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with whatever they do in the trade market and FA from here.

I'd give it a C on it's face as a placeholder, reserving the right to adjust up or down based on what they do with the additional first and how they firm up the roster otherwise.

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Undrafted Clemson F Aamir Simms has agreed to a a deal with the Knicks, source tells ESPN.

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We drafted 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if Grimes was the best value at 25. Trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.

In comment 15317452 Anakim said:

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We drafted 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if Grimes was the best value at 25. Trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.

I actually really like Grimes' game. I was targeting him at 32 all along, so not upset they took him a bit earlier.

The heavy protection on the Charlotte pick is weird, but I don't hate the idea. If there's no one you love increase your flexibility and add a basically equal pick for a future year.

Jericho that late. I’ve been talking him up. Absurd athlete with NBA ready defense.

Kept hearing his name during the last month. Not shocked but a little shocked at where we got him. Thought he would go a little earlier.

Offensively his Midrange is where he leaves, has a killer dribble pull up, on defense he is physical and doesnt back down from anyone, going to be a fun guy to watch..

Im excited about Grimes, he was a top recruit to Kansas and the only reason he transferred was because he was in the draft pool last year and they gave his scholarship away, so when he came back he had to transfer...he carried Houston and dominated at the combine.

I know nothing about the lithuanian guard other than he scored 31 in a game vs lamelo...

Simms same i dont know anything about other than he can jump out of the building..

1 other note, ita clear the Knicks are going to apend money this offseason, they saved money last night and if Mcbride, Simms and the Lithuanian guard take 2 year deals they have no cap hold and knicks can sign them over the cap

In comment 15317454 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15317452 Anakim said: Quote: We drafted 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if Grimes was the best value at 25. Trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value. The heavy protection on the Charlotte pick is weird, but I don't hate the idea. If there's no one you love increase your flexibility and add a basically equal pick for a future year.

Leon did the same thing last year. He traded a very high second round pick (Daniel Oturu) for a future second with the idea being that there will be better talent down the road given the lifting of the age restriction. So yeah, I guess conceivably that heavily-protected Hornets pick could amount to more than the 19th pick this year.

#19 for a future best case #19 or higher? Or a #14 in three years? Makes no sense to me.

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#19 for a future best case #19 or higher? Or a #14 in three years? Makes no sense to me.

The only way I can make sense of it is if they were interested in pushing the pick back so that they can include it in potential trades in the future.

But the value is shit. It can possibly be 5 slots better in like 4 years? And if not it's a couple of 2s? Oy.

Not only that, but I feel like for Charlotte the needle is pointing up. Not really sure why we were so shy about actually making picks.

We turned that rental into Quickley, McBride and the Euro point guard. At the time I foolishly wanted to keep Morris and re-sign him.

But it looks like they made out well.

Everyone wanted a trade up, but I would've hated the overpay price.

There isn't a whole lot of info about him.

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There isn't a whole lot of info about him.

He apparently played against LaMelo Ball in LaMelo's first game in Lithuania. He was actually a year younger than LaMelo at the time and absolutely dominated him.

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Was surprised at 36, they didn't grab Baylor Guard Jared Butler. He was another guy linked to them the last couple of weeks.

Speaks fluent English so that shouldn’t be an issue

was surprised they couldn't move up to get Murphy when he fell to #17. 19 and 21 apparently weren't enough by themselves to move up. My guess is any potential trade partner wanted RJ or Obi to be part of any deal, which was understandably too much for the Knicks. Even 19 and 21 together apparently didn't have a lot of value to teams in front of the Knicks.

Trading #19 for essentially the same pick in the next few years or two second round picks gives them some flexibility in future years. Another draft class may produce a better prospect at that spot, or as others have said, the pick could be traded.

Grimes and McBride are fine. I actually didn't think McBride would be available at #32, let alone #36, but I assume he was because he is only 6'2". I don't know anything about the guy from Europe. Sims looks like a rim protector. My guess is at most these players are backups, which is fine. But it looks like the Knicks decided to punt the draft for FA when their guy was gone.

somehow get Larkin, Drovak, or Krebs onto this roster

to post in the reaves thread

At that point. You can only take so many young guards, you have Quickley already and you will need to sign some vets

info on Jokubaitis out there. Think he was ranked in the high 20's as a prospect by a couple of places so def decent value.

I am not sure how true that is.

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I am not sure how true that is.

Hahaha, that'd be hilarious.


"Fine, Indiana. You win. We'll give you RJ Barrett for Chris Duarte."

on social media and elsewhere but I'm pretty excited about him. Shooting stroke is picture perfect like Allan Houston, he's big, can play some defense, and just glides around the court like he's never in a hurry. I can see him being a really good NBA player.

I can never tell how good those Euro guards are playing against that competition. Seems a little like Vildoza to me, though, in a good way. Probably more valuable for the Knicks as a stash.

Sims is so athletic, he's got a chance to be a pretty decent defensive big. And he's a lot stronger already than Noel or Rookie Mitch was. That's a good pick at that point in the draft.

Grimes and McBride are perfect Thibs guards. Defenders who can shoot.

In comment 15317533 robbieballs2003 said:

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I am not sure how true that is.

Seems unlikely but Carl who has had some inside info said we were really close to moving up for him.

are going to be solid nba player. Probably bench role players. Not saying that in a bad way. If you pick a couple rotation players at 25 and 36 you crushed those picks. Fans wont love them because on paper there is really no path to being a star. Of course people would have said the same about tons of late first early second rounders and some do become stars.

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I can never tell how good those Euro guards are playing against that competition. Seems a little like Vildoza to me, though, in a good way. Probably more valuable for the Knicks as a stash. Sims is so athletic, he's got a chance to be a pretty decent defensive big. And he's a lot stronger already than Noel or Rookie Mitch was. That's a good pick at that point in the draft. Grimes and McBride are perfect Thibs guards. Defenders who can shoot.

But the real question is, can Sims catch? Lol

trade was weird. I can't recall a similar trade in recent years where a team just punted a pick for such little value in return. But I'm more dissapointed that they couldn't figure out a productive use for their remaining 2020 cap space.

which is the only thing mitch has improved in during his whole career, lol. I really hope we look to move mitch before his contract is up. Even if he is having a big year the idea of paying him big money would scare the shit out of me.

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@ThisIsJMichael · 8h Golden State, league sources tell @IndyStarSports , is trying to get the #Pacers to part with Duarte. Offering Moody + other assets. They're not budging right now. Duarte was the pick they wanted, too, apparently. Top of their board

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In comment 15317573 JB_in_DC said:

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after Duarte Quote: @ThisIsJMichael · 8h Golden State, league sources tell @IndyStarSports , is trying to get the #Pacers to part with Duarte. Offering Moody + other assets. They're not budging right now. Duarte was the pick they wanted, too, apparently. Top of their board Link - ( New Window )

Geez Louise. I don't remember a mid-first round pick getting so much trade interest RIGHT AFTER the Draft.

Throw in Vildoza, and that's five rookies joining the fray. I know some will wind up in the G-League or Europe, but I'm glad they stockpiled some young talent despite the "win now" pressure off a playoff season.

