sure feels like Kelvin Benjamin could have lost the weight, gained weight or stayed the same and he was never making it thru this much of this camp. Judge didn't want him.
And it probably has something to do with him not being a football player any longer...
1) You were told to lose weight down to 251
2) You not only didn't lose the weight asked you actually gained more weight.
3) It doesn't matter how you did in the tests they give, you blatantly disobeyed the directives given to you. That is it, end of story.
For those of us that wanted BB as head coach numerous times, this is exactly a BB type move. The point of doing it on the field is to make a point to all and to see how the player reacts. The fact that KB handled his own mistake by acting even worse was the final nail.
When you want something badly you go get it. When you think you are owed something you do as you please regardless of directions, input or advice. KB is a product of his own choices, attitude and ego.
sure feels like Kelvin Benjamin could have lost the weight, gained weight or stayed the same and he was never making it thru this much of this camp. Judge didn't want him.
There you go again, you promised us "nothing" (which would be a huge upgrade) but you give us the usual garbage. You don't know that Judge didn't want him and ought not to present opinion or conjecture as fact.
none of this would've happened. The odds of this guy turning into something for us when he's failed numerous times over the past several years were quite slim. I wish Judge could make the signings from now on.
RE: If Gettleman didn't sign this guy to begin with,
none of this would've happened. The odds of this guy turning into something for us when he's failed numerous times over the past several years were quite slim. I wish Judge could make the signings from now on.
He didn't cost us anything, he's no longer signed and with no penalties accrued.
Did signing Benjamin to a fully non-guaranteed contract prevent us from doing something else?
RE: RE: If Gettleman didn't sign this guy to begin with,
none of this would've happened. The odds of this guy turning into something for us when he's failed numerous times over the past several years were quite slim. I wish Judge could make the signings from now on.
He didn't cost us anything, he's no longer signed and with no penalties accrued.
Did signing Benjamin to a fully non-guaranteed contract prevent us from doing something else?
I realize all of that. But I'm sure they're not thrilled that they had to have a public spat with eachother that covered and followed up by him bashing the coach and organization. Not a huge deal, but I'm sure if they had a choice they'd rather none of that have happened.
but knowing Judge he probably forgot about Benjamin the moment he kicked him off the team so I don't think it effects anyone on the team negatively. Maybe the PR department got an interesting week but I doubt anyone really cares.
sure feels like Kelvin Benjamin could have lost the weight, gained weight or stayed the same and he was never making it thru this much of this camp. Judge didn't want him.
There you go again, you promised us "nothing" (which would be a huge upgrade) but you give us the usual garbage. You don't know that Judge didn't want him and ought not to present opinion or conjecture as fact.
You know how I know Judge didn't want him?
He got released before warm-ups had even finished on the very first day of camp. Benjamin lasted about 10 minutes longer than you would have if you jogged out of the lockerroom with a NYG uniform on.
Whether you want to analyze my comment as opinion, conjecture or fact makes no difference.
The team gave KB a playing weight target he had to hit. And in complete defiance, he missed that by 17 pounds. He then compounded that with his complete lack of professionalism by acting like a 17 year old and complaining.
but criticizing him for signing Benjamin is absurd. They would have paid the guy pocket change for being in camp, and was not signed at the expense of signing someone else.
He was a former first round pick who may have seemed earnest at the time about getting in shape and playing football. No risk with upside potential.
The only person carrying any blame here is Benjamin.
“He’s very intense, but I feel like he prepares us each and every day for the game,” Lawrence said. So for us, it gets us excited for practice. I don’t know anybody that doesn’t like him. He relates to guys. He listens to us. He respects us. We respect him."
Whether you want to analyze my comment as opinion, conjecture or fact makes no difference.
Of course it does. In your compulsive need to criticize you present conjecture as fact and don't even understand the difference.
You do not KNOW that Judge didn't want the guy....
For months "Gettleman didn't have to give up picks, he could have waited and signed him in free agency"
Your rants presented that as fact, not conjecture. You don't KNOW that we could have signed him if he'd spent the year with The Jets and reached Free Agency. We got his services for a year, we got to see him up close and personal. Forest DeBruckner cost a top 15 first rounder...but still you ranted; called Gettleman a "fool" "buffon" and an "embarrassment".
