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GF1080 : 7/30/2021 9:39 am
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Bryant has been linked to the Mets for weeks but Baez is in the discussions as well. Baez could replace his great friend Lindor at SS, then switch to 2B once Lindor returns. Baez said aloud this week he wanted to team with Francisco. So either Bryant or Baez are possible for NYM.

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Zach Davies is a target for the Mets, who remain most focused on pitching. But his more high-profile teammates Kris Bryant and Javier Baez (one or the other) are also Mets possibilities.
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Joel Sherman  
johnnyb : 7/30/2021 2:53 pm : link
reporting Mets close to a deal for Baez and possibly a pitcher.
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pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 2:54 pm : link
Bleacher Report
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BREAKING: METS MAKE A SPLASH Flushed face @BRWalkoff


New York is finalizing a deal for Javier Báez from Cubs, per multiple reports
Baez to Mets  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2021 2:55 pm : link
Meh…
Mets get Williams to  
KevinBBWC : 7/30/2021 2:56 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
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Source confirms: Báez and Trevor Williams to Mets, pending medical review. First with Báez: @feinsand
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I have no interest in Baez  
Cyrus the Great : 7/30/2021 2:56 pm : link
massively overrated. Lifetime 103 OPS+(barely above average), which would be the lowest of the Mets 8 position players if they were all healthy. His defense is good, but I dont want his bat in the lineup. Hope they dont overpay for a big name who may even be an offensive downgrade in the lineup.
What a defensive unit.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/30/2021 2:57 pm : link
Can't wait to watch them play.
Trevor  
Eli owns all : 7/30/2021 2:57 pm : link
Williams also part of deal
Hope the Mets  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 2:59 pm : link
did not give up a lot, I don't view Baez or Williams as needle movers.

but bigger fish would have cost more, only hope these two didn't cost a ton.
No way we gave up one of the top tier prospects here  
Metnut : 7/30/2021 3:00 pm : link
right?
RE: Hope the Mets  
KevinBBWC : 7/30/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15317867 pjcas18 said:
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did not give up a lot, I don't view Baez or Williams as needle movers.

but bigger fish would have cost more, only hope these two didn't cost a ton.


I hope so to.
Williams is having a terrible season  
moespree : 7/30/2021 3:02 pm : link
I don't think it's hyperbole to say he may immediately be the worst pitcher on the Mets.
RE: No way we gave up one of the top tier prospects here  
KevinBBWC : 7/30/2021 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15317870 Metnut said:
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right?


Hopefully they didn't overpay.
Linder not having that great of a season either.  
johnnyb : 7/30/2021 3:03 pm : link
Defense will certainly be a welcomed addition.
Making taking  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 3:04 pm : link
Williams lessened the player they had to give CHI to get Baez.

sadly, I don't believe that will be the case.

Always braced for the worst, because I'm an unapologetic prospect hugger.
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pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 3:04 pm : link
*maybe
Armstrong in the deal??? wow  
KevinBBWC : 7/30/2021 3:05 pm : link
Bob Nightengale
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Center fielder Pete Crow Armstrong will be going to the #Cubs from the #Mets in the Baez trade
My cubs  
RicFlair : 7/30/2021 3:06 pm : link
Selling off everyone huh.
RE: Armstrong in the deal??? wow  
moze1021 : 7/30/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15317887 KevinBBWC said:
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Bob Nightengale
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Center fielder Pete Crow Armstrong will be going to the #Cubs from the #Mets in the Baez trade

Wow...another one now where we kind of have to extend Baez to justify this...

But..at least it's not Baty, Alvarez, Mauricio
Why???  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 3:07 pm : link
why include PCA in this deal.

It sounds like  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2021 3:08 pm : link
PCA is the only player Mets are giving up
We traded PCA??  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2021 3:08 pm : link
You gotta be effing kidding me.

Awful deal.
Sounds like  
RicFlair : 7/30/2021 3:12 pm : link
As a Cubs fan I should be happy about this deal?
And the Yanks get Bryant  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2021 3:12 pm : link
Mets really failed this deadline. Damn
RE: We traded PCA??  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15317897 ZGiants98 said:
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You gotta be effing kidding me.

Awful deal.


