Well, don't think that went in the direction anyone expected.
After spending weeks trying to trade up, and apparently getting close with a couple teams (definitely at least the Pacers?), the Knicks traded both 19 and 21, and picked up a future 1st, 2nd, and 25.
They also traded down from 32 to get 34 and 36 which seems like a fleece any objective way you look at it.
The overall haul:
25: Grimes
34: Jakubaitis
36: McBride
58: Sims
Is pretty solid IMO. Two immediate rotation guys, one draft and stash and a project big with top tier athleticism.
If you told me early yesterday they'd take McBride at 19 and Grimes at 25 I probably wouldn't have been stunned, so to get those guys and two extra future picks is a solid bit of business.
Assuming Jakubaitis stays with Barcelona for a year or two, looks like this is the current roster:
C: Mitch/Sims
PF: Randle/Obi
SF: RJ/Knox
SG: IQ/Grimes
PG: McBride
A lot of work to be done.
Also wanted to mention one more thing about the Charlotte deal that I didn't see posted yesterday (might have just missed it), I doubt the Knicks ever make that pick. Pushing it back a year, even if it ends up being at an equal slot, allows it to be included in trades over the next year and packaged with other picks for a big name. I bet that was a main motivator behind the trade.
Overall I give it a B. Two strong defenders, two low risk high reward guys. Doubt anyone will be a major impact players but Grimes and McBride should both fit in with any roster and be able to eat up some quality minutes off the bench at least, but maybe with some upside down the line.
I'd give it a C on it's face as a placeholder, reserving the right to adjust up or down based on what they do with the additional first and how they firm up the roster otherwise.
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We drafted 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if Grimes was the best value at 25. Trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.
We drafted 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if Grimes was the best value at 25. Trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.
I actually really like Grimes' game. I was targeting him at 32 all along, so not upset they took him a bit earlier.
The heavy protection on the Charlotte pick is weird, but I don't hate the idea. If there's no one you love increase your flexibility and add a basically equal pick for a future year.
Im excited about Grimes, he was a top recruit to Kansas and the only reason he transferred was because he was in the draft pool last year and they gave his scholarship away, so when he came back he had to transfer...he carried Houston and dominated at the combine.
I know nothing about the lithuanian guard other than he scored 31 in a game vs lamelo...
Simms same i dont know anything about other than he can jump out of the building..
1 other note, ita clear the Knicks are going to apend money this offseason, they saved money last night and if Mcbride, Simms and the Lithuanian guard take 2 year deals they have no cap hold and knicks can sign them over the cap
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We drafted 4 really good prospects, but I don't know if Grimes was the best value at 25. Trading the 19th overall pick for a very heavily-protected future first made no sense. Awful trade value.
The heavy protection on the Charlotte pick is weird, but I don't hate the idea. If there's no one you love increase your flexibility and add a basically equal pick for a future year.
Leon did the same thing last year. He traded a very high second round pick (Daniel Oturu) for a future second with the idea being that there will be better talent down the road given the lifting of the age restriction. So yeah, I guess conceivably that heavily-protected Hornets pick could amount to more than the 19th pick this year.
The only way I can make sense of it is if they were interested in pushing the pick back so that they can include it in potential trades in the future.
But the value is shit. It can possibly be 5 slots better in like 4 years? And if not it's a couple of 2s? Oy.
Not only that, but I feel like for Charlotte the needle is pointing up. Not really sure why we were so shy about actually making picks.
Everyone wanted a trade up, but I would've hated the overpay price.
He apparently played against LaMelo Ball in LaMelo's first game in Lithuania. He was actually a year younger than LaMelo at the time and absolutely dominated him.
Trading #19 for essentially the same pick in the next few years or two second round picks gives them some flexibility in future years. Another draft class may produce a better prospect at that spot, or as others have said, the pick could be traded.
Grimes and McBride are fine. I actually didn't think McBride would be available at #32, let alone #36, but I assume he was because he is only 6'2". I don't know anything about the guy from Europe. Sims looks like a rim protector. My guess is at most these players are backups, which is fine. But it looks like the Knicks decided to punt the draft for FA when their guy was gone.
Hahaha, that'd be hilarious.
"Fine, Indiana. You win. We'll give you RJ Barrett for Chris Duarte."
Sims is so athletic, he's got a chance to be a pretty decent defensive big. And he's a lot stronger already than Noel or Rookie Mitch was. That's a good pick at that point in the draft.
Grimes and McBride are perfect Thibs guards. Defenders who can shoot.
Seems unlikely but Carl who has had some inside info said we were really close to moving up for him.
Sims is so athletic, he's got a chance to be a pretty decent defensive big. And he's a lot stronger already than Noel or Rookie Mitch was. That's a good pick at that point in the draft.
Grimes and McBride are perfect Thibs guards. Defenders who can shoot.
But the real question is, can Sims catch? Lol
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Geez Louise. I don't remember a mid-first round pick getting so much trade interest RIGHT AFTER the Draft.
I missed what Carl said, what were the Knicks willing to give up to move up.
Overall, the grade for the draft is a B. I like the fact that they move around and instead of reaching try to get some assets. They have to be gearing up for a trade.
Grimes and McBride should be rotation pieces eventually and when you pick that low, that is all you can ask for as a start. I doubt either of these guys have All-Star potential but they can shoot and play defense. When they chose Keon Johnson before the trade, I was confused, because definitely not the type of player Thibs likes.
The bigger question is trades and free agency. I don't want to see RJ Barrett traded.
I'm happy. Stay the course. You can even say 6 with us getting Simms after the draft. This reminds me of Judge and wanting to build up the bottom of the roster on the Giants. I love the approach. I am assuming we are going to keep our cap space for next year by going with mostly 1 year deals or 1+1 deals like Perry did when we first got here. People criticized him for that saying we should have used it to trade for bad contracts to get assets. Well, we got Randle and in connection Quickley, the Euro kid, and McBride. That's pretty good. I see a similar approach this offseason with maybe one long term contract.
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Updated 2021 cap space projections post-2021 NBA Draft:
1. NYK - $53.5M
2. SAS - $48.9M
3. DAL - $34.3M
4. OKC - $30.9M (after Favors trade)
5. TOR - $23.1M
6. MIA - $20.5M
7. DET - $17.5M (after Plumlee trade)
8. CHA - $8.8M
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Updated 2021 cap space projections post-2021 NBA Draft:
1. NYK - $53.5M
we can probably clear a little more if we dump Knox (might have to attach a pick). I think we get more room if/when we renounce Frank? Also - 21/22 is the last year the Noah stretch is on our cap! Hooray!
we can probably clear a little more if we dump Knox (might have to attach a pick). I think we get more room if/when we renounce Frank? Also - 21/22 is the last year the Noah stretch is on our cap! Hooray!
I believe that number includes renouncing Frank's cap hold. They could theoretically clear around $5M more by releasing Vildoza and Pelle with their non-guaranteed deals for next season.
I heard Butler's been red flagged by a lot of clubs due to injury problems.
Wouldnt be surprised if we start hearing leaks monday morning
Wouldnt be surprised if we start hearing leaks monday morning
May even hear about a couple guys even sooner. "There's strong mutual interest been x player and y team" seems to happen every year and reading between the lines it's a wink wink.
It depends on their opt out date,i assume it is monday