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NFT: The Jack Eichel Follies

ColHowPepper : 7/31/2021 11:12 am
If Rangers signing of Ryan Reaves as UFA warrants a thread, the continuing risk of GM Glen Slats Sather aka Tom Wilson (s/off) signing Jack Eichel of BUF to fill the needed C1/C1A merits its own. If you have not already seen pj post in NHL Free Agency thread last night, and with his permission I'd like to re-post this here.

Please note: Peter Fish--see the signatories of the quoted statement--is not only Eichel's agent, but also the agent for nominal GM Drury. This out of control media battle over a player's medical condition, insistence on a trade, rivals some of the worst we've seen in any sport of player vs his Club.
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The Sabres
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 9:54 pm : link : reply
are a clown show. this sounds beyond repair and now Eichel's value *should* be sinking. You know some team (hopefully not the Habs) will bail them out, this sounds irreparable.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7lrXkKXsAgw1jQ?format=jpg& name=large I can't get the statement to appear in quote screen, but click on the above url. If the Rangers proceed in any fashion to acquire him in the many months long linkage of Eichel to the Rangers, to the ramparts, making an already controversial off-season simply over the top.

The core issue  
JonC : 7/31/2021 2:08 pm : link
must be his neck, and withholding his medical as a result.
RE: The core issue  
ColHowPepper : 7/31/2021 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15318398 JonC said:
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must be his neck, and withholding his medical as a result.
JonC,thanks for saving me from myself...(:

From the read of Eichel's agents' position in the link above, it is a certainty that it is all about his neck and what kind of discectomy is to be performed, when, and what part of next season he might be deemed fit to return.

I couldn't get the image to appear in the OP, or here, but Eichel's agents (Peter Fish also being Drury's) declared open hostilities against BUF FO, accusing them of stalling a way forward and sabotaging Eichel's path forward to getting back on the ice.

It highlights what you and I have been saying for weeks now on various threads: any team proposing to part with pieces of any value better damn well have a first hand look--perhaps more, even a say--at his records and best surgical outcome.

Right now, it's toxic.
Besides the Rangers and Habs…  
5BowlsSoon : 7/31/2021 6:25 pm : link
Who else is interested in trading for Eichel?
Brooksie: Kappo Kakko key to Rangers winning Eichel sweepstakes  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 9:18 am : link
https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack-eichel-sweepstakes/?utm_source=NYPSportsTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter
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As the Jack Eichel Saga descends into scorched earth territory, with the center’s agents releasing a statement calling out the Buffalo organization while general manager Kevyn Adams attempts to pretend leverage is on his side, it occurs that the Sabres could come out of this whole if they are willing to retain 50 percent of the center’s cap hit in a trade.

Because if Eichel is only going to count at $5 million against the cap the remaining five years of his contract, then the Rangers would be in position to extend Mika Zibanejad in the $9 million range and present a powerhouse one-two punch down the middle for the foreseeable future.

But here is the rub to this gobsmacking nightmare, Brooks hinting that Drury might just gut the kids to acquire a neck-injured, compromised Eichel:
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And if general manager Chris Drury is confident he will be able to reach such an agreement with Zibanejad, that’s when he and the Rangers would have license to include Kaapo Kakko as the blue-chip centerpiece of an offer for Eichel, which might include either Filip Chytil or Vitaly Kravtsov, as well as Zac Jones or Matt Robertson or a first-rounder.
KK, Chytil or Kravstsov, a d-man (I wouldn't mind parting with Jones) and a first. Sheesh, that means of the projected top 6 forwards at this point, Drury would be giving up two, KK and Kravvy, worst case.

Would you make this deal?
Without seeing  
pjcas18 : 8/1/2021 9:24 am : link
medicals any trade speculation is blind.

A healthy Eichel I'd tade Kakko, Chytil, Jones and a 1st.

None of those players will be as good as Eichel and other than Kakko none project to be even special in any way.

but is or will Eichel be healthy?

BUF retaining half his salary changes a lot for me, basically Eichel getting Danault money (less actually if BUF retains half)
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ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 10:14 am : link
And your comment pj goes to the OP and as Brooks colorfully terms it a scorched earth strategy over the approach to repair Eichel's neck.

Given the potential stakes and what would be given up, and I repeat myself, I don't see how a deal gets done without the acquiring team, whichever it is, demanding not only medical records but its own look at Eichel, with updated MRIs if acquiring team docs advise.

The apparent gap between Adams and Eichel's agents in their approach to medical repair should make suitors very, very wary. What guarantee is there that following surgical repair that Eichel is anything close to the same player, anything a hard hit against the boards from re-injuring the vertebrae or one next to it, anything close to playing competitive hockey again? None, except the opinions of docs who may be very invested in the outcome.
No  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2021 10:46 am : link
The Sabres have no leverage. No way I deal Kakko, particularly since the whole reason they dumped Buchnevich for peanuts was to create time for Kakko and Laf.
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Jay on the Island : 8/1/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15318807 Greg from LI said:
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The Sabres have no leverage. No way I deal Kakko, particularly since the whole reason they dumped Buchnevich for peanuts was to create time for Kakko and Laf.

I'm a Devils fan but If I were the Rangers I wouldn't offer Kakko either. I would offer Kravtsov, Chytil, 1st and 2nd round picks, and a lesser prospect than Jones. That's only if Eichel were cleared by team doctors.
Kakko  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 11:19 am : link
would be a hard pill to swallow. A number of commentators have opined that once Rangers snared #1 overall and got Laf, that somehow that rendered Buch, Kakko and/or others redundant. Team got lucky?, ok we'll be spendthrift and just send talent packing for peanuts.

