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robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:54 am
The current rumors are still the same. Knicks are trying to trade up. They are willing to part with both firsts. Their supposed targets are Davion Mitchell or Chris Duarte. I feel like a lot of rumors are started with agents using the Knicks as pawns because they have both draft picks and cap space so take a lot of these rumors with a grain of salt. Last year nobody saw the moves coming with respect to trades or us picking Quickley. So, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
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RE: WOW  
The_Boss : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15317162 larryflower37 said:
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New York is trading No. 21 to Detroit, per source.


For Cade Cunningham?
Trader Dave  
Mike in NY : 7/29/2021 10:19 pm : link
Hired by Knicks?
I’m a bit surprised,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/29/2021 10:20 pm : link
but it’s not outlandish that they don’t love any of these players.
Well, fuck me  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:20 pm : link
We took the two guys I wanted with our picks...Kai Jones and Keon Johnson and neither of them will play for the Knicks. Haha
Well that makes  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
The draft anticlimactic
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed
Big trade coming  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
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I hear the 21st pick went to the Clippers. I have no idea who we got  
Ira : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
in return.
for 25 and a futuee 2nd  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
..

protections on the 1st Knicks got 1-18, 1-18, 1-14,1-14
Shams  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
Is saying it's the clippers pick and the Knicks are at 25
Woj said it went to Detroit

WTF
RE: Big trade coming  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15317176 ajr2456 said:
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source or guess?
RE: Lol  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15317174 DanMetroMan said:
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Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed


Wait, what? It's not unprotected? 1-18!?!?! But we picked 19 in a deeper draft...Da fuck, Leon?
Where is that trade posted?  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
Not saying anything on ESPN...
This is pretty frustrating honestly...  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
I feel like they need some to have some young guys in here to develop and they just seem to be kicking the can down the road.
My head is spinning.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
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It was the Clippers per Woj  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
We get #25
RE: RE: Lol  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15317182 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317174 DanMetroMan said:


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Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed



Wait, what? It's not unprotected? 1-18!?!?! But we picked 19 in a deeper draft...Da fuck, Leon?


they will use that in a trade guaranteed
This is on the first trade to Charlotte  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
Pick protection on the Charlotte future 1 to New York

2022- 1-18
2023- 1-16
2024- 1-14
2025- 1-14

Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed
So we traded  
g56blue10 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
The 19th pick this year for the same pick or wear next year. Best case scenario. Strange unless something is in the works
RE: It was the Clippers per Woj  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15317188 adamg said:
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We get #25


And Detroit's 2nd in 2024
19 for a heavily protected 1  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok
Strange moves  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
They better not lose mcbride or I am going to be pissed off
Really no point watching the draft..  
Sean : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
with all these trades.
So does that mean  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?
Knicks were all in on a 3-D wing  
larryflower37 : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
Or nothing.
Mist have a PG in FA or a trade
Thibs doesn't want young players  
shyster : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
If they make the pick,they have a young player.

If they trade the pick for a future pick, they have an asset they can trade for a vet.
Cap space  
GMEN46 : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
Maybe they are trying to save cap space
RE: 19 for a heavily protected 1  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15317193 DanMetroMan said:
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And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok


That's how I feel.

They must be just trying to preserve assets? Hard to look at that Charlotte trade and think it's good.
RE: So does that mean  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?


We don't get the pick if it's in that range.
NYK  
31southst : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
Seeing 22 traded for Aaron Holiday, wouldn’t have minded that for the Knicks.
RE: RE: So does that mean  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15317205 adamg said:
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In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?



We don't get the pick if it's in that range.
how does that trade make any sense?
RE: So does that mean  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?

It means they don’t. The protections mean you don’t get it if it falls in that range and you wait until it does
Honestly don’t mind that the traded  
Italianju : 7/29/2021 10:28 pm : link
The picks but both returns are awful. I mean 21 to 25 and u get a second d. I guess that’s ok. But that cha trade is horrible.
Draft  
31southst : 7/29/2021 10:28 pm : link
Curious how the rest of the off-season goes but it is true a pick is more valuable as an asset before it’s made so could be part of rolling it over. Also clearly Knicks view a handful of players as on the same tier without clear separation.
RE: RE: 19 for a heavily protected 1  
ajr2456 : 7/29/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15317204 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 15317193 DanMetroMan said:


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And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok



That's how I feel.

They must be just trying to preserve assets? Hard to look at that Charlotte trade and think it's good.


Preserving cap space for a trade next month.
RE: 19 for a heavily protected 1  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15317193 DanMetroMan said:
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And 21 for 25 and a future 2… uh ok


Agreed. Why?
Leon Rose did the same thing in last year's draft trades.  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
These trades aren't exactly beneficial to the Knicks. I mean a heavily-protected first rounder and a future second. It clearly shows he didn't like anyone on the board and instead of choosing someone he didn't like, he got out of there even if he got a shit return.
RE: Honestly don’t mind that the traded  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15317214 Italianju said:
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The picks but both returns are awful. I mean 21 to 25 and u get a second d. I guess that’s ok. But that cha trade is horrible.


Especially when OKC got 2 firsts from Houston.
RE: RE: RE: So does that mean  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15317208 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15317205 adamg said:


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In comment 15317197 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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We get the pick if it is 1-18? If not s then we go to next year?



We don't get the pick if it's in that range.

how does that trade make any sense?


If CHA makes the playoffs in the next 3 years, we get their first basically.
Those 2nds  
RAIN : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
The Charlotte pick will be mid teens.

And shouldn’t have been protected, bad job.

A future 2nd to move down four spots, is not great return.

Crappy how the board fell.. but they must like other guys in a similar tier.

Not thrilled.
Ugh, what the heck, last year’s manuvering made sense, this year’s  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 10:29 pm : link
doesn’t. We have like 2.5 players on the roster better than the players just picked. What the heck.
RE: Ugh, what the heck, last year’s manuvering made sense, this year’s  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15317222 Jim in Hoboken said:
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doesn’t. We have like 2.5 players on the roster better than the players just picked. What the heck.


we tried to tell you Knicks were never bringing in 4 rookies
We're making assets to make moves in FA  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
They wanted a lotto pick or they were dumping...
A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?
Yes the Hornets pick is protected  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
but it opens up being able to trade the Knicks own 22nd..
We've turned two shitty firsts into a future first  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:32 pm : link
a future second and 25.

That gives us maneuverability.
RE: A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15317225 Leg of Theismann said:
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Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?


Rose did the same thing last year. He'll trade draft picks for pennies on the dollar if there's no one he likes. Look at the Daniel Oturu trade and the Bolmaro trade.
Give me Jared Butler or Sharife Cooper  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
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RE: RE: A 2024 2nd round pick? Seriously?  
adamg : 7/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15317231 Anakim said:
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In comment 15317225 Leg of Theismann said:


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Is that worth giving up the chance to take anyone we want at this point?



Rose did the same thing last year. He'll trade draft picks for pennies on the dollar if there's no one he likes. Look at the Daniel Oturu trade and the Bolmaro trade.


Considering how our picks panned out, I don't mind that.
If someone on this forum had proposed  
Leg of Theismann : 7/29/2021 10:34 pm : link
The Knicks should trade a 2024 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots in the 1st round they would’ve been laughed off the board. Hell word is Golden State rejected our #19 + #21 package to move up to #14. Terrible value IMO for that move.
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