As I do 20 or so times a year, I went to the Rochester Red Wings baseball game tonight. We’re the AAA team for the Nats. Bottom of the first, the third baseman for the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs has a seizure/stroke and falls to the ground. Silence at the stadium. An ambulance came out but they didn’t move him for 20 minutes or so. It was the first game of a double header. Needless to say, everything was cancelled.
A very surreal night at Frontier Field. This is a 23 year old professional athlete in prime condition and he has a stroke. It was hard to see.
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What color is the sky in your world?
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Fuck your mother.
+1, and even the “science” people don’t 100% agree with each other anymore.
Welcome to the re-birth of Lysenkoism. Unfortunately, it's happening now on a much more global scale.
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
Needless to describe the gory details and sounds, both bones snapped. Yuk.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
What did I state that was incorrect?
I would think the answer to that should be obvious.
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What did I state that was incorrect?
Your rhetorical questions are fatuous.
Look up anecdotal evidence and compare it with peer reviewed, controlled double blind experiments and tell me which is more convincing.
Needless to say, but I am sorry for the issues with your family.
My mother had a stroke 1 week after getting the “vaccine”. She was told “ this has nothing to do with the vaccine”
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
***Why would the doctors lie? They have no stake in the issue. Is it possible the vax had something to do with their illness - I would be lying if I said no. Any vaccine can cause health issues - none are totally free of issues.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
***Works both ways, depending on your POV
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
***Why have hundreds of thousands(probably millions) of doctors and nurses taken the vax..
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
***It is a vaccine, just because it has not been fully approved does not make in experimental - it is far past experimental. mRNA science has been around about 2 decades. I just heard the only reason the FDA has not approved fully is they are waiting on the results of how long past the "expiration date" listed on the vial that the vaccine actually begins to breakdown. There are 100s of millions of people that taken it. There is far more data collected then is necessary for approval or rejection. Remember the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was not approved, as were others.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
***I am for the right of people to choose not to take it. I am not for forcing people to take it(mandates). However, I am also not for the right of people to call a safe and effective medicine "experimental" just because they distrust it. Something in the neighborhood of 96/98% of all hospitalizations now are from those not vaccinated - so obviously it does work.
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
The tables are so badly stacked against the pharma's in courts, they would not have developed and produced it without immunities. Ugly but honest answer.
FYI, if you do not like the mRNA vaccines, the J&J vaccine was developed using the old fashioned method. It is just not as effective and even less so against the "Delta" variant. But it still mitigates the symptoms, just not as well.
Wake up
- to each his own
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
You can add my father in law to that list. Got the vax in February and ended up in the hospital with an intestinal issue three days later.
It’s not strange at all- literally nobody in my world is having these problems and a vast majority of the people I know are vaccinated. In fact the only medical problems I’ve seen are from people who were infected with COVID.
So, please, explain- and quantify- these “strange things you’re seeing.
You also need to be humble enough to understand that sometimes, shit happens. People develop seizure disorders all the time- this isn’t a new phenomenon and most of the time, they can’t find a cause. The only difference now is that you have a boogeyman to blame it on.
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
I agree that it is a personal issue, probably derived from untruths and misconceptions, although many have medical issues and cannot partake. If you want to sit on the sideline and wait a while fine. But you cannot randomly blame the vaccines for all medical issues that happen after having the vaccine.
I understand apprehensions on rapidly developed medicines. I also know that most of the technology used was not new. I also know that computer generated calculations help speed up development.
If you do not like the mRNA vaccines, the J&J is a traditionally developed one - what is the excuse there?
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
Of course anyone can be affected by a vaccine. On the other hand just because someone has an issue doesn’t mean it has anything to do with a vaccine.
If you have kids, do you get them vaccinated for school?
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
You need to answer one question before you start blaming the vaccine: How often do "perfectly healthy people" randomly develop these problems? The answer is not zero.
The next question is how many "perfectly healthy people" randomly develop these problems after getting vaccinated?
If the answers to both questions are the same or very close to the same, you need to stop yapping about how bad the vaccine is.
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
The reality with the rise in anti-vax is that Andrew Wakefield is a crook and his fraudulent article in the Lancet that gave birth to so much disinformation and lies has done irreparable damage to our society.
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over the last 10 years or so. Many of the anti-vax people have family members that have been adversely affected by vaccines. They want the medical community and the big pharma companies to acknowledge the injuries and use that data to make modifications to vaccines to make them safer (eg. Changing preservatives, decoupling combo vaccines into individual shots, etc.). Most of these people don’t want to be anti-vax.
