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robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:54 am
The current rumors are still the same. Knicks are trying to trade up. They are willing to part with both firsts. Their supposed targets are Davion Mitchell or Chris Duarte. I feel like a lot of rumors are started with agents using the Knicks as pawns because they have both draft picks and cap space so take a lot of these rumors with a grain of salt. Last year nobody saw the moves coming with respect to trades or us picking Quickley. So, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
Glad draft day is here...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 10:01 am : link
i hit draft talk fatigue like 2 weeks ago, ha. Im with most in that i dont love the idea of trading 19-21 to move up 8 spots or whatever. Just doesnt seem like the quality of player you get at 12-14 is all that different then 19-21 so might as well take two shots at getting a good player.
I hope somehow they come away with Mcbride  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:04 am : link
I really like his game and could be a great fit with Thibs..

I expect a very active draft tonight especially with free agency a couple of days later, teams are going to try and set up their cap
Kevin Oconnor says  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:12 am : link
Knicks involved in trade talks for Terrence ross
RE: Kevin Oconnor says  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15316187 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks involved in trade talks for Terrence ross


not exciting. good defender, but seems to get undue credit for being a good shooter when in fact the numbers aren't very good.
RE: Glad draft day is here...  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 10:17 am : link
In comment 15316170 Italianju said:
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i hit draft talk fatigue like 2 weeks ago, ha. Im with most in that i dont love the idea of trading 19-21 to move up 8 spots or whatever. Just doesnt seem like the quality of player you get at 12-14 is all that different then 19-21 so might as well take two shots at getting a good player.


Agreed.
Agreed  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 10:20 am : link
Unless someone with huge upside like kuminga falls, then make your 3 picks and hope that you hit big on 1 of 3
It would be a pleasant and new experience if the Knicks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2021 10:22 am : link
had an excess of promising young players on the bench.

If that's the punishment for not trading up for a wild swing at one guy, sign me up.
I would think the top pick in the second round would be good enough to  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:31 am : link
package with one of our first round picks to move up.

Duarte would be great at 19 or 21, but I wouldn't trade up for him. His ceiling is capped. If I'm trading up, I'm targeting Davion Mitchell.
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widmerseyebrow : 7/29/2021 10:32 am : link
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RE: Glad draft day is here...  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15316170 Italianju said:
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i hit draft talk fatigue like 2 weeks ago, ha. Im with most in that i dont love the idea of trading 19-21 to move up 8 spots or whatever. Just doesnt seem like the quality of player you get at 12-14 is all that different then 19-21 so might as well take two shots at getting a good player.

If they do it, it sounds like it's going to take more than that. This is what Chad Ford wrote:

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Several sources told me on Wednesday that the Knicks are aggressively trying to move up into the lottery. Duarte or Mitchell would be the target, if available. For potential trade partners, look to Charlotte, San Antonio and Indiana. The problem is, it probably will cost more than the 19th and 21st picks to get into the lottery, and Duarte and Mitchell appear to be gone before pick 19.

Would the Knicks offer Mitchell Robinson to Charlotte for No. 11 or to San Antonio for No. 12? Or Obi Toppin to the Pacers? A young player plus the No. 19 and No. 21 picks would be the likely cost to get up that high in the draft.


Gonna be a hard no from me unless it's one of those guys straight up.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:58 am : link
like Duarte but 2 1sts? Hell no.
unless we're executing  
Enzo : 7/29/2021 11:01 am : link
some sort of trade to get into the top half of the lottery, I'd rather just keep the picks and take 3 bites at the apple.
RE: I  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15316232 DanMetroMan said:
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like Duarte but 2 1sts? Hell no.


Exactly. I’d even consider trying to trade one of the picks for a first next season if I don’t like the wings/points available by pick 19. I think they need a big and some good ones will be available.
RE: unless we're executing  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 11:08 am : link
In comment 15316235 Enzo said:
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some sort of trade to get into the top half of the lottery, I'd rather just keep the picks and take 3 bites at the apple.


Same. Sure, if somebody starts tumbling that you're shocked is there maybe you package something but I fail to see how a Duarte is worth 2 mildly "high" picks in 19 and 21.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 11:10 am : link
Alex Kennedy
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The Utah Jazz are making Joe Ingles and Bojan Bogdanovic available in trade talks, according to @JakeLFischer
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nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:11 am : link
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The Indiana Pacers are 'juggling trade talks' involving Myles Turner, T.J. Warren, and the No. 13 pick in separate deals, per
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I like Duarte  
BigBlueFootball44 : 7/29/2021 11:22 am : link
but I have a hard time believing that a guy who just turned 24 has got a bunch of teams trading into the top 14 to get him.
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:24 am : link
do Mitch + for Turner and 13.
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nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:26 am : link
Steve Popper
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Hearing Knicks interested in deal for Orlando wing Terrance Ross - likely would be sending a draft pick to rebuilding Orlando. Reasonable contract, solid scorer. Not only team in talks about Ross. I think
@IanBegley
mentioned possibility first
Talent-wise on Duarte  
BigBlueFootball44 : 7/29/2021 11:26 am : link
he belongs in the lottery...but 24 is just not young for a lottery pick. Teams looking to strike gold in the lottery typically don't draft a guy with limited growth opportunity
Wasserman has heard Orlando likes Ziaire Williams at #8.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:30 am : link
If they go that route the tank is fully revved up for next year, regardless of what they do at #5.
The  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:30 am : link
Knicks appear desperate to trade up, which unfortunately increases the likelihood that they will overpay to do so.
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nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:32 am : link

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Should be a fun draft.  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 11:34 am : link
I think if the Knicks stay put some good prospects are going to drop in our laps. There are always a couple lottery projected players that slip down.
Just don't see how we add 3 rookies to this team
Dont really get Ross all that much.....  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 11:35 am : link
i guess he is your bullock replacement. Better overall player but worse 3pt shooter. So not sure its the best fit. Also its up 12 mill in capspace next year. 12 mill these days is bench player so its not like he is overpaid,, but we could need that 12 mill so not sure id lock it into a 30 year old backup wing.
RE: Dont really get Ross all that much.....  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15316283 Italianju said:
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i guess he is your bullock replacement. Better overall player but worse 3pt shooter. So not sure its the best fit. Also its up 12 mill in capspace next year. 12 mill these days is bench player so its not like he is overpaid,, but we could need that 12 mill so not sure id lock it into a 30 year old backup wing.


it deoends whats in the trade, if Knox is in the deal only eats up 7 million of their cap space plus cap hold for draft pick traded
That draft pick for Terrence Ross  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 11:38 am : link
Better be #58. If they do make a trade like this then it certainly signals they are saving caproom for next year and don’t want to give bullock or Burks multi year deals. I actually don’t mind it
RE: ..  
Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15316268 nygiants16 said:
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Steve Popper
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Hearing Knicks interested in deal for Orlando wing Terrance Ross - likely would be sending a draft pick to rebuilding Orlando. Reasonable contract, solid scorer. Not only team in talks about Ross. I think
@IanBegley
mentioned possibility first


This would be a smart move.
RE: That draft pick for Terrence Ross  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15316292 GMEN46 said:
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Better be #58. If they do make a trade like this then it certainly signals they are saving caproom for next year and don’t want to give bullock or Burks multi year deals. I actually don’t mind it


I could see Knox and 21 for Ross and 33, then package 32 and 33 to move back into the first
Ross is owed...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 11:40 am : link
12 mill next year. Doubt burks or bullock would eat up that much in 22 space. As for Knox couldnt we just not offer him the QO and he costs us nothing next year? Id rather sign burks for one year 15 mill then give up some asset for Ross and pay him 2/24.
Ross would probably be more of a Burks replacement than  
Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 11:44 am : link
a Bullock replacement. He'd offer a much needed scoring option. He'd be easy to move with his contract, too. Not a problem if the Knicks end up star hunting.
cant wait  
djm : 7/29/2021 12:02 pm : link
I aint leaving the house tonight. Friends wanted to hit the bar for a few so I said last night or bust. Leave me alone tonight, lol. Wife and kid are down the shore. Just me and the dog.

I wonder if the Knicks are waiting to see how tonight goes before committing to other channels, via vet trades. Should be interesting. Wish I was a fly on the wall in the MSG offices right about now. No other of my teams fascinates me more right now in regards to personnel decisions and off-season decisions than the Knicks. So many moving parts.
Bojan Bogdanovic  
djm : 7/29/2021 12:12 pm : link
signed for pretty big but not HUGE money this year and next, hits FA in 2023. He's not ancient. He can shoot and score--17PPG last year, 39.0 from 3pt %. Decent defender. Maybe a trade target?
It probably would be at least  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 12:13 pm : link
#19, #32 and Mitch for Turner. You won’t get #13.
Correct me if I’m wrong  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 12:19 pm : link
Ross averaged like 25 pts a game in the two against the Knicks this year.
Mitchell at 6ft  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 12:20 pm : link
Scares me in this modern NBA.
RE: It probably would be at least  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15316359 Carl in CT said:
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#19, #32 and Mitch for Turner. You won’t get #13.


