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Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 11:50 am
Grey Pilgrim pushed me into an early release date on this, lol. My 3 are:
1- Onion- you pretty much can't make anything with a beef or chicken stock base without onions. Plus, caramelized or onion rings, raw in salad or on burgers.
2- Tomato- there would be no red sauce/gravy without it. Plus raw in salads or on sandwiches, roasted on appetizers, soup, and of course, in ketchup
3- Garlic- maybe nothing, other than bacon, makes food taste better. In almost every recipe I use from someone, I double the garlic.
I'm pretty sure I know the #1 choice that I left out :)
Three is too  
section125 : 7/29/2021 11:51 am : link
few..

Onion, Tomato, Potato
Tomatos are a fruit  
giants#1 : 7/29/2021 11:51 am : link
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RE: Tomatos are a fruit  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15316318 giants#1 said:
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Not on this thread
should've just made it 'Top 2 Veggies'  
giants#1 : 7/29/2021 11:52 am : link
if that's all you can come up with! :-D
RE: should've just made it 'Top 2 Veggies'  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15316322 giants#1 said:
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if that's all you can come up with! :-D


ok, I'll change it to top 3 veggies or faux veggies. But is a hot dog a sandwich?
french fries  
djm : 7/29/2021 11:57 am : link
hash browns
mashed potatoes
RE: RE: should've just made it 'Top 2 Veggies'  
giants#1 : 7/29/2021 11:59 am : link
In comment 15316328 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15316322 giants#1 said:


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if that's all you can come up with! :-D



ok, I'll change it to top 3 veggies or faux veggies. But is a hot dog a sandwich?


Does it have ketchup?
Tomatoes are a  
tyrik13 : 7/29/2021 12:04 pm : link
Fruit and they cause inflammation.
my veggie garden is churning out summer squash right now  
Del Shofner : 7/29/2021 12:08 pm : link
and cooked the way I cook it, it's delicious (considering that it's a vegetable).

Sugar snap pea season is done but that's a vegetable delicious without even cooking it.

Fresh corn is in season now too. As I think about it - I think fresh corn on the cob is #1.
If tomatoes were really a fruit  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 12:09 pm : link
they would be sold in the fruit aisle. Just like tomatillos, which are supposedly berries. Case closed :)
and I grow tomatoes too  
Del Shofner : 7/29/2021 12:10 pm : link
but they're a fruit! (I do love 'em though.)

I agree that onions and garlic are essential cooking elements but they accompany other things, I wouldn't rate them in the top 3 just on their own.
RE: If tomatoes were really a fruit  
giants#1 : 7/29/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15316347 Bill in UT said:
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they would be sold in the fruit aisle. Just like tomatillos, which are supposedly berries. Case closed :)


Shoprite usually has fresh mozz right next to the tomatoes. Does that make mozz a vegetable (fruit)?
Its  
thomasa510 : 7/29/2021 12:14 pm : link
It’s hard to refute your three but hot peppers are likely the alternative to garlic
We all know tomatoes are  
section125 : 7/29/2021 12:14 pm : link
a fruit and a citrus fruit at that. But they are in the vegetable realm when it comes to eating What vegetable salad does not include tomatoes, normally.
Vegetable pizza, Veggie lasagna, eggplant parm  
markky : 7/29/2021 12:41 pm : link
You can throw meat on the first two and replace eggplant with chicken to make any of these even better.
honorable mention:  
markky : 7/29/2021 12:42 pm : link
popcorn
I'll cook with onions and garlic (not tomatoes).  
Klaatu : 7/29/2021 12:45 pm : link
But just for eating...spinach, kale, broccoli rabe. Honorable Mention, eggplant.
Yes, I like onion and garlic too but putting those aside  
Jimmy Googs : 7/29/2021 12:47 pm : link
as being part of many cooking processes, my favorite side dish vegetables are:

Collards Greens
Asparagus
Brussels Sprouts
RE: my veggie garden is churning out summer squash right now  
beatrixkiddo : 7/29/2021 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15316346 Del Shofner said:
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and cooked the way I cook it, it's delicious (considering that it's a vegetable).

Sugar snap pea season is done but that's a vegetable delicious without even cooking it.

Fresh corn is in season now too. As I think about it - I think fresh corn on the cob is #1.