Then you whine on other threads about the way you're treated and assert your right to be critical. Of course you do and a reasonable case can be made for all your positions but you don't have the necessary skills to do it and lose credibility through an excessive singularity, by presenting what "you think" as fact, and by an unevenness that suggests you are motivated by need and not a rational process.
But it's always entertaining to watch you whine...I don't get any respect".
but criticizing him for signing Benjamin is absurd.
Disagree. DG deserves criticism for bringing Benjamin on board, especially with the way it turned out. For all we know, Benjamin got a shot here instead of some other young, hungry player who could have contributed something.
And he only got that shot because of his name and the fact that DG wanted to resurrect his career.
And he was being asked to play a position that he's never played before, which made it even more unlikely to work.
It was a dumb experiment from jump and DG deserves the blame for that.
Whether you want to analyze my comment as opinion, conjecture or fact makes no difference.
Of course it does. In your compulsive need to criticize you present conjecture as fact and don't even understand the difference.
You do not KNOW that Judge didn't want the guy....
For months "Gettleman didn't have to give up picks, he could have waited and signed him in free agency"
Your rants presented that as fact, not conjecture. You don't KNOW that we could have signed him if he'd spent the year with The Jets and reached Free Agency. We got his services for a year, we got to see him up close and personal. Forest DeBruckner cost a top 15 first rounder...but still you ranted; called Gettleman a "fool" "buffon" and an "embarrassment".
Then you whine on other threads about the way you're treated and assert your right to be critical. Of course you do and a reasonable case can be made for all your positions but you don't have the necessary skills to do it and lose credibility through an excessive singularity, by presenting what "you think" as fact, and by an unevenness that suggests you are motivated by need and not a rational process.
But it's always entertaining to watch you whine...I don't get any respect".
Ahh, the 3am hit and run post that you seem to enjoy. The above is quite an embarrassing mess of, shall I say “thoughts”? But is your norm I guess.
Oh, and Judge didn’t want the guy. And now he’s gone...
but criticizing him for signing Benjamin is absurd.
Disagree. DG deserves criticism for bringing Benjamin on board, especially with the way it turned out. For all we know, Benjamin got a shot here instead of some other young, hungry player who could have contributed something.
And he only got that shot because of his name and the fact that DG wanted to resurrect his career.
And he was being asked to play a position that he's never played before, which made it even more unlikely to work.
It was a dumb experiment from jump and DG deserves the blame for that.
You don’t honestly believe that Benjamin prevented them from bringing in someone else that they liked instead, do you?
but criticizing him for signing Benjamin is absurd.
Disagree. DG deserves criticism for bringing Benjamin on board, especially with the way it turned out. For all we know, Benjamin got a shot here instead of some other young, hungry player who could have contributed something.
And he only got that shot because of his name and the fact that DG wanted to resurrect his career.
And he was being asked to play a position that he's never played before, which made it even more unlikely to work.
It was a dumb experiment from jump and DG deserves the blame for that.
No one got bumped for Benjamin and they will now back fill him anyway, the season doesn't start tomorrow. And in theory the alleged person that was passed over for Benjamin would now be there, no?
It was a non guaranteed contract and he got cut, just like tons of players across the league - did all those GM's fuck up too? Gentleman deserves heat for plenty of things but this is the biggest reach ive seen to date.
He mocked team rules and then threw a media temper tantrum after he got cut. Bubble players don't typically do that.
That's a distraction to the team. As much as I love what Bradberry said, do you think he wants to be talking about this subject right now?
Just because you say its a distraction doesn't mean its true, you know that right? And while you are taking the cynical angle there's the glass half full angle of this sending a message and being good for the team. Not saying that's true, but I'd say its more likely than what you are claiming.
I suspect he's gone and forgotten by now and the only people that care or even think about it are random people that don't have anything to do with the organization (like you).
Did the right thing. The signing was all Gettleman bringing in one of his guys either as a favour or in the small chance it worked out to make him look brilliant . The sooner they give personnel decisions to Judge and give Gettleman his retirement gold watch the better
that Bradberry's response has the potential of making this transaction a net positive for the team.
I would argue good GMs tend to avoid these situations to begin with.
Well GM Billy B does this a lot, both taking a shot on someone that's had issues or is over the hill, and cutting people to send a message.