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
The reality with the rise in anti-vax is that Andrew Wakefield is a crook and his fraudulent article in the Lancet that gave birth to so much disinformation and lies has done irreparable damage to our society.
It’s not mainly because of Wakefield. That’s a name that gets thrown out there all the time because it’s easy to point at and something the media likes to harp on.
Vaccine injuries are real and the real data often gets squashed. Is it a high % of those that are injured, no, but it’s real and unfortunately those people go unrecognized nearly 100% of the time.
If you really want to go back to where this started you can look at the legislation in the 80’s that prevents anyone from suing big pharma for any injuries related to vaccines. Once it starts to hit their pocket book big pharma pays attention. But to research the cause of injuries for the less than 5% that suffer adverse reactions, too costly for big pharma and there are no repercussions now so why bother is their “unofficial” stance.
If you recall there were all kinds of lawsuits against big pharma in the early 80’s over a few different vaccines. Mike Wallace dedicated an entire 60 minutes to the story. Shortly after that the legislation passed.
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
The rise in anti-vax is more than likely social media and lies propagated on it. Jenny McCarthy and her ilk out there just lying and ignorant and people believing what these ignorant malcontents are saying.
That there have been adverse reactions to vaccines is a truth that has been accepted and is listed on the contra-indication section on the vaccine data sheets. Thinking that MDs and RNs are covering up instead of reporting findings so that issues can be explored by FDA and the Pharmas is an untruth being circulated by SM.
Think about this for more than 2 seconds - why would people whose whole existence is for assisting and aiding sick people(MDs, PAs and RNs) lie? Why would they not report their findings so that improvements could be made?
Do I trust big Pharma - not fully and not without reservations because $$ is involved.
Do I trust the millions of DRs, PAs and RNs telling us that these medicines are safe and effective - yes. There are some that are bad apples(opioids!), absolutely, but their numbers are miniscule.
The best way to cause mutations in a virus is to relax protections in a population that is only 50 percent vaccinated. Yay us, we did it.
All you Karen's stuck in a self fulfilling and self perpetuating feedback loop of Facebook news and conspiracy theories can kindly do us all a favor and die at home alone of the coronavirus and please do it quickly.
Thank you.
The best way to cause mutations in a virus is to relax protections in a population that is only 50 percent vaccinated. Yay us, we did it.
All you Karen's stuck in a self fulfilling and self perpetuating feedback loop of Facebook news and conspiracy theories can kindly do us all a favor and die at home alone of the coronavirus and please do it quickly.
Thank you.
Until you or one of your family members is injured by a vaccine, then your perspective changes a little bit in terms of medical choice. Been there, done that.
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Has now become one sided and anyone who disagrees with the science is silenced and canceled.
Your post should say “the politically correct science” rather than “science”. In an evolving situation, known science is changing as more facts come in and people need to objectively review the facts without preconceived agenda.
Science changes all the time when deemed appropriate by scientists. Not people reading non-credible propaganda online.
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Something from the vaccine but for fucks sake you take that risk because it's for the good of everybody that we end this pandemic.
The best way to cause mutations in a virus is to relax protections in a population that is only 50 percent vaccinated. Yay us, we did it.
All you Karen's stuck in a self fulfilling and self perpetuating feedback loop of Facebook news and conspiracy theories can kindly do us all a favor and die at home alone of the coronavirus and please do it quickly.
Thank you.
Until you or one of your family members is injured by a vaccine, then your perspective changes a little bit in terms of medical choice. Been there, done that.
Does it also change when a family member is hospitalized or dies because they did not take a vaccine because they were influenced by a vocal group that reported half truths and lies. This is by far the bigger of the two issues.
And I had not said it earlier, but I hope your father is fully recovered.
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
Because people use one or two people getting sick directly after taking a vaccine as proof vaccines don't work. There's no evidence it's linked to the vaccine and even if it is it doesn't override the overwhelming evidence of hundreds of millions that are fine. People use these anecdotes to "debunk" actual science.
Natural selection at its best
oh the big bad govt is censoring and taking my freedoms away! not 1 f'ing goddamn thing has changed. we all like the same lives except now we have to put masks on. THE HORROR!
613k people in the United States died, 328m people live in the United States. That's about 0.2% of people in the Unites States that died if EVERYONE was infected. That's ten time the amount of people you said die from Covid if EVERYONE was infected. It's shameless misinformation like this why we still have so many people dying today.
Yea, one of those .02 percent was a 38 year old mother that I grew up with before the vaccine was available. It is because of pieces of shit like you who would t even wear a piece of fabric over your ugly ass face.