Duarte is being compared to Klay Thompson, similar rise out of nowhere.

I missed what Carl said, what were the Knicks willing to give up to move up.

Overall, the grade for the draft is a B. I like the fact that they move around and instead of reaching try to get some assets. They have to be gearing up for a trade.

Grimes and McBride should be rotation pieces eventually and when you pick that low, that is all you can ask for as a start. I doubt either of these guys have All-Star potential but they can shoot and play defense. When they chose Keon Johnson before the trade, I was confused, because definitely not the type of player Thibs likes.

The bigger question is trades and free agency. I don't want to see RJ Barrett traded.

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Throw in Vildoza, and that's five rookies joining the fray. I know some will wind up in the G-League or Europe, but I'm glad they stockpiled some young talent despite the "win now" pressure off a playoff season.

I'm happy. Stay the course. You can even say 6 with us getting Simms after the draft. This reminds me of Judge and wanting to build up the bottom of the roster on the Giants. I love the approach. I am assuming we are going to keep our cap space for next year by going with mostly 1 year deals or 1+1 deals like Perry did when we first got here. People criticized him for that saying we should have used it to trade for bad contracts to get assets. Well, we got Randle and in connection Quickley, the Euro kid, and McBride. That's pretty good. I see a similar approach this offseason with maybe one long term contract.

Keith Smith
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Updated 2021 cap space projections post-2021 NBA Draft:

1. NYK - $53.5M
2. SAS - $48.9M
3. DAL - $34.3M
4. OKC - $30.9M (after Favors trade)
5. TOR - $23.1M
6. MIA - $20.5M
7. DET - $17.5M (after Plumlee trade)
8. CHA - $8.8M

In comment 15317613 Anakim said:

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Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA Updated 2021 cap space projections post-2021 NBA Draft: 1. NYK - $53.5M

we can probably clear a little more if we dump Knox (might have to attach a pick). I think we get more room if/when we renounce Frank? Also - 21/22 is the last year the Noah stretch is on our cap! Hooray!

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we can probably clear a little more if we dump Knox (might have to attach a pick). I think we get more room if/when we renounce Frank? Also - 21/22 is the last year the Noah stretch is on our cap! Hooray!

I believe that number includes renouncing Frank's cap hold. They could theoretically clear around $5M more by releasing Vildoza and Pelle with their non-guaranteed deals for next season.

What will the reactions be if we give chris Paul 3 years $100 million

In comment 15317487 LTIsTheGreatest said:

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Was surprised at 36, they didn't grab Baylor Guard Jared Butler. He was another guy linked to them the last couple of weeks.

I heard Butler's been red flagged by a lot of clubs due to injury problems.

am just catching up with all this now. Reading pre-draft reviews and projections for the players we got, I am pretty satisfied. A PG and SG that project as rotation players, a developmental big who's very athletic, and a mystery Euro. And a ton of cap room, and plenty of future picks. When do free agent signings start?

But nothing is official until Friday.

teams can start to negotiate but really deals are done by that time..

Wouldnt be surprised if we start hearing leaks monday morning

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teams can start to negotiate but really deals are done by that time.. Wouldnt be surprised if we start hearing leaks monday morning

May even hear about a couple guys even sooner. "There's strong mutual interest been x player and y team" seems to happen every year and reading between the lines it's a wink wink.

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It depends on their opt out date,i assume it is monday

Quick, Mcbride, Grimes, Toppin, simms should be a fun starting 5

Bobby Marks: The New York Knicks. I mentioned during the draft that New York was going to get two players at 19 and 21 that would have been selected in the lottery (possibly Jalen Johnson and Cam Thomas) last year. Unfortunately, the Knicks would trade the 19th pick to Charlotte for a future protected first and move four spots back from 21 to 25 (they would select guard Quentin Grimes) in a trade with the Clippers. The Knicks should get high marks for the selection of Rokas Jokubaitis, Jericho Sims and Miles McBride in the second round. The real work for New York now starts in the offseason. The Knicks are sitting in the pole position with a projected $50 million in cap space.

Seems like his confidence took a huge boost,this season from last season in Houston and especially his freshman year in Kansas. Something to keep an eye on in the NBA as he takes a big step up. Does he maintain that confidence. Sounds like Sampson got him to put in a hell of a lot of work at Houston. Hopefully that's a good mix with Thibs. Sounds like he has the ability to be a real contributor on both ends of the court. Interesting that he got the green light this year and his 3pt% went from 32 to 40.

- article about him is linked. Interesting.
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In comment 15317663 nygiants16 said:

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Quick, Mcbride, Grimes, Toppin, simms should be a fun starting 5

actually both Sims and Simms, I think?

but probably not both in the starting 5, I guess.

but probably not both in the starting 5, I guess, if Toppin is playing.

We got 2 contributors and some upside all around. We were never gonna get a potential star. (Unless that's what Duarte turns into; a lot of the analysis of how well we did in this draft may turn on how good he turns out to be, since it sounds like we were close to a trade but didn't pull the trigger.)

since reports are the indy wanted a young player along with 19/21, our choices were having duarte or having toppin, grimes and the protected charlotte pick.

How is it that every year I read out here that guys in the draft like Obi are "old" at 22 and thus bad picks yet Duarte - the oldest of all them - was a great pick?

one of the first guys off the bench early in your career it's a bad pick. That's just so old now.

but they decided to go with the Westbrooj trade, according to Haynes

Was all smoke.

The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.

Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.

Those games will be fun.

Summer League schedule
first Knicks game Sun. August 8 - ( New Window )

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They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.

Music to my ears. Hope they get him.

Knicks haul:

RD1, pick 19: traded for a future RD1 pick. Grade = C.

RD1, pick 25: Quentin Grimes - a solid and physical “two” guard. 6’5” and 210. Excellent shooter/defender. Not necessary an ISO player. Comp is Desmond Bane. Grade = B.

RD2, pick 34: Euro point guard who will remain in Europe for a couple of years. Still he’s a very good player and good long term (trade?) asset. Grade = B-

RD2, pick 36: Deuce McBride. One of my fav players in the draft and and instant MSG fav. Plays like Derek Fisher once did. like Davion Mitchell but to get Deuce 20+ picks after Mitchell is larceny. Grade = A.

RD2, pick 58: Jericho Sims. 6’10” w 7’3” WS. 250 lbs. Grown man’s body. Great athlete, laterally and vertically. One of the top defensive BIGs in this draft. Think Nerlens Noel + 50lbs. Has no offensive game other than dunking but doesn't have bad hands like NN. Grade = B+.

In comment 15317726 ajr2456 said:

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Was all smoke. The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1. Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.

I don't really see the rationale for OKC trading SGA unless they absolutely love RJ. They have more first round picks than they could ever possibly use and it's not like SGA is and older guy that doesn't fit their timeline, he's only 23.

In comment 15317748 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15317726 ajr2456 said: Quote: Was all smoke. The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1. Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now. I don't really see the rationale for OKC trading SGA unless they absolutely love RJ. They have more first round picks than they could ever possibly use and it's not like SGA is and older guy that doesn't fit their timeline, he's only 23.

SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ

In comment 15317752 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15317748 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 15317726 ajr2456 said: Quote: Was all smoke. The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1. Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now. I don't really see the rationale for OKC trading SGA unless they absolutely love RJ. They have more first round picks than they could ever possibly use and it's not like SGA is and older guy that doesn't fit their timeline, he's only 23. SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ

I guess Knicks would be keeping Toppin too. If RJ and SGA don’t fit their timeline then old man Obi doesn’t either lol

the Duarte thing? I mean everyone reported the Knicks interest, so that'd be pretty shocking if it was all a ruse. Who was their real target? Murphy?

In comment 15317752 ajr2456 said:

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SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ

In 4 years, SGA will be 27 in the heart of his prime. The Knicks may want SGA but I'd be pretty stunned if he was actually traded. Using him to get the top pick is one thing if you think Cade is a superstar, franchise changing talent but trading him for a bunch of future picks which may fall anywhere is a whole other animal.

In comment 15317726 ajr2456 said:

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Was all smoke. The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1. Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.

Man SGA would be an amazing get. Rising star entering Year 4 of his rookie deal so you maintain enough cap flexibility to make a run at star(s) next offseason. Not holding my breath because it is so hard to shake a guy like that loose, but that right there is a move that opens a path to being a SERIOUS contender.

doesnt fit your timeline then your timeline is fucked. I mean he isnt a FA anytime soon unless he is willing to play on his QO in a season or two.

In comment 15317756 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15317752 ajr2456 said: Quote: SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ In 4 years, SGA will be 27 in the heart of his prime. The Knicks may want SGA but I'd be pretty stunned if he was actually traded. Using him to get the top pick is one thing if you think Cade is a superstar, franchise changing talent but trading him for a bunch of future picks which may fall anywhere is a whole other animal.

He’s due for his extension next week, they don’t want to shell out all that money while being bad. Also SGA is going to limit the upside of your picks.

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doesnt fit your timeline then your timeline is fucked. I mean he isnt a FA anytime soon unless he is willing to play on his QO in a season or two.

they literally just have a bunch of projects on their team

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the Duarte thing? I mean everyone reported the Knicks interest, so that'd be pretty shocking if it was all a ruse. Who was their real target? Murphy?

They wanted the pick to get Murphy, Ziaire or Bouknight. Duarte was never on their radar

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- article about him is linked. Interesting. Link - ( New Window )

I knew nothing about him before last night. But he is a pretty interesting dude. Seems like a high IQ small ball five who can handle and pass. That's a pretty narrow role and small ball fives have never seemed like something that Thibs was a big fan of employing. So he'll probably bounce around and then go to Europe unless he somehow becomes Draymond Green lite. But I was surprised by the handle and passing when I watched the highlights. No idea if he can defend.

In comment 15317766 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15317755 Jon in NYC said: Quote: the Duarte thing? I mean everyone reported the Knicks interest, so that'd be pretty shocking if it was all a ruse. Who was their real target? Murphy? They wanted the pick to get Murphy, Ziaire or Bouknight. Duarte was never on their radar

My insight on this is that I was in the final two choices as an agent for Ziaire and Murphy

with SGA already on board. I know he's a little too young to be demanding trades, but he must realize this team is gonna be trash for several years.

im all for it. I just cant imagine trading him for more picks when you already have a billion firsts. Like when they were rumored to be offering him for #1, that made sense. But to trade him to the knicks for what then could easily be late teen picks for the next few drafts doesnt really make much sense.

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im all for it. I just cant imagine trading him for more picks when you already have a billion firsts. Like when they were rumored to be offering him for #1, that made sense. But to trade him to the knicks for what then could easily be late teen picks for the next few drafts doesnt really make much sense.

I find it odd too, but there have been reports (always taken with a grain of salt) that SGA is available for a steep price, and we're in a position to pay a steep price. The OKC draft pick thing has become a bit comical.

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Patton is a C and was a first round pick a few years ago. Perhaps he beats out Norvel Pelle?

In comment 15317770 bceagle05 said:

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with SGA already on board. I know he's a little too young to be demanding trades, but he must realize this team is gonna be trash for several years.

Yup agreed. Two ball dominant players on top of your 23 year old ball dominant guard signifies that he's on the move.

the firsts we can for him. Especially if we can keep RJ. Build around him, RJ, and Randle with whatever youth we have left out of Mitch, OBi, IQ, McBride, Grimes, etc.. and we still have max money next offseason.

wonder if De'Aaron Fox is available. They have 3 ball dominant players now with Davion Mitchell in the fold. Thought that was a very strange move.

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Yup agreed. Two ball dominant players on top of your 23 year old ball dominant guard signifies that he's on the move.

Giddey and SGA is actually a nice fit. Mann was the 18th pick in the draft. At that point if you're not a contending team then you should be picking the top guy on your board. I didn't find that unusual at all

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wonder if De'Aaron Fox is available. They have 3 ball dominant players now with Davion Mitchell in the fold. Thought that was a very strange move.

More likely I think is that they're going to make Haliburton and maybe Mitchell available for Ben Simmons

bailing when targets were off the board seemed strange. It’s nice and all to have a plan, but at the end of the day having talent gives you more leverage.

Grimes did well at the combine, but he needs to take a lot of tough shots. Good if he makes them, but there will be lots of 3-for14 nights too. I know we need skilled players, but it’ll be interesting to follow him and Johnson going forward. McBride isn’t as big as Smart, no way he can guard in the post the way Smart can, let’s hope he has better offensive skills. Sims I like, surprised he lasted this long. Would’ve liked Cooper, who would be surprised if he has an Isaiah Thomas like career?

In comment 15317726 ajr2456 said:

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Was all smoke. The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1. Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.

Man this is amazing to hear. An offseason of signing Lowry and trading mostly picks for SGA would be an A+. SGA would be perfect for the Knicks.

Does seem to be a lot of smoke around SGA too. I doubt he wants to continue to sit through tanking seasons. And OKC is cheap ownership who don't want to hand him a max while the team sucks.

Thanks for sharing your information- much appreciated. Lastly, do you think there is any chance Mitchell gets moved?

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In comment 15317726 ajr2456 said: Quote: Was all smoke. The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1. Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now. Man this is amazing to hear. An offseason of signing Lowry and trading mostly picks for SGA would be an A+. SGA would be perfect for the Knicks. Does seem to be a lot of smoke around SGA too. I doubt he wants to continue to sit through tanking seasons. And OKC is cheap ownership who don't want to hand him a max while the team sucks. Thanks for sharing your information- much appreciated. Lastly, do you think there is any chance Mitchell gets moved?

This off-season probably not. It’s well known around the league that Utah “can’t afford” aka doesn’t want to keep their payroll this high and will sell off if they don’t win a ring soon, but I think we’re still a year or two away from Mitchell being moved in my opinion.

Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now.

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Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now.

Sorry what do you mean by that? They didn't expect to be this competitive?

Lowry on a 1 year 35 MM deal + SGA for Obi/IQ/5 1sts is a pretty damn good offseason.

