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and likely out until September. Not the news we wanted.

I mean why go out and get Baez but not add any starter. Would have preferred they did nothing If they thought DeGrom wasn’t going to be back soon. We aren’t going anywhere without him.

and the Phillies and Braves are smelling blood in the water by making multiple upgrades.

Stroman-Walker-Carrasco-Megill-Hill and the Big BATS will have to get us to the postseason.

LGM!

And been borderline horrible since all star break. Delightful

whatever. hit their way through the rest of the regular season and get him back in September. and then hire a completely new performance team in the offseason.

In comment 15318079 bhill410 said:

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And been borderline horrible since all star break. Delightful

Some of you are unbelievable with this crap. Walker has had poor outings the last three times he’s pitched. Probably because he’s pitched more innings this year than the last TWO years combined. And THATS actually in line with when he started struggling. He’s clearly hit a wall that the Mets are going to need to manage.

The four Walker starts AFTER the sticky stuff crackdown? 4 runs, 1 run, 2 runs, 2 runs. Sure, he’s really “stunk since the sticky stuff crackdown.”

Come on guys. Gimme a break.

When is deGrom going to get surgery? I mean, you all know that’s where this is headed, right? What he is going through is so far from normal. Hope I’m wrong.

Fucking

Sucks

Bases loaded and no outs - no runs. That’s the type of shit that comes back to haunt you. Now watch Gray shut them down for the next 6 innings.

Bases loaded nobody out in bottom of first and can’t score. Ugh!

How is Villar the better choice?

Mikey, so bad....I was hoping he'd hit into a DP just to get the run in!

Play RF?

was looking at those donuts, lol.

This is just ridiculous.

In comment 15318105 dannysection 313 said:

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How is Villar the better choice? Mikey, so bad....I was hoping he'd hit into a DP just to get the run in!

defensively?

playing tomorrow?

sometimes. 2 more strikeouts in 2 ABs tonight. First one was a killer. Even a double play ground ball gets a run home.

Can Hefner maybe work some magic on him at some point?

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In comment 15318101 CooperDash said:

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Bases loaded and no outs - no runs. That’s the type of shit that comes back to haunt you. Now watch Gray shut them down for the next 6 innings.

Yeah, as I was saying…

The Mets at risk of losing another home series

something. He’s abhorrent and an anchor on this team.

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In comment 15318144 CooperDash said:

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something. He’s abhorrent and an anchor on this team.

Better off with Pillar and Fargas

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he should take Castro's spot in the pecking order

but they just mentioned the Cespedes pick up, and while the team is in a very different situation from '15, as players there are a lot of similarities between him and Baez. Both free swingers but still capable of hitting for solid average despite a lot of K's. Both enormous power. Both dynamic athletes. Both gold glovers with some position flexibility.

6 years ago nobody could have predicted Cespedes would do what he did and the team would go to the WS. There's no way to predict what Baez will do now. I think we can appreciate that they added a player whose ceiling is really high in terms of what he can contribute if things go well. After the LAD did what they did they absolutely needed more talent and they got it.

Just another horrible pitcher in our AMAZING system.

No offense of course but Cespedes was a wRC+ 130s hitter for the Mets and Long basically helped fix his swing to put him above even that during the 2015 stretch.

Baez is a barely league average bat. He just isnt a good a hitter.

Sure defense at SS is nice while Lindor is out, a little speed is nice... he's just not that kind of guy that will carry us IMO.

Would love to be wrong...

The game. Its shit like that that makes me still question Rojas...

We might have had a chance right now... Instead its a guaranteed loss.

Conforto has completely lost me this year. He’ll be 29 next year. I’m past the point of thinking that we’ll be missing out on a great player if he leaves. I would not extend him at all. Time to move on.

Nothing special about him. Entirely replaceable.

In comment 15318197 moespree said:

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Nothing special about him. Entirely replaceable.

JAG. NO longer the blossoming All Star outfielder

I'm fine moving on from him at this point but I could certainly see him putting up a big year or 2 away from NY somewhere out west.

which leads this roster in 2/3 categories behind Alonso by just 1 homer. And it's not like he is hitting .150 and just swinging for the fences. He not only makes loud contact he makes contact. He is hitting .250 and his career .262 BA is higher than Conforto, Alonso, Dom, and the same as Nimmo. He had 2 consecutive years hitting above .280 so it's not like he can't make contact. He just never walks (<5% walk rate) so the spread on his BA and OBP is nonexistent. He is a super toolsy and super aggressive player that doesn't fit the mold of the moneyball type the organization typically targets.

You know who else had a <5% walk rate, was super toolsy, and not the type of player the organization usually targeted? Yoenis Cespedes in 2015.

In comment 15318203 Eric on Li said:

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which leads this roster in 2/3 categories behind Alonso by just 1 homer. And it's not like he is hitting .150 and just swinging for the fences. He not only makes loud contact he makes contact. He is hitting .250 and his career .262 BA is higher than Conforto, Alonso, Dom, and the same as Nimmo. He had 2 consecutive years hitting above .280 so it's not like he can't make contact. He just never walks (<5% walk rate) so the spread on his BA and OBP is nonexistent. He is a super toolsy and super aggressive player that doesn't fit the mold of the moneyball type the organization typically targets. You know who else had a <5% walk rate, was super toolsy, and not the type of player the organization usually targeted? Yoenis Cespedes in 2015.