Don't get me wrong, PCA looked intriguing before he got hurt, but if Baez signs longterm (he said he would change positions to play with Lindor) next year you have McNeil or Cano at 2B and Baez at 3B. Once Cano's monstrosity is over you slide Baez to 2B and Baty at 3B. Mauricio has to go somewhere so you put him in CF. Where does that leave PCA?
RE: Sounds like  
allstarjim : 7/30/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15317901 RicFlair said:
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As a Cubs fan I should be happy about this deal?


PCA was viewed as the CF of the future for the Mets.
RE: Sounds like  
Ira : 7/30/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15317901 RicFlair said:
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As a Cubs fan I should be happy about this deal?


I think so.
RE: And the Yanks get Bryant  
KDubbs : 7/30/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15317902 ZGiants98 said:
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Mets really failed this deadline. Damn


you mean rizzo?
Don't like it at all  
moespree : 7/30/2021 3:15 pm : link
Does not move the needle much. The trade really does nothing for the Mets in my opinion. Maybe makes them marginally improved, but not enough to justify trading top prospects.

And Williams is awful. Guy might not even still be on the team by the end of the season.
RE: Sounds like  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2021 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15317901 RicFlair said:
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As a Cubs fan I should be happy about this deal?


Depends what you think of Baez. PCA, for a HS kid who did not play after being drafted due to COVID shutting down the minors, did not look out of place in a small sample size before getting hurt. He was doing it as one of the youngest players in his league. The hit tool is legit as well as the defense. The one question he has will be how much in game power actually develops.
The Mets are putting  
allstarjim : 7/30/2021 3:17 pm : link
A premium on defense. This gives them one of the best middle infields in baseball.

Maybe a little more power from 2B, and a great base runner. McNeil will play third a lot more when Lindor is back, J.D. vs lefties.

My guess is when Lindor returns we see a lot less Villar.
People really dont know  
Everyone Relax : 7/30/2021 3:19 pm : link
how to just enjoy something do they? Mets got a gold glove fielder and all around exciting player for a prospect who isnt going to see a MLB field for 3 years at least?
I like PCA  
KDavies : 7/30/2021 3:19 pm : link
don’t get me wrong. But they should be able to resign him. Lindor and Baez are very close. I’d be a lot more upset if they gave up Alvarez, Baty, or Mauricio. Maybe even Vientos. PCA is 2-3 years from making his debut.

Mayer says Mets about  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2021 3:20 pm : link
To deal for “another pitcher”
RE: RE: We traded PCA??  
moze1021 : 7/30/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15317903 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15317897 ZGiants98 said:


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You gotta be effing kidding me.

Awful deal.



Don't get me wrong, PCA looked intriguing before he got hurt, but if Baez signs longterm (he said he would change positions to play with Lindor) next year you have McNeil or Cano at 2B and Baez at 3B. Once Cano's monstrosity is over you slide Baez to 2B and Baty at 3B. Mauricio has to go somewhere so you put him in CF. Where does that leave PCA?


Lol...I literally forgot that Cano was a Met. Hopefully he retires.
RE: RE: And the Yanks get Bryant  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15317906 KDubbs said:
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In comment 15317902 ZGiants98 said:


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Mets really failed this deadline. Damn



you mean rizzo?


No rumors they were in on Bryant too. Guess just rumors still.
RE: People really dont know  
Chris684 : 7/30/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15317913 Everyone Relax said:
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how to just enjoy something do they? Mets got a gold glove fielder and all around exciting player for a prospect who isnt going to see a MLB field for 3 years at least?


My thoughts exactly!
Baez is a fine rental to add  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2021 3:25 pm : link
But he arguably makes the lineup worse once Lindor is back if he’s taking McNeil or Davis’s spot. Yeah defense and speed is nice but we need offense more than anything right now.

It’s fine overall but PCA was WAY too much to give up. His surgery was on his non throwing arm. Unless, his surgery was a complete disaster I wouldn’t have given him up.
I like PCA a lot but I think Baez is a very big add  
Eric on Li : 7/30/2021 3:26 pm : link
he's literally the reigning GG at SS (+4 DRS this year) and can play anywhere in the IF (+7 at 3b over 600 innings his career, +13 at 2b in 1800 innings). He has 22 homers and 65 rbis. For defense alone I'd prefer Baez > Bryant. He can absolutely be a difference maker. The guy was the MVP runner up just a couple years ago and now he gets to play with Lindor and Alonso and the rest.

Losing PCA sucks even with the injury. No sugar coating that. He sounded like a potential GG CF so even if Mauricio and 1 of Baty/Vientos move to the OF, CF will still be thin. Unless Mauricio moves to CF? I would have liked to get a better 2nd player in this deal. Williams is better than Eikhoff but that's about it.