Les in TO - so Gettelman only signed him to maybe be called a genius? You realize how ridiculous that claim is, right? A more reasonable stance is that he tried to improve the team, even marginally, and the end result was a cut player with no cap repercussions whatsoever.
He mocked team rules and then threw a media temper tantrum after he got cut. Bubble players don't typically do that.
That's a distraction to the team. As much as I love what Bradberry said, do you think he wants to be talking about this subject right now?
We do not know if he threw the tantrum after he got cut or after he was called out and fined for mocking team rules. Either way does not look good for Benjamin.
if you could cite an example of Belichick taking a chance on an over the hill guy that he drafted himself AND asked him to play a different position.
I said he takes chances on players, and has a lot. If you are asking my for an exact mirroring of this scenario than I don't have one for you. He wasn't an ex GM that drafted players somewhere else and then brought them to the new team.
You know your stance is preposterous, no idea why you are dying on this hill. I'm done with this though, this couldn't be any more irrelevant.
Did the right thing. The signing was all Gettleman bringing in one of his guys either as a favour or in the small chance it worked out to make him look brilliant . The sooner they give personnel decisions to Judge and give Gettleman his retirement gold watch the better
It was a bad decision from the get-go by the GM, whatever the reasons. At least someone in the organization was smart enough to ensure DG didn't put any guaranteed money at risk, and only wasted the coaching staff's time.
And as mentioned, Judge made sure that wasted time was minimal as well since it is obvious now he never wanted Benjamin.
Did the right thing. The signing was all Gettleman bringing in one of his guys either as a favour or in the small chance it worked out to make him look brilliant . The sooner they give personnel decisions to Judge and give Gettleman his retirement gold watch the better
It was a bad decision from the get-go by the GM, whatever the reasons. At least someone in the organization was smart enough to ensure DG didn't put any guaranteed money at risk, and only wasted the coaching staff's time.
And as mentioned, Judge made sure that wasted time was minimal as well since it is obvious now he never wanted Benjamin.
Why are you assuming someone else in the organization was responsible for ensuring DG didn't give Benjamin guaranteed money? You are just assuming DG wanted to and someone had to stop him.
I also don't understand why you are assuming that Judge didn't want him at camp? Judge didn't want him at camp out of shape. What is the basis for assuming Judge said no initially but DG signed him anyway?
There are plenty of decisions DG has made that warrant criticism. Assuming even benign moves are only benign because someone else stepped in and prevented DG from doing something dumb just makes you look like you have an axe to grind and you aren't being constrained by facts.
Going on in this thread to find anything to hit DG with. From theories about Benjamin being forced on the team to possible lost roster spots.
Not one player was overlooked when we signed Benjamin. In fact, our rookie mini-camp (which KB was a part of) was much smaller than usual so there was plenty of room for other players if the Giants wanted them. He also cost nothing for the Giants to cut since there was no signing bonus nor guarantee he'd make the team.
If you going to slam DG at least utilize some modicum of fact to back it up
Did the right thing. The signing was all Gettleman bringing in one of his guys either as a favour or in the small chance it worked out to make him look brilliant . The sooner they give personnel decisions to Judge and give Gettleman his retirement gold watch the better
It was a bad decision from the get-go by the GM, whatever the reasons. At least someone in the organization was smart enough to ensure DG didn't put any guaranteed money at risk, and only wasted the coaching staff's time.
And as mentioned, Judge made sure that wasted time was minimal as well since it is obvious now he never wanted Benjamin.
Why are you assuming someone else in the organization was responsible for ensuring DG didn't give Benjamin guaranteed money? You are just assuming DG wanted to and someone had to stop him. MAYBE IT WAS DG HIMSELF. HE SURE WANTED BENJAMIN TO BE A GIANT SO WHO KNOWS. REGARDLESS, GOOD NEWS THERE WAS NO GTD $ BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WASTE OF MONEY.
I also don't understand why you are assuming that Judge didn't want him at camp? Judge didn't want him at camp out of shape. What is the basis for assuming Judge said no initially but DG signed him anyway? IF JUDGE WANTED HIM HE WOULD STILL BE HERE. JUDGE DIDN'T EVEN GIVE HIM A CHANCE. READ BENJAMIN'S COMMENTS AND BETWEEN THE LINES.