You are one of those cunts I talk about
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.02% of the people who contract it tough guy. If your vaccine works , good luck.
Yea, one of those .02 percent was a 38 year old mother that I grew up with before the vaccine was available. It is because of pieces of shit like you who would t even wear a piece of fabric over your ugly ass face.
You are one of those cunts I talk about
Except it's demonstrably not .02%. It's .2% of the entire population in the US.
Their is not an active viral vector trying to rewrite code.
So no. I think, from a scientists perspective, someone that has worked in molecular biology for over 20 years, Theirs is no possible way this can be characterized as gene therapy.
So I read your comment and think, this guy thinks he knows what he’s talking about. You don’t when you use words like gene therapy.
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.02% of the people who contract it tough guy. If your vaccine works , good luck.
Yea, one of those .02 percent was a 38 year old mother that I grew up with before the vaccine was available. It is because of pieces of shit like you who would t even wear a piece of fabric over your ugly ass face.
You are one of those cunts I talk about
Except it's demonstrably not .02%. It's .2% of the entire population in the US.
I meant to put quotes around his number to reflect that this morons number was wrong. Thanks for clarifying.
The science is sound, some people will have adverse reactions. To say any health issue is the fault of this vaccine, is blindly looking for something to blame and speaks to a lack of trust in communities that are built on evidence and truth. The scientists are lying, the medical professionals are lying, the politicians are telling the truth ya? In Both those professions, if you have no proof, your not worth a salt.
Come on.
Calling BS on that.
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Died within 2 weeks all young. Sorry for your lose
Calling BS on that.
But what are the demonstrable concerns with the mRNA approach? What are the fact based issues with this approach.
More importantly what is the evidence that will assuage this concern. What are the simple, factual, next steps that will address those concerns.
If there is a concern, it’s reasonable to be able to articulate what that concern is and what would be evidence to ease that concern.
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Calling BS on that.
Yeah, I'm with you. That is complete BS and would be national headlines if true
I wonder what motivates people to post such bullshit lies on the internet..
You are uninformed. This is not gene therapy. This is the exact shit that confuses people.
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I wonder what motivates people to post such bullshit lies on the internet..
the internet was such a great thing until it became overrun by the likes of these kinds of people. I wish "big tech" was censoring themtbe way they claim
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I wonder what motivates people to post such bullshit lies on the internet..
the internet was such a great thing until it became overrun by the likes of these kinds of people. I wish "big tech" was censoring themtbe way they claim
There are plenty of idiots on every side in the internet. Paranoid fucks aren't the only problem. I'll leave it at that because I don't want to get banned for politics.
I had a dentist tell me it changes your DNA - I just looked at him in horror and disbelief. My next door neighbor is a MD, my sister is an operating room RN. They jumped on the Moderna the minute it was available. My daughter is a biologist...The minute I cleared the age hurdle I was in..
No wonder the vaccines have stalled...Look, everyone has a right(or should have) to take it or not take it. But do not spread lies about it. If you choose to not take it, don't blame those that did for saying "eff you" to masks or for rebelling against more restrictions based on faulty studies that were rejected in peer review.
If it wasn't for the societal impacts I would encourage them to not get any vaccination or use modern medicine and let their theories play out.
The fact that this became about vaccines when it was about a player who had a seizure and stroke on the field shows the faulty connections taking place in their brains. I wish there was a shot that could fix stupid.
If it wasn't for the societal impacts I would encourage them to not get any vaccination or use modern medicine and let their theories play out.
The fact that this became about vaccines when it was about a player who had a seizure and stroke on the field shows the faulty connections taking place in their brains. I wish there was a shot that could fix stupid.
I think being anti-vax becomes part of people's identities and when that becomes the case they go on fishing expeditions to confirm their beliefs and others oblige.
There has been a uptick in vaccinations the last couple weeks which is also good news.
One doctor made a great point being that a bigger problem may be the rest of the world having very poor vaccination rates. His worry was potentially a variant that bypassed the vaccine. Good thing our country seems to doing everything it can to limit those entering our country.....but by all means initiate severe restrictions and masks.
There has been a uptick in vaccinations the last couple weeks which is also good news.
One doctor made a great point being that a bigger problem may be the rest of the world having very poor vaccination rates. His worry was potentially a variant that bypassed the vaccine. Good thing our country seems to doing everything it can to limit those entering our country.....but by all means initiate severe restrictions and masks.
The biggest problem seems to be among these middle age idiots that seem to think they are in good health or somethign. I just don't understand what risks you think from the vacccine is going to be worse than COVID.
