Well, don't think that went in the direction anyone expected.
After spending weeks trying to trade up, and apparently getting close with a couple teams (definitely at least the Pacers?), the Knicks traded both 19 and 21, and picked up a future 1st, 2nd, and 25.
They also traded down from 32 to get 34 and 36 which seems like a fleece any objective way you look at it.
The overall haul:
25: Grimes
34: Jakubaitis
36: McBride
58: Sims
Is pretty solid IMO. Two immediate rotation guys, one draft and stash and a project big with top tier athleticism.
If you told me early yesterday they'd take McBride at 19 and Grimes at 25 I probably wouldn't have been stunned, so to get those guys and two extra future picks is a solid bit of business.
Assuming Jakubaitis stays with Barcelona for a year or two, looks like this is the current roster:
C: Mitch/Sims
PF: Randle/Obi
SF: RJ/Knox
SG: IQ/Grimes
PG: McBride
A lot of work to be done.
Also wanted to mention one more thing about the Charlotte deal that I didn't see posted yesterday (might have just missed it), I doubt the Knicks ever make that pick. Pushing it back a year, even if it ends up being at an equal slot, allows it to be included in trades over the next year and packaged with other picks for a big name. I bet that was a main motivator behind the trade.
Overall I give it a B. Two strong defenders, two low risk high reward guys. Doubt anyone will be a major impact players but Grimes and McBride should both fit in with any roster and be able to eat up some quality minutes off the bench at least, but maybe with some upside down the line.
Whether they're aggressive or not, things will kept quiet until they make their move(s).
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In comment 15319011 Strahan91 said:
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there's been essentially nothing but speculation mostly on the Knicks. Either they're not going to be aggressive in FA like last your or things are just really buttoned up tight.
Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..
If that’s their off-season, it smells of another 1st round playoff exit in the East next season
Dinwiddie, fournier, Rj Randle and Mitch is a strong starting 5..
and still room to add more, plenty of drsft picks..could still trade for a star
I think Oubre is far more likely.
Dinwiddie for 3/45
Oubre for 2/40, 2nd year a team option
Still have enough cap to fit in Lillard if you need.
There has been rumors of mutual interest and up until yesterday people seemd to thinknhe was going back to Boston..
But Boston just added Rochardson and are up against the tax, so either they dont want him back or know he is signing elsewhere
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or freakin Dinwiddie, right?
I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.
Of all the things I’ve heard about Dinwiddie this offseason, the “right price” isn’t one of them. He wants to get paid as 98% of them do and should want. He’s not going to do the Knicks any favors with a short deal unless there’s truly nothing else out there.
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or freakin Dinwiddie, right?
I'd be ok with Dinwiddie at the right price.
Of all the things I’ve heard about Dinwiddie this offseason, the “right price” isn’t one of them. He wants to get paid as 98% of them do and should want. He’s not going to do the Knicks any favors with a short deal unless there’s truly nothing else out there.
the right price doesn't mean a discount. If it's a fair market deal than so be it. As long as it's not a huge overpay (e.g. 4/120). He fills a huge need.
He is a Thibs type of point
Dan Metro Man is salivating
Okaaaaay.....
Give him two year max with player option year 3. Pay him to rehab year one.
Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..
Agree on Fournier but I think they go in a different direction at the point. Hunch is it'll be Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne or Schroder on a 1+1 deal. Restricted guys on a multi-year deal I could see too, either Graham or Nunn.
'We always had...(something).'
When I talk about Dinwiddie not doing the Knicks any favors, I mean he wouldn’t take a 2 year deal or 1 and 1 unless the market forced him to. I have no desire whatsoever to give him 4 years. Same goes for Fournier.
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Gut feeling it will be Dinwiddie and Fournier..
Agree on Fournier but I think they go in a different direction at the point. Hunch is it'll be Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne or Schroder on a 1+1 deal. Restricted guys on a multi-year deal I could see too, either Graham or Nunn.
Cam Payne is a real interesting option. More upside than usual as a UFA. He should come cheaper than the big name guys.
Is Kawhi going to be a franchise player after the knee surgery though? He's had an injury history with his right leg aside from the knee. I think it would be worthwhile for a year or two, but after that, he could drop off substantially
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Is Kawhi going to be a franchise player after the knee surgery though? He's had an injury history with his right leg aside from the knee. I think it would be worthwhile for a year or two, but after that, he could drop off substantially
No way he leaves LA. It's a pipe dream and LA can't let him walk away.
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Multiple teams I’ve spoken with have said the message from Phoenix is abundantly clear that Chris Paul will re-up with the #Suns and therefore have little reason to pursue him in FA — despite the immense interest CP would command.
