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Metnut : 7/29/2021 11:31 am
for Raanan. Not a good start to camp.
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RE: Does anyone else here wonder if  
NYGgolfer : 7/29/2021 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15316925 Mike from Ohio said:
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Terps and FMiC are not simply two one-trick, deranged posters, but actually the same, super-deranged poster arguing with themself?

The same argument using the same language in multiple posts every day spanning what seems like an eon.



Seems plausible. I don't know why Go Terps is so anti-Jones. Particularly because a third year is not unheard of with any first round pick at QB. Fmic and his following are overmatched though in response.
Hopefully  
darren in pdx : 7/29/2021 9:33 pm : link
it's not a long-term injury, but shit happens. The o-line is a question mark still but they need the young players to develop, they can't just keep investing limited resources into the o-line every season just because they weren't Orlando Pace as rookies. There are still huge holes else-where on the team and might need to invest in a new QB if Jones doesn't cut the turnovers. If Jones works out, they'll have a chance to add more o-line talent in the draft.
Everyone  
Bergen346 : 7/29/2021 9:45 pm : link
Who laughed at us for sticking with Shane at LG are now crying, acting like if he isn’t healthy we are doomed.

RE: I don't understand this well we sucked in the recent past, so it's  
Scooter185 : 7/29/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15316743 Zeke's Alibi said:
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almost a sure-fire bet we will suck in the future. I mean in my lifetime it seems like we have a decade of good football, resulting in two superbowls, followed by a decade of poor football, and than another decade of good football resulting in another two superbowl wins, and now a decade of bade football. If this data stays true to form we will win another two superbowls. Of course that's silly to think, just like it's silly to think look at the recent history and apply it to 2020 on.

DG has been a middling GM so far imo and his two biggest mistakes, far and away, was the hiring of Shurmur and the clown car and the judgement of the team going into 2018 (this assesment led to very poor decisions) Seems like he got the coaching staff right the second time (only time will tell, but if you aint excited about Judge and staff, don't know what to tell you) and personally I think he got the QB right.

2021 is truly a make-or-break year for this franchise and yet some don't believe it's possible. Which is fine, but to point at the past 8 years is, to me, completely assinine and irrelevant. Blasphemy to say, but if the team turns around next year, I think you have to look at DG positively. He did take over a complete clusterfuck.


It's not that we believe it's sure fire going to continue to suck, just that this ownership/FO has lost any benefit of the doubt from us after years of poor decision making and equally poor results. The Knicks were a laughingstock for what 20 years? What changed this season? They won. That's where some of us are at with the Giants: they're a bad team until they prove otherwise.
RE: RE: Does anyone else here wonder if  
Go Terps : 7/29/2021 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15317001 NYGgolfer said:
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In comment 15316925 Mike from Ohio said:


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Terps and FMiC are not simply two one-trick, deranged posters, but actually the same, super-deranged poster arguing with themself?

The same argument using the same language in multiple posts every day spanning what seems like an eon.





Seems plausible. I don't know why Go Terps is so anti-Jones. Particularly because a third year is not unheard of with any first round pick at QB. Fmic and his following are overmatched though in response.


I'm not anti-Jones - it's just the reality of the situation. He has no pocket presence and he struggles to see anything past his first read. He also struggles on play action from under center when he has to turn his back to the defense and read the developing play.

He can do two things really well: run the ball on designed plays and deliver the ball accurately to his first read. That's not nothing - I think he could be effective either as a Cam Newton type where his running is the feature, or possibly in a Stefanski/Shanahan/McVay style offense that gets him out of the pocket, cuts the field in half, and prescribes his throws.

But we have Garrett, who wants to deliver the ball deep from the pocket after establishing the run. Combine that with our offensive line and it's a recipe for third and long (a category where the Giants had the most in the league in 2020). Low success, high risk situations.

I expect Jones's struggles to continue partially because of his limitations and partially because of his situation. The crucial question is whether it's worth picking up his option, and IMO anything short of a huge Josh Allen type of third year means we have to find a new quarterback for 2022 due to his contract situation and our extra first round pick in 2022.

I don't hate Jones, but the situation is what it is.
Woohoo!  
Boatie Warrant : 7/29/2021 10:13 pm : link
Woo-hoo! I get to be a lemming for thinking DG is an ok GM. Not Great and not crap.

I used to love that game (lemmings) back in the 80's. Or was it early 90's? Pretty sure it was early 90's.
RE: Everyone  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/29/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15317090 Bergen346 said:
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Who laughed at us for sticking with Shane at LG are now crying, acting like if he isn’t healthy we are doomed.