There was this one guy that's on AM radio that was spreading misinformation about the vaccine. 61 years old and said he had 1% chance of dying on twitter (which is pretty damn high anyway). Yeh, I don't think he understands that for 61 year olds that number is 1%. He's on his deathbed right now. We have a total misunderstanding in this country on how statistics works.
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I wonder what motivates people to post such bullshit lies on the internet..
I have asked many people about the vaccine and the two biggest obstacles I have heard are "I just want to wait a bit longer as I am young" or "I had Covid and do not feel I need it".
Get the fax. Get the vax. - ( New Window )
I have asked many people about the vaccine and the two biggest obstacles I have heard are "I just want to wait a bit longer as I am young" or "I had Covid and do not feel I need it".
If you had it, in many to most cases, it is as good as the vaccine and may be better...all the vaccine does is trick the body into reacting to the virus and make anti-bodies. It is a major argument(and I believe justifiably) that those previously sick make against taking the vaccine.
Bottom line is this is a free country. If you want to get the vaccine go get it. If you have legit medical issues or concerns then don’t get it. If you don’t like the ability to make medical decisions and you like mandates and the government telling everyone what to inject in their body there are several regimes that would love to have you as a citizen.
Bottom line is this is a free country. If you want to get the vaccine go get it. If you have legit medical issues or concerns then don’t get it. If you don’t like the ability to make medical decisions and you like mandates and the government telling everyone what to inject in their body there are several regimes that would love to have you as a citizen.
By all means, don’t get the vaccine. I don’t want you to be forced to get it. But you better be wearing masks and practicing social distancing. And if you are unable to attend games or concerts or the movies or do whatever you want, I sure hope you won’t like about being vaccinated.
Bottom line is this is a free country. If you want to get the vaccine go get it. If you have legit medical issues or concerns then don’t get it. If you don’t like the ability to make medical decisions and you like mandates and the government telling everyone what to inject in their body there are several regimes that would love to have you as a citizen.
oh for fucks sake that last line. so dramatic and they call us the snowflakes lmfao
Bottom line is this is a free country. If you want to get the vaccine go get it. If you have legit medical issues or concerns then don’t get it. If you don’t like the ability to make medical decisions and you like mandates and the government telling everyone what to inject in their body there are several regimes that would love to have you as a citizen.
This is a free country, I'm very pro-vax but I don't think people should be forced to take a vaccine no matter how ignorant and inconsiderate. But it's a two way street. There's freedom of speech and you have to live with being called out on social media and a football message board.
Get ahold of Charles Xavier. He can help
Bottom line is this is a free country. If you want to get the vaccine go get it. If you have legit medical issues or concerns then don’t get it. If you don’t like the ability to make medical decisions and you like mandates and the government telling everyone what to inject in their body there are several regimes that would love to have you as a citizen.
So would it be fair to say that if you chose not to get a Vaccine or wear a protective mask that you also refuse any treatment if you caught COVID?
You might be taking a bed that could go to someone who has followed protocol but still catches the new variant of COVID correct?
The one I found hilarious was the quack who claimed that "Spirit Sperm" could heal you and was actually propped up by certain sections of the media
LMAO...This made my Sunday.
Thanks for sharing this. I’ve heard similar stories from other people and agree with your last sentence. This is why the hostility toward those who choose not to get the vax makes little sense to me. Especially the threatening death wishing nonsense.
Sorry to hear that about your sister. I hope she bounces back to herself. Your point about the 5 billion people is very valid. Good thing we are being very careful about who we let into the country!
Montana....Thankfully our country will treat everyone that needs it regardless of how they ended up in the hospital. Just like our law enforcement will answer distress calls from people who want them abolished or threw rocks at them this summer.
[quote] This is a free country. But I am at point...you want to go to bar, restaurant, indoor concert, etc...prove you are vaccinated. Don't ruin it for those of is who did it right from March 2020...wore masks, skipped indoor gatherings, & got vaccinated when it was our time. [/quot
Fuck you, stay home you sniveling cunt
[quote] This is a free country. But I am at point...you want to go to bar, restaurant, indoor concert, etc...prove you are vaccinated. Don't ruin it for those of is who did it right from March 2020...wore masks, skipped indoor gatherings, & got vaccinated when it was our time. [/quot
Fuck you, stay home you sniveling cunt
Talk about triggered.