Cam Payne is a real interesting option. More upside than usual as a UFA. He should come cheaper than the big name guys.
Agreed. I think Graham and Nunn are similar in that sense. There could be untapped upside with all of those guys because of the roles they've played thus far.
The Bulls for example need to get Al Farouq Aminu off the books to get space for Lonzo.
Trading a future 2nd for Aminu and a future 1st is a no brainer move they should do.
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The #Knicks have been trying hard to get #Pacers to part with Myles Turner. So far, not happening. This and other intel entering free agency. They don’t seem in a hurry to bust up their core.
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The #Knicks have been trying hard to get #Pacers to part with Myles Turner. So far, not happening. This and other intel entering free agency. They don’t seem in a hurry to bust up their core.
I really like Turner's game. I'd absolutely trade Mitch + for him. His ability to hit the 3 should open up a ton for Randle.
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The #Knicks have been trying hard to get #Pacers to part with Myles Turner. So far, not happening. This and other intel entering free agency. They don’t seem in a hurry to bust up their core.
I really like Turner's game. I'd absolutely trade Mitch + for him. His ability to hit the 3 should open up a ton for Randle.
Could be why thry picked up Mitchs option..
if they wanted to resign him made more sense to decline it and make him restricted
I think the reason they’d be trading Turner is because he can’t really play with Sabonis. They’d have the same problem with Mitch. I’d assume if they were interested (which it doesn’t sound like they are), they’d be more interested in Toppin.
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Knox, the Charlotte First, and a 2nd for Turner. Would the Pacers turn that down?
I think the reason they’d be trading Turner is because he can’t really play with Sabonis. They’d have the same problem with Mitch. I’d assume if they were interested (which it doesn’t sound like they are), they’d be more interested in Toppin.
Do they think Sabonis is a center? I don't think he offers enough rim protection or size there.
I agree with Jon in NYC.
"Good feelings" is for fans to feel. However, it shouldn't be the driving force for smart ownership.
So what- they regress? Do we think the NBA players are all of suddenly going to forget that Thibs is one helluva coach?
Or-- if they regress just a little but Randle is a stud-- how is that bad? And if he follows up with a bad year- then you still have all of your other young talent rather than selling the farm for one player in which the Knicks aren't going anywhere anyway.
Depends on the contract.
Dinwiddie-RJ-Oubre-Randle-Mitch
is a much better starting 5 than last year. Then have an all youth bench of McBride-IQ-Grimes-Obi
It's an interesting team with upside.
He gets bits and pieces now that hr doesnt work there anymore, so take fwiw
I agree with Jon in NYC.
"Good feelings" is for fans to feel. However, it shouldn't be the driving force for smart ownership.
So what- they regress? Do we think the NBA players are all of suddenly going to forget that Thibs is one helluva coach?
Or-- if they regress just a little but Randle is a stud-- how is that bad? And if he follows up with a bad year- then you still have all of your other young talent rather than selling the farm for one player in which the Knicks aren't going anywhere anyway.
Those good feelings got the Clippers PG and Kawhi and the Nets their big 3. The league has a short memory. Thibs had a great year with Minnesota then it went downhill and the narrative became "the game passed him by", "Thibs style doesn't work in the modern NBA".
But I wasn't talking about selling the farm for one player. I was referring to FA. The reason they'd be punting *is* to go big fish hunting after all. That much is clear. So essentially we are saying the same thing.
He gets bits and pieces now that hr doesnt work there anymore, so take fwiw
No surprise there. At the right price, that'd be a solid move. Still surprised there's little indication as to what they're thinking at pg given how much the hole there sticks out like a sore thumb.
Do they think Sabonis is a center? I don't think he offers enough rim protection or size there.
Yeah they do. Carlisle was already talking about "staggering" those two.
We know what he is at this point, 18 PPG shooter, good not great %s, no real upside and an iffy defender.
I'd probably be pissed if we spend a substantial amount of cap on him. I'd rather have Bullock back at half the number.
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Do they think Sabonis is a center? I don't think he offers enough rim protection or size there.
Yeah they do. Carlisle was already talking about "staggering" those two.
In that case then a trade for Obi could make sense. Would have to work on moving Mitch for something else -- maybe part of the Lillard deal.
We know what he is at this point, 18 PPG shooter, good not great %s, no real upside and an iffy defender.
I'd probably be pissed if we spend a substantial amount of cap on him. I'd rather have Bullock back at half the number.
Thinking about this a little more, he basically is the pro version of Duarte, so this does make sense. I still think it comes down to the contract. He's probably a league average SG and will be for 3/4 years. No way I'd touch 4/80, but I'd maybe do 3/45, but I bet someone would give him more than that.