Just got some amazing summer squash from our CSA farmers, been so good on the grill. This is a good list and hard to argue against. Love fresh corn in the summer, grilled, boiled, in salsa's, street corn style, can't beat it.

I love Brussel sprouts too, but not sure it cracks top 3. Potatoes for sure have to be in it, Tomatoes are technically fruit, and I love tomatoes, but if it comes to potatoes vs tomatoes, Potatoes win for me (although its tough cal)
i like this thread  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2021 1:14 pm : link
meats and sandwiches are kinda same old same old.

I love almost every vegetable there is so this is tough. I'd probably go:

Broccoli
Peppers
Carrots

The big omission is Onion which I also love but it can't really be a standalone food like the other 2. But its the #1 to add to a dish by far.
Best sides  
Tuckrule : 7/29/2021 1:18 pm : link
Sautéed spinach
Burnt broccoli
Brussel sprouts
popcorn isn't a vegetable  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2021 1:26 pm : link
and a hot dog isn't a sandwich
what ever the  
Boatie Warrant : 7/29/2021 1:27 pm : link
Cow, Chicken or Turkey ate!
Corn is a grain not a vegetable. It always blows my mind  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2021 1:37 pm : link
people conflate that. Does anyone conflate rice for a vegetable?

And hotdog isn't a sandwich, a sandwich has two seperate slices of bread. So unless you eat a hotdog like a fucking psychopath, it isn't a sandwich.
The top 3 veggies as sides:  
Rick in Dallas : 7/29/2021 1:38 pm : link
Asparagus
Cauliflower
Brussel Sprouts

No doubt for cooking onions and garlic are mainstays.
Sauteed Broccoli Rabe/Broccolini  
AcesUp : 7/29/2021 1:41 pm : link
Could eat a plate of that as a meal and be happy.
Narrowing this down to specific uses:  
81_Great_Dane : 7/29/2021 1:42 pm : link
For grilling:
Eggplant
Broccolini
Carrots (Cut lengthwise into 1/4"-thick planks. Olive oil, salt and pepper, grill until they have some char on them. Really good.)

honorable mention: asparagus and shishito peppers (the peppers work great caveman style.)
RE: Tomatoes are a  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 7/29/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15316342 tyrik13 said:
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Fruit and they cause inflammation.


Everyone I know these days is like:

"Omg tomatoes cause inflammation and they have CARBS" *gasp*



Yet somehow McDonald's still sells 65 million hamburgers a day.

I try to eat healthy most if the time but I'm not going to worry about tomatoes.
Side dishes is dodging the question  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2021 1:48 pm : link
those are essentially meals not individual foods
Nightshades, like tomatoes, only cause inflammation in certain  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2021 1:59 pm : link
people. Not sure I'd stay away from them unless you notice they affect you. I'm a nut about this stuff and have never noticed inflammation from tomatoes or potatoes.
RE: Corn is a grain not a vegetable. It always blows my mind  
giants#1 : 7/29/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15316498 Zeke's Alibi said:
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people conflate that. Does anyone conflate rice for a vegetable?

And hotdog isn't a sandwich, a sandwich has two seperate slices of bread. So unless you eat a hotdog like a fucking psychopath, it isn't a sandwich.


That basically rules out everything you'd get at Subway/Jimmy Johns/Favorite Sub Shop.
RE: RE: Corn is a grain not a vegetable. It always blows my mind  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15316549 giants#1 said:
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In comment 15316498 Zeke's Alibi said:


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people conflate that. Does anyone conflate rice for a vegetable?

And hotdog isn't a sandwich, a sandwich has two seperate slices of bread. So unless you eat a hotdog like a fucking psychopath, it isn't a sandwich.



That basically rules out everything you'd get at Subway/Jimmy Johns/Favorite Sub Shop.


Right. I agree with that. Subs, hoagies, whatever you want to call them are a different category.
Tomatoes are a fruit  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/29/2021 2:20 pm : link

Also...