Well that's a lot steeper than I would have hoped, but I love Turner's game. Elite shot blocker and not a total black hole offensively. Opens up room for Randle to operate.
I'm Meh on  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 12:26 pm : link
Ross, he's basically just as good as Alec Burks, who I'm sure we could just re-sign on a 1 year 13 mil deal so I'm very much not interested in trading anything of value for him.
RE: The  
djm : 7/29/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15316275 AcidTest said:
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Knicks appear desperate to trade up, which unfortunately increases the likelihood that they will overpay to do so.


Ok...really?

The leaps of negativity some take...

Some of the best moves in NBA history involved a so called overpaying trade up. Let it play out first.

I still think we need quality more than quantity and even if we were short a few ditch diggers, those guys are easy to find. You want star power or difference makers I think you're more likely to get that guy with one high pick vs 2-3 lower picks, especially when you're convinced that one player can be had with that one higher pick. Knicks should trust their convictions, they aren't a bad scouting franchise by any means.
Latest from Begley  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 1:36 pm : link
Not much that's new on the draft front. Says they've spoken to the Wizards about 15.

As far as other moves go, doesn't sound like he's expecting them to do anything big this offseason. Says they're hesitant to commit a lot of money beyond next season to maintain flexibility for FA next year. More likely is bigger one year or two year deals (the latter doesn't make much sense with everything else he was saying).
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If they trade up and hit on the pick,  
81_Great_Dane : 7/29/2021 1:49 pm : link
nothing they give up is really an "overpay." if they miss on the pick, anything they give up is an overpay.
RE: Latest from Begley  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15316493 Strahan91 said:
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Not much that's new on the draft front. Says they've spoken to the Wizards about 15.

As far as other moves go, doesn't sound like he's expecting them to do anything big this offseason. Says they're hesitant to commit a lot of money beyond next season to maintain flexibility for FA next year. More likely is bigger one year or two year deals (the latter doesn't make much sense with everything else he was saying). Link - ( New Window )


He may mean a 1 + 1 for a 2 year deal.
RE: RE: The  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15316389 djm said:
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In comment 15316275 AcidTest said:


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Knicks appear desperate to trade up, which unfortunately increases the likelihood that they will overpay to do so.



Ok...really?

The leaps of negativity some take...

Some of the best moves in NBA history involved a so called overpaying trade up. Let it play out first.

I still think we need quality more than quantity and even if we were short a few ditch diggers, those guys are easy to find. You want star power or difference makers I think you're more likely to get that guy with one high pick vs 2-3 lower picks, especially when you're convinced that one player can be had with that one higher pick. Knicks should trust their convictions, they aren't a bad scouting franchise by any means.


Overpaying in almost any context is a bad idea. It's pretty clear that the Knicks have offered both 19 and 21 to move up, but that has not been enough. They will have to add a decent player (Obi?) to do so. That in my view is an overpay and therefore a mistake.
RE: RE: RE: The  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15316553 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15316389 djm said:


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In comment 15316275 AcidTest said:


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Knicks appear desperate to trade up, which unfortunately increases the likelihood that they will overpay to do so.



Ok...really?

The leaps of negativity some take...

Some of the best moves in NBA history involved a so called overpaying trade up. Let it play out first.

I still think we need quality more than quantity and even if we were short a few ditch diggers, those guys are easy to find. You want star power or difference makers I think you're more likely to get that guy with one high pick vs 2-3 lower picks, especially when you're convinced that one player can be had with that one higher pick. Knicks should trust their convictions, they aren't a bad scouting franchise by any means.



Overpaying in almost any context is a bad idea. It's pretty clear that the Knicks have offered both 19 and 21 to move up, but that has not been enough. They will have to add a decent player (Obi?) to do so. That in my view is an overpay and therefore a mistake.


Obi is a decent player now?
RE: If they trade up and hit on the pick,  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15316526 81_Great_Dane said:
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nothing they give up is really an "overpay." if they miss on the pick, anything they give up is an overpay.

So true. In hindsight they could've traded 3 or 4 first round picks to move up from 8 to 7 in 2009 and it would've been highway robbery. At the time everyone and their mother would be ridiculing them for overpaying to move up 1 slot.
its chad ford say take fwiw  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 2:25 pm : link
Evan Massey Retweeted
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#Pacers are looking to deal.

"The Pacers were making progress on several fronts toward a deal that would have them trade down or out of the draft, but any deal is more likely to occur during the draft. Knicks, Thunder and a mystery team are in the mix."

(via
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Thunder figured to be a pain in the neck.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 3:09 pm : link
They have two picks just ahead of us (in addition to sixth overall).
On the jump Woj says that both the Knicks and Thunder  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 3:14 pm : link
have been very active on many fronts (no surprise there). Also said that Indiana is open to moving 13 for a young player and a pick.
Would hate a trade up for Duarte  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 3:25 pm : link
Honestly Duarte could fall to #32 for christ sakes. Davion Mitchell I’d absolutely love.

At our current spot Would love Tre Mann though too. Or Sharife Cooper. Cooper just needs a jumper and he had star potential. 80% FT shooter so the shot is in there. He’s an all star playmaker though for sure— electric as hell in that regard. Max K made a good point earlier today that we’ve actually seen so many guys come into the league and of all things we’ve seen they can improve shooting moreso than almost anything else, which is surprising.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 3:26 pm : link
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I’ve been saying for the past week that if Kuminga were available at 8, I believe the Magic would take him.

However, I keep hearing that both Ziaire Williams and Moses Moody are very much in play at 8 -- even if Kuminga is on the board.
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The Magic aren’t afraid to be different, and I think Ziaire Williams is gaining traction there.
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With just a few hours to go, the Pacers were in talks with three teams about moving down in a deal that would net them picks later in the first round plus players.
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Replying to
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The Knicks and the Thunder are believed to be in the mix for the Pacers pick, and I’m told the teams were “making progress” but didn’t expect anything to be done before the draft.
Was  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 3:27 pm : link
told off the record, the Knicks have "shopped" Mitch
RE: Was  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15316638 DanMetroMan said:
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told off the record, the Knicks have "shopped" Mitch


wouldnt surprise me
I’m kinda tired of Mitch, too  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 3:30 pm : link
and the contract issue is looming.
It’s a deeper draft then we’ve had in a long time  
Svengali : 7/29/2021 3:30 pm : link
I wouldn’t mind staying at 19 and 21 and taking some tall rangy shooters. There are some out there and we have the pieces in place to plug and play with those type selections. We can get a tall shot blocker in the second to spell Mitchell when he’s banged up.
I forgot  
Enzo : 7/29/2021 3:36 pm : link
all about Chad Ford. He was one of espn's original draft "gurus" and was insufferable way back when. It's funny how some of these "experts/insiders" end up sorta falling into the background. Is Chris Broussard still around? David Thorpe? Chris Sheridan? Bucher?
RE: I forgot  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15316652 Enzo said:
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all about Chad Ford. He was one of espn's original draft "gurus" and was insufferable way back when. It's funny how some of these "experts/insiders" end up sorta falling into the background. Is Chris Broussard still around? David Thorpe? Chris Sheridan? Bucher?


Broussard and Bucher are with fs1

sheridan i think started his own site
RE: Was  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15316638 DanMetroMan said:
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told off the record, the Knicks have "shopped" Mitch


It makes sense. They’re not going to re-sign him anytime soon and might as well see if someone knocks you over for him. I don’t think it even means they’re totally against re-signing him at a later point.
RE: Would hate a trade up for Duarte  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15316635 Leg of Theismann said:
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Honestly Duarte could fall to #32 for christ sakes. Davion Mitchell I’d absolutely love.

At our current spot Would love Tre Mann though too. Or Sharife Cooper. Cooper just needs a jumper and he had star potential. 80% FT shooter so the shot is in there. He’s an all star playmaker though for sure— electric as hell in that regard. Max K made a good point earlier today that we’ve actually seen so many guys come into the league and of all things we’ve seen they can improve shooting moreso than almost anything else, which is surprising.

I like Cooper too but it's not just a matter of him improving his shooting mechanics. Given his size, it's always going to be difficult for him to find shots that aren't heavily contested.
Duarte  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 3:45 pm : link
definitely seems like a worthwhile role player, and seems like an absolute pain in the ass to play against.

But the upside is limited and at that age, I'd really hate to see them trade both picks to get into range for that type of piece.
Excited to see what happens tonight. Gonna be fun.  
Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 3:58 pm : link
Let's go Knicks!
ive been fine with trading mitch for awhile...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 4:13 pm : link
i mean dont give him away, but if you can get a descent return im all for it. He has not improved that much and will def be overpaid. Thing is Mitch and 21 seems like too much for 13 to and Mitch plus both our seconds for 13 seems like too little, lol.
Michael Scotto says  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 4:14 pm : link
Knicks have talked to magic about ross and also about the 8th pick but Magic so far unwilling to trade it..