We've been through this. You're never going to convince me a guy with home runs and RBIs means something. You are great at twisting stats to suit your argument but OPS is OPS. You cant fudge it. You cant outrun it. You cant fake it. The guy leads all of baseball in strikeouts. Like he's number one. He's an all or nothing hitter and not a very good one...

Comparing him to players in the Mets lineup and ranking him when half the lineup was out to injuries for months and the other half is having career worse seasons also doesnt mean anything to me.

And I dont care about tools either. Thats shifting the argument to something else entirely. Yes, he's a good defensive SS. Yes he has speed. I dont give a damn about those things. We already have a gold glove SS and we already have a player playing a damn good second bas in McNeil. It just seems like a poor fit. If Lindor wasn't here it would have made more sense. I just dont love him as a hitter and I would have never given up PCA for what he brings to the table for 2 months.

If PCA is finished because of the surgery, Ill change my tune but I doubt he is. The Cubs wouldnt have traded for him if they thought he was.

I think if he's out for a significant amount of time, along with the deGrom news today, the Mets are in deep trouble.

Prior to joining the Mets Yoenis Cespedes' career OPS was .790. It was .829 in the first half with Detroit and Baez is only 50 points under that right now at .775.

Also in the last 3 full seasons prior to c19 (about 450 games between 2017-2019) Baez cumulative OPS was .850, so it's not like there's any question as to whether or not he's at his ceiling right now.

you can not care about tools all you want but there's a reason the phrase "5 tool player" exists and Baez is one of the true 5 tool players in the sport. In a year where things haven't clicked offensively they are taking a gamble on MVP upside and upgraded the defense in the process. They went bold and bold is what it will take to get through the LAD and win a WS.

same as Fulmer in 2015 and same as it would have been had the Wheeler deal gone through for Gomez. The only thing that makes it a little more palatable is that like Wheeler in '15 he's hurt and there's always a little uncertainty because coming back the same is never guaranteed. Value wise the trade seems to be a reasonable price with a possibility of the player staying here beyond the year if things work out since he has a lot of positional flexibility.

And mostly due to the other top guys in the system having break out years dealing PCA was the lesser evil. We all figured a decent player might cost Vientos or Ginn. With the way they are playing would you prefer either of them was dealt over PCA? I definitely wouldn't have preferred dealing Vientos but I may have dealt Ginn (but that would depend a lot on what the drs say about each of them). And certainly not over Allan, Alvarez, Mauricio, Baty.

I feel like the Mets are in trouble.

And it doesn't have anything to do with the trades yesterday.

This team could ill-afford to lose deGrom another month. And sorry, no, we don't lose a pitcher for two months bc of forearm tightness. There is something going on they haven't been truthful about from the beginning.

To me, deGrom is so critical ti both making the playoffs and having success in them. Losing him is monumental. And raise your hand if you have a lot of faith that he'll be 100% and ready to go in September. Me neither.

This is slowly turning into a lost season before our eyes. The continued absence of Lindor was already huge.

Will be ready for the rigors of October.

And Baez will go on a 2015 Cespedes like tear.

but I think what we are seeing now is a course correction with Thor and JDG. It seems like the plan is to give them maximum rest and then try to push through as well as possible in Sept/Oct. I have a feeling when we get there they will grind out most anything short of surgery.

in the interim the issue is Walker seems to be hitting a wall and probably doesn't have too many innings left. Hopefully he can bridge them to 1 of the other 2 returning and then maybe shift into the pen.

If you break down August it's an interesting mix of opponents:
12 games vs. MIA + WAS (8 home)
10 games vs. LA + SFG (7 on the road)
3 games @ PHI next weekend

Need to win the series vs. PHI.
Need to go a few games over .500 vs. MIA/WAS
Survive the west coast.

They haven't announced probable starters but it looks like the PHI series next weekend lines up with Stroman, Megill, Walker while Philly lines up Gibson, Moore, Wheeler. We've said it a million times but the offense needs to take over this month - and that's where Baez has a chance to make a major impact until Lindor gets back. Even in a not great year he has been the more productive player season to date so just need to hold the line in August and hope JDG gets back for September.

Baez was a HUGE pick up - especially if Nimmo is going to miss more time.
We need to wake up the bats we have - if Conforto doesn't come around McNeil has experience in right and I agree Mike should should be a bench piece for a while - If you need to you bring Almora back to play center - but all we need is a .500 ball club to win the division. Once in the tournament... well since we're all Giants fans.... anything can happen.
As to Banda pitching the 9th - all our top starters pitched the final game against the Braves so fine - give them the night off and let Banda try to get three more outs in a game we're likely losing anyhow.
Starting pitching was and still is the need but we have a nice long BP that can definitely play to .500 ball
As to PCA - one of my favorites - No Doubt. But if you cant pull the trigger on trading a 19 year old kid who's currently out with surgery for Javy Baez - you shouldn't get the opportunity.
Last night it was the same as it has been all year - timely hitting. The first inning was a killer.
But I do absolutely believe we'll win the division - and then let's see what the healthy roster looks like. #LFGM

Lindor can return that 2nd week of August, in time for that first series vs the Dodgers.

