Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Bryant has been linked to the Mets for weeks but Baez is in the discussions as well. Baez could replace his great friend Lindor at SS, then switch to 2B once Lindor returns. Baez said aloud this week he wanted to team with Francisco. So either Bryant or Baez are possible for NYM.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Zach Davies is a target for the Mets, who remain most focused on pitching. But his more high-profile teammates Kris Bryant and Javier Baez (one or the other) are also Mets possibilities.
Some of you sound ridiculous and then others agree.
It's ok to say it's a shitty trade even if you support the reasons they made it. You don't have to put your head in the sand
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The #Mets have reportedly acquired SS Javier Baez ($8.7M median trade value) and RHP Trevor Williams ($2.1M) from the #Cubs in exchange for OF Pete Crow-Armstrong ($17.5M).
The deal is accepted, but as a major overpay by New York.
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Even as an overpay, this seems in line with some of the crazy deals we've seen today.
Additionally, Crow-Armstrong is a particularly high-variance prospect, given his age and questions about his bat.
I mean the comment is pretty self explanatory. Mets made a trade for one of the most exciting players in baseball and some choose to cry about losing a 19 year old prospect instead. Shitty trade or not (no one actually knows) why would anyone choose to be upset about something that might go bad in 3 years? And you're analogy is fine, except I would happily enjoy a $16,000 pint of ice cream if Steve Cohen is paying for it.
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The Mets need to make one more move for a pitcher. Trevor Williams cannot be our only pitching addition.
rich hill
OK. Forgot about him. But even with the addition of Williams and Hill, the needle needs to be moved a bit further. Baez is a nice acquisition but this team needs pitching.
sure, if he's extended that can change things, but expanding on what I said before to me this means the Mets think deGrom will be fine and he's not far from joining the rotation.
Otherwise, Baez was a FA after the season and would have been available just for a contract (assuming he was traded elsewhere).
If the Mets do not contend this season they gave up a top 5 prospect at a thin position in a thin system for no reason.
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The Mets need to make one more move for a pitcher. Trevor Williams cannot be our only pitching addition.
rich hill
OK. Forgot about him. But even with the addition of Williams and Hill, the needle needs to be moved a bit further. Baez is a nice acquisition but this team needs pitching.
there is still a few mins
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That site vastly overrates the long term value of prospects and I think underrates Baez because it does not take into account that he wants to play with Lindor. I am sure the Mets reached out to his camp to see if they would be reasonable on a long term deal.
sure, if he's extended that can change things, but expanding on what I said before to me this means the Mets think deGrom will be fine and he's not far from joining the rotation.
Otherwise, Baez was a FA after the season and would have been available just for a contract (assuming he was traded elsewhere).
If the Mets do not contend this season they gave up a top 5 prospect at a thin position in a thin system for no reason.
You already admitted you're a "pospect hugger" which is fine but other people get excited when their team brings in exciting players that have reached very high levels of play at the big league level. The Mets are trying to win a division THIS year. Baez will help.
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That site vastly overrates the long term value of prospects and I think underrates Baez because it does not take into account that he wants to play with Lindor. I am sure the Mets reached out to his camp to see if they would be reasonable on a long term deal.
sure, if he's extended that can change things, but expanding on what I said before to me this means the Mets think deGrom will be fine and he's not far from joining the rotation.
Otherwise, Baez was a FA after the season and would have been available just for a contract (assuming he was traded elsewhere).
If the Mets do not contend this season they gave up a top 5 prospect at a thin position in a thin system for no reason.
You already admitted you're a "pospect hugger" which is fine but other people get excited when their team brings in exciting players that have reached very high levels of play at the big league level. The Mets are trying to win a division THIS year. Baez will help.
My comment was about people being excited, I think Baez can add a spark, maybe, and I hope he does, but my comment was about the people being excited for some reason insulting people who feel like to get that player (Baez) the Mets paid too much.
not sure why it cannot be both. or why people feel the need to insult others for their opinions.
also in terms of prospect valuation, FG values 45 grade prospects as worth $6m. 45+ are worth $8m. 50 grade jump up to $28m. They've had PCA ranked as a 45, and obviously he's also an injured 45. Which is context that matters compared to another 45 like Vientos who is obviously in the midst of a monster season. For PCA to bump up to a 50 he would probably have to hit a lot when he comes back. Not impossible and at all but not a given.
At the MLB level I believe fwar are generally valued between $5-10m so if he produces 1-2 fwar in the back half of the year, it's a pretty even up trade. As Mike said if he fits really well and wants to remain here there's bigger upside.
Again, I'm bummed to give up a potential GG Cf, but I'm more pumped to get an actual GG middle infielder to combo with Lindor. And not only that but a GG middle infielder who may outhomer Alonso this year. And if there's a reasonable multi-year deal to be had even better.
jd can also play LF
Bart isn't in the deal. Report was incorrect
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
Cubs receive OF Alexander Canario (No. 9 SF prospect per
@MLBPipeline
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Alonso, Baez, Lindor, McNeil/Davis.
Defense is phenomenal up the middle and the offense at third makes up for a little less than average defense there.
McNeil can also play OF.
Lost in the deal is the Mets got a lot better vs LH pitching.
Baez with a .965 OPS and BA of .301 vs lefties this year. Career .882 OPS vs lefties. He's also having a really good July.
This deal makes the Mets better defensively and offensively.
No idea if it's the upcoming CBA or owners pocketed more cash than they expected last year with the lower player salaries but I think we saw more buyers this year than the last decade combined (which explains why prices were higher too).
