The signing was made by a DG, therefore it was a mistake. However, we should assume it was only a minor mistake because others intervened, although we have no evidence to support that?
Judge did not give Benjamin a chance because he was told to lose 14 pounds and instead gained 3. You think that was just an excuse to get rid of a guy he didn’t want?
The signing was made by a DG, therefore it was a mistake. However, we should assume it was only a minor mistake because others intervened, although we have no evidence to support that?
Judge did not give Benjamin a chance because he was told to lose 14 pounds and instead gained 3. You think that was just an excuse to get rid of a guy he didn’t want?
Just a silly take.
It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
As usual (I don't think you can help yourself) you present conjecture and suppositions ad fact.
Benjamin was little risk, big rewards...IOW's a long shot - Unlikely to come in, but a nice payoff if he did
Enough size to play tight end with the speed of a WR. You bring him to camp.
If the attitude is wrong, you cut the bum and in so doing send a message, the only downside is giving you the chance to call it an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake by Gettleman.
Which it wasn't!!!
As usual (I don't think you can help yourself) you present conjecture and suppositions ad fact.
Benjamin was little risk, big rewards...IOW's a long shot - Unlikely to come in, but a nice payoff if he did
Enough size to play tight end with the speed of a WR. You bring him to camp.
If the attitude is wrong, you cut the bum and in so doing send a message, the only downside is giving you the chance to call it an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake by Gettleman.
Which it wasn't!!!
The midnight strangler is up and awake! I didn’t say it was an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake. I said it was mistake.
And you know how I know that, once again? Real simple...because Judge cut him before he even got to practice one minute in camp.
You are what I would suggest is an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake...
Benjamin because he came to camp overweight. There is no evidence that he cut him because he thought DG made a mistake.
Your compulsive need to criticize notwithstanding.
For all we know JJ begged DG to bring him in. That's my conjecture du jour.
You really do not understand the difference between fact and conjecture.
Benjamin because he came to camp overweight. There is no evidence that he cut him because he thought DG made a mistake.
Your compulsive need to criticize notwithstanding.
For all we know JJ begged DG to bring him in. That's my conjecture du jour.
You really do not understand the difference between fact and conjecture.
No, he was going to fine him for being overweight. But after talking to him for a few minutes Judge realized this was just a waste of time anyway and a mistake to have him at camp so he decided to just cut him.
Whether you dispute those facts or want to refer to them as conjecture makes no difference...
going to release Kelvin Benjamin for being overweight. He was only fining him. Kelvin Benjamin got himself released by acting the way he did.
The leaps and bounds some people are making on here is comical.
Let's look at some facts
1. The giants were not going to sign golladay until judge met him and signed off on it.
2. Most of the drafted players have had SEC ties
3. Joe judge does not seem like the kind of coach to do a favor for someone to just look to get rid of the guy. If he doesn't want him, he would just say so.
Gettleman was not going to charge the hill for Kelvin Benjamin and be upset if judge said no.
Silly comment. Players that practice and try to earn a roster spot during summer camp but ultimately get cut are not mistakes.
Guys that aren’t football players any longer who walk out of the locker room on the first day of camp and don’t even make it onto the practice field for one snap before they get cut are certainly mistakes.
It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
A lot of teams are making a lot of mistakes then. Just look at the players being released and signed throughout the NFL and we aren't through 1 week of training camp yet. Players that were just signed this week will also be released in 2 weeks (if not sooner). More mistakes.
I predict googs will be pointing out all of the mistakes gettleman has made as each player is released as we cut down from 90. Fire gettleman now
Already addressed that earlier. You missed the point
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
I guess it's semantics at this point. To me, this was a low risk gamble that basically every team takes.
A real roster mistake is where the cost-benefit outcome is upside down and there is a material impact to the cap - short and/or long-term - and to the team's performance on the field.
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
I guess it's semantics at this point. To me, this was a low risk gamble that basically every team takes.
A real roster mistake is where the cost-benefit outcome is upside down and there is a material impact to the cap - short and/or long-term - and to the team's performance on the field.
So this situation does not qualify.
I agree with bw here. It was not a mistake to see if KB could play. Many players flourish in a new environment. Players sometimes develop with different coaching that is able to reach that player. There was no money lost. A roster spot for the 90th player who is cut is not that important.
Tom Brady lasting until the 6th round is a mistake. Rocky Thompson taken in the 1st round is a mistake.
Taking a chance on a talented player that may want a 2nd chance on a low cost contract is not a mistake.
Sorry but this thread is about Kelvin Benjamin, a guy who hasn’t suited up in 3 years. And the reasons why aren’t a mystery. This was a waste of the coaches time and Judge shut it down quickly...