There are plenty of decisions DG has made that warrant criticism. Assuming even benign moves are only benign because someone else stepped in and prevented DG from doing something dumb just makes you look like you have an axe to grind and you aren't being constrained by facts. NEVER SUGGESTED THIS WAS A BIG DEAL NOR WARRANTS ANY BIG-TIME CRITICISM. ONLY SUGGESTING IT WAS A MISTAKE AND IT WAS DG'S BECAUSE JUDGE DIDN'T WANT HIM OR HE'D STILL BE IN CAMP.
Going on in this thread to find anything to hit DG with. From theories about Benjamin being forced on the team to possible lost roster spots.
Not one player was overlooked when we signed Benjamin. In fact, our rookie mini-camp (which KB was a part of) was much smaller than usual so there was plenty of room for other players if the Giants wanted them. He also cost nothing for the Giants to cut since there was no signing bonus nor guarantee he'd make the team.
If you going to slam DG at least utilize some modicum of fact to back it up
Agree on no cost issue and not really a lost roster spot with KB. Really only wasting coaches time with signing as he was no longer a football player, and Judge saw it and got rid of him.
that Bradberry's response has the potential of making this transaction a net positive for the team.
I would argue good GMs tend to avoid these situations to begin with.
Well GM Billy B does this a lot, both taking a shot on someone that's had issues or is over the hill, and cutting people to send a message.
Les in TO - so Gettelman only signed him to maybe be called a genius? You realize how ridiculous that claim is, right? A more reasonable stance is that he tried to improve the team, even marginally, and the end result was a cut player with no cap repercussions whatsoever.
You guys are making things up.
it’s more likely a favour for someone he has a natural affinity towards. Either way it was a weird signing to expect Benjamin - after being out of football for so long - that he would suddenly be an improvement at a position he’s never played in the pros. contracts should be awarded on merit not friendships.
he got a try out with a piece of paper that said what he’d make if he made the team. Whether you think it’s weird, or he did him a favor, or whatever else you want to think makes absolutely zero difference. I cannot believe how much some of you are twisting this.
Other than the roster spot thing, nobody is really twisting anything.
he got a try out with a piece of paper that said what he’d make if he made the team. Whether you think it’s weird, or he did him a favor, or whatever else you want to think makes absolutely zero difference. I cannot believe how much some of you are twisting this.
Right? They tried something out of the box that "didn't work." Ironically, it did work as it seems to strengthen the unity of the team. You show up completely blowing by the expectations put on you? Your out, just speaks more to accountability. It's hard for me not to imagine they knew what the outcome of this was going to be based on the size of the fine. They could of just cut him, but they gave him a chance to stay based on the expectations they set, he refused. Accountability.
he got a try out with a piece of paper that said what he’d make if he made the team. Whether you think it’s weird, or he did him a favor, or whatever else you want to think makes absolutely zero difference. I cannot believe how much some of you are twisting this.
true. But maybe that try out could have been given to someone more deserving and who wouldn’t create such a shitstorm after being cut. Not the first time DG has failed with his Panthers-coloured glasses much like Dan Reeves turning the Giants into the NJ Broncos.
Benjamin is no longer here and the Giants can invite anyone or sign anyone to take his tryout slot. And there’s 31 other teams that have potential openings too.
Looking forward to the thread assessing the Giants choices for team movie night.
that he was cut not for not losing the weight, but for gaining some on top of it and his attitude. I would bet if he came in a little lighter, but not at the goal, they say they're disappointed, work him hard, but keep him around at least to start camp. But, he didn't lose a single pound and he didn't stay the same. Instead, he gained weight and threw it in the Giants' faces. That's on him.
By the way, it wasn't like the Giants were paying him
or he got some kind of signing or camp bonus so he was going to have to come out of pocket to pay the fine. A guy who hasn't played pro ball for 3 years. Judge knew exactly what he was doing.
I guess Getty could have spotted him the dough for the fine...
The next step is the team needs to win more. If they don't then we will hear more bellyaching. This is true of any HC.
And it probably has something to do with him not being a football player any longer...
1) You were told to lose weight down to 251
2) You not only didn't lose the weight asked you actually gained more weight.