Peppers are a fruit
Eggplants are a fruit
Zucchini are a fruit
Cucumbers are a fruit
Green beans are a fruit
Peas are a fruit
Avocados are a fruit
Corn is a fruit
Okra are a fruit
Winter squash (eg: Butternut) are a fruit

They are also all vegetables. Let’s not get our panties in a wad over technical botanical terms.
RE: Side dishes is dodging the question  
AcesUp : 7/29/2021 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15316524 UConn4523 said:
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those are essentially meals not individual foods


Well then it's a boring discussion because any answer that doesn't have Onions and Garlic is just wrong or the person doesn't cook. Bill shut the door there in the OP.
Also  
thomasa510 : 7/29/2021 2:31 pm : link
Also, tomatoes taste terrible, unless you grow them in a garden
RE: Best sides  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15316442 Tuckrule said:
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Sautéed spinach
Burnt broccoli
Brussel sprouts


Have you tried charred, which I assume is the same as burnt, brussel sprouts. They're excellent also. Spinach, burnt, probably not so much.
RE: popcorn isn't a vegetable  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15316463 UConn4523 said:
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and a hot dog isn't a sandwich


Get off of my lawn
RE: RE: If tomatoes were really a fruit  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15316360 giants#1 said:
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In comment 15316347 Bill in UT said:


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they would be sold in the fruit aisle. Just like tomatillos, which are supposedly berries. Case closed :)



Shoprite usually has fresh mozz right next to the tomatoes. Does that make mozz a vegetable (fruit)?


I don't know. Maybe it makes tomatoes a cheese.
RE: RE: Tomatoes are a  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15316523 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 15316342 tyrik13 said:


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Fruit and they cause inflammation.



Everyone I know these days is like:

"Omg tomatoes cause inflammation and they have CARBS" *gasp*




Yet somehow McDonald's still sells 65 million hamburgers a day.

I try to eat healthy most if the time but I'm not going to worry about tomatoes.


Onions are actually fairly high in carbs, but IDGAF
RE: what ever the  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15316467 Boatie Warrant said:
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Cow, Chicken or Turkey ate!


yeah, someone said something like "I get my vegetables by feeding them to cow and pigs"
RE: Yes, I like onion and garlic too but putting those aside  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15316405 Jimmy Googs said:
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as being part of many cooking processes, my favorite side dish vegetables are:

Collards Greens
Asparagus
Brussels Sprouts


I've never eaten collard or mustard greens. Have you had mustard?
RE: Corn is a grain not a vegetable. It always blows my mind  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15316498 Zeke's Alibi said:
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people conflate that. Does anyone conflate rice for a vegetable?

And hotdog isn't a sandwich, a sandwich has two seperate slices of bread. So unless you eat a hotdog like a fucking psychopath, it isn't a sandwich.


So, if I put some mustard on a slice of bread, put a couple of slices or salami on it, and fold it in half and eat it, it's not a sandwich?
RE: Corn is a grain not a vegetable. It always blows my mind  
Big Al : 7/29/2021 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15316498 Zeke's Alibi said:
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people conflate that. Does anyone conflate rice for a vegetable?

And hotdog isn't a sandwich, a sandwich has two seperate slices of bread. So unless you eat a hotdog like a fucking psychopath, it isn't a sandwich.
If you have ever made the mistake of using a Shoprite hot dog bun, a hot dog is a sandwich by that definition.
If you need 2 distinct slices of bread,  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 3:50 pm : link
a taco, a gyro (or anything stuffed in a pita), or a Chinese bao bun would also not be sandwiches. A chili dog probably would be a sandwich, cause you can't keep the damn bun from falling apart.
as a matter of clarifacation  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/29/2021 5:30 pm : link
tomato is actually both a fruit and a vegetable

vegetable is a cook's term

fruit is the botanical description, being produced after fertilization of the flower and containing the seeds of the plant

onions are a stem botanically

potatoes are a tuber (swollen root) botanically

just sayin : )

RE: as a matter of clarifacation  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15316792 gidiefor said:
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tomato is actually both a fruit and a vegetable

vegetable is a cook's term

fruit is the botanical description, being produced after fertilization of the flower and containing the seeds of the plant

onions are a stem botanically

potatoes are a tuber (swollen root) botanically

just sayin : )


Thanks you, Gidie. Since I declare this to be a cooking thread, we will go with the cook's definition. :)
Three for me...  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/29/2021 5:40 pm : link
1. Corn
2. Potato
3. Garlic

:thumbsup:
RE: RE: what ever the  
cuty suzuki : 7/29/2021 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15316617 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15316467 Boatie Warrant said:


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Cow, Chicken or Turkey ate!



yeah, someone said something like "I get my vegetables by feeding them to cow and pigs"



I saw something about vegan beef (some kind of fake stuff) recently, but my first thought was that all beef is vegan because they are grain fed or grass fed.
RE: Three for me...  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2021 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15316803 Grey Pilgrim said:
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1. Corn
2. Potato
3. Garlic

:thumbsup:


You named about 1.5 vegetables.
RE: RE: Three for me...  
Bill in UT : 7/29/2021 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15316819 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15316803 Grey Pilgrim said:


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1. Corn
2. Potato
3. Garlic

:thumbsup:



You named about 1.5 vegetables.