Also have talkrd to Spurs about 12
If Orlando likes Ziaire Williams that much  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 4:28 pm : link
they almost have to trade down. He's 99 percent certain to be there at #19, and you could get an extra first rounder from the Knicks - or make the exact same deal with OKC involving #16/#18.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 4:32 pm : link
Keith Pompey
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Warriors reject #Sixers’ steep asking price, walk away from Ben Simmons trade centered on Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman and four first-rounders
RE: .  
Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15316707 DanMetroMan said:
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Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
Warriors reject #Sixers’ steep asking price, walk away from Ben Simmons trade centered on Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman and four first-rounders


haha, if that's the price, you definitely let Morey hold onto that dysfunction right up until camp starts. They'll have to move off that price by then.
Warriors are one of the few good fits...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 4:41 pm : link
for simmons. Him and Green would be a pain on D and his lack of shooting hurts a bit less with Curry/Klay.

Honestly i dont think that ask is that absurd. Sure the 4 firsts is a bit much, but if its 2 firsts? I think thats a fair deal. I mean wisemen wasnt overly impressive so who knows what he is and Wiggins is basically there to match salary.
RE: Warriors are one of the few good fits...  
Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15316719 Italianju said:
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for simmons. Him and Green would be a pain on D and his lack of shooting hurts a bit less with Curry/Klay.

Honestly i dont think that ask is that absurd. Sure the 4 firsts is a bit much, but if its 2 firsts? I think thats a fair deal. I mean wisemen wasnt overly impressive so who knows what he is and Wiggins is basically there to match salary.


It normally would be a fair price. But the Sixers have let that become so toxic that Simmons is worth pennies on the dollar now. They can't run it back and everyone knows it.
thats true...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 4:46 pm : link
but i think that already is pennies on the dollar. Like if Simmons doesnt implode the end of last year you arent getting close to him for that offer. Again i think 4 firsts is to much. Im offereing Wiggins, Wiseman, and 2 firsts. Id consider a 3rd first in like 2025 or whenever they can include the first, but id want descent protection.
RE: thats true...  
BigBlueShock : 7/29/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15316727 Italianju said:
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but i think that already is pennies on the dollar. Like if Simmons doesnt implode the end of last year you arent getting close to him for that offer. Again i think 4 firsts is to much. Im offereing Wiggins, Wiseman, and 2 firsts. Id consider a 3rd first in like 2025 or whenever they can include the first, but id want descent protection.

Did he implode or was he simply exposed? He’s a dreadful perimeter shooter and a dreadful free throw shooter. His unwillingness to shoot the 3 has been a constant knock on him. It shouldn’t be a surprise that he took that mentality a step further and all but refused to shoot free throws. He may have taken his issues to the next level during the playoffs, but this is who he’s always been. It just gets masked during the regular season when far fewer eyes are watching and evaluating his every move
Kuzma  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:07 pm : link
and Harrell headed to Sacramento for Hield
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:09 pm : link
Marc Berman
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Knicks a little concerned wings Ziaire Williams/Trey Murphy may not fall to 19. They'd take either. With no trade up, may have to settle for another Kentucky big, Isaiah Jackson. No indication Auburn PG Shariffe Cooper is being considered at 19/21.

Sorry- the Hield trade is a Woj bomb.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:10 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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Brooklyn has traded guard Landry Shamet to Phoenix for Jevon Carter and the 29th pick in tonight's draft, sources tell ESPN.
RE: Kuzma  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15316758 DanMetroMan said:
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and Harrell headed to Sacramento for Hield


wasnt the 22nd pick rumored to be in that as well?
RE: RE: Kuzma  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15316765 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15316758 DanMetroMan said:


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and Harrell headed to Sacramento for Hield



wasnt the 22nd pick rumored to be in that as well?


If it's part of the deal he hasn't mentioned it yet
I'd be fine with trading Mitch  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2021 5:13 pm : link
He's injury prone and is the exact same player today that he was when he entered the league. The only real improvement has been committing fewer fouls. He's not a bad player but he's looking like he'll always be a fairly limited player.
harrell has a PO right...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:15 pm : link
doubt he wants to play for the kings, especially on the cheap deal he signed with the Lakers.
I think this is so dumb for LA  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:17 pm : link
and i say that as more of a fan then Russ then most. He needs the ball though, so now AD/LEbron have the ball less????

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Just in: The Lakers and Wizards are engaged on a trade that would send Russell Westbrook to L.A., sources tell
@TheAthletic @Stadium
. Westbrook wants a move elsewhere and the Lakers are his preferred destination, sources said.
RE: harrell has a PO right...  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15316770 Italianju said:
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doubt he wants to play for the kings, especially on the cheap deal he signed with the Lakers.


he has already opted in
so if westbrook is traded  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 5:18 pm : link
does beal ask out?
yeah i just saw that....  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:19 pm : link
they had to wait for his opt in to complete the deal. Surprised he was willing to opt in knowing he was going to the Kings. Its one thing to play for less then market value for the Lakers, but 1 year 9 mill to play for the Kings? He could easily have beat that in free agency. Maybe lebron promised him a role in Space Jam 3
i mean if Kuzma is going to the kings..  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:21 pm : link
what could the wiz be getting. I get that Russ's contract is awful, but if your the wiz you have to get something back. Russ still is a good NBA player who puts butts in seats. Trading him for KCP makes no sense. I mean it gives them capspace but who is signing in WAS? Especially knowing that Beal might be gone in a year.
Also i dont think Kuzma is any good..  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:21 pm : link
but he was at least a name the wiz could be getting back, lol.
Shams-  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:23 pm : link
Westbrook to Lakers heating up
RE: i mean if Kuzma is going to the kings..  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15316781 Italianju said:
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what could the wiz be getting. I get that Russ's contract is awful, but if your the wiz you have to get something back. Russ still is a good NBA player who puts butts in seats. Trading him for KCP makes no sense. I mean it gives them capspace but who is signing in WAS? Especially knowing that Beal might be gone in a year.


No apparently kings deal is dead
yeah shams said...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:25 pm : link

Shams Charania
The Lakers and Wizards are discussing a trade that would send Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope for Westbrook, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. The Lakers' No. 22 pick in the Draft could be in play, too. twitter.com/ShamsCharania/…
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:25 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lakers and Wizards are in serious talks on a Russell Westbrook trade to L.A., sources tell @TheAthletic
@Stadium
. Westbrook has become the Lakers‘ primary focus. He would give them a dynamic playmaker alongside LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:26 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
10s
The Lakers are near a deal to acquire Washington's Russell Westbrook for Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and a 2021 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.
if the wiz get 22 thats not a bad return for Russ..  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:26 pm : link
i mean his contract is awful and only a couple teams would even entertain trading for. Getting a first, Kuzma and Harrell isnt bad.
Lakers trade more garbage for an All-Star.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 5:27 pm : link
Nice work.
I hate the fit  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 5:31 pm : link
Russ is obviously the bigger name but I thought Hield was a better fit for them. Russ dominating the ball means the ball isn’t in Lebron’s hands which makes them a worse team
Melo probably headed to LAL now.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 5:31 pm : link
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RE: if the wiz get 22 thats not a bad return for Russ..  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15316789 Italianju said:
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i mean his contract is awful and only a couple teams would even entertain trading for. Getting a first, Kuzma and Harrell isnt bad.

I agree. A year ago no one wanted him. It took the Rockets taking back Wall’s contract to get the deal done
They obviously just wanted Russ off of the team.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 5:37 pm : link
I think the return was about salaries. They would’ve taken almost whatever to make it happen.
Beal  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:48 pm : link
is staying with the Wizards per Marcus Thompson
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:51 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
1m
TRADE: The Cleveland Cavaliers are acquiring Minnesota Timberwolves G Ricky Rubio, a 2022 second-round pick and cash for F Taurean Prince, sources tell ESPN.
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15316818 DanMetroMan said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
1m
TRADE: The Cleveland Cavaliers are acquiring Minnesota Timberwolves G Ricky Rubio, a 2022 second-round pick and cash for F Taurean Prince, sources tell ESPN.


Open up a sexton trade?
Send us Sexton, thanks.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 5:53 pm : link
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RE: I hate the fit  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15316793 Strahan91 said:
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Russ is obviously the bigger name but I thought Hield was a better fit for them. Russ dominating the ball means the ball isn’t in Lebron’s hands which makes them a worse team


I honestly think Hield is untradable. He looked absolutely awful this year. Even considering he was on a bad team, he looked bad. He’s signed l think for another 3 years at $20M+ per year. He complained ad nauseam when he got his 4 yr /90M deal, repeatedly said he felt disrespected and then went on to relatively suck ass. Part of me wonders if the money made him relax? Either way I was thinking about it the other day and wasn’t sure if I’d take the Kings pick (I.e. move up 10 spots) In exchange for Buddy Hield. That contract could set us back. Not saying that’s on the table just saying that’s honestly how much I feel his contract/ability combo at this point is just toxic. Just my opinion.
Does seem to open the door...  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 5:55 pm : link
for them to move sexton. Although Rubio could also just be a backup they think fits better then prince.
RE: RE: I hate the fit  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15316827 Leg of Theismann said:
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I honestly think Hield is untradable. He looked absolutely awful this year. Even considering he was on a bad team, he looked bad. He’s signed l think for another 3 years at $20M+ per year. He complained ad nauseam when he got his 4 yr /90M deal, repeatedly said he felt disrespected and then went on to relatively suck ass. Part of me wonders if the money made him relax? Either way I was thinking about it the other day and wasn’t sure if I’d take the Kings pick (I.e. move up 10 spots) In exchange for Buddy Hield. That contract could set us back. Not saying that’s on the table just saying that’s honestly how much I feel his contract/ability combo at this point is just toxic. Just my opinion.