3) It doesn't matter how you did in the tests they give, you blatantly disobeyed the directives given to you. That is it, end of story.
For those of us that wanted BB as head coach numerous times, this is exactly a BB type move. The point of doing it on the field is to make a point to all and to see how the player reacts. The fact that KB handled his own mistake by acting even worse was the final nail.
When you want something badly you go get it. When you think you are owed something you do as you please regardless of directions, input or advice. KB is a product of his own choices, attitude and ego.
There you go again, you promised us "nothing" (which would be a huge upgrade) but you give us the usual garbage. You don't know that Judge didn't want him and ought not to present opinion or conjecture as fact.
He didn't cost us anything, he's no longer signed and with no penalties accrued.
Did signing Benjamin to a fully non-guaranteed contract prevent us from doing something else?
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none of this would've happened. The odds of this guy turning into something for us when he's failed numerous times over the past several years were quite slim. I wish Judge could make the signings from now on.
He didn't cost us anything, he's no longer signed and with no penalties accrued.
Did signing Benjamin to a fully non-guaranteed contract prevent us from doing something else?
I realize all of that. But I'm sure they're not thrilled that they had to have a public spat with eachother that covered and followed up by him bashing the coach and organization. Not a huge deal, but I'm sure if they had a choice they'd rather none of that have happened.
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sure feels like Kelvin Benjamin could have lost the weight, gained weight or stayed the same and he was never making it thru this much of this camp. Judge didn't want him.
There you go again, you promised us "nothing" (which would be a huge upgrade) but you give us the usual garbage. You don't know that Judge didn't want him and ought not to present opinion or conjecture as fact.
You know how I know Judge didn't want him?
He got released before warm-ups had even finished on the very first day of camp. Benjamin lasted about 10 minutes longer than you would have if you jogged out of the lockerroom with a NYG uniform on.
Whether you want to analyze my comment as opinion, conjecture or fact makes no difference.
I'm glad he got cut. He deserved it.
It's really getting boring.
it is hard to lose weight when all you do during the off season is play video games and smoke weed all day
He was a former first round pick who may have seemed earnest at the time about getting in shape and playing football. No risk with upside potential.
The only person carrying any blame here is Benjamin.
That's our coach... Grateful to have him.
Of course it does. In your compulsive need to criticize you present conjecture as fact and don't even understand the difference.
You do not KNOW that Judge didn't want the guy....
For months "Gettleman didn't have to give up picks, he could have waited and signed him in free agency"
Your rants presented that as fact, not conjecture. You don't KNOW that we could have signed him if he'd spent the year with The Jets and reached Free Agency. We got his services for a year, we got to see him up close and personal. Forest DeBruckner cost a top 15 first rounder...but still you ranted; called Gettleman a "fool" "buffon" and an "embarrassment".
Then you whine on other threads about the way you're treated and assert your right to be critical. Of course you do and a reasonable case can be made for all your positions but you don't have the necessary skills to do it and lose credibility through an excessive singularity, by presenting what "you think" as fact, and by an unevenness that suggests you are motivated by need and not a rational process.
But it's always entertaining to watch you whine...I don't get any respect".
He won't call a player an asshole, for example, but he might tell him to get his head out of his fucking ass. Subtle, but important distinction.
If Benjamin can't handle the latter type of cursing, then he's in the wrong profession.
Disagree. DG deserves criticism for bringing Benjamin on board, especially with the way it turned out. For all we know, Benjamin got a shot here instead of some other young, hungry player who could have contributed something.
And he only got that shot because of his name and the fact that DG wanted to resurrect his career.
And he was being asked to play a position that he's never played before, which made it even more unlikely to work.
It was a dumb experiment from jump and DG deserves the blame for that.
Of course it does. In your compulsive need to criticize you present conjecture as fact and don't even understand the difference.
You do not KNOW that Judge didn't want the guy....
For months "Gettleman didn't have to give up picks, he could have waited and signed him in free agency"
Your rants presented that as fact, not conjecture. You don't KNOW that we could have signed him if he'd spent the year with The Jets and reached Free Agency. We got his services for a year, we got to see him up close and personal. Forest DeBruckner cost a top 15 first rounder...but still you ranted; called Gettleman a "fool" "buffon" and an "embarrassment".