Deesha
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The Twins wanted a package that included at least Dominic Smith and shortstop prospect Ronny Mauricio from Mets for Jose Berrios, per sources.
Mets maintained Minnesota’s request was too high.
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The Twins wanted a package that included at least Dominic Smith and shortstop prospect Ronny Mauricio from Mets for Jose Berrios, per sources.
Mets maintained Minnesota’s request was too high. Link - ( New Window )
At Least??? LMFAO.
Deesha
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The Twins wanted a package that included at least Dominic Smith and shortstop prospect Ronny Mauricio from Mets for Jose Berrios, per sources.
Mets maintained Minnesota’s request was too high. Link - ( New Window )
I think that demonstrates that Dom is well thought of.
Oh well, the biggest improvement should come from within. Pray for health and guys to play up to career averages.
Deesha
@DeeshaThosar
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The Twins wanted a package that included at least Dominic Smith and shortstop prospect Ronny Mauricio from Mets for Jose Berrios, per sources.
Mets maintained Minnesota’s request was too high. Link - ( New Window )
that Blue Jays traded included a top 20 prospect (Martin) and a top 70 (SWR).
So, the Twins got a good deal.
Oh well, the biggest improvement should come from within. Pray for health and guys to play up to career averages.
I'd guess they expect a starter to go to the BP and whoever that is to be as good or better than what was available. If the other SP get healthy someone like Megill could be a weapon out of the pen. Also a good use of his innings if he's capped.
Even if it were Harvey, I'd have liked to see them add 1 more arm though.
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A lot of good names moved for peanuts.
Oh well, the biggest improvement should come from within. Pray for health and guys to play up to career averages.
I'd guess they expect a starter to go to the BP and whoever that is to be as good or better than what was available. If the other SP get healthy someone like Megill could be a weapon out of the pen. Also a good use of his innings if he's capped.
Even if it were Harvey, I'd have liked to see them add 1 more arm though.
if thor makes it back hes going in the pen
Agreed but I think they had some room to go before they hit it and there's no more waivers deadline, so presumably not much risk in having any more cushion. But I guess you never know. Maybe they are guessing someone with a decent salary gets cut or something.
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The Cubs included enough cash in their deal with the Mets to pay Baez and Williams' contracts down so the Mets will pay just the league-minimum, per source.
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Makes no sense to go into the penalty by only a million dollars or so. If you’re going to go over, really go over.
Agreed but I think they had some room to go before they hit it and there's no more waivers deadline, so presumably not much risk in having any more cushion. But I guess you never know. Maybe they are guessing someone with a decent salary gets cut or something.
they wee also trying to add another pitcher before the deadline
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Makes no sense to go into the penalty by only a million dollars or so. If you’re going to go over, really go over.
Agreed but I think they had some room to go before they hit it and there's no more waivers deadline, so presumably not much risk in having any more cushion. But I guess you never know. Maybe they are guessing someone with a decent salary gets cut or something.
they wee also trying to add another pitcher before the deadline
That too good point.
I expect him to be signed. He is real close with Lindor, and the two of them were on the PR team for the WBC together.
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The Mets need to make one more move for a pitcher. Trevor Williams cannot be our only pitching addition.
rich hill
And Carrasco.
Well this post didn't age well
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Or do we think he’ll be signed long term.
I expect him to be signed. He is real close with Lindor, and the two of them were on the PR team for the WBC together.
I’d be surprised if that’s where they put their money but if it’s what Lindor wants I think it will be considered.
If they do, I would think that is definitely the end for Conforto which will leave them with big holes in the outfield.
Matt Harvey
Orioles starting pitcher Matt Harvey throws six scoreless innings against the Tigers, marking his third consecutive start without allowing a run
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Or do we think he’ll be signed long term.
I expect him to be signed. He is real close with Lindor, and the two of them were on the PR team for the WBC together.
I’d be surprised if that’s where they put their money but if it’s what Lindor wants I think it will be considered.
If they do, I would think that is definitely the end for Conforto which will leave them with big holes in the outfield.
Conforto is a big hole in the OF right now. If it were between them, I would pay Baez
But J.D. is controllable at third, and McNeil can play corner outfield, so I can see McNeil replacing Conforto in RF. However, we're probably getting DH next year, so it makes no sense for Dom to remain a LFer. Nimmo could also move to a corner, and then I guess a lot depends on Khalil Lee, who Ks a bunch, but could take over in CF. FWIW, Lee has an .852 OPS in AAA this year, bolstered by a ~20% walk rate. But I just don't know if you can count on Lee next year as a ML starter in a big market team OF.
The Mets could certainly hedge with Pillar in CF next year, or platoon him with Lee and Nimmo and mix and match LF and 3rd, and this is where a surprise candidate could emerge...Mark Vientos. Probably not early in the season, but say he's promoted to AAA to start next year, say he crushes it in the Spring and in AAA...then I don't have to squint too hard to see him in Queens around the ASB of '22.
And if Conforto continues to struggle at the plate this season, he could sign a QO to re-establish his value.
Since when?
I think Conforto is done in NY
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and I had a hard time seeing anyone giving him the kind of crazy money that he was rumored to be asking for before this season. I'd be really surprised if he doesn't take a 1 year deal this offseason. I'd be open to getting him on a 2 or 3 year deal at a FMV but I doubt he settles for that.
I think Conforto is done in NY
Who is paying him though? I doubt anyone would even risk matching the Ozuna/Castellanos contracts for him, and that's half of what his rumored asking price was when the NYM were talking about an extension. I do think the NYM would sign him to that type of extension and I do think they will offer him a QO so I'd be surprised if he's not back.