Lebron always gets the best out of guys like that. In that situation, his attitude/work ethic wouldn't scare me one bit.
Whatever trade NYK make if at all tonight...  
jnoble : 7/29/2021 6:06 pm : link
I hope it includes Knox. Dude needs a fresh start somewhere else to warm another team's bench
..  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 7:09 pm : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Knicks are silent - but lot of folks around the league saying they're hearing from them ("Why, hello Wes..."). MSG is airing a draft night special at 10 p.m. where they will focus on ... Sexton? Duarte? Various Kentucky players?
RE: RE: RE: I hate the fit  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15316834 Strahan91 said:
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Lebron always gets the best out of guys like that. In that situation, his attitude/work ethic wouldn't scare me one bit.


That's true he does-- and I'm sure he wouldn't have an issue with motivation in a situation like LA.

That said, I really don't mind the fit with Russ in LA. I think the same things were said about Kyrie, Harden, and KD all possibly having issues with sharing the ball. I think guys at that level of greatness just end up figuring it out.

Not to mention it's doubtful AD and Lebron play a full 82 games next year, so you need a guy who's capable of being a #1 option when one or both of those guys are out (otherwise they could wind up back in a play-in spot).

I also may be biased in general because I personally think all the stuff about Westbrook being a ball hog, bad teammate, "not a winner", etc. is overblown. Getting the record for triple-doubles also includes 10+ assists, which has to include passing the ball and guys actually making shots, which usually means you're doing something right to make your teammates succeed. Also he's always a guy to constantly push the pace which is an aspect that helps AD's game a lot.
RE: ..  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15316905 nygiants16 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Knicks are silent - but lot of folks around the league saying they're hearing from them ("Why, hello Wes..."). MSG is airing a draft night special at 10 p.m. where they will focus on ... Sexton? Duarte? Various Kentucky players?


Huh? They do an MSG Knicks Draft Special every year
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 7:38 pm : link
LBJ, AD, & now Russ...well, LAL will be interesting.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 7:39 pm : link
I know Cade is going # 1, but gun to head-best pro in this draft-I'm going Mobley.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I hate the fit  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15316906 Leg of Theismann said:
Quote:

Lebron always gets the best out of guys like that. In that situation, his attitude/work ethic wouldn't scare me one bit.



That's true he does-- and I'm sure he wouldn't have an issue with motivation in a situation like LA.

That said, I really don't mind the fit with Russ in LA. I think the same things were said about Kyrie, Harden, and KD all possibly having issues with sharing the ball. I think guys at that level of greatness just end up figuring it out.

Not to mention it's doubtful AD and Lebron play a full 82 games next year, so you need a guy who's capable of being a #1 option when one or both of those guys are out (otherwise they could wind up back in a play-in spot).

I also may be biased in general because I personally think all the stuff about Westbrook being a ball hog, bad teammate, "not a winner", etc. is overblown. Getting the record for triple-doubles also includes 10+ assists, which has to include passing the ball and guys actually making shots, which usually means you're doing something right to make your teammates succeed. Also he's always a guy to constantly push the pace which is an aspect that helps AD's game a lot.

I agree on the load management regular season stuff but I'm thinking more about the playoffs. There's a big difference with the Nets big 3 -- they can all shoot the hell out of the ball. Westbrook can't. That's the biggest issue since the Lakers biggest issue this past season was floor spacing. They just further weakened their big glaring weakness.
It's  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 8:03 pm : link
8:02 and the NBA draft has started. Goodell and the NFL should take notice.
RE: It's  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15316932 AcidTest said:
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8:02 and the NBA draft has started. Goodell and the NFL should take notice.


Haha. Yes, for the love of God, us East Coasters fucking matter.
RE: RE: It's  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15316935 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15316932 AcidTest said:


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8:02 and the NBA draft has started. Goodell and the NFL should take notice.



Haha. Yes, for the love of God, us East Coasters fucking matter.


you will be alright haha
Westbrook to Lakers is done  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:17 pm : link
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RE: Westbrook to Lakers is done  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15316937 nygiants16 said:
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Stupid from Lakers perspective IMO.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 8:19 pm : link
Cleveland...take Mobley. JFC.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 8:20 pm : link
If Cavs pass on Mobley, Altman should be fired on the spot.
Weird trade for both Wiz and Lakers...  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 8:21 pm : link
Takes the ball out of LBJ's hands. And Wiz... what are they doing with Beal? They want to keep him but they're trading for the Lakers spare parts?

I dunno.
Raptors take Barnes.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 8:26 pm : link
Wow.
Pacers just acquired the 31st pick  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:26 pm : link
for a couple of 2nds and future 2nds
Oh wow  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:26 pm : link
Now there's a surprise
....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 8:28 pm : link
Magic better grab Suggs.
Orlando if they want  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:28 pm : link
can get the steal of the draft
Magic  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 8:29 pm : link
better take Suggs.
I love Woj.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/29/2021 8:29 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
1m
With Scottie Barnes off the board, Orlando has Jalen Suggs on top of its draft board at No. 5, sources tell ESPN.
Nice break for Orlando.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 8:29 pm : link
They have #8 too.
With Barnes in the fold  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 8:32 pm : link
one has to think Siakim will be on the move sooner rather than later
I'm sorry, but how did Kendrick Perkins get this job?  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:37 pm : link
Put Jalen Rose on this broadcast
RE: I'm sorry, but how did Kendrick Perkins get this job?  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15316963 Anakim said:
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Put Jalen Rose on this broadcast


he is on abc
wow shocker with 6  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:38 pm : link
..
Oh wow  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:39 pm : link
Giddey went HIIIIIIIIIIIIGH
RE: RE: I'm sorry, but how did Kendrick Perkins get this job?  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15316965 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15316963 Anakim said:


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Put Jalen Rose on this broadcast



he is on abc


Yeah, I don't know why. Put Rose on ESPN. Why do I have to listen to Kendrick Perkins butcher this shit?
Wow, Giddey.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 8:41 pm : link
Wasserman said Giddey’s camp guaranteed a top 10 pick and he (Wasserman) didn’t believe them.
OKC loves their projects  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:41 pm : link
..
Masai Ujiri with an asinine pick.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 8:42 pm : link
For all his success with picks in the twenties and the second round, his three highest selections with Toronto have sucked.
SGA can’t be happy.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 8:49 pm : link
Giddey? Poku? He’s got nothing to work with there.
Wagner to ORL.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 8:50 pm : link
Suggs and Wagner, nice. There’s one random Magic fan on this board who must be happy.
So Bouknight is slipping a bit  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:51 pm : link
.
BTW, I love how fast this is going  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:53 pm : link
We're already on Pick 9. If this was the NFL Draft, we'd be on Pick 3.
Hmmmm  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 8:57 pm : link
But why? They have De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton...


Trade?
RE: Hmmmm  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15316988 Anakim said:
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But why? They have De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton...


Trade?


Yep have to think there is a trade brewing
RE: Hmmmm  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15316988 Anakim said:
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But why? They have De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton...


Trade?

Yeah that strikes me as a pick for someone else
RE: Hmmmm  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15316988 Anakim said:
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But why? They have De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton...


Trade?


Makes no sense
Bouknight falling  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:01 pm : link
..
Damn dude  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:02 pm : link
Bouk is falllllllllin'
Ziaire, wow.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:02 pm : link
Let’s go get Bouknight!
Night  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 9:03 pm : link
Plays too hard and gets injured. That’s his problem.
Ziaire there feels like  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 9:04 pm : link
a reach.
RE: Ziaire, wow.  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15316999 bceagle05 said:
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Let’s go get Bouknight!



Turkish big is also intriguing
Knicks are in decent position  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:05 pm : link
Bouknight, Kispert, Duarte, Trey Murphy III, Kai Jones and Moses Moody are all available. Gotta think one of those guys will fall to 19.


But do they want to trade up for Bouknight?
Had a pipe dream Mitchell  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 9:07 pm : link
Would make it to Orange and Blue.

Fox can play two and Halliburton can play 3.
RE: Ziaire there feels like  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15317003 Jan in DC said:
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a reach.