The Phillies' series is probably too optimistic.

In terms of starting pitching, the Mets line up now with:

Stroman
Carrasco
Walker
Megill
Hill
Williams

With Peterson, deGrom, and Syndergaard hopefully returning end of August or early September. Peterson may be a long shot for this season.

Drury is swinging it, I wouldn't mind seeinf getting a start at 3rd. Got to get the hot bats in the lineup now.

Just a shame we have so many games against the Dodgers and Giants left.

The Dodgers now have a super team.

if we figure he will need a week or so to rehab i think we are probably looking at 3rd week or last week. they are going to be conservative since it's a soft tissue injury that could linger.

which again is part of why it's kind of crazy that they actually managed to add a GG short stop who is having a better season offensively. For the month of August Baez could really be the difference between staying in first or not.

Last post with the lefty in Miley going tonight. This is how I'd fill out the lineup card tonight:

Pillar CF
Baez SS
Alonso 1B
J.D. Davis 3B
Dom LF
McCann C
McNeil 2B
Drury RF

Load up on the RH bats. McNeil too hot right now to take out of the lineup but I wouldn't be surprised to see Villar at 2B and leading off, either. I'd really like to see Drur with a start tonight.

In comment 15318314 Eric on Li said:

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if we figure he will need a week or so to rehab i think we are probably looking at 3rd week or last week. they are going to be conservative since it's a soft tissue injury that could linger. which again is part of why it's kind of crazy that they actually managed to add a GG short stop who is having a better season offensively. For the month of August Baez could really be the difference between staying in first or not.

I think Limdor gets only 2 games in 'Cuse before coming up.

It is so obvious that he has hit a wall. Let him skip a few starts. In fact, I don’t why that has not already happened.

Bobby V used to do that with Rick Reed and Al Leitrr. They both would come down with “injuries” in July and August.. then they would be miraculously healed when they came off the DL.

in fact I'd hit him leadoff tonight with Nimmo likely out. Not a ton of ABs, but he's got a .400 OBP vs. lefties this year.

McNeil
Baez
Alonso
Dom
JDD
Conforto
McCann
Pillar

Dom, JDD, Conforto, McCann can probably go in any order. Would probably look at whoever has the best track record vs. Miley.

Wouldn't mind seeing Conforto have the night off tonight and be available off the bench against a tough lefty.

He’s been a thousand times worse against lefties. There’s no way in hell that Conforto should be starting tonight. In fact, he could use a good few days off.

In comment 15318305 allstarjim said:

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Lindor can return that 2nd week of August, in time for that first series vs the Dodgers. The Phillies' series is probably too optimistic. In terms of starting pitching, the Mets line up now with: Stroman Carrasco Walker Megill Hill Williams With Peterson, deGrom, and Syndergaard hopefully returning end of August or early September. Peterson may be a long shot for this season.

peterson is most likely done for the year after having foot surgery

In comment 15318357 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 15318305 allstarjim said: Quote: Lindor can return that 2nd week of August, in time for that first series vs the Dodgers. The Phillies' series is probably too optimistic. In terms of starting pitching, the Mets line up now with: Stroman Carrasco Walker Megill Hill Williams With Peterson, deGrom, and Syndergaard hopefully returning end of August or early September. Peterson may be a long shot for this season. peterson is most likely done for the year after having foot surgery

Probably, but they've at least opened up the possibility for a return sometime in September.

Overall numbers are really bad, but something that I don't believe has been mentioned is he has 6 of 13 quality starts. Obviously not fantastic, but out of the 7 "non-quality starts," he did have a 4.2 IP 2 ER allowed start, and a 4 IP 2 ER allowed start. So with 4 more outs he could've added 2 additional quality starts.

Rose-colored glasses? Probably. Still better than Eickoff.

One thing is for certain, if the Mets don't start hitting the way they are capable of, it's not going to matter who the starting pitcher is.

had Nimmo not gotten hurt he'd almost definitely be out of the lineup for Pillar. With Pillar in for Nimmo there's no other active OF. They aren't going to put JDD and Dom in the corners. I doubt they give Villar or McNeil their first games in the OF.

So it's basically Drury or Conforto. Drury is a nice weapon off the bench but he's earned a start so either way is fine. I do think Conforto's defense alone starts him with more value than Drury.

When the AGM was interviewed yesterday, he may have misspoken. He said the MRI on deGrom showed some inflammation in the elbow.

We all assumed it was "forearm tightness" as that was what was being reported.

Elbow issues are more dangerous.

What number Javy is going to wear. I assume he cant have 9

In comment 15318411 Gmanfandan said:

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What number Javy is going to wear. I assume he cant have 9

Nevermind Peterson game him 23