Who laughed at sticking with Lemieux at OG?

I literally didn't see a single post saying that. Hernandez maybe but not Lemieux.
RE: RE: Who says to post less??  
section125 : 7/29/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15316841 bw in dc said:
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It isn't about volume - it is content. You post a variation of the same thing over and over again, ad nauseum. And it isn't just occasionally - it is every day.




And so the Pot has spoken.

One of the all-time hypocritical posts.


Actually, Fats is correct. I get nausea the minute I see you and Terps jump up and down preaching. Not to say you cannot be right and they crash and burn this season. If so, we will applaud you. But it is effin annoying that a thread doesn't pass that one of you(or both) is telling us all how bad DG is...we get it. We have read it a few hundred times. Can we please, I ask you kindly, please get out of training camp first before you declare the season and the next decade lost because DG is a moron and the stupidest man to ever enter a pro football facility. Can we please have a moment to enjoy camp reports and debate players without be called idiots and lemmings.
section  
Go Terps : 7/29/2021 10:37 pm : link
You have nausea? Can you imagine the nausea created by the oceans of excuses and rationalizations we've had to read here justifying the mistakes of this front office and ownership? It's been like drinking ipecac since Gettleman was hired.
Giants could have drafted Vera-Tucker..  
Sean : 7/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
Instead of trading down. They opted for the first rounder next year. So if there is criticism for not addressing the OL, that decision should be part of it.
Dave Gettleman probably has turned the corner  
giantstock : 7/30/2021 12:46 am : link
This year I didn't/ don't expect much. I like how we have a lot of draft picks next year. I like Dg's comments below admitting his mistake(s).

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-east/new-york-giants/giants-gm-dave-gettleman-admits-he-made-a-mistake

He said the following:

“I thought we could do both at the same time and I was wrong,” Gettleman admitted on ESPN Radio, via Art Stapleton.
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This was his blunder. This is why many of us went after him like we did- because it is mind-numbingly stupid logic. And there were many on here that instead held the attitude "Well I'll trust his POV over yours and others." Any fan that was fair could see he was blundering.

But now we got quite a few picks in 2022. That's a very good sign imo. Very happy about this and what DG did (and I assume Judge too.). So many of us that didn't think much of the team this year- this injury shouldn't move the needle. Frankly, I liked Giants got Fulton but I saw reaction on here when we got him - and it was so muted I figured then he must be done. Hopefully, he isn't.

I do like what we're doing. This injury changes little. I wanted upgrades to the OL - but we weren't going to be that good anyway - so I can wait. And hope to be shocked.
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And ofc we have some posters on here that will defend the Giants and lash out at anyone that complains as much as possible. Kind of funny- one poster on this thread that brought-up vocal-minority regarding DG - last year he claimed "I never defended Dave Gettleman." Just to see how many people came at him - and he still kept fighting and insulting - pretty comical.

Anyhow, I expect a 7-10 year. Am okay with that because I think our GM and Head Coach have set up things well for next year.

But what gets a little annoying is that it almost appears as if some fans are more frustrated with those that have accurately identified in the past the team was going to suck by taking out some frustration out of the overall incompetence of the team for these several years- rather than cheerlead. Yet the cheerleading seems to want to attack those fans rather than attack the garbage they've had to watch over the last several years. - Very odd.

But as I said - things look good for 2022. This year anything good that happens it's a bonus. I really like the opportunities in 2022.
giantstock you keep it pretty fair  
NoGainDayne : 7/30/2021 1:16 am : link
I'm actually encouraged that you have faith in DG lol

RE: giantstock you keep it pretty fair  
giantstock : 7/30/2021 3:13 am : link
In comment 15317393 NoGainDayne said:
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I'm actually encouraged that you have faith in DG lol


1-- I'm okay with Jones. Not saying he is going to be great - but if I'm okay with Jones then the big need is the OL. If this year the OL does well (which I highly doubt) - then I'd expect Jones to do well enough. If they don't then I think it will be obvious upgrades are needed at OL. Have more than enough between picks and FA to fix.

2--- I believe in Judge. I don't think much of the Dallas coach either. And I think until Washington gets a QB they are limited. And Philly's coach questionable.

3--- I respect when management admits specifically what they did wrong. But more than that-- this has been my whole point of blasting DG-.-- Hubris. Excessive hubris. Since day one he had it, flaunted it-- and for a team I felt sucked - had little-to-no-shot-to-win-- he should've went all-in on rebuilding. Instead between his a combo of drafting, free agent signings, and trades - his moves were silly for a complete rebuild which I felt was needed. - Hubris thinking he could win with such an awful roster.