It’s tough because his college situation was a complete disaster. He’s got a lot of tools. We’ll see if it works out.
Boukknight looks annoyed  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:11 pm : link
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The way the draft is falling right now  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:14 pm : link
i almost rather Knicks just wait and dont trade up
Cha  
31southst : 7/29/2021 9:14 pm : link
Davonte Graham FA target now?
RE: The way the draft is falling right now  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15317013 nygiants16 said:
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i almost rather Knicks just wait and dont trade up


100%.
RE: The way the draft is falling right now  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15317013 nygiants16 said:
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i almost rather Knicks just wait and dont trade up
\

Same. We're in good position
WTF??  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:16 pm : link
i dont know if we doing spoilers but what??
Let me ask you this:  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:16 pm : link
As high as the Knicks seem to be on Duarte, would they take Kispert over Duarte? Kispert is younger and a better shooter.
Damn!  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
I wanted Josh Primo for the Knicks at the top of Round 2. Haha
Wow.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
Wow. Send us Murray, thanks.
Primo????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
This draft is WILD!!!!
Primo!  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
Wow.
RE: Let me ask you this:  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15317022 Anakim said:
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As high as the Knicks seem to be on Duarte, would they take Kispert over Duarte? Kispert is younger and a better shooter.


at this point dont even bother trading up..

Whoever is there you take the best available
At this point  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 9:19 pm : link
it feels like you're going to be able to get a couple good players at 19 and 21.

I don't know about trading up.
Primo wasn’t even at the draft!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:19 pm : link
Duarte to Indy.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:19 pm : link
Is that a pick for us? I hope we stay put.
RE: Primo wasn’t even at the draft!  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15317031 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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It's definitely a reach, but he has a TON of potential. He's the youngest kid in the Draft.
Hey, Knicks...  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:21 pm : link
You definitely dont trade up at this point  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:21 pm : link
unless you can move up from 19 without giving up 21, which i highly doubt
RE: Duarte to Indy.  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15317032 bceagle05 said:
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Is that a pick for us? I hope we stay put.


Hope not. I'd rather have Moody, Kispert and Trey Murphy III over Duarte
RE: Duarte to Indy.  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15317032 bceagle05 said:
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Is that a pick for us? I hope we stay put.


Me too. Lot of interesting players falling.
Some Knick fans  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 9:21 pm : link
Not happy here
This is why  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 9:21 pm : link
Packaging 19 and 21 to get to early teens was a dumb idea. It’s all tremendously fluid
I agree, get your wing at #19  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:22 pm : link
and let Thibs have McBride at #21.
Usman Garuba has looked REALLY good at the Olympics  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:22 pm : link
RE: RE: Duarte to Indy.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15317036 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317032 bceagle05 said:


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Is that a pick for us? I hope we stay put.



Hope not. I'd rather have Moody, Kispert and Trey Murphy III over Duarte


I really like what I have seen from Murphy. Guys that shoot like him aren't available at 19.
RE: Some Knick fans  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15317038 Carl in CT said:
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Not happy here


What? Where?
RE: Some Knick fans  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15317038 Carl in CT said:
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Not happy here

Don’t be coy, now.
Okay, good  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:24 pm : link
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman

Knicks didn’t offer Indiana quite enough to move up to 13. Pacers taking Oregon swingman Chris Duarte. Been writing about Duarte for more than a month. Primo pick for San Antonio could help a wing they like fall to 19.
I liked Duarte, but people have gone overboard with him.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:24 pm : link
His numbers were rather poor last season and this year he’s 24 years old playing against teenagers.
Murphy, Moody, Kispert, or Turkish big  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 9:25 pm : link
Interest me at 19
Moody to GS.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:26 pm : link
Don’t forget the Kentucky big too. Can’t rule it out.
I'm still a Springer fan but I don't think the Knicks are interested  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:27 pm : link
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Well, Woj just spoiled the pick on national TV  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:27 pm : link
Alright. We're in good position. Hoping for Kispert or Murphy for the Knicks
Jesus Christ, get Kendrick Perkins off the broadcast  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:29 pm : link
.
Perkins just sounded like  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 9:29 pm : link
he was stroking out.
Was hoping he would drop to 19  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 9:30 pm : link
The Wizards are selecting Corey Kispert at No. 15, per a source
BC  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 9:31 pm : link
WTF? We almost got him trust me. Last one on the phone. Fuck it I won’t tell you guys shit again.
Geez, that’s depressing.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:32 pm : link
What an awful story. RIP kid.
RE: BC  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15317061 Carl in CT said:
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WTF? We almost got him trust me. Last one on the phone. Fuck it I won’t tell you guys shit again.


almost got who?
RE: BC  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15317061 Carl in CT said:
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WTF? We almost got him trust me. Last one on the phone. Fuck it I won’t tell you guys shit again.

Huh? I was obviously joking. Your post was a little cryptic - I still don’t know what or who you were referencing.
Duarte  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 9:34 pm : link
.!
I had no idea the draft was also on ABC  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 9:35 pm : link
Lol think I’m gonna switch over to ABC.
Ah, thanks.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:36 pm : link
Sorry for the misunderstanding - I appreciate all your info.
BC  
Carl in CT : 7/29/2021 9:37 pm : link
You just said you wanted him and if that pick was for us. We were on the phone.
Okc  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 9:38 pm : link
Trading out
Interesting, thanks.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:40 pm : link
Hopefully staying put at 19 and 21 winds up being a blessing in disguise.
RE: Okc  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15317078 RAIN said:
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Trading out


Because they need more draft picks...
I didn’t want Kispert  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 9:40 pm : link
But his girl is an absolute rocket
That first woman was definitely not Corey Kispert's sister  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Two future firsts for OKC.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:42 pm : link
Good lord.
RE: I didn’t want Kispert  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15317081 bigbluehoya said:
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But his girl is an absolute rocket


She looks like she belongs in Tokyo with the women's volleyball team
RE: Two future firsts for OKC.  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15317083 bceagle05 said:
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Good lord.


For what? lol
RE: I didn’t want Kispert  
The_Boss : 7/29/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15317081 bigbluehoya said:
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But his girl is an absolute rocket


After tonight, she probably will need a week to get her legs back..hope she’s ready…
RE: Two future firsts for OKC.  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15317083 bceagle05 said:
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Good lord.


It's a strategy. I mean OKC wants every pick in every Draft. They're bound to find good ones.
Does OKC really need more 1sts?  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:44 pm : link
..
Give me Trey Murphy III!  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:45 pm : link
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OKC'S goal is to have a future draft where they have every 1st rd pick  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 9:46 pm : link
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MSG Network’s draft special  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:46 pm : link
was perfectly timed for 10pm.
RE: I didn’t want Kispert  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15317081 bigbluehoya said:
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But his girl is an absolute rocket


She’s on the Zags women’s team.
I like Sengun  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 9:47 pm : link
Murphy would now be my top pick for Knicks
If you believe that the draft is more probability/luck than science  
Mike from SI : 7/29/2021 9:49 pm : link
then what OKC is doing makes sense.
Rooting for Murphy  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 9:51 pm : link
And Cooper/McBride
Pels  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 9:51 pm : link
Taking Murphy III.

Who is your pick at 19 now?
OKC is just gambling..  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 9:51 pm : link
These picks could be protected and could be years down the line. Could set them up to trade for someone in the future or just stash picks until a team has a down year.
Uh oh.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 9:51 pm : link
Looks like Murphy going 17th to NOP. Wasserman said Bones and McBride are possible targets - can’t rule out Jackson for Kentucky though.
FUCK  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:52 pm : link
.
RE: Pels  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15317100 larryflower37 said:
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Taking Murphy III.

Who is your pick at 19 now?


Kai Jones
Garuba is the best player out of all of these guys,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 9:54 pm : link
but he’s like Draymond and the Knicks already have Julius and Obi.
My guesz is they go  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:58 pm : link
jackson and mcbride
RE: If you believe that the draft is more probability/luck than science  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15317096 Mike from SI said:
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then what OKC is doing makes sense.


At a certain point it gets kinda ridiculous though. Like maybe when you have 18 over the next 6 drafts you maybe don’t need 20. I understand that philosophy but at some point you need to actually pick players. I would think this would be a good draft to use picks. And they’re bound to at some point be in positions where they don’t like any players at their pick and also can’t trade the pick. You wanna trade your picks in weak drafts but i think this would’ve been a perfect point for them to use one of those picks. I guess they only wanted 2 first round players this year and they figure the guy they want will still be there at #18.
RE: Pels  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15317100 larryflower37 said:
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Taking Murphy III.

Who is your pick at 19 now?


Tre Mann could be shooter from outside
Woj  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 9:59 pm : link
The Knicks are trading the 19th pick to Charlotte for a future first-round pick, source tells ESPN.
Knicks traded the pick  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 9:59 pm : link
for a future 1st
RE: Woj  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15317117 larryflower37 said:
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The Knicks are trading the 19th pick to Charlotte for a future first-round pick, source tells ESPN.

Good move gives is more capital for a big trade
Whoa  
Mike from SI : 7/29/2021 10:00 pm : link
didn't see that coming.
Roll the dice on Keon?  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 10:00 pm : link
If I’m the Knicks, I get the guard I want .. probably McBride.