Love IQ but McBride does make him far more expendable.

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Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now.

What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason?

Thanks again for the intel.

I'm just so happy to hear they might know and understand that they need a PG.

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Lots of interesting stuff from Zach in regards to the Knicks opening up some extra cap space last night.

and now I'm daydreaming about Lowry/SGA/RJ/Randle/Mitch. Life as a Knicks fan.

but i wonder if OKC wants to include Kemba in an SGA trade and thats why we wanted more space. I know we had enough space already to take Kemba and SGA even if we didnt send anything out, but maybe there are other moving parts we needed the space for.

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In comment 15317804 ajr2456 said: Quote: Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now. Sorry what do you mean by that? They didn't expect to be this competitive?

Yea they didn’t think they’d be this competitive

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In comment 15317804 ajr2456 said: Quote: Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now. What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason? Thanks again for the intel.

Looking at their other trades where they got picks and young guys they were able to move I’d guess something like:

IQ
Mitch
2022 Knicks pick
2023 Knicks pick
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If I had to put a number on it I’d say 40% chance it happened this offseason

he's a good player for sure, but not even an All-Star this year I believe. Is a guy who's not an All-Star worth 4 or 5 first round picks and two rotation players? I'm not claiming any expertise - just seems like a lot to me.

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he's a good player for sure, but not even an All-Star this year I believe. Is a guy who's not an All-Star worth 4 or 5 first round picks and two rotation players? I'm not claiming any expertise - just seems like a lot to me.

Yes. 23-5-6 and still only 23.

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he's a good player for sure, but not even an All-Star this year I believe. Is a guy who's not an All-Star worth 4 or 5 first round picks and two rotation players? I'm not claiming any expertise - just seems like a lot to me.

He's 23 years old, so it's as much what he can grow into being.

In addition to what Macri tweeted he said if he’s a team with a good restricted free agent he’s sweating the Knicks even more after last night. Used Duncan Robinson as a hypothetical.

Also said (not in relation the the Knicks) that he doesn’t think Shai was available even for a top 3 pick as was rumored. Said he thinks any noise around him is premature and that he’ll sign a big extension at the start of FA, possibly a 5 year max.

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In comment 15317808 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 15317804 ajr2456 said: Quote: Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now. What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason? Thanks again for the intel. Looking at their other trades where they got picks and young guys they were able to move I’d guess something like: IQ Mitch 2022 Knicks pick 2023 Knicks pick 2023 Dallas pick 2025 Knicks pick If I had to put a number on it I’d say 40% chance it happened this offseason

A team cannot trade their own pick in back to back years.

A friend who works in the Agent Business (for a top agency) that Duarte was a smoke screen. The cost to move up was more then they were willing to pay anyway. They acquired future picks to gather more assets as well as not have to pay the guaranteed salary of two first round picks leaving cap space flexibity for a big move. They have interest in SGA and have made calls about him as well as all star caliber player (I was not told who). The price for SGA is high but not out of the realm of possibility. They want to keep RJ

In comment 15317855 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15317835 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15317808 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 15317804 ajr2456 said: Quote: Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now. What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason? Thanks again for the intel. Looking at their other trades where they got picks and young guys they were able to move I’d guess something like: IQ Mitch 2022 Knicks pick 2023 Knicks pick 2023 Dallas pick 2025 Knicks pick If I had to put a number on it I’d say 40% chance it happened this offseason A team cannot trade their own pick in back to back years.

They can if they have another first that year.

is a fucking awesome core.

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In comment 15317855 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 15317835 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15317808 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 15317804 ajr2456 said: Quote: Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now. What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason? Thanks again for the intel. Looking at their other trades where they got picks and young guys they were able to move I’d guess something like: IQ Mitch 2022 Knicks pick 2023 Knicks pick 2023 Dallas pick 2025 Knicks pick If I had to put a number on it I’d say 40% chance it happened this offseason A team cannot trade their own pick in back to back years. They can if they have another first that year.

Thanks. I thought they still had to hold onto their pick and the other was obviously tradable.

Might need to get a FA center if Mitch is included

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is a fucking awesome core.

It really is. That's maybe one piece away from a real contender.

we might not be able to trade both of those 2023 picks though, in that case. Sub in the future pick we just got instead...

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In comment 15317868 adamg said: Quote: is a fucking awesome core. It really is. That's maybe one piece away from a real contender.

If they keep cap flexibility, adding Beal or LaVine next year?

In comment 15317855 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15317835 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15317808 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 15317804 ajr2456 said: Quote: Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now. What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason? Thanks again for the intel. Looking at their other trades where they got picks and young guys they were able to move I’d guess something like: IQ Mitch 2022 Knicks pick 2023 Knicks pick 2023 Dallas pick 2025 Knicks pick If I had to put a number on it I’d say 40% chance it happened this offseason A team cannot trade their own pick in back to back years.

That should say Charlottes pick. And the freak out over the protections is an over reaction. Charlotte likely will end up lifting those protections since as of now they can’t trade another first until 2027.

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A friend who works in the Agent Business (for a top agency) that Duarte was a smoke screen. The cost to move up was more then they were willing to pay anyway. They acquired future picks to gather more assets as well as not have to pay the guaranteed salary of two first round picks leaving cap space flexibity for a big move. They have interest in SGA and have made calls about him as well as all star caliber player (I was not told who). The price for SGA is high but not out of the realm of possibility. They want to keep RJ

I’m not his friend fwiw lol

He was talking about potential stars available in the context of what Miami is going to do and said something to the effect of "Beal is staying it appears" and then said "Dame is staying for now it appears". I'm probably just reading way too much into it but the "for now" with Dame but not Beal piqued my interest

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In comment 15317862 TommyWiseau said: Quote: A friend who works in the Agent Business (for a top agency) that Duarte was a smoke screen. The cost to move up was more then they were willing to pay anyway. They acquired future picks to gather more assets as well as not have to pay the guaranteed salary of two first round picks leaving cap space flexibity for a big move. They have interest in SGA and have made calls about him as well as all star caliber player (I was not told who). The price for SGA is high but not out of the realm of possibility. They want to keep RJ I’m not his friend fwiw lol

I was just gonna say...

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In comment 15317467 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said: Quote: #19 for a future best case #19 or higher? Or a #14 in three years? Makes no sense to me. The only way I can make sense of it is if they were interested in pushing the pick back so that they can include it in potential trades in the future. But the value is shit. It can possibly be 5 slots better in like 4 years? And if not it's a couple of 2s? Oy. Not only that, but I feel like for Charlotte the needle is pointing up. Not really sure why we were so shy about actually making picks.

I dunno, I think they didn't have a conviction on the guys available at that point, didn't think they would get value. Better to trade the pick and kick that can down the road. An unused pick is an asset; a draft pick that never amounts to anything is a waste. They preserved the asset. They didn't enhance it, but they kept it.

Interesting that they moved back from 21 to 25 and got an extra 2nd (modest enhancement) and then from 32 to 34 and 36 (a great deal as far as I'm concerned). If you don't think there's value where you are picking, trade out of the spot. Works for me.