Then you whine on other threads about the way you're treated and assert your right to be critical. Of course you do and a reasonable case can be made for all your positions but you don't have the necessary skills to do it and lose credibility through an excessive singularity, by presenting what "you think" as fact, and by an unevenness that suggests you are motivated by need and not a rational process.
But it's always entertaining to watch you whine...I don't get any respect".
Ahh, the 3am hit and run post that you seem to enjoy. The above is quite an embarrassing mess of, shall I say “thoughts”? But is your norm I guess.
Oh, and Judge didn’t want the guy. And now he’s gone...
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but criticizing him for signing Benjamin is absurd.
Disagree. DG deserves criticism for bringing Benjamin on board, especially with the way it turned out. For all we know, Benjamin got a shot here instead of some other young, hungry player who could have contributed something.
And he only got that shot because of his name and the fact that DG wanted to resurrect his career.
And he was being asked to play a position that he's never played before, which made it even more unlikely to work.
It was a dumb experiment from jump and DG deserves the blame for that.
You don’t honestly believe that Benjamin prevented them from bringing in someone else that they liked instead, do you?
But yes, I do feel comfortable believing that were Benjamin never signed, some other kid would've had a shot in his place.
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but criticizing him for signing Benjamin is absurd.
Disagree. DG deserves criticism for bringing Benjamin on board, especially with the way it turned out. For all we know, Benjamin got a shot here instead of some other young, hungry player who could have contributed something.
And he only got that shot because of his name and the fact that DG wanted to resurrect his career.
And he was being asked to play a position that he's never played before, which made it even more unlikely to work.
It was a dumb experiment from jump and DG deserves the blame for that.
No one got bumped for Benjamin and they will now back fill him anyway, the season doesn't start tomorrow. And in theory the alleged person that was passed over for Benjamin would now be there, no?
It was a non guaranteed contract and he got cut, just like tons of players across the league - did all those GM's fuck up too? Gentleman deserves heat for plenty of things but this is the biggest reach ive seen to date.
That's a distraction to the team. As much as I love what Bradberry said, do you think he wants to be talking about this subject right now?
That's a distraction to the team. As much as I love what Bradberry said, do you think he wants to be talking about this subject right now?
Just because you say its a distraction doesn't mean its true, you know that right? And while you are taking the cynical angle there's the glass half full angle of this sending a message and being good for the team. Not saying that's true, but I'd say its more likely than what you are claiming.
I suspect he's gone and forgotten by now and the only people that care or even think about it are random people that don't have anything to do with the organization (like you).
I would argue good GMs tend to avoid these situations to begin with.
I would argue good GMs tend to avoid these situations to begin with.
Well GM Billy B does this a lot, both taking a shot on someone that's had issues or is over the hill, and cutting people to send a message.
Les in TO - so Gettelman only signed him to maybe be called a genius? You realize how ridiculous that claim is, right? A more reasonable stance is that he tried to improve the team, even marginally, and the end result was a cut player with no cap repercussions whatsoever.
You guys are making things up.
That's a distraction to the team. As much as I love what Bradberry said, do you think he wants to be talking about this subject right now?
We do not know if he threw the tantrum after he got cut or after he was called out and fined for mocking team rules. Either way does not look good for Benjamin.
I said he takes chances on players, and has a lot. If you are asking my for an exact mirroring of this scenario than I don't have one for you. He wasn't an ex GM that drafted players somewhere else and then brought them to the new team.
You know your stance is preposterous, no idea why you are dying on this hill. I'm done with this though, this couldn't be any more irrelevant.
It was a bad decision from the get-go by the GM, whatever the reasons. At least someone in the organization was smart enough to ensure DG didn't put any guaranteed money at risk, and only wasted the coaching staff's time.
And as mentioned, Judge made sure that wasted time was minimal as well since it is obvious now he never wanted Benjamin.
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Did the right thing. The signing was all Gettleman bringing in one of his guys either as a favour or in the small chance it worked out to make him look brilliant . The sooner they give personnel decisions to Judge and give Gettleman his retirement gold watch the better
It was a bad decision from the get-go by the GM, whatever the reasons. At least someone in the organization was smart enough to ensure DG didn't put any guaranteed money at risk, and only wasted the coaching staff's time.