Wow. Mann.. I called him going earlier than expected.
I don't mind that  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:02 pm : link
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Smart move.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 10:02 pm : link
There are no wings or points they love and they can get a big at 21.
I like that..  
Sean : 7/29/2021 10:03 pm : link
Continue to maintain flexibility with assets.
Creates 2.7 in space also  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:03 pm : link
..
Good move by the Charlotte  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:03 pm : link
Sources: Charlotte selects Kai Jones at No. 19.
Fuck Richard Jefferson.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 10:04 pm : link
Fuck him then.

Fuck him now.
Brock Aller baby.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:04 pm : link
Thibs must be flipping out lol.
At 21...  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:05 pm : link
Maybe Cam Thomas or Isaiah Jackson? Fuck it. Go Keon Johnson
Definitely  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:05 pm : link
pushing an asset down the road for a trade
We re back on the clock  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:06 pm : link
Sources: Atlanta No. 20: Jalen Johnson.
RE: Good move by the Charlotte  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15317129 larryflower37 said:
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Sources: Charlotte selects Kai Jones at No. 19.


Who I would've taken for the Knicks, but alright. Alright. I'm not happy and I'm not mad.
Never heard Jefferson speak  
DCOrange : 7/29/2021 10:07 pm : link
Now I understand the rumors about him .
Kind of cruel  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:09 pm : link
That the kid is interviewing in a Knick hat
Jackson or McBride here  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 10:10 pm : link
I’m guessing.
This is for dame  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:10 pm : link
no doubt..
Fuck it. Give Keon Johnson or Jared Butler.  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:12 pm : link
Or Sharife Cooper.
Came very close  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:12 pm : link
To signing Ziaire Williams and Trey Murphy so this is tough to watch.
Give me Butler  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:13 pm : link
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Could be McBride or Jackson  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:13 pm : link
Based on my sources but grain of salt
Surprised  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 10:16 pm : link
they traded #19.
RE: Fuck Richard Jefferson.  
djm : 7/29/2021 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15317131 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Fuck him then.

Fuck him now.


Came to post this too. Thanks!
WOW  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:18 pm : link
New York is trading No. 21 to Detroit, per source.
RE: WOW  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15317162 larryflower37 said:
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New York is trading No. 21 to Detroit, per source.


WTF
Building picks for a trade  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
I think they are going all in on Dame
RE: WOW  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15317162 larryflower37 said:
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New York is trading No. 21 to Detroit, per source.


LOL! The Knicks vs. the Thunder in the Draft Cold War.
RE: WOW  
The_Boss : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15317162 larryflower37 said:
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New York is trading No. 21 to Detroit, per source.


For Cade Cunningham?
Trader Dave  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
Hired by Knicks?
I’m a bit surprised,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 10:20 pm : link
but it’s not outlandish that they don’t love any of these players.
Well, fuck me  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:20 pm : link
We took the two guys I wanted with our picks...Kai Jones and Keon Johnson and neither of them will play for the Knicks. Haha
Well that makes  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
The draft anticlimactic
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed
Big trade coming  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
.
I hear the 21st pick went to the Clippers. I have no idea who we got  
Ira : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
in return.
for 25 and a futuee 2nd  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
..

protections on the 1st Knicks got 1-18, 1-18, 1-14,1-14
Shams  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
Is saying it's the clippers pick and the Knicks are at 25
Woj said it went to Detroit

WTF
RE: Big trade coming  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15317176 ajr2456 said:
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source or guess?
RE: Lol  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15317174 DanMetroMan said:
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Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed


Wait, what? It's not unprotected? 1-18!?!?! But we picked 19 in a deeper draft...Da fuck, Leon?
Where is that trade posted?  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
Not saying anything on ESPN...
This is pretty frustrating honestly...  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
I feel like they need some to have some young guys in here to develop and they just seem to be kicking the can down the road.
My head is spinning.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
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It was the Clippers per Woj  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
We get #25
RE: RE: Lol  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15317182 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317174 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed



Wait, what? It's not unprotected? 1-18!?!?! But we picked 19 in a deeper draft...Da fuck, Leon?


they will use that in a trade guaranteed
This is on the first trade to Charlotte  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed
So we traded  
g56blue10 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
The 19th pick this year for the same pick or wear next year. Best case scenario. Strange unless something is in the works
RE: It was the Clippers per Woj  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15317188 adamg said:
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We get #25


And Detroit's 2nd in 2024
19 for a heavily protected 1  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok
Strange moves  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
They better not lose mcbride or I am going to be pissed off
Really no point watching the draft..  
Sean : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
with all these trades.
So does that mean  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?
Knicks were all in on a 3-D wing  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
Or nothing.
Mist have a PG in FA or a trade
Thibs doesn't want young players  
shyster : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
If they make the pick,they have a young player.

If they trade the pick for a future pick, they have an asset they can trade for a vet.
Cap space  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
Maybe they are trying to save cap space
RE: 19 for a heavily protected 1  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15317193 DanMetroMan said:
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And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok


That's how I feel.

They must be just trying to preserve assets? Hard to look at that Charlotte trade and think it's good.
RE: So does that mean  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?


We don't get the pick if it's in that range.
NYK  
31southst : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
Seeing 22 traded for Aaron Holiday, wouldn’t have minded that for the Knicks.
RE: RE: So does that mean  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15317205 adamg said:
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In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?



We don't get the pick if it's in that range.
how does that trade make any sense?
RE: So does that mean  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?

It means they don’t. The protections mean you don’t get it if it falls in that range and you wait until it does
Honestly don’t mind that the traded  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 10:28 pm : link
The picks but both returns are awful. I mean 21 to 25 and u get a second d. I guess that’s ok. But that cha trade is horrible.
Draft  
31southst : 7/29/2021 10:28 pm : link
Curious how the rest of the off-season goes but it is true a pick is more valuable as an asset before it’s made so could be part of rolling it over. Also clearly Knicks view a handful of players as on the same tier without clear separation.
RE: RE: 19 for a heavily protected 1  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15317204 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 15317193 DanMetroMan said:


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And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok



That's how I feel.

They must be just trying to preserve assets? Hard to look at that Charlotte trade and think it's good.


Preserving cap space for a trade next month.
RE: 19 for a heavily protected 1  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15317193 DanMetroMan said:
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And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok


Agreed. Why?
Leon Rose did the same thing in last year's draft trades.  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
These trades aren't exactly beneficial to the Knicks. I mean a heavily-protected first rounder and a future second. It clearly shows he didn't like anyone on the board and instead of choosing someone he didn't like, he got out of there even if he got a shit return.
RE: Honestly don’t mind that the traded  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15317214 Italianju said:
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The picks but both returns are awful. I mean 21 to 25 and u get a second d. I guess that’s ok. But that cha trade is horrible.


Especially when OKC got 2 firsts from Houston.
RE: RE: RE: So does that mean  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15317208 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15317205 adamg said:


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In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?



We don't get the pick if it's in that range.

how does that trade make any sense?


If CHA makes the playoffs in the next 3 years, we get their first basically.
Those 2nds  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
The Charlotte pick will be mid teens.

And shouldn’t have been protected, bad job.

A future 2nd to move down four spots, is not great return.

Crappy how the board fell.. but they must like other guys in a similar tier.

Not thrilled.
Ugh, what the heck, last year’s manuvering made sense, this year’s  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
doesn’t. We have like 2.5 players on the roster better than the players just picked. What the heck.
RE: Ugh, what the heck, last year’s manuvering made sense, this year’s  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15317222 Jim in Hoboken said:
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doesn’t. We have like 2.5 players on the roster better than the players just picked. What the heck.


we tried to tell you Knicks were never bringing in 4 rookies
We're making assets to make moves in FA  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
They wanted a lotto pick or they were dumping...
A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?
Yes the Hornets pick is protected  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
but it opens up being able to trade the Knicks own 22nd..
We've turned two shitty firsts into a future first  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:32 pm : link
a future second and 25.

That gives us maneuverability.
RE: A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15317225 Leg of Theismann said:
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Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?


Rose did the same thing last year. He'll trade draft picks for pennies on the dollar if there's no one he likes. Look at the Daniel Oturu trade and the Bolmaro trade.
Give me Jared Butler or Sharife Cooper  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
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RE: RE: A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15317231 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317225 Leg of Theismann said:


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Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?



Rose did the same thing last year. He'll trade draft picks for pennies on the dollar if there's no one he likes. Look at the Daniel Oturu trade and the Bolmaro trade.


Considering how our picks panned out, I don't mind that.
If someone on this forum had proposed  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:34 pm : link
The Knicks should trade a 2024 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots in the 1st round they would’ve been laughed off the board. Hell word is Golden State rejected our #19 + #21 package to move up to #14. Terrible value IMO for that move.
All  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 10:34 pm : link
or nothing. They had a couple of guys they liked, and when they were gone, they dumped the picks, even for crappy returns. Seems too harsh.
RE: Give me Jared Butler or Sharife Cooper  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15317232 Anakim said:
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BUTLER! Let's go!
RE: RE: RE: A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15317233 adamg said:
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In comment 15317231 Anakim said:


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In comment 15317225 Leg of Theismann said:


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Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?