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Problem is both sides are not being honest my 25 year old sister in law had a stroke just 8 hours after getting the vaccine and after 2 months she is finally getting back to normal. I saw this but still got the vaccine because as a diabetic doing the math I felt it was still worth the risk. Then my brother who lives in FL has now had COVID twice and it didn't slow him down at all he even said the delta variant was like a annoying summer cold. I also keep hearing the vax crowd saying the we need it to slow down mutations but looking at the globe there looks like about 5+ billion. People will not have access to a vaccine how does it not mutate regardless?
Sorry to hear that about your sister. I hope she bounces back to herself. Your point about the 5 billion people is very valid. Good thing we are being very careful about who we let into the country!
Montana....Thankfully our country will treat everyone that needs it regardless of how they ended up in the hospital. Just like our law enforcement will answer distress calls from people who want them abolished or threw rocks at them this summer.
I think a lot of people overall tend to forget that a small percentage of a large number is still going to be a large number (if every American was vaccinated with a 1% adverse reaction rate that's 3 million people) and also that one, two, or even a hundred exceptional examples doesn't invalidate hundreds of thousands to millions.
As far as mutations, i believe the fear is a variant that's interacted with vaccinated people mutating to becoming resistant to them. A vaccine resistant mutation is more likely to come from a population with mixed status compared to an area of the world where there isn't access to the jab.
I have asked many people about the vaccine and the two biggest obstacles I have heard are "I just want to wait a bit longer as I am young" or "I had Covid and do not feel I need it".
I'm not sure it has to do that much with social media platforms. We have a health delusion in this country because it's really the only universal third rail to talk about. Talking about diet and nutrition seems to be considered uncouth. Countless examples of that. This is like the last issue that I can think of that actually unites the left and right for different reasons.
I mean where was the messaging for living healthier during this pandemic? That should have been front and center, right next to masks, and social distancing. Instead, it was all COVID 15 and drinking jokes (which spiked during the pandemic).
Said poster going absolutely bananas and getting himself banned is a once a decade occurrence. He’s been getting all itchy lately, he’ll explode in a week or two.
I laugh (and cry) when I see articles about anti-vaxxers who lose family members to covid and then try to warn covid deniers of the danger of covid and their regret at not having gotten vaccinated. They heard the stories a hundred times already and it didn't change their opinion but now they think others just like them will listen. They won't. Not til they experience the horror of watching a love one suffer and possibly die on a ventilator.
And to those who say "survival of the fittest", would you refuse treatment for covid if infected and gasping for air? How about curable cancers? Dental infection? Appendicitis? Just a stupid and hypocritical argument.
Not a coincidence that vaccination rates directly correlate with education level.
I laugh (and cry) when I see articles about anti-vaxxers who lose family members to covid and then try to warn covid deniers of the danger of covid and their regret at not having gotten vaccinated. They heard the stories a hundred times already and it didn't change their opinion but now they think others just like them will listen. They won't. Not til they experience the horror of watching a love one suffer and possibly die on a ventilator.
And to those who say "survival of the fittest", would you refuse treatment for covid if infected and gasping for air? How about curable cancers? Dental infection? Appendicitis? Just a stupid and hypocritical argument.
Not a coincidence that vaccination rates directly correlate with education level.
And yet your anger seems to be directed at the individuals here. There are systemic issues that run much deeper than this. Public education in many states has become a complete afterthought, and these are the results. Of course, the power institutions in these places design it this way, but it's sad nonetheless. I currently live in one of these states, and it's sad how dumb the average person here is that went to public school. It isn't even really socieconomic either, the transplants, even the ones that grew up in poor neighborhoods, seem to be able to critically think better.
We've been waiting for you - ( New Window )
I laugh (and cry) when I see articles about anti-vaxxers who lose family members to covid and then try to warn covid deniers of the danger of covid and their regret at not having gotten vaccinated. They heard the stories a hundred times already and it didn't change their opinion but now they think others just like them will listen. They won't. Not til they experience the horror of watching a love one suffer and possibly die on a ventilator.
And to those who say "survival of the fittest", would you refuse treatment for covid if infected and gasping for air? How about curable cancers? Dental infection? Appendicitis? Just a stupid and hypocritical argument.
Not a coincidence that vaccination rates directly correlate with education level.
The notion that people who aren’t pro-vax (I’m not going to say anti-vax because not all who choose not to vaccinate are anti-vax) are a bunch of hillbilly’s playing banjos in the Appalachia’s is silly. There are highly educated people and wealthy people for that matter that choose not to vaccinate their children in particular.
I read a case study a few years ago that I found very interesting. If I can find it again I will share the link. It focused on the Amish community and how you don’t see all of these allergies (eg. Nuts, dairy, soy, gluten, etc.) among their community and you also don’t see the rise of autism as you see in mainstream society. The article pointed out a couple of interesting things. 1.) the Amish eat natural farm fresh foods. No artificial colors, preservatives, GMO’s, antibiotics in the meat.. 2.) No Round-Up used on their agriculture. 3.) Nearly all Amish are not vaccinated.