#19 was included. When it didn’t there board had a lot of even players. They tried too late to get out and the Charlotte deal was the only one which was there. Multiple conversations and almost went up to #11. When Book was there they called it off. Charlotte and the Knicks on the phone all night.

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#19 was included. When it didn’t there board had a lot of even players. They tried too late to get out and the Charlotte deal was the only one which was there. Multiple conversations and almost went up to #11. When Book was there they called it off. Charlotte and the Knicks on the phone all night.

And who was the target at 11?

I could ask but I do not know. Never thought too.

Don’t even know who the player we were giving picks and players for at #19

Subject.

It couldn't have been Trey Murphy as he went much later.

Zaire Williams or Bouknight too.

Celtics trade Tristan Thompson to Hawks for Kris Dunn and a future 2nd..

going to see these type of deals in the next couple of days, this clears 3 million for the Celtics and gets them a little further from luxury tax

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im all for it. I just cant imagine trading him for more picks when you already have a billion firsts. Like when they were rumored to be offering him for #1, that made sense. But to trade him to the knicks for what then could easily be late teen picks for the next few drafts doesnt really make much sense.

Agree with this. SGA is a fine player, no doubt.

But, as bait, IQ hasn't proved anything. Mitch hasn't proved anything AND has used up three of his cheap years.

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Celtics trade Tristan Thompson to Hawks for Kris Dunn and a future 2nd.. going to see these type of deals in the next couple of days, this clears 3 million for the Celtics and gets them a little further from luxury tax

thompson being rerouted to sactown, delon wright to hawks

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doesnt fit your timeline then your timeline is fucked. I mean he isnt a FA anytime soon unless he is willing to play on his QO in a season or two.

Thank you. And they don’t plan on winning for four years at the earliest? That’s some plan.

The 40% chance cited above is probably right. It’s worth pursuing, and a little nudge from SGA’s camp would help.

Thanks to everyone with this insight.

Monday and next week will be fun. So refreshing to see the Knicks operating with a real plan. What that plan is remains to be seen...

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Thanks to everyone with this insight. Monday and next week will be fun. So refreshing to see the Knicks operating with a real plan. What that plan is remains to be seen...

I think the plan is to pair 2 high priced guys with Rj, Randle and Mitch..

then add a couple of vet minimums to help the youth off the bench..

I dont think Rose comes back unless their plan a fails, remember Rose himself said the Knicks have bigger plans at point..

nor will I be upset if he does. Although Atlanta beat us, turns out they were better than thought and acquiring Rose certainly put some juice into the team during the doldrums of the regular season. Vet leader, but only at the right price and without a lot of "gimme" when it comes to minutes.

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The 40% chance cited above is probably right. It’s worth pursuing, and a little nudge from SGA’s camp would help.

Are you talking about Harden? At the time Harden wasn't better than SGA is now. They also had KD and Westbrook and had just been to the finals. He's their lone draw to sell tickets right now. If they'd just won the lottery I could see it but nobody is going to Thunder games to watch Poku and Giddey.

I’m just saying it’s a possibility, based on insiders on this thread - who have been right about Knicks-related info in the past - saying it’s a possibility. Getting drilled by 30 points every night with Poku, Giddey, Mann and Dort might not be the most appealing thing for SGA right now, and players wield a bit of power.

by dumping Richardson for the Celtics TPE. Thinking that’s the Lowry destination

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by dumping Richardson for the Celtics TPE. Thinking that’s the Lowry destination

they have to let Timmy walk to officially have that amount of space

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In comment 15318131 Strahan91 said: Quote: by dumping Richardson for the Celtics TPE. Thinking that’s the Lowry destination they have to let Timmy walk to officially have that amount of space

Which I’m sure they will if it means getting Lowry. They can’t possibly run it back again after the way this past season ended.

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In comment 15318134 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15318131 Strahan91 said: Quote: by dumping Richardson for the Celtics TPE. Thinking that’s the Lowry destination they have to let Timmy walk to officially have that amount of space Which I’m sure they will if it means getting Lowry. They can’t possibly run it back again after the way this past season ended.

seems like a lateral move, Hardaway was their 2nd best player, they need to get rid of Porzingis

They have a trade exception they can use to get another spot up shooter or move Green or Terry. There’s no doubt in my mind they’re going to shake things up. They heard Luka loud and clear

so that’s something

It seems that that trade at 19 was either the result of a pan gone awry during the draft itself or because they're going to package it.

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It seems that that trade at 19 was either the result of a pan gone awry during the draft itself or because they're going to package it.

Their plan was to either trade up consolodating the picks and saving the money or trading back and saving money that way..

they were mever going to habe 2 rookies on guaranteed deals

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In comment 15318226 Optimus-NY said: Quote: It seems that that trade at 19 was either the result of a pan gone awry during the draft itself or because they're going to package it. Their plan was to either trade up consolodating the picks and saving the money or trading back and saving money that way.. they were mever going to habe 2 rookies on guaranteed deals

When Murphy got drafted that seemed to seal things as he seemed to be the last guy before a drop off to a tier of lots of similarly ranked players where who you would take would be graded the same as you could get in Round 2

the more I like it. Thinking long term and kept their powder dry. And got some players who might be able to contribute soon. Free agency will be very interesting.

there’s some mutual interest in DRose/Chicago reunion.

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there’s some mutual interest in DRose/Chicago reunion.

I really dont think he is coming back unkess their plan a or b fails and at the end of the season i thiught no shot he wasnt coming back

With Bouknight to CHA I think Devonte Graham makes sense and maybe Rose as a backup there. I’m nervous we’ll end up with Shroeder.

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With Bouknight to CHA I think Devonte Graham makes sense and maybe Rose as a backup there. I’m nervous we’ll end up with Shroeder.

I would prefer Graham over Ball and Shroeder.
IMO I don't think CP3 leaves PHX unless PHX goes in another direction .Lowery is going to take a big deal

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With Bouknight to CHA I think Devonte Graham makes sense and maybe Rose as a backup there. I’m nervous we’ll end up with Shroeder.

I would prefer Graham over Ball and Shroeder.
IMO I don't think CP3 leaves PHX unless PHX goes in another direction .Lowery is going to take a big deal

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I would prefer Graham over Ball and Shroeder. IMO I don't think CP3 leaves PHX unless PHX goes in another direction .Lowery is going to take a big deal

I don’t think so either although Sarver’s comments the other day has given me some pause

Lowry to miami right now gaining steam..

Dinwiddie to Washington in a sign and trade..

Cp3 back to Phoenix 3 years 90+

is someone we have been linked too at the deadline and in FA.

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is someone we have been linked too at the deadline and in FA.

If they are indeed interested in him in FA I find it strange that they could’ve had him at the deadline for essentially nothing and decided to pass. Would’ve been a very cheap look at him in their locker room and as an on the court fit

A little steep.

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A little steep.

I agree and he misses a lot of games.
I would rather DeRozan on a 2 years 60 million year 2 an option

Bullock/IQ/Grimes at the two, RJ can play there a bit as well.