4-- As someone who felt team was awful all over many positions- how can I not appreciate all the trading down? And acquiring draft picks for the following year? That's exactly one of two ways I think it takes to rebuild. For someone like me that wanted a rebuild, acquiring multiple picks is awesome. What else can I say?
RE: RE: RE: Who says to post less??  
bw in dc : 7/30/2021 7:23 am : link
In comment 15317228 section125 said:
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Actually, Fats is correct. I get nausea the minute I see you and Terps jump up and down preaching. Not to say you cannot be right and they crash and burn this season. If so, we will applaud you. But it is effin annoying that a thread doesn't pass that one of you(or both) is telling us all how bad DG is...we get it. We have read it a few hundred times. Can we please, I ask you kindly, please get out of training camp first before you declare the season and the next decade lost because DG is a moron and the stupidest man to ever enter a pro football facility. Can we please have a moment to enjoy camp reports and debate players without be called idiots and lemmings.


Where have I said this season is going to be a failure before it starts? The subject I have most written about this upcoming season is how many points we will likely need to get to the playoffs; and how Jones will need to impact that. Which is inexplicably a sore topic for some because I'm placing expectations on Jones. And that is considered way out of bounds around here with the vocal majority.

I have made NO predictions about record, playoffs, etc.

Alas, like the Fatman in Charlotte, you have become quite deft at putting words in my mouth and distorting what I write.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Who says to post less??  
giantstock : 7/30/2021 8:28 am : link
In comment 15317429 bw in dc said:
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Where have I said this season is going to be a failure before it starts? The subject I have most written about this upcoming season is how many points we will likely need to get to the playoffs; and how Jones will need to impact that. Which is inexplicably a sore topic for some because I'm placing expectations on Jones. And that is considered way out of bounds around here with the vocal majority.

I have made NO predictions about record, playoffs, etc.

Alas, like the Fatman in Charlotte, you have become quite deft at putting words in my mouth and distorting what I write.


"Have become?"

This is what he has always done.
RE: RE: The rebuild  
Reale01 : 7/30/2021 10:14 am : link
In comment 15316585 GiantsFan84 said:
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Going into this offseason the Giants were in position to make moves that would have them contend for playoffs and division crown. They were two years away from championship contention.

They needed to address the following
LB/ER
CB
WR
OL
RB - reserve

They were able to do all but OL in 2021 and there is a chance they will be OK there.

They are well positioned to address OL next year as they will have no other glaring holes (other than possibly edge) and could easily draft 3 OL in rounds 1-3 where they have 5 picks.

That would position them well for a serious 2022 run and very well for 2023.

This presumes that DJ works out and no career ending injuries of key players.



they will have holes next year to fill excluding the OL. i'm not saying they should be filled as bigger priorities than the OL but they will have other holes and it's not as simple as to say most other things are fixed and they can just focus on the OL

- S (if peppers leaves)
- TE is going to be a massive hole (rudolph could be a cap casualty or completely cooked and EE will not be re-signed)
- WR is slayton plays like he did last year
- QB is a possibility
- CB and MLB are bradbury and martinez would be entering into the final years of their deals, both can be re-signed but they may want to draft replacements for cap purposes
- DL to replace hill who will likely walk


Of course you always need new players. The other two high picks plus 2 4th round picks could be used as appropriate. Plus there is Free Agency. TE is a relatively inexpensive position to fill. I agree that it all goes to shit if DJ stumbles.
RE: There goes the Superbowl and any chance of the playoffs  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/30/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15316663 SgtDog said:
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Shane Lemieux the Giants fifth round 2020 draft pick who started 9 games last year sat in the back of a cart while they drove him off the practice field. Team officials state it was an issue with his knee. Its over now. All hopes for the Giants are gone. Giants fans have begun jumping off the Rt 3 overpass outside the Metlife Sports Complex and into the Berry's Creek Canal Time to dump the roster and move into rebuild mode.

You want to downplay Lemieux's injury by downplaying Lemieux's value, and that's fine.

Just realize that the 5th round draft pick who started 9 games last year is also their best OG at the moment.

It cuts both ways.
Terps  
Mike from Ohio : 7/30/2021 1:36 pm : link
I think that is a fair perspective on Jones. It's not one every one will agree with but it's balanced.

You may think I am targeting you and FMiC in my posts and to an extent I am. I've read both your posts for years and I think you both know the game. When I see what both your posts degenerate into I think the board loses a lot.

There are plenty of morons who post all the time about Jones and I wouldn't waste a minute of my time on them because all they know is how to shout an unsupported opinion. I think you two both bring a lot more when you just post perspectives like that.

Sermon over.
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