The end of the case study essentially concluded that something is contributing to the rise in allergies and autism in mainstream society that is not present in Amish culture. Is it certain vaccines? Is it the artificial crap used in our food? Is it the use of toxins to kill weeds and boost agricultural output?
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The end of the case study essentially concluded that something is contributing to the rise in allergies and autism in mainstream society that is not present in Amish culture. Is it certain vaccines? Is it the artificial crap used in our food? Is it the use of toxins to kill weeds and boost agricultural output?
Or it's the fact that the Amish probably don't wait to have kids like modern-day Americans do (which is an actual PROVEN risk factor) but keep fucking that chicken. Environmental factors are certainly affecting hormonal issues in our children, but not autism. It's two fold - better diagnosis and age-related decline in sperm and eggs. This is all proven.
I didn’t say that actually, it was a question raised in the article. I personally lean toward the crap in our food used to extend shelf life and save money. Not the only reason for the rise in autism, but I’m sure it’s not helping.
I’m not saying I agree with that notion necessarily, but a catalyst vs. causing autism are two completely different things.
I’m not saying I agree with that notion necessarily, but a catalyst vs. causing autism are two completely different things.
Kind of like how weed can be the catalyst for schizophrenia? Yeah, not buying that at all. It isn't like they are using psychoactive compounds in vaccines anymore. It's purely correlational because autism really isn't noticeable until a certain age.
The end of the case study essentially concluded that something is contributing to the rise in allergies and autism in mainstream society that is not present in Amish culture. Is it certain vaccines? Is it the artificial crap used in our food? Is it the use of toxins to kill weeds and boost agricultural output?
Yes it is called heredity.
I’m not saying I agree with that notion necessarily, but a catalyst vs. causing autism are two completely different things.
I think the vaccine/autism thing was dispelled a long while back. Another Jenny McCarthy rant disproven.
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The end of the case study essentially concluded that something is contributing to the rise in allergies and autism in mainstream society that is not present in Amish culture. Is it certain vaccines? Is it the artificial crap used in our food? Is it the use of toxins to kill weeds and boost agricultural output?
Yes it is called heredity.
It's age, but the heredity factor is a glaring issue at using certain groups for make overarching conclusions.
You're trash.
I believe this is more than just a public education issue; its being fostered for political gain.
The vast majority of politicians are not stupid. They know that Covid is real and that the vaccine's risk/benefit falls greatly on side of benefit. They know that the control of covid and the return to normal life with a recovering economy would be of great benefit to the party in power. Letting Covid get out of control with the subsequent need for new restrictions and potential shut downs would be a powerful political weapon. The success or failure of covid control and return to normal life will likely determine the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections.
I believe this is more than just a public education issue; its being fostered for political gain.
The vast majority of politicians are not stupid. They know that Covid is real and that the vaccine's risk/benefit falls greatly on side of benefit. They know that the control of covid and the return to normal life with a recovering economy would be of great benefit to the party in power. Letting Covid get out of control with the subsequent need for new restrictions and potential shut downs would be a powerful political weapon. The success or failure of covid control and return to normal life will likely determine the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections.
Yes it is an education issue. Because if people were better educated (and I'm not talking about college, if you can't critically think by then, you never are going to) theyd be able to see through the crap that is fosterd upon them.
I believe this is more than just a public education issue; its being fostered for political gain.
The vast majority of politicians are not stupid. They know that Covid is real and that the vaccine's risk/benefit falls greatly on side of benefit. They know that the control of covid and the return to normal life with a recovering economy would be of great benefit to the party in power. Letting Covid get out of control with the subsequent need for new restrictions and potential shut downs would be a powerful political weapon. The success or failure of covid control and return to normal life will likely determine the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections.
90% of Americans over 65 have been vaccinated. Seems like they are educated fine and recognize the risks based on the science. I gather it’s the same or close with people who have conditions that Covid attacks who are younger.
Out of curiosity what is being educated to you and what standard of achievement in education does one need to make the decision on the vaccine?
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is not my opinion; its a fact, no matter whether a small minority of educated people choose to refuse the vaccine
I believe this is more than just a public education issue; its being fostered for political gain.
