Well, don't think that went in the direction anyone expected.
After spending weeks trying to trade up, and apparently getting close with a couple teams (definitely at least the Pacers?), the Knicks traded both 19 and 21, and picked up a future 1st, 2nd, and 25.
They also traded down from 32 to get 34 and 36 which seems like a fleece any objective way you look at it.
The overall haul:
25: Grimes
34: Jakubaitis
36: McBride
58: Sims
Is pretty solid IMO. Two immediate rotation guys, one draft and stash and a project big with top tier athleticism.
If you told me early yesterday they'd take McBride at 19 and Grimes at 25 I probably wouldn't have been stunned, so to get those guys and two extra future picks is a solid bit of business.
Assuming Jakubaitis stays with Barcelona for a year or two, looks like this is the current roster:
C: Mitch/Sims
PF: Randle/Obi
SF: RJ/Knox
SG: IQ/Grimes
PG: McBride
A lot of work to be done.
Also wanted to mention one more thing about the Charlotte deal that I didn't see posted yesterday (might have just missed it), I doubt the Knicks ever make that pick. Pushing it back a year, even if it ends up being at an equal slot, allows it to be included in trades over the next year and packaged with other picks for a big name. I bet that was a main motivator behind the trade.
Overall I give it a B. Two strong defenders, two low risk high reward guys. Doubt anyone will be a major impact players but Grimes and McBride should both fit in with any roster and be able to eat up some quality minutes off the bench at least, but maybe with some upside down the line.
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actually both Sims and Simms, I think?
The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
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Music to my ears. Hope they get him.
RD1, pick 19: traded for a future RD1 pick. Grade = C.
RD1, pick 25: Quentin Grimes - a solid and physical “two” guard. 6’5” and 210. Excellent shooter/defender. Not necessary an ISO player. Comp is Desmond Bane. Grade = B.
RD2, pick 34: Euro point guard who will remain in Europe for a couple of years. Still he’s a very good player and good long term (trade?) asset. Grade = B-
RD2, pick 36: Deuce McBride. One of my fav players in the draft and and instant MSG fav. Plays like Derek Fisher once did. like Davion Mitchell but to get Deuce 20+ picks after Mitchell is larceny. Grade = A.
RD2, pick 58: Jericho Sims. 6’10” w 7’3” WS. 250 lbs. Grown man’s body. Great athlete, laterally and vertically. One of the top defensive BIGs in this draft. Think Nerlens Noel + 50lbs. Has no offensive game other than dunking but doesn't have bad hands like NN. Grade = B+.
The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
I don't really see the rationale for OKC trading SGA unless they absolutely love RJ. They have more first round picks than they could ever possibly use and it's not like SGA is and older guy that doesn't fit their timeline, he's only 23.
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The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
I don't really see the rationale for OKC trading SGA unless they absolutely love RJ. They have more first round picks than they could ever possibly use and it's not like SGA is and older guy that doesn't fit their timeline, he's only 23.
SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ
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Was all smoke.
The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
I don't really see the rationale for OKC trading SGA unless they absolutely love RJ. They have more first round picks than they could ever possibly use and it's not like SGA is and older guy that doesn't fit their timeline, he's only 23.
SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ
I guess Knicks would be keeping Toppin too. If RJ and SGA don’t fit their timeline then old man Obi doesn’t either lol
SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ
In 4 years, SGA will be 27 in the heart of his prime. The Knicks may want SGA but I'd be pretty stunned if he was actually traded. Using him to get the top pick is one thing if you think Cade is a superstar, franchise changing talent but trading him for a bunch of future picks which may fall anywhere is a whole other animal.
The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
Man SGA would be an amazing get. Rising star entering Year 4 of his rookie deal so you maintain enough cap flexibility to make a run at star(s) next offseason. Not holding my breath because it is so hard to shake a guy like that loose, but that right there is a move that opens a path to being a SERIOUS contender.
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SGA doesn’t fit their timeline and neither does RJ, their not looking to be a contender for 4 years at the earliest. A trade for SGA will involve mostly picks and the Knicks would likely keep RJ
In 4 years, SGA will be 27 in the heart of his prime. The Knicks may want SGA but I'd be pretty stunned if he was actually traded. Using him to get the top pick is one thing if you think Cade is a superstar, franchise changing talent but trading him for a bunch of future picks which may fall anywhere is a whole other animal.
