Well, don't think that went in the direction anyone expected.
After spending weeks trying to trade up, and apparently getting close with a couple teams (definitely at least the Pacers?), the Knicks traded both 19 and 21, and picked up a future 1st, 2nd, and 25.
They also traded down from 32 to get 34 and 36 which seems like a fleece any objective way you look at it.
The overall haul:
25: Grimes
34: Jakubaitis
36: McBride
58: Sims
Is pretty solid IMO. Two immediate rotation guys, one draft and stash and a project big with top tier athleticism.
If you told me early yesterday they'd take McBride at 19 and Grimes at 25 I probably wouldn't have been stunned, so to get those guys and two extra future picks is a solid bit of business.
Assuming Jakubaitis stays with Barcelona for a year or two, looks like this is the current roster:
C: Mitch/Sims
PF: Randle/Obi
SF: RJ/Knox
SG: IQ/Grimes
PG: McBride
A lot of work to be done.
Also wanted to mention one more thing about the Charlotte deal that I didn't see posted yesterday (might have just missed it), I doubt the Knicks ever make that pick. Pushing it back a year, even if it ends up being at an equal slot, allows it to be included in trades over the next year and packaged with other picks for a big name. I bet that was a main motivator behind the trade.
Overall I give it a B. Two strong defenders, two low risk high reward guys. Doubt anyone will be a major impact players but Grimes and McBride should both fit in with any roster and be able to eat up some quality minutes off the bench at least, but maybe with some upside down the line.
If they are indeed interested in him in FA I find it strange that they could’ve had him at the deadline for essentially nothing and decided to pass. Would’ve been a very cheap look at him in their locker room and as an on the court fit
I agree and he misses a lot of games.
I would rather DeRozan on a 2 years 60 million year 2 an option
It’s the PG situation that has me terrified. I want no part of Schroder, and the other options are disappearing already
Yeah you’re probably right about that - may be the case with Fournier too. I think our FA signings will be modest until we make a splash trade of some kind.
Im not including Kawhi in that obviously.
LOL, no fucking way. Fournier can merde right off
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reeks of the typical Knicks being used as leverage by a player’s agent.
Yeah you’re probably right about that - may be the case with Fournier too. I think our FA signings will be modest until we make a splash trade of some kind.
Agreed. In addition to what’s been reported, I have it on fairly good authority that they believe if/when Dame asks out that the Knicks will be atop his wish list. I have no idea if that’s Durant 2.0 or legitimate but I think that’s why they’re not going to cash out assets or stuff their balance sheet with bigger multi year deals. Personally I just don’t see it. I don’t think Dame is going anywhere until next summer if at all and a lot can change quickly in the NBA.
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reeks of the typical Knicks being used as leverage by a player’s agent.
Yeah you’re probably right about that - may be the case with Fournier too. I think our FA signings will be modest until we make a splash trade of some kind.
Agreed. In addition to what’s been reported, I have it on fairly good authority that they believe if/when Dame asks out that the Knicks will be atop his wish list. I have no idea if that’s Durant 2.0 or legitimate but I think that’s why they’re not going to cash out assets or stuff their balance sheet with bigger multi year deals. Personally I just don’t see it. I don’t think Dame is going anywhere until next summer if at all and a lot can change quickly in the NBA.
Stein has been saying this as well..seems like teams around the league dont think its a matter of if but when
Yeah, I too admire his loyalty, but he isn't winning a title in Portland. Isn't that the ultimate goal?
i would not be shocked if when the olympics are over he asks out
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would that have to be a sign-and-trade?
I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible.
I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible.
if you 15 million available in cap you coukd still make the money work to trade for dame..so you could sign roughly 40 million in contracts then trade for dame
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4 years-80 million.
would that have to be a sign-and-trade?
They have 18 million in space and a 20 million cap hold for Lauri Markkanen and the are looking at a sign and trade for him or let him walk.
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timing is gonna suck. It sounds like he wants to wait out the Olympics and first wave of FA which is going to hamstring us a bit. That said there are just no obvious guys to go after.
I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible.
if you 15 million available in cap you coukd still make the money work to trade for dame..so you could sign roughly 40 million in contracts then trade for dame
Doesn’t Dame have like 44 mil in salary? Why would they need only 15 mil?
Also the other issue is signing guys knowing dame will be there vs building a team with him as a question mark.
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timing is gonna suck. It sounds like he wants to wait out the Olympics and first wave of FA which is going to hamstring us a bit. That said there are just no obvious guys to go after.