It’s the PG situation that has me terrified. I want no part of Schroder, and the other options are disappearing already

reeks of the typical Knicks being used as leverage by a player’s agent.

For Fournier then I might be interested. 4-40 seems fair for him. But I agree that if we had interest in him at all we would have traded for him. He got traded for peanuts. Remember that the Knicks will be linked to everyone. We are NY and we have 50+ mill in cap space.

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reeks of the typical Knicks being used as leverage by a player’s agent.

Yeah you’re probably right about that - may be the case with Fournier too. I think our FA signings will be modest until we make a splash trade of some kind.

saving as much room as they possibly can

free agents im not sure there is anyone im giving 20 million to unless its a 1 year deal. Sure i could be talked into derozen or powell on a 4 year deal i guess. Even lowry based on age i wouldnt want to give him like 2/60 or something crazy. If its going to be big money id rather just do 1 year deals. Like im not giving Fournier, Schroeder, etc.. anywhere near 20 mill on 4 year deals. Im sure they will get it because its the nba, but it shouldnt be from us.

Im not including Kawhi in that obviously.

he will be unrestricted afternext year

God no to Schroder.

I'm actually optimistic that he can be an NBA player, maybe even a regular. He just needs a lot of offensive development and a perimeter game.

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A little steep.

LOL, no fucking way. Fournier can merde right off

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In comment 15318445 Strahan91 said: Quote: reeks of the typical Knicks being used as leverage by a player’s agent. Yeah you’re probably right about that - may be the case with Fournier too. I think our FA signings will be modest until we make a splash trade of some kind.

Agreed. In addition to what’s been reported, I have it on fairly good authority that they believe if/when Dame asks out that the Knicks will be atop his wish list. I have no idea if that’s Durant 2.0 or legitimate but I think that’s why they’re not going to cash out assets or stuff their balance sheet with bigger multi year deals. Personally I just don’t see it. I don’t think Dame is going anywhere until next summer if at all and a lot can change quickly in the NBA.

What's the latest vis a vis Kawhi? He opting out? I gotta imagine his injury plays a big factor in that.

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In comment 15318452 bceagle05 said: Quote: In comment 15318445 Strahan91 said: Quote: reeks of the typical Knicks being used as leverage by a player’s agent. Yeah you’re probably right about that - may be the case with Fournier too. I think our FA signings will be modest until we make a splash trade of some kind. Agreed. In addition to what’s been reported, I have it on fairly good authority that they believe if/when Dame asks out that the Knicks will be atop his wish list. I have no idea if that’s Durant 2.0 or legitimate but I think that’s why they’re not going to cash out assets or stuff their balance sheet with bigger multi year deals. Personally I just don’t see it. I don’t think Dame is going anywhere until next summer if at all and a lot can change quickly in the NBA.

Stein has been saying this as well..seems like teams around the league dont think its a matter of if but when

but what does he see changing in Portland this year? LAL, Phoenix, Utah, Golden State and Denver will all be better, maybe LAC (no Kawhi) and Dallas. He’s headed for the play-in tournament.

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but what does he see changing in Portland this year? LAL, Phoenix, Utah, Golden State and Denver will all be better, maybe LAC (no Kawhi) and Dallas. He’s headed for the play-in tournament.

Yeah, I too admire his loyalty, but he isn't winning a title in Portland. Isn't that the ultimate goal?

but i think he would of asked out already if he wasnt playing for the olympics, he has never rrally denied the rumors of asking out just danced around, he doesnt want the distraction..

i would not be shocked if when the olympics are over he asks out

If he wants out, he'll be moved. I don't know if he'll go full Harden 2.0, but when these stars want out of town-be it Kawhi in SA or AD in NOLA-they usually get their way.

personally. Their astronomical asking price for Simmons tells me that they are saving Simmons for a Dame deal so the only way they’ll move him now would be to get such a strong package that they won’t have to worry about not having the pieces to get Dame. Will that be enough? It wasn’t for Harden but they did hold at least Maxey back in those talks. After how the season ended I’d assume that they will be willing to trade anyone and anything not named Joel Embiid.

Strahan, I too think he ends up a 76er.

“There remains support within the organization to pursue Spencer Dinwiddie at lead guard, per sources.”

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Guy can't hit a three

4 years-80 million.

BUT he says Lillard would want to be in New york if/when he asks for a trade, that eould be his number 1 option

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4 years-80 million.

would that have to be a sign-and-trade?

timing is gonna suck. It sounds like he wants to wait out the Olympics and first wave of FA which is going to hamstring us a bit. That said there are just no obvious guys to go after.

I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible.

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timing is gonna suck. It sounds like he wants to wait out the Olympics and first wave of FA which is going to hamstring us a bit. That said there are just no obvious guys to go after. I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible.

if you 15 million available in cap you coukd still make the money work to trade for dame..so you could sign roughly 40 million in contracts then trade for dame

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In comment 15318823 larryflower37 said: Quote: 4 years-80 million. would that have to be a sign-and-trade?

They have 18 million in space and a 20 million cap hold for Lauri Markkanen and the are looking at a sign and trade for him or let him walk.

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In comment 15318887 Jon in NYC said: Quote: timing is gonna suck. It sounds like he wants to wait out the Olympics and first wave of FA which is going to hamstring us a bit. That said there are just no obvious guys to go after. I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible. if you 15 million available in cap you coukd still make the money work to trade for dame..so you could sign roughly 40 million in contracts then trade for dame

Doesn’t Dame have like 44 mil in salary? Why would they need only 15 mil?

Also the other issue is signing guys knowing dame will be there vs building a team with him as a question mark.

or freakin Dinwiddie, right?

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In comment 15318903 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15318887 Jon in NYC said: Quote: timing is gonna suck. It sounds like he wants to wait out the Olympics and first wave of FA which is going to hamstring us a bit. That said there are just no obvious guys to go after. I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible. if you 15 million available in cap you coukd still make the money work to trade for dame..so you could sign roughly 40 million in contracts then trade for dame Doesn’t Dame have like 44 mil in salary? Why would they need only 15 mil? Also the other issue is signing guys knowing dame will be there vs building a team with him as a question mark.

39 million..

Rj, 9, Obi 5, Knox, 5, you can guarantee Luca deal and that is 3.3, then you have bullock's rights where you can sign and trade him to make the difference...

or add in quick at 2.5, which i prefer not to..

Kbicks have flexibility to do it

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or freakin Dinwiddie, right?

I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.

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BUT he says Lillard would want to be in New york if/when he asks for a trade, that eould be his number 1 option

Hopefully this never happens unless Knicks getting another superstar. This would be "Portland 2."

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In comment 15318842 nygiants16 said: Quote: BUT he says Lillard would want to be in New york if/when he asks for a trade, that eould be his number 1 option Hopefully this never happens unless Knicks getting another superstar. This would be "Portland 2."

Ehhh don’t really agree with that. The current Randle is probably better than anyone he’s played with before and Thibs is definitely the best coach he’s had. Plus they still will have room to maneuver after the trade.

And it's to The Knicks for giggles.
Do the Knicks have any leverage.