This stings but I do think Baez is a big time addition. He is absolutely the type of high upside pickup I was hoping for.
nimmos improved play in cf  
CGiants07 : 7/30/2021 3:28 pm : link
has to be a factor
Possibly Maeda  
five5 : 7/30/2021 3:28 pm : link
RE: I like PCA a lot but I think Baez is a very big add  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15317924 Eric on Li said:
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he's literally the reigning GG at SS (+4 DRS this year) and can play anywhere in the IF (+7 at 3b over 600 innings his career, +13 at 2b in 1800 innings). He has 22 homers and 65 rbis. For defense alone I'd prefer Baez > Bryant. He can absolutely be a difference maker. The guy was the MVP runner up just a couple years ago and now he gets to play with Lindor and Alonso and the rest.

Losing PCA sucks even with the injury. No sugar coating that. He sounded like a potential GG CF so even if Mauricio and 1 of Baty/Vientos move to the OF, CF will still be thin. Unless Mauricio moves to CF? I would have liked to get a better 2nd player in this deal. Williams is better than Eikhoff but that's about it.

This stings but I do think Baez is a big time addition. He is absolutely the type of high upside pickup I was hoping for.


A better 2nd player probably adds to the prospects they give up. Is Davies that much better than Williams? It looks like Williams's biggest issue is the long ball. If Hefner sees something he can fix in the short term at least we have another playable arm so we can avoid Eickhoff, Banda, etc.
RE: nimmos improved play in cf  
Eric on Li : 7/30/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15317927 CGiants07 said:
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has to be a factor


I kind of doubt that. I think more likely is if they are considering shifting Mauricio and others to the OF who would be higher on the prospect depth chart than PCA. Plus the injury uncertainty probably makes it easier to deal him now even if the prognosis is a full recovery (kind of like when they almost dealt Wheeler for Gomez).

So with so many IF'ers on the big league roster, do we think this means JDD (or someone else) getting traded out? Maybe JDD for a pitcher? Mayer is saying they are about to add someone and floated Maeda.
JD Davis  
five5 : 7/30/2021 3:32 pm : link
You would think he might get dealt after this deal. How many IFers can you have?
Mike - I guess it depends on any follow up deals  
Eric on Li : 7/30/2021 3:35 pm : link
if they trade JDD for a better pitcher than whatever the Cubs have I get it.
Isn't Baez like a year removed from being a 6+ WAR player?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/30/2021 3:38 pm : link
A change of scenery and him clearly and loudly saying he wants to play here with Lindor might help.
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PakistanPete : 7/30/2021 3:39 pm : link
I imagine there is another trade coming involving J.D. who I'll be sad to see go just from a fan perspective.

I think this is a decent move. No way imo does this make us arguably worse when Lindor returns.
WTF does can't you eevn enjoy anything mean?  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 3:40 pm : link
Yeah, that ice cream I bought at the store is delicious, I'm just going to sit here an enjoy it even though I paid $18,000 for that pint of ice cream.

Some of you sound ridiculous and then others agree.

It's ok to say it's a shitty trade even if you support the reasons they made it. You don't have to put your head in the sand



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Baseball Trade Values
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The #Mets have reportedly acquired SS Javier Baez ($8.7M median trade value) and RHP Trevor Williams ($2.1M) from the #Cubs in exchange for OF Pete Crow-Armstrong ($17.5M).

The deal is accepted, but as a major overpay by New York.


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Baseball Trade Values
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Even as an overpay, this seems in line with some of the crazy deals we've seen today.

Additionally, Crow-Armstrong is a particularly high-variance prospect, given his age and questions about his bat.
pjcas  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2021 3:44 pm : link
That site vastly overrates the long term value of prospects and I think underrates Baez because it does not take into account that he wants to play with Lindor. I am sure the Mets reached out to his camp to see if they would be reasonable on a long term deal.
It’s almost witching hour.  
johnnyb : 7/30/2021 3:45 pm : link
The Mets need to make one more move for a pitcher. Trevor Williams cannot be our only pitching addition.
RE: It’s almost witching hour.  
CGiants07 : 7/30/2021 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15317945 johnnyb said:
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The Mets need to make one more move for a pitcher. Trevor Williams cannot be our only pitching addition.

rich hill
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