I still think taking a flyer on Oubre could be a good move at the right price but otherwise just bring back the guys from last year on one year deals and supplement if possible.
if you 15 million available in cap you coukd still make the money work to trade for dame..so you could sign roughly 40 million in contracts then trade for dame
Doesn’t Dame have like 44 mil in salary? Why would they need only 15 mil?
Also the other issue is signing guys knowing dame will be there vs building a team with him as a question mark.
39 million..
Rj, 9, Obi 5, Knox, 5, you can guarantee Luca deal and that is 3.3, then you have bullock's rights where you can sign and trade him to make the difference...
or add in quick at 2.5, which i prefer not to..
Kbicks have flexibility to do it
I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.
Hopefully this never happens unless Knicks getting another superstar. This would be "Portland 2."
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BUT he says Lillard would want to be in New york if/when he asks for a trade, that eould be his number 1 option
Hopefully this never happens unless Knicks getting another superstar. This would be "Portland 2."
Ehhh don’t really agree with that. The current Randle is probably better than anyone he’s played with before and Thibs is definitely the best coach he’s had. Plus they still will have room to maneuver after the trade.
Do the Knicks have any leverage.
Is there anyway you keep RJ?
Trade Robinson, Grimes, OBI, and Quickley and all the picks we can?
I love Dame he is without a doubt my favorite player to watch but at 31 this deal scares the F#&k out of me. I think with RJ, Dame and Randle we are competitive in the east and could finish top 3 in the east.
With one more piece we are pushing to get out of the east.
Do the Knicks have any leverage.
Is there anyway you keep RJ?
Trade Robinson, Grimes, OBI, and Quickley and all the picks we can?
I love Dame he is without a doubt my favorite player to watch but at 31 this deal scares the F#&k out of me. I think with RJ, Dame and Randle we are competitive in the east and could finish top 3 in the east.
With one more piece we are pushing to get out of the east.
I personally don't think there's any chance they keep RJ if they're trading for Dame and I think they'd be okay with that. Dame and Randle in NYC and cap room next year and they'd be able to put together a really good team.
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or freakin Dinwiddie, right?
I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.
He's a fine player no doubt but I think they really need a point guard who can shoot. Having 2 starters who can't shoot really hurt them last year at times.
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BUT he says Lillard would want to be in New york if/when he asks for a trade, that eould be his number 1 option
Hopefully this never happens unless Knicks getting another superstar. This would be "Portland 2."
Ehhh don’t really agree with that. The current Randle is probably better than anyone he’s played with before and Thibs is definitely the best coach he’s had. Plus they still will have room to maneuver after the trade.
1--- Unless they can get another superstar - it doesn't matter that much how good a coach Thibs is - his team still needs players to make plays. Thibs needs players just like any other coach - even though he is a fine - very fine coach.
2---- Randle is an erratic shooter. He is individually better than CJ because he can create - but there is a reason why teams look to put shooters around superstars is that they balance the floor. Randle is terrific for what he is- but part of what he is is erratic. He proved that during the playoffs. Even though Rose was playing well and Young was super in game 1. SO yes he is better than CJ individually but how much better as a fit?
3--- When the Kicks trade for Lillard they are also losing a LOT. We're going to create holes set up to be exposed in the playoffs. Sure every team has them. But that's why I was saying 2 superstars. For example, next year the only way to beat the Nets is they get injured again unless you have multiple superstars.
Add to this he is 31. Where are the Knicks going? True that you can't stop trying just because the Nets are a beast but the issue is Lillard will start to decline as next year during the playoff run he'll be a couple of months away from 32. Might as well call him 32. He'll start to decline soon.
AS he declines - all those draft picks traded to replenish the team will be gone. Gradually all those number 2/ number 3 tier players won't get you out of the 1st round.
Portland did have 1 year of getting to WCF's but look at how we all look at that organization. Having one year in WCF's yet we still look at it a waste for Lillard and the coach being a failure. Each year as Lillard gets older and we don't get him a superstar this year or next - we will be Portland with no stiff of being a title contender on a continual basis.
Would rather add younger guys with upside.
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Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..
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there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight.
Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..
If that’s their off-season, it smells of another 1st round playoff exit in the East next season
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there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight.
Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..
Both have missed a bunch of games
But a lineup of
Dinwiddie
RJ
Randle
Fournier
Robinson
Is pretty strong and if we keep Fournier at 3 years 55 million which is his rumored value it's a trade able contract, Dinwiddie deal can be make or break depending on what it takes
We have plenty of youth to back them up
McBride
Quickley
Obi
Grimes
Sims
Bench
Vildoza
I think Oubre is far more likely.
Dinwiddie for 3/45
Oubre for 2/40, 2nd year a team option
Still have enough cap to fit in Lillard if you need.