Is there anyway you keep RJ?
Trade Robinson, Grimes, OBI, and Quickley and all the picks we can?
I love Dame he is without a doubt my favorite player to watch but at 31 this deal scares the F#&k out of me. I think with RJ, Dame and Randle we are competitive in the east and could finish top 3 in the east.
With one more piece we are pushing to get out of the east.

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And it's to The Knicks for giggles. Do the Knicks have any leverage. Is there anyway you keep RJ? Trade Robinson, Grimes, OBI, and Quickley and all the picks we can? I love Dame he is without a doubt my favorite player to watch but at 31 this deal scares the F#&k out of me. I think with RJ, Dame and Randle we are competitive in the east and could finish top 3 in the east. With one more piece we are pushing to get out of the east.

I personally don't think there's any chance they keep RJ if they're trading for Dame and I think they'd be okay with that. Dame and Randle in NYC and cap room next year and they'd be able to put together a really good team.

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In comment 15318925 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: or freakin Dinwiddie, right? I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.

He's a fine player no doubt but I think they really need a point guard who can shoot. Having 2 starters who can't shoot really hurt them last year at times.

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In comment 15318952 giantstock said: Quote: In comment 15318842 nygiants16 said: Quote: BUT he says Lillard would want to be in New york if/when he asks for a trade, that eould be his number 1 option Hopefully this never happens unless Knicks getting another superstar. This would be "Portland 2." Ehhh don’t really agree with that. The current Randle is probably better than anyone he’s played with before and Thibs is definitely the best coach he’s had. Plus they still will have room to maneuver after the trade.

1--- Unless they can get another superstar - it doesn't matter that much how good a coach Thibs is - his team still needs players to make plays. Thibs needs players just like any other coach - even though he is a fine - very fine coach.

2---- Randle is an erratic shooter. He is individually better than CJ because he can create - but there is a reason why teams look to put shooters around superstars is that they balance the floor. Randle is terrific for what he is- but part of what he is is erratic. He proved that during the playoffs. Even though Rose was playing well and Young was super in game 1. SO yes he is better than CJ individually but how much better as a fit?

3--- When the Kicks trade for Lillard they are also losing a LOT. We're going to create holes set up to be exposed in the playoffs. Sure every team has them. But that's why I was saying 2 superstars. For example, next year the only way to beat the Nets is they get injured again unless you have multiple superstars.

Add to this he is 31. Where are the Knicks going? True that you can't stop trying just because the Nets are a beast but the issue is Lillard will start to decline as next year during the playoff run he'll be a couple of months away from 32. Might as well call him 32. He'll start to decline soon.

AS he declines - all those draft picks traded to replenish the team will be gone. Gradually all those number 2/ number 3 tier players won't get you out of the 1st round.

Portland did have 1 year of getting to WCF's but look at how we all look at that organization. Having one year in WCF's yet we still look at it a waste for Lillard and the coach being a failure. Each year as Lillard gets older and we don't get him a superstar this year or next - we will be Portland with no stiff of being a title contender on a continual basis.

to Miami is a matter of when not if. Always made more sense for him to go there than here. I’m fine with that.

Would rather add younger guys with upside.

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Dolan J. Trump
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Productive talks this morning with @SDinwiddie_25 including the smear campaign the Nets have launched against him and Bitcoin. His knee looked great and healthy on the course. twitter.com/dolan_j_trump/…

but if you're on Twitter you absolutely must follow Dolan J. Trump - one hysterical tweet after another. The guy behind the account is actually a former Nets fan who had an issue with the franchise over season tickets or something - he's been on a few podcasts. Every single time the Knicks hire someone or acquire a player you get the "JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!" tweet. Kooky Kyrie, Sleepy Joe (Tsai), Alan Hahnity, Salary Cap Space Force...it goes on and on

there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight.

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there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight.

Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..

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In comment 15319011 Strahan91 said: Quote: there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight. Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..

If that’s their off-season, it smells of another 1st round playoff exit in the East next season

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In comment 15319011 Strahan91 said: Quote: there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight. Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..

Both have missed a bunch of games
But a lineup of
Dinwiddie
RJ
Randle
Fournier
Robinson
Is pretty strong and if we keep Fournier at 3 years 55 million which is his rumored value it's a trade able contract, Dinwiddie deal can be make or break depending on what it takes
We have plenty of youth to back them up
McBride
Quickley
Obi
Grimes
Sims
Bench
Vildoza

maybe, but I don't think they want Fournier. Doesn't seem to be the kind of wing Thibs values.

I think Oubre is far more likely.

Dinwiddie for 3/45

Oubre for 2/40, 2nd year a team option

Still have enough cap to fit in Lillard if you need.

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there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight.

Whether they're aggressive or not, things will kept quiet until they make their move(s).

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In comment 15319029 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15319011 Strahan91 said: Quote: there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight. Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier.. If that’s their off-season, it smells of another 1st round playoff exit in the East next season

Dinwiddie, fournier, Rj Randle and Mitch is a strong starting 5..


and still room to add more, plenty of drsft picks..could still trade for a star

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maybe, but I don't think they want Fournier. Doesn't seem to be the kind of wing Thibs values. I think Oubre is far more likely. Dinwiddie for 3/45 Oubre for 2/40, 2nd year a team option Still have enough cap to fit in Lillard if you need.

There has been rumors of mutual interest and up until yesterday people seemd to thinknhe was going back to Boston..

But Boston just added Rochardson and are up against the tax, so either they dont want him back or know he is signing elsewhere

will be unrestricted

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In comment 15318925 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: or freakin Dinwiddie, right? I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.

Of all the things I’ve heard about Dinwiddie this offseason, the “right price” isn’t one of them. He wants to get paid as 98% of them do and should want. He’s not going to do the Knicks any favors with a short deal unless there’s truly nothing else out there.

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In comment 15318948 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15318925 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: or freakin Dinwiddie, right? I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price. Of all the things I’ve heard about Dinwiddie this offseason, the “right price” isn’t one of them. He wants to get paid as 98% of them do and should want. He’s not going to do the Knicks any favors with a short deal unless there’s truly nothing else out there.

the right price doesn't mean a discount. If it's a fair market deal than so be it. As long as it's not a huge overpay (e.g. 4/120). He fills a huge need.

in that range is a fair price, slight overpay but he was 20 and 6 a couple of years ago and carried the nets to the playoffs when Kyrie and Kd were hurt..

He is a Thibs type of point

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both expected to resign with their teams

short changing CP3 is definitely in the realm of possibilities.

Sarver should be run out of town on a rail if he doesn't pay CP3.

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will be unrestricted

Dan Metro Man is salivating

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Okaaaaay.....

Give him two year max with player option year 3. Pay him to rehab year one.

Monk actually has become a serviceable player. I loved him coming out of Kentucky.

Knicks did not offer qualifying offer

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Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..

Agree on Fournier but I think they go in a different direction at the point. Hunch is it'll be Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne or Schroder on a 1+1 deal. Restricted guys on a multi-year deal I could see too, either Graham or Nunn.

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Knicks did not offer qualifying offer

'We always had...(something).'