Initial premise of any deal hinges on Eichel health, obviously, but it's hard to look at this and posit that health is black and white in a case like this. Shades of gray? The more doubt, the greater the post-op limitation risk, the package has to reduce commensurately.

Jay, I don't mind parting with Jones that much, whoever a deal is for, I think Nils, Schneider, and Robertson have more value.

The Sabres are a clownshow.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/1/2021 11:30 am : link
Stuff like this is why I never begrudge a player for demanding a trade. You have a limited amount of time to maximize your career.
for those not keeping score, Kakko  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 11:30 am : link
was rated the 2nd best defensive forward...in the entire NHL, by an analytics team run by a Czech outfit in a summary I posted in pj's post-season thread a week or two ago...it's there somewhere...
RE: Besides the Rangers and Habs…  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 11:31 am : link
In comment 15318491 5BowlsSoon said:
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Who else is interested in trading for Eichel?
5Bowls, per Brooksie story, Vegas Knights said to be also
RE: The Sabres are a clownshow.  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15318832 BrettNYG10 said:
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Stuff like this is why I never begrudge a player for demanding a trade. You have a limited amount of time to maximize your career.
Fair, and the Sabres' org seems coming apart at the seams this off-season (WHY Reinhart, and why wasn't Drury all in on him??). But sometimes it can be a hard line to draw. Is Eichel in the mold of a Terrell Owens? Probably not, though there have been rumblings about whether he's a team first guy. It's not exactly to your point, Brett, but what does an Eichel do to the locker room coming in as the new Prince annointed?
And what role is Gallant playing in this drama?  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 11:40 am : link
Does he have veto power?

If I'm not mistaken, two or more of NYR off-season adds, the lesser ones after Goodrow, and incl. Reaves, are from Western Conference, where presumably Gallant's familiarity with these players is greater, e.g., Blais.
From the 4th period  
pjcas18 : 8/1/2021 1:14 pm : link
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...The New York Rangers are absolutely interested in Eichel, confirmed multiple sources, none of whom believe (as of Saturday night) a trade is imminent. The Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, Calgary Flames, Boston Bruins and Columbus Blue Jackets are also interested. Will the Minnesota Wild circle back? Will other teams reengage, especially if the Sabres are willing to retain some salary? It sounds like it....

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RE: From the 4th period  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15318934 pjcas18 said:
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...The New York Rangers are absolutely interested in Eichel, confirmed multiple sources, none of whom believe (as of Saturday night) a trade is imminent. The Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, Calgary Flames, Boston Bruins and Columbus Blue Jackets are also interested. Will the Minnesota Wild circle back? Will other teams reengage, especially if the Sabres are willing to retain some salary? It sounds like it...
Heh, what team stands out like a sore thumb in that group? Cassidy and Sweeney saying, yeah! Bid it up, higher, let Drury be hoisted on his own petard.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/1/2021 2:15 pm : link
CHP, as usual you raise an excellent point. The locker room dynamics with Eichel with Zibanejad's status in the air might be tough. The Rangers need to resolve the Zibanejad issue ASAP if they acquire Eichel. This team isn't ready to make a run, so just letting Zibanejad walk next off-season isn't an option to me (although Z can force this issue with his NMC).

Add in rumblings Eichel might be a bit of an ass, and it makes for an awkward situation.

I feel bad for Zibanejad. He has earned a massive, massive deal. I just don't think the Rangers can be the ones to pay it.
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pjcas18 : 8/1/2021 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15318974 ColHowPepper said:
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...The New York Rangers are absolutely interested in Eichel, confirmed multiple sources, none of whom believe (as of Saturday night) a trade is imminent. The Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, Calgary Flames, Boston Bruins and Columbus Blue Jackets are also interested. Will the Minnesota Wild circle back? Will other teams reengage, especially if the Sabres are willing to retain some salary? It sounds like it...

Heh, what team stands out like a sore thumb in that group? Cassidy and Sweeney saying, yeah! Bid it up, higher, let Drury be hoisted on his own petard.


Not sure, I think Krejci "retiring" caught Boston by surprise.

They need a 2C.

And Bergeron is old himself, I can see Boston seriously involved in Eichel.

I just don't think they have the right young players to put the right offer together.

With Eichel (healthy) BOS is probably cup favorites (depending on their net situation).
Brett, I think what you're saying,  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 3:48 pm : link
when it comes right down to it, by giving Kreids that major extension, it screwed the pooch when it comes time to Zib. Kind of an ironic, serendipitous kick in the nuts, seeing the curtain come down on all the wins this year at MSG with Zib and Kreider ushering the rest of the team into the tunnel and giving each other bear hugs and big smiles before they, too, exited looked legit to me.
pj and the Brunz  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 3:53 pm : link
I am virtually certain everyone on these threads will not remember the iconic newsreels of the '50s and early '60s, when some channel or other giving News of the Day, with a black and white earth spinning in the dark of space (like some of the early Columbia (or other Hollywood Studio) intros before the film is named): "Spanning the Globe to bring YOU the latest News of the Day", with the announcer being emphatic with SPANning the GLOBE.

That's what it's like with you and the NHL, lol.

All of which is to say, in my way, fair point on BOS
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