He’s due for his extension next week, they don’t want to shell out all that money while being bad. Also SGA is going to limit the upside of your picks.
they literally just have a bunch of projects on their team
They wanted the pick to get Murphy, Ziaire or Bouknight. Duarte was never on their radar
I knew nothing about him before last night. But he is a pretty interesting dude. Seems like a high IQ small ball five who can handle and pass. That's a pretty narrow role and small ball fives have never seemed like something that Thibs was a big fan of employing. So he'll probably bounce around and then go to Europe unless he somehow becomes Draymond Green lite. But I was surprised by the handle and passing when I watched the highlights. No idea if he can defend.
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the Duarte thing? I mean everyone reported the Knicks interest, so that'd be pretty shocking if it was all a ruse. Who was their real target? Murphy?
They wanted the pick to get Murphy, Ziaire or Bouknight. Duarte was never on their radar
My insight on this is that I was in the final two choices as an agent for Ziaire and Murphy
I find it odd too, but there have been reports (always taken with a grain of salt) that SGA is available for a steep price, and we're in a position to pay a steep price. The OKC draft pick thing has become a bit comical.
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Yup agreed. Two ball dominant players on top of your 23 year old ball dominant guard signifies that he's on the move.
Yup agreed. Two ball dominant players on top of your 23 year old ball dominant guard signifies that he's on the move.
Giddey and SGA is actually a nice fit. Mann was the 18th pick in the draft. At that point if you're not a contending team then you should be picking the top guy on your board. I didn't find that unusual at all
More likely I think is that they're going to make Haliburton and maybe Mitchell available for Ben Simmons
Grimes did well at the combine, but he needs to take a lot of tough shots. Good if he makes them, but there will be lots of 3-for14 nights too. I know we need skilled players, but it’ll be interesting to follow him and Johnson going forward. McBride isn’t as big as Smart, no way he can guard in the post the way Smart can, let’s hope he has better offensive skills. Sims I like, surprised he lasted this long. Would’ve liked Cooper, who would be surprised if he has an Isaiah Thomas like career?
The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
Man this is amazing to hear. An offseason of signing Lowry and trading mostly picks for SGA would be an A+. SGA would be perfect for the Knicks.
Does seem to be a lot of smoke around SGA too. I doubt he wants to continue to sit through tanking seasons. And OKC is cheap ownership who don't want to hand him a max while the team sucks.
Thanks for sharing your information- much appreciated. Lastly, do you think there is any chance Mitchell gets moved?
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Was all smoke.
The most likely scenario for FA is Lowry on a massive 1 year deal or a 1+1.
Said it in a thread in April that their long term plan was to put together a package for whichever one of Donovan Mitchell or SGA came available first, and the trading of 19 for the pick, even how protected it is makes that easier. They’re going to make a full run at SGA now.
Man this is amazing to hear. An offseason of signing Lowry and trading mostly picks for SGA would be an A+. SGA would be perfect for the Knicks.
Does seem to be a lot of smoke around SGA too. I doubt he wants to continue to sit through tanking seasons. And OKC is cheap ownership who don't want to hand him a max while the team sucks.
Thanks for sharing your information- much appreciated. Lastly, do you think there is any chance Mitchell gets moved?
This off-season probably not. It’s well known around the league that Utah “can’t afford” aka doesn’t want to keep their payroll this high and will sell off if they don’t win a ring soon, but I think we’re still a year or two away from Mitchell being moved in my opinion.
Sorry what do you mean by that? They didn't expect to be this competitive?
Love IQ but McBride does make him far more expendable.
What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason?
Thanks again for the intel.
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“I think they’ve got some plans. I’ve had inklings of what I think some of those plans might be, but I’m not quite ready to share them…but I think they’ve got some plans”
Lots of interesting stuff from Zach in regards to the Knicks opening up some extra cap space last night.
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Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now.
Sorry what do you mean by that? They didn't expect to be this competitive?
Yea they didn’t think they’d be this competitive
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Before Mitchell became available but they didn’t expect to be in the position they are in right now.
What would be your best guess on a SGA trade package? 5 first round picks? Do you think it has a chance of happening this offseason?
Thanks again for the intel.
Looking at their other trades where they got picks and young guys they were able to move I’d guess something like:
IQ
Mitch
2022 Knicks pick
2023 Knicks pick
2023 Dallas pick
2025 Knicks pick
If I had to put a number on it I’d say 40% chance it happened this offseason
Yes. 23-5-6 and still only 23.