Do you know how big of a jackass someone has to be for LeBron not to want them around?

When I talk about Dinwiddie not doing the Knicks any favors, I mean he wouldn’t take a 2 year deal or 1 and 1 unless the market forced him to. I have no desire whatsoever to give him 4 years. Same goes for Fournier.

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In comment 15319029 nygiants16 said: Quote: Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier.. Agree on Fournier but I think they go in a different direction at the point. Hunch is it'll be Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne or Schroder on a 1+1 deal. Restricted guys on a multi-year deal I could see too, either Graham or Nunn.

Cam Payne is a real interesting option. More upside than usual as a UFA. He should come cheaper than the big name guys.

shockeyisthebest...I will lose my shit if we sign Schroder.

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Is Kawhi going to be a franchise player after the knee surgery though? He's had an injury history with his right leg aside from the knee. I think it would be worthwhile for a year or two, but after that, he could drop off substantially

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No way he leaves LA. It's a pipe dream and LA can't let him walk away.

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Multiple teams I’ve spoken with have said the message from Phoenix is abundantly clear that Chris Paul will re-up with the #Suns and therefore have little reason to pursue him in FA — despite the immense interest CP would command.

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Cam Payne is a real interesting option. More upside than usual as a UFA. He should come cheaper than the big name guys.

Agreed. I think Graham and Nunn are similar in that sense. There could be untapped upside with all of those guys because of the roles they've played thus far.

about it the more I think the Knicks should just be patient and even take on bad contracts for future picks to bundle in trades.

The Bulls for example need to get Al Farouq Aminu off the books to get space for Lonzo.

Trading a future 2nd for Aminu and a future 1st is a no brainer move they should do.

the talent on the roster is that if you factor in some regression next year and moves other teams make like Miami, the Knicks could be fighting to even make the play-in next year. If that’s the case then all of the good feelings from this year that would make us a potential big fish destination could begin to dissipate.

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The #Knicks have been trying hard to get #Pacers to part with Myles Turner. So far, not happening. This and other intel entering free agency. They don’t seem in a hurry to bust up their core.

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J. Michael @ThisIsJMichael · 4m The #Knicks have been trying hard to get #Pacers to part with Myles Turner. So far, not happening. This and other intel entering free agency. They don’t seem in a hurry to bust up their core.

I really like Turner's game. I'd absolutely trade Mitch + for him. His ability to hit the 3 should open up a ton for Randle.

Knox, the Charlotte First, and a 2nd for Turner. Would the Pacers turn that down?

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In comment 15319186 nygiants16 said: Quote: J. Michael @ThisIsJMichael · 4m The #Knicks have been trying hard to get #Pacers to part with Myles Turner. So far, not happening. This and other intel entering free agency. They don’t seem in a hurry to bust up their core. I really like Turner's game. I'd absolutely trade Mitch + for him. His ability to hit the 3 should open up a ton for Randle.

Could be why thry picked up Mitchs option..

if they wanted to resign him made more sense to decline it and make him restricted

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Knox, the Charlotte First, and a 2nd for Turner. Would the Pacers turn that down?

I think the reason they’d be trading Turner is because he can’t really play with Sabonis. They’d have the same problem with Mitch. I’d assume if they were interested (which it doesn’t sound like they are), they’d be more interested in Toppin.

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In comment 15319197 Jon in NYC said: Quote: Knox, the Charlotte First, and a 2nd for Turner. Would the Pacers turn that down? I think the reason they’d be trading Turner is because he can’t really play with Sabonis. They’d have the same problem with Mitch. I’d assume if they were interested (which it doesn’t sound like they are), they’d be more interested in Toppin.

Do they think Sabonis is a center? I don't think he offers enough rim protection or size there.

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the talent on the roster is that if you factor in some regression next year and moves other teams make like Miami, the Knicks could be fighting to even make the play-in next year. If that’s the case then all of the good feelings from this year that would make us a potential big fish destination could begin to dissipate.

I agree with Jon in NYC.

"Good feelings" is for fans to feel. However, it shouldn't be the driving force for smart ownership.

So what- they regress? Do we think the NBA players are all of suddenly going to forget that Thibs is one helluva coach?

Or-- if they regress just a little but Randle is a stud-- how is that bad? And if he follows up with a bad year- then you still have all of your other young talent rather than selling the farm for one player in which the Knicks aren't going anywhere anyway.

I'll be disappointed.

Shooting percentages are really not good, never realize how bad they are

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I'll be disappointed.

Depends on the contract.

Dinwiddie-RJ-Oubre-Randle-Mitch

is a much better starting 5 than last year. Then have an all youth bench of McBride-IQ-Grimes-Obi

It's an interesting team with upside.

Got a text from a friend who used to work with the Celtics, says Fournier is leaning toward the Knicks..

He gets bits and pieces now that hr doesnt work there anymore, so take fwiw

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I agree with Jon in NYC. "Good feelings" is for fans to feel. However, it shouldn't be the driving force for smart ownership. So what- they regress? Do we think the NBA players are all of suddenly going to forget that Thibs is one helluva coach? Or-- if they regress just a little but Randle is a stud-- how is that bad? And if he follows up with a bad year- then you still have all of your other young talent rather than selling the farm for one player in which the Knicks aren't going anywhere anyway.

Those good feelings got the Clippers PG and Kawhi and the Nets their big 3. The league has a short memory. Thibs had a great year with Minnesota then it went downhill and the narrative became "the game passed him by", "Thibs style doesn't work in the modern NBA".

But I wasn't talking about selling the farm for one player. I was referring to FA. The reason they'd be punting *is* to go big fish hunting after all. That much is clear. So essentially we are saying the same thing.

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Got a text from a friend who used to work with the Celtics, says Fournier is leaning toward the Knicks.. He gets bits and pieces now that hr doesnt work there anymore, so take fwiw

No surprise there. At the right price, that'd be a solid move. Still surprised there's little indication as to what they're thinking at pg given how much the hole there sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Do they think Sabonis is a center? I don't think he offers enough rim protection or size there.

Yeah they do. Carlisle was already talking about "staggering" those two.

is almost the dictionary definition of just fine.

We know what he is at this point, 18 PPG shooter, good not great %s, no real upside and an iffy defender.

I'd probably be pissed if we spend a substantial amount of cap on him. I'd rather have Bullock back at half the number.

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In comment 15319206 Jon in NYC said: Quote: Do they think Sabonis is a center? I don't think he offers enough rim protection or size there. Yeah they do. Carlisle was already talking about "staggering" those two.

In that case then a trade for Obi could make sense. Would have to work on moving Mitch for something else -- maybe part of the Lillard deal.

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is almost the dictionary definition of just fine. We know what he is at this point, 18 PPG shooter, good not great %s, no real upside and an iffy defender. I'd probably be pissed if we spend a substantial amount of cap on him. I'd rather have Bullock back at half the number.

Thinking about this a little more, he basically is the pro version of Duarte, so this does make sense. I still think it comes down to the contract. He's probably a league average SG and will be for 3/4 years. No way I'd touch 4/80, but I'd maybe do 3/45, but I bet someone would give him more than that.