Rose did the same thing last year. He'll trade draft picks for pennies on the dollar if there's no one he likes. Look at the Daniel Oturu trade and the Bolmaro trade.



Considering how our picks panned out, I don't mind that.


Trading down 2 spots to take IQ wasn't the issue. That was a fine trade. It was the other two trades that were head-scratching.
But this team needs depth...  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 10:37 pm : link
I get not wanting to bring in 4 players during the draft, but at the same time, they still need players.

Give me Butler at 25 and McBride or Ayayi at 32.
They've  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 10:37 pm : link
got some options with Butler, McBride, or Cooper, but they'll probably trade the pick for a second in 2030.
Created a little nore cap space  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:37 pm : link
gave them a little more maneuverability with how they can trade their picks..
Man, the media was ALL over the Knicks interest in Grimes  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:38 pm : link
And they were all over the interest in Duarte, Murphy, among others. Leon Rose and World Wide Wes have loose lips.

They were coy with the IQ pick, but we knew they were in love with Obi as well.
Davion does not seem pumped about Sacramento lol  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:41 pm : link
Can’t blame him.

The way he said “uhh… yeah… it was a surprise… but uh ya know… I’m extremely blessed to be here.”
Grimes is an excellent fit  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:41 pm : link
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No way the Knicks actually use the picks  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:41 pm : link
They acquired.
They kicked them down the road for a trade.
The Knicks were all over Grimes and they got him at 25 instead of 21
Grimes, nice!  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:43 pm : link
Some nice options will be available at #32 as well.
RE: No way the Knicks actually use the picks  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15317248 larryflower37 said:
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The Knicks were all over Grimes and they got him at 25 instead of 21


I'm not so sure they couldn't have gotten him at the top of the second round. Maybe that was the plan until their targets kept getting taken.


But the media called this and called their interest in Duarte and Co.
RE: Grimes, nice!  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15317249 bceagle05 said:
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Some nice options will be available at #32 as well.


I want Day'Ron Sharpe! Give me a beast on the boards and an excellent passer from the post.
RE: RE: No way the Knicks actually use the picks  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15317251 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317248 larryflower37 said:


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The Knicks were all over Grimes and they got him at 25 instead of 21



I'm not so sure they couldn't have gotten him at the top of the second round. Maybe that was the plan until their targets kept getting taken.


But the media called this and called their interest in Duarte and Co.


They are using that 32nd pick on Boston if he is there
Have to say I was hoping Cam Thomas  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:45 pm : link
He’s a walking bucket. But I trust the Grimes pick.
Cooper/Butler/Springer/Thomas/Deuce/Bones still around.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:46 pm : link
Let’s get one.
Oh yeah, Boston.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:46 pm : link
Forgot the obligatory Kentucky pick.
Grimes dominated the combine scrimmages  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:48 pm : link
added a lot to his game when he got to Houston
Ajr2456  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 10:48 pm : link
Do you have sources that are telling you a trade is happening down the road or are you just making assumptions?
RE: RE: RE: No way the Knicks actually use the picks  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15317253 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15317251 Anakim said:


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In comment 15317248 larryflower37 said:


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The Knicks were all over Grimes and they got him at 25 instead of 21



I'm not so sure they couldn't have gotten him at the top of the second round. Maybe that was the plan until their targets kept getting taken.


But the media called this and called their interest in Duarte and Co.



They are using that 32nd pick on Boston if he is there


Yeah, I heard that as well. We'll see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No way the Knicks actually use the picks  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15317263 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317251 Anakim said:


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In comment 15317248 larryflower37 said:


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The Knicks were all over Grimes and they got him at 25 instead of 21



I'm not so sure they couldn't have gotten him at the top of the second round. Maybe that was the plan until their targets kept getting taken.


But the media called this and called their interest in Duarte and Co.



They are using that 32nd pick on Boston if he is there



Yeah, I heard that as well. We'll see.



Or Deuce McBride
I wonder if the Knicks were targeting Mann and/or Murphy at #19  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:52 pm : link
Something kind of tells me that for some reason, maybe because that’s who I was hoping for and they both went just before and then suddenly the pick was traded. But who knows.
RE: I wonder if the Knicks were targeting Mann and/or Murphy at #19  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15317269 Leg of Theismann said:
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Something kind of tells me that for some reason, maybe because that’s who I was hoping for and they both went just before and then suddenly the pick was traded. But who knows.


Murphy. They’ve been on him December with that first pick. Once he was gone they decided to trade.
RE: Ajr2456  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15317261 GMEN46 said:
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Do you have sources that are telling you a trade is happening down the road or are you just making assumptions?


Their plan since the end of the season has been to make a package for SGA or Dame, which is why once Murphy was gone they decided trading for a future pick was better.
Someone on Twitter said Adam Silver  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:55 pm : link
looks like Bob Barker’s microphone from the Price is Right and I’ve been laughing ever since.
RE: RE: Ajr2456  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15317271 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15317261 GMEN46 said:


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Do you have sources that are telling you a trade is happening down the road or are you just making assumptions?



Their plan since the end of the season has been to make a package for SGA or Dame, which is why once Murphy was gone they decided trading for a future pick was better.


Damn.
Cam Thomas is really only a scorer  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
How is he going to fit in with freakin' Durant, Harden and Kyrie?
Welp free agency in a couple of days  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
is going to be real interesting
RE: RE: I wonder if the Knicks were targeting Mann and/or Murphy at #19  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15317270 ajr2456 said:
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Something kind of tells me that for some reason, maybe because that’s who I was hoping for and they both went just before and then suddenly the pick was traded. But who knows.



Murphy. They’ve been on him December with that first pick. Once he was gone they decided to trade.


Murphy went #17. If they really wanted him, couldn't they have traded up given where he was selected?
RE: RE: RE: I wonder if the Knicks were targeting Mann and/or Murphy at #19  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15317278 AcidTest said:
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Something kind of tells me that for some reason, maybe because that’s who I was hoping for and they both went just before and then suddenly the pick was traded. But who knows.



Murphy. They’ve been on him December with that first pick. Once he was gone they decided to trade.



Murphy went #17. If they really wanted him, couldn't they have traded up given where he was selected?


They tried for the OKC pick and even Indys pick at 13
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wonder if the Knicks were targeting Mann and/or Murphy at #19  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15317281 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15317270 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 15317269 Leg of Theismann said:


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Something kind of tells me that for some reason, maybe because that’s who I was hoping for and they both went just before and then suddenly the pick was traded. But who knows.



Murphy. They’ve been on him December with that first pick. Once he was gone they decided to trade.



Murphy went #17. If they really wanted him, couldn't they have traded up given where he was selected?



They tried for the OKC pick and even Indys pick at 13


I know, but it just seems strange that 19 and 21 couldn't even move them up a few spots.
could someone summarize what happened tonight?  
Del Shofner : 7/29/2021 11:10 pm : link
even from the regular news sources it's not clear to me.
RE: could someone summarize what happened tonight?  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15317283 Del Shofner said:
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even from the regular news sources it's not clear to me.


19 traded for a Non Lotto Hornets first.

21 traded down to 25 and future 2nd

25 was Quentin Grimes.
I like  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:12 pm : link
Grimes. Basically a worse creating, better defending Duarte.
Would love  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
McBride here at 32 if the Wiz dont take him
Cooper/Butler/Deuce still on the board.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
Hope we take one of them over BJ Boston.
Either McBride  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
or Butler. Maybe Cooper. A good opportunity to get a quality backup PG.

It'll probably be Boston.
Wiz take Isaiah Todd.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
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I would love it if the Knicks trade their late 2nd and a future 2nd  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 11:17 pm : link
So we can get both Cooper and McBride.
Somebody  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
mentioned Boston from Kentucky as the probable pick.
Lol  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:21 pm : link
another trade!
RE: I would love it if the Knicks trade their late 2nd and a future 2nd  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15317298 robbieballs2003 said:
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So we can get both Cooper and McBride.


good fricken call, Knicks trading 32 for 34 and 36
RE: Lol  
adamg : 7/29/2021 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15317302 Jon in NYC said:
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another trade!
nice
34 and 36  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:23 pm : link
i.e. BJ Boston and Deuce McBride, or vice-versa
Is  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:23 pm : link
Dave Gettleman moonlighting for the Knicks?
Nice trade.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:24 pm : link
We have madmen in the front office.
RE: Is  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15317308 AcidTest said:
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Dave Gettleman moonlighting for the Knicks?


this is the best trade of the night lol
Good trade  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 11:25 pm : link
Until the next one.
Cooper and  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 11:25 pm : link
Butler please.
RE: Nice trade.  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15317311 bceagle05 said:
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We have madmen in the front office.