Showed he was not serious by showing up overweight, but Judge was only going to find him. Had the altercation not happened Benjamin is more than likely still on the team. More evidence points to this theory than Judge itching to get rid of KB.
Judge did not give Benjamin a chance because he was told to lose 14 pounds and instead gained 3. You think that was just an excuse to get rid of a guy he didn’t want?
Just a silly take.
Judge did not give Benjamin a chance because he was told to lose 14 pounds and instead gained 3. You think that was just an excuse to get rid of a guy he didn’t want?
Just a silly take.
It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
Benjamin was little risk, big rewards...IOW's a long shot - Unlikely to come in, but a nice payoff if he did
Enough size to play tight end with the speed of a WR. You bring him to camp.
If the attitude is wrong, you cut the bum and in so doing send a message, the only downside is giving you the chance to call it an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake by Gettleman.
Which it wasn't!!!
Benjamin was little risk, big rewards...IOW's a long shot - Unlikely to come in, but a nice payoff if he did
Enough size to play tight end with the speed of a WR. You bring him to camp.
If the attitude is wrong, you cut the bum and in so doing send a message, the only downside is giving you the chance to call it an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake by Gettleman.
Which it wasn't!!!
The midnight strangler is up and awake! I didn’t say it was an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake. I said it was mistake.
And you know how I know that, once again? Real simple...because Judge cut him before he even got to practice one minute in camp.
You are what I would suggest is an awful, very bad, really really bad mistake...
Your compulsive need to criticize notwithstanding.
For all we know JJ begged DG to bring him in. That's my conjecture du jour.
You really do not understand the difference between fact and conjecture.
Your compulsive need to criticize notwithstanding.
For all we know JJ begged DG to bring him in. That's my conjecture du jour.
You really do not understand the difference between fact and conjecture.
No, he was going to fine him for being overweight. But after talking to him for a few minutes Judge realized this was just a waste of time anyway and a mistake to have him at camp so he decided to just cut him.
Whether you dispute those facts or want to refer to them as conjecture makes no difference...
The leaps and bounds some people are making on here is comical.
Let's look at some facts
1. The giants were not going to sign golladay until judge met him and signed off on it.
2. Most of the drafted players have had SEC ties
3. Joe judge does not seem like the kind of coach to do a favor for someone to just look to get rid of the guy. If he doesn't want him, he would just say so.
Gettleman was not going to charge the hill for Kelvin Benjamin and be upset if judge said no.
Silly comment. Players that practice and try to earn a roster spot during summer camp but ultimately get cut are not mistakes.
Guys that aren’t football players any longer who walk out of the locker room on the first day of camp and don’t even make it onto the practice field for one snap before they get cut are certainly mistakes.
Do you disagree?
It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
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It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
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It was a mistake...you really want to debate this?
Nobody had to intervene, once he hits the field its on Judge to decide what to do with him. And it took Judge all of 10 minutes on the first day of camp to get rid of him. The weight thing was just the means to an end...
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
A lot of teams are making a lot of mistakes then. Just look at the players being released and signed throughout the NFL and we aren't through 1 week of training camp yet. Players that were just signed this week will also be released in 2 weeks (if not sooner). More mistakes.
I predict googs will be pointing out all of the mistakes gettleman has made as each player is released as we cut down from 90. Fire gettleman now
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
I guess it's semantics at this point. To me, this was a low risk gamble that basically every team takes.
A real roster mistake is where the cost-benefit outcome is upside down and there is a material impact to the cap - short and/or long-term - and to the team's performance on the field.
So this situation does not qualify.
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I'm not sure I would characterize this as a mistake. I think it was more of a low risk/high reward play if KB actually worked out and contributed.
No it was a mistake. It may not have had ramifications to the cap or draft picks like some of DG’s other earlier mistakes, but it was still a clear mistake in evaluating and judging whether a guy was still able to play and act as a professional football player.
He didn’t even make onto the field folks. This was over before it even started...a mistake.
I guess it's semantics at this point. To me, this was a low risk gamble that basically every team takes.
A real roster mistake is where the cost-benefit outcome is upside down and there is a material impact to the cap - short and/or long-term - and to the team's performance on the field.
So this situation does not qualify.
I agree with bw here. It was not a mistake to see if KB could play. Many players flourish in a new environment. Players sometimes develop with different coaching that is able to reach that player. There was no money lost. A roster spot for the 90th player who is cut is not that important.
Tom Brady lasting until the 6th round is a mistake. Rocky Thompson taken in the 1st round is a mistake.
Taking a chance on a talented player that may want a 2nd chance on a low cost contract is not a mistake.
Yep, lasted much longer than Benjamin’s first day at camp...
Joe Judge sucks! I don't need to lose no weight!