Those all qualify as vegetables on this thread. As does ketchup.
RE: RE: Yes, I like onion and garlic too but putting those aside  
Jimmy Googs : 7/29/2021 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15316620 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15316405 Jimmy Googs said:


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as being part of many cooking processes, my favorite side dish vegetables are:

Collards Greens
Asparagus
Brussels Sprouts



I've never eaten collard or mustard greens. Have you had mustard?


Yep, mustard greens are a bit stronger, peppery flavor. I enjoy collards much more although the manner in which they are prepared (at least in South) probably ruins a good bit of the health benefits.

Nevertheless, they are fabulous if done right and matched with grilled fish or pork dishes...
Yea tomatoes are fruit  
Giant John : 7/29/2021 8:55 pm : link
Even for some BBI folks.
Botanically a fruit  
jhibb : 7/29/2021 9:53 pm : link
but a culinary vegetable.

Also legally a vegetable (here in the U.S.):

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Finally, on May 10, 1893, just over ten years after the tariff was passed, the Supreme Court made its ruling. The unanimous decision, delivered by Justice Horace Gray, read as follows:

“Botanically speaking, tomatoes are the fruit of a vine, just as are cucumbers, squashes, beans, and peas. But in the common language of the people, whether sellers or consumers of provisions, all these are vegetables which are grown in kitchen gardens, and which, whether eaten cooked or raw, are, like potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, beets, cauliflower, cabbage, celery, and lettuce, usually served at dinner in, with, or after the soup, fish, or meats which constitute the principal part of the repast, and not, like fruits generally, as dessert.”

In the end, after Nix & Co.’s many days in court, a decision was reached: the tomato is a vegetable, and if you import them, you have to pay the tax. Legally, the tomato remains a vegetable in the United States to this very day.


https://www.trueorbetter.com/2018/10/american-tomatoes-are-legally-vegetables.html - ( New Window )
Easy  
Jalapeno : 7/30/2021 9:55 am : link
Pickles
Jalapenos
Humpty Dumpty Potato Chips
and corn on the cob (as distinguished from the dried kernels)  
Del Shofner : 7/30/2021 11:28 am : link
is also considered a vegetable.
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I need a rules clarification  
TXRabbit : 7/30/2021 6:33 pm : link
Are mushrooms considered a vegetable?
RE: I need a rules clarification  
Bill in UT : 7/30/2021 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15318072 TXRabbit said:
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Are mushrooms considered a vegetable?

By decree, they are
Broccolini, butternut squash, Brussels sprouts  
adamg : 7/31/2021 6:59 am : link
The killer bs baby
RE: RE: I need a rules clarification  
Jimmy Googs : 7/31/2021 8:55 am : link
In comment 15318083 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15318072 TXRabbit said:


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Are mushrooms considered a vegetable?


By decree, they are


Where's the cooking thread for this weekend?

Having grilled salmon on Sunday night but need some ideas for tonight...
RE: RE: RE: I need a rules clarification  
Bill in UT : 7/31/2021 9:21 am : link
In comment 15318238 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15318083 Bill in UT said:


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In comment 15318072 TXRabbit said:


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Are mushrooms considered a vegetable?


By decree, they are



Where's the cooking thread for this weekend?

Having grilled salmon on Sunday night but need some ideas for tonight...


I guess you expected me to post that thread? OK, I did
cumquats,  
manh george : 7/31/2021 1:49 pm : link
rutabaga, parsnips.

Special mention to kale.
RE: cumquats,  
Bill in UT : 7/31/2021 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15318384 manh george said:
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rutabaga, parsnips.

Special mention to kale.


I've only had cumquats as an Asian dessert. Haven't had rutabaga. Like parsnips a lot, had twice last week
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