Best and most sensible trade of the night
I think since #19 about 2 teams have kept the pick  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 11:27 pm : link
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RE: RE: Is  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15317313 nygiants16 said:
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Dave Gettleman moonlighting for the Knicks?



this is the best trade of the night lol


It is, but the number of trades is just crazy.
Hahahaha  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:28 pm : link
They took a Euro stash!?
RE: Hahahaha  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15317321 Anakim said:
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They took a Euro stash!?


they are saving money for something
Exciting night so far  
adamg : 7/29/2021 11:30 pm : link
I kind of expected this type of day
Clearly Rose hated the talent in this draft after Murphy  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 11:31 pm : link
I mean its comical at this point.
Well, Schmitz loves the pick  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:31 pm : link
So I'm cool with it
PGs still available.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:32 pm : link
Maybe take one?
RE: PGs still available.  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15317327 bceagle05 said:
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Maybe take one?


The draft and stash is a point guard
RE: Clearly Rose hated the talent in this draft after Murphy  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15317324 Stu11 said:
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I mean its comical at this point.


Yup. They're basically punting the entire draft for FA.
RE: Clearly Rose hated the talent in this draft after Murphy  
81_Great_Dane : 7/29/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15317324 Stu11 said:
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I mean its comical at this point.
I give him a lot of credit for not taking a player just because he has to burn off a pick. If he doesn't like anyone there, save the asset. I get the complaints about the return for #19, but maybe he was just more eager to get a comparable pick in a future draft, hoping there'll be someone he likes better then.
Duece?  
adamg : 7/29/2021 11:33 pm : link
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McBride!  
adamg : 7/29/2021 11:34 pm : link
Let's go
Knicks  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 11:34 pm : link
take McBride at #36. That should make some people here happy.
Love this pick  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 11:34 pm : link
Knicms got their Marcus Smart, taking Mcbride
And if BJ Boston is there at 58  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:35 pm : link
You bet he'll be the pick
Deuce!  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:38 pm : link
Love it.
Love the McBride pick  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 11:38 pm : link
I would have been fine taking him at 21
RE: Love the McBride pick  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15317340 GMEN46 said:
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I would have been fine taking him at 21


I think many pundits thought Deuce was a better and higher rated prospect than Grimes
RE: Love the McBride pick  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 11:40 pm : link
In comment 15317340 GMEN46 said:
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I would have been fine taking him at 21

Same here, and I wanted Grimes at #32. Those two, plus a Euro stash, extra cap space and a couple of assets down the road makes for a productive night.
Overall good draft  
NoGainDayne : 7/29/2021 11:42 pm : link
I feel like the protections on that Charlotte first rounder could have been better though. I can't see the Bobcats being good anytime soon, kind of just gave away the first rounder with those protections
RE: RE: Love the McBride pick  
Jon in NYC : 7/29/2021 11:42 pm : link
In comment 15317342 bceagle05 said:
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I would have been fine taking him at 21


Same here, and I wanted Grimes at #32. Those two, plus a Euro stash, extra cap space and a couple of assets down the road makes for a productive night.


Agreed. Was all unexpected and a real whirlwind, but the Knicks did well. Two basically guaranteed role players and a draft and stash with upside.
Might as well package #58 and cash to move up and take  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:49 pm : link
BJ Boston. Charles Bassey would also be an interesting gamble.
McBride  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 11:49 pm : link
Was a good value pick and the pundits like the Euro. The 19 trade was not a good one. The protections essentially mean the benefit is a small cap savings for this year. We may not see that pick for a while.
RE: McBride  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15317349 DanMetroMan said:
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Was a good value pick and the pundits like the Euro. The 19 trade was not a good one. The protections essentially mean the benefit is a small cap savings for this year. We may not see that pick for a while.

Ultimately I don’t think it matters all that much. The most likely scenario is that they trade that pick in a bigger deal in the next two years anyways.
Is Cooper involved in a murder investigation?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 11:54 pm : link
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RE: Is Cooper involved in a murder investigation?  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 11:56 pm : link
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Haha, we discussed this like a week ago, right? Undersized, poor defender, short arm length and a bad shooter. For all his positives, those guys usually go in the second round.
McBride  
manh george : 7/30/2021 12:14 am : link
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Two picks later, the Knicks made Tom Thibodeau happy, picking up West Virginia point guard Miles McBride, who impressed the coach during his workout with the team. The former high school quarterback could be a draft-day steal.

“I see people ahead of him that I know he’s better than,’’ West Virginia assistant coach Erik Martin told The Post. “Some of those guys he’s outplayed when we played them. He’s 6-2, a former football player and a winner. He has toughness. He came in the door with that. Hopefully where he gets drafted is somewhere where he’d play.’’


Wow, Sharife Cooper disappeared. Taken at 48.
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Boston and Bassey still hanging around.  
bceagle05 : 7/30/2021 12:18 am : link
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Well, BJ Boston to NEw Orleans.  
bceagle05 : 7/30/2021 12:20 am : link
Why the hell am I still watching this?
Ayayi or someone  
Jan in DC : 7/30/2021 12:31 am : link
to stash maybe?
RE: Ayayi or someone  
adamg : 7/30/2021 12:53 am : link
In comment 15317374 Jan in DC said:
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to stash maybe?


He went on a two to the Lakers per Woj
.  
adamg : 7/30/2021 12:53 am : link

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We got our big  
adamg : 7/30/2021 12:54 am : link
stats
So we drafted a 1, 2, and a 5  
adamg : 7/30/2021 12:55 am : link
Think they think they've got 3 and 4 covered.
24, 33, and 61 on the Tankathon big board  
adamg : 7/30/2021 1:21 am : link
And a future first and second.

Not a bad night.
RE: So we drafted a 1, 2, and a 5  
bceagle05 : 7/30/2021 1:37 am : link
In comment 15317383 adamg said:
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Think they think they've got 3 and 4 covered.

Yep, that's what I was hoping for - PG, wing and a big. Summer League should be fun.
McBride is a former football player  
adamg : 7/30/2021 2:04 am : link
Looks like he has two way potential.

I'm pumped with this pick. Thibs kind of player. Let's go D!
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We got 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if they were the best  
Anakim : 7/30/2021 7:19 am : link
value, aside from the Jericho Sims pick. And trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.
Is this Westbrook to the Lakers deal done?  
UConn4523 : 7/30/2021 7:29 am : link
miserable if true
.  
Anakim : 7/30/2021 7:46 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn

Undrafted Clemson F Aamir Simms has agreed to a a deal with the Knicks, source tells ESPN.



Aamir Simms
@EarlShmitty_

They gone feel me… what’s new! Slept on ain’t nothing but a routine now! Thank you to everyone who been sticking with me this far! God has something greater in store for me! I only need a foot in the door! #undraftedunderdog #Godisforever
RE: Is this Westbrook to the Lakers deal done?  
adamg : 7/30/2021 7:52 am : link
In comment 15317431 UConn4523 said:
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miserable if true


Makes it a lot easier for me to root for LA over BK.
honestly if that CHA...  
Italianju : 7/30/2021 8:02 am : link
pick was just like top 10 protected id consider last night a win. Not an awful night (pick 32 for 34 and 36 saved it). Just those protections make that pick pretty useless. I know it will be used in a trade and blah blah blah, but i just feel like at worst "lottery protection" should have been doable.
Last night proved 1 thing to me  
nygiants16 : 7/30/2021 8:05 am : link
they are going to spend money in free agency..

Also Hahn mentioned on his facebook page that the Lithuanian guard has already worked a buyout with his team..
Anddddd the Thunder get another first round pick  
Anakim : 7/30/2021 8:06 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn

The Utah Jazz have agreed to trade C Derrick Favors and a future first-round pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for a future second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Jazz create some financial flexibility and Thunder grab another first-rounder.
RE: Last night proved 1 thing to me  
Anakim : 7/30/2021 8:07 am : link
In comment 15317447 nygiants16 said:
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they are going to spend money in free agency..

Also Hahn mentioned on his facebook page that the Lithuanian guard has already worked a buyout with his team..


So much for a Eurostash
RE: We got 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if they were the best  
Heisenberg : 7/30/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15317426 Anakim said:
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value, aside from the Jericho Sims pick. And trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.


It felt to me that once their fave guys in the teens were gone, they wanted out of the range their picks were in. Clearly they were willing to pick some guys but prioritized having future assets - the kind that get used in trades for Vets. They came in with 4 picks, picked four players and still have a potential first round pick and a second round pick in future drafts.

You can say that the guys they would have gotten at 19 and 21 and 32 would be better than who they got at 25 and 34/36. But if the Knicks are hunting vets, not trying to find franchise players in the late teens, early twenties.

They got future assets, opened a little cap space this year and next and picked 4 interesting players whose fit with "Knicks Basketball" all really makes sense. You can see how all of them really fit how the Knicks want to play. It was a good night, IMO.
RE: RE: Last night proved 1 thing to me  
nygiants16 : 7/30/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15317450 Anakim said:
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they are going to spend money in free agency..

Also Hahn mentioned on his facebook page that the Lithuanian guard has already worked a buyout with his team..



So much for a Eurostash


He said he could still go back if Knicks ask him to stay
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