And as mentioned, Judge made sure that wasted time was minimal as well since it is obvious now he never wanted Benjamin.
Why are you assuming someone else in the organization was responsible for ensuring DG didn't give Benjamin guaranteed money? You are just assuming DG wanted to and someone had to stop him.
I also don't understand why you are assuming that Judge didn't want him at camp? Judge didn't want him at camp out of shape. What is the basis for assuming Judge said no initially but DG signed him anyway?
There are plenty of decisions DG has made that warrant criticism. Assuming even benign moves are only benign because someone else stepped in and prevented DG from doing something dumb just makes you look like you have an axe to grind and you aren't being constrained by facts.
Not one player was overlooked when we signed Benjamin. In fact, our rookie mini-camp (which KB was a part of) was much smaller than usual so there was plenty of room for other players if the Giants wanted them. He also cost nothing for the Giants to cut since there was no signing bonus nor guarantee he'd make the team.
If you going to slam DG at least utilize some modicum of fact to back it up
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Did the right thing. The signing was all Gettleman bringing in one of his guys either as a favour or in the small chance it worked out to make him look brilliant . The sooner they give personnel decisions to Judge and give Gettleman his retirement gold watch the better
It was a bad decision from the get-go by the GM, whatever the reasons. At least someone in the organization was smart enough to ensure DG didn't put any guaranteed money at risk, and only wasted the coaching staff's time.
And as mentioned, Judge made sure that wasted time was minimal as well since it is obvious now he never wanted Benjamin.
Why are you assuming someone else in the organization was responsible for ensuring DG didn't give Benjamin guaranteed money? You are just assuming DG wanted to and someone had to stop him. MAYBE IT WAS DG HIMSELF. HE SURE WANTED BENJAMIN TO BE A GIANT SO WHO KNOWS. REGARDLESS, GOOD NEWS THERE WAS NO GTD $ BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WASTE OF MONEY.
I also don't understand why you are assuming that Judge didn't want him at camp? Judge didn't want him at camp out of shape. What is the basis for assuming Judge said no initially but DG signed him anyway? IF JUDGE WANTED HIM HE WOULD STILL BE HERE. JUDGE DIDN'T EVEN GIVE HIM A CHANCE. READ BENJAMIN'S COMMENTS AND BETWEEN THE LINES.
There are plenty of decisions DG has made that warrant criticism. Assuming even benign moves are only benign because someone else stepped in and prevented DG from doing something dumb just makes you look like you have an axe to grind and you aren't being constrained by facts. NEVER SUGGESTED THIS WAS A BIG DEAL NOR WARRANTS ANY BIG-TIME CRITICISM. ONLY SUGGESTING IT WAS A MISTAKE AND IT WAS DG'S BECAUSE JUDGE DIDN'T WANT HIM OR HE'D STILL BE IN CAMP.
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Not one player was overlooked when we signed Benjamin. In fact, our rookie mini-camp (which KB was a part of) was much smaller than usual so there was plenty of room for other players if the Giants wanted them. He also cost nothing for the Giants to cut since there was no signing bonus nor guarantee he'd make the team.
If you going to slam DG at least utilize some modicum of fact to back it up
Agree on no cost issue and not really a lost roster spot with KB. Really only wasting coaches time with signing as he was no longer a football player, and Judge saw it and got rid of him.
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that Bradberry's response has the potential of making this transaction a net positive for the team.
I would argue good GMs tend to avoid these situations to begin with.
Well GM Billy B does this a lot, both taking a shot on someone that's had issues or is over the hill, and cutting people to send a message.
Les in TO - so Gettelman only signed him to maybe be called a genius? You realize how ridiculous that claim is, right? A more reasonable stance is that he tried to improve the team, even marginally, and the end result was a cut player with no cap repercussions whatsoever.
You guys are making things up.
Right? They tried something out of the box that "didn't work." Ironically, it did work as it seems to strengthen the unity of the team. You show up completely blowing by the expectations put on you? Your out, just speaks more to accountability. It's hard for me not to imagine they knew what the outcome of this was going to be based on the size of the fine. They could of just cut him, but they gave him a chance to stay based on the expectations they set, he refused. Accountability.
Looking forward to the thread assessing the Giants choices for team movie night.
I guess Getty could have spotted him the dough for the fine...