The vast majority of politicians are not stupid. They know that Covid is real and that the vaccine's risk/benefit falls greatly on side of benefit. They know that the control of covid and the return to normal life with a recovering economy would be of great benefit to the party in power. Letting Covid get out of control with the subsequent need for new restrictions and potential shut downs would be a powerful political weapon. The success or failure of covid control and return to normal life will likely determine the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections.
Yes it is an education issue. Because if people were better educated (and I'm not talking about college, if you can't critically think by then, you never are going to) theyd be able to see through the crap that is fosterd upon them.
We essentially agree. My only additional point is that anti-intellectualism is being encouraged and nurtured for political gain.
Yes it is an education issue. Because if people were better educated (and I'm not talking about college, if you can't critically think by then, you never are going to) theyd be able to see through the crap that is fosterd upon them.
We essentially agree. My only additional point is that anti-intellectualism is being encouraged and nurtured for political gain.
What's new in the last few years is both sides are guilty of it now, when that used to be the domain of a very specific set of politicians. Anti-intellectualism is running rampant everywhere.
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is not my opinion; its a fact, no matter whether a small minority of educated people choose to refuse the vaccine
I believe this is more than just a public education issue; its being fostered for political gain.
The vast majority of politicians are not stupid. They know that Covid is real and that the vaccine's risk/benefit falls greatly on side of benefit. They know that the control of covid and the return to normal life with a recovering economy would be of great benefit to the party in power. Letting Covid get out of control with the subsequent need for new restrictions and potential shut downs would be a powerful political weapon. The success or failure of covid control and return to normal life will likely determine the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections.
90% of Americans over 65 have been vaccinated. Seems like they are educated fine and recognize the risks based on the science. I gather it’s the same or close with people who have conditions that Covid attacks who are younger.
Out of curiosity what is being educated to you and what standard of achievement in education does one need to make the decision on the vaccine?
Senior citizens as a group that's had a long time to think about their mortality and have had urging of Drs to get flu vaccines since they've hit that spot. Even the subset of people that are anti COVID vaccine now, I'd imagine would find themselves pro-flu vaccine when they are older (which is much less lethal than COVID even adjusted for age).
In terms of the COVID vaccine in particular I disagree with this argument. Yes, you have your farmers in rural Nebraska that won’t get the vaccine. But there are a lot of people living in and just outside of major metropolitan areas that have concerns over this vaccine in particular.
One of the things about this vaccine that really bothers me is that it became this “arms race” between rival big pharma companies to develop the best one that would get the most government dollars. What would have been ethical and perhaps made people less skeptical about getting the vaccine is if these greedy bastards would have said this is a public emergency, let’s get our top scientists together from all of these companies to create the best vaccine possible, have coordinated testing, and split the profits in the end.
When I see these speculations from investors on which company will come up with the best booster post initial inoculation, etc. it’s kind of disturbing.
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It's not that people weren't taught in school so they don't have the information. Or even that they're stupid per se. I think there are confounding variables at play. I think that people that live in less educated states tend to live in less dense areas and culturally and politically value independence. Listening to authorities who are trying to force them to do something somewhat invasive is a threat to that independence.
In terms of the COVID vaccine in particular I disagree with this argument. Yes, you have your farmers in rural Nebraska that won’t get the vaccine. But there are a lot of people living in and just outside of major metropolitan areas that have concerns over this vaccine in particular.
One of the things about this vaccine that really bothers me is that it became this “arms race” between rival big pharma companies to develop the best one that would get the most government dollars. What would have been ethical and perhaps made people less skeptical about getting the vaccine is if these greedy bastards would have said this is a public emergency, let’s get our top scientists together from all of these companies to create the best vaccine possible, have coordinated testing, and split the profits in the end.
When I see these speculations from investors on which company will come up with the best booster post initial inoculation, etc. it’s kind of disturbing.
I do agree when I was reading about shares of these companies going down when there was bad vaccine news it made me uncomfortable even though I'm very pro-capitalism.
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It's not that people weren't taught in school so they don't have the information. Or even that they're stupid per se. I think there are confounding variables at play. I think that people that live in less educated states tend to live in less dense areas and culturally and politically value independence. Listening to authorities who are trying to force them to do something somewhat invasive is a threat to that independence.
In terms of the COVID vaccine in particular I disagree with this argument. Yes, you have your farmers in rural Nebraska that won’t get the vaccine. But there are a lot of people living in and just outside of major metropolitan areas that have concerns over this vaccine in particular.
One of the things about this vaccine that really bothers me is that it became this “arms race” between rival big pharma companies to develop the best one that would get the most government dollars. What would have been ethical and perhaps made people less skeptical about getting the vaccine is if these greedy bastards would have said this is a public emergency, let’s get our top scientists together from all of these companies to create the best vaccine possible, have coordinated testing, and split the profits in the end.
When I see these speculations from investors on which company will come up with the best booster post initial inoculation, etc. it’s kind of disturbing.
That people are investing in a successful vaccine is disturbing??? The people developing these medicines need to be paid. People do not work for free.
People invest in GM because they expect it to be successful.
People invest in Amazon because it has a great model.
People invest in Apple because it has great products.
Why wouldn't people invest in companies that develop medicines - if they don't exist people die. If the companies are not successful they go bankrupt and close down.
You do realize that flu shots must be taken each year. Immunities on viruses do not last long. Covid is a virus and most likely will need booster shots. I'm pretty certain that one of these companies, maybe more than one, will develop a successful booster, which is a very good thing.
You do realize that competition is the best form of development. In WW2 about a dozen companies developed aircraft that had different characteristics that lead to different uses and each was needed for a specific use or alternate uses.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html
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It's not that people weren't taught in school so they don't have the information. Or even that they're stupid per se. I think there are confounding variables at play. I think that people that live in less educated states tend to live in less dense areas and culturally and politically value independence. Listening to authorities who are trying to force them to do something somewhat invasive is a threat to that independence.
In terms of the COVID vaccine in particular I disagree with this argument. Yes, you have your farmers in rural Nebraska that won’t get the vaccine. But there are a lot of people living in and just outside of major metropolitan areas that have concerns over this vaccine in particular.
One of the things about this vaccine that really bothers me is that it became this “arms race” between rival big pharma companies to develop the best one that would get the most government dollars. What would have been ethical and perhaps made people less skeptical about getting the vaccine is if these greedy bastards would have said this is a public emergency, let’s get our top scientists together from all of these companies to create the best vaccine possible, have coordinated testing, and split the profits in the end.
When I see these speculations from investors on which company will come up with the best booster post initial inoculation, etc. it’s kind of disturbing.
That people are investing in a successful vaccine is disturbing??? The people developing these medicines need to be paid. People do not work for free.
People invest in GM because they expect it to be successful.
People invest in Amazon because it has a great model.
People invest in Apple because it has great products.
Why wouldn't people invest in companies that develop medicines - if they don't exist people die. If the companies are not successful they go bankrupt and close down.
You do realize that flu shots must be taken each year. Immunities on viruses do not last long. Covid is a virus and most likely will need booster shots. I'm pretty certain that one of these companies, maybe more than one, will develop a successful booster, which is a very good thing.
You do realize that competition is the best form of development. In WW2 about a dozen companies developed aircraft that had different characteristics that lead to different uses and each was needed for a specific use or alternate uses.
I'm vaxxed and in favor of it. But yeah it made feel a bit uncomfortable because that could create wrong incentives. It's not a big deal, I'm still pro-vax.
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
If you think that's bad, you should see the numbers of people who die after NOT getting the vaccine.
But by all means, yes, "wake up."
That post was complete & utter horseshit.
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come on man, im sure anyone mad at people not getting vaccines recognize these people exist. we are mad at the ones who think they are getting a chip implanted or all the other nutjob conspiracies out there. Nobody would be mad either with people not getting a shot if they just put the damn mask on and stop whining about their freedumbs being taken away
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come on man, im sure anyone mad at people not getting vaccines recognize these people exist. we are mad at the ones who think they are getting a chip implanted or all the other nutjob conspiracies out there. Nobody would be mad either with people not getting a shot if they just put the damn mask on and stop whining about their freedumbs being taken away
Really, because last time I checked there are pushes to mandate vaccines for anyone who wants to work, go to a restaurant, etc. And the whole, “ just get a medical waiver” thing is complete bullshit. Those are almost impossible to get nowadays which I have explained on multiple other threads on here concerning my son. This is why medical choice is necessary. That’s my point with this post. It’s not as cut and dry as some think.
Not exactly the type of person being preached at...do you think?
The preaching is for the masses crying personal freedom and/or that I don't have enough information....
As far as I know corporations mandating the vaccine have both medical and religious exceptions. Besides as sad as this one case is, it's one case of one guy. Policy should be made with a lot more people than that in mind.
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shot but can’t due to complications with Guillen Barre syndrome. No medical waiver for him, has to leave the band. Not everyone in this situation are rich rock stars. This is a worthwhile read for those preaching death to all who don’t get the vaccine. Link - ( New Window )
As far as I know corporations mandating the vaccine have both medical and religious exceptions. Besides as sad as this one case is, it's one case of one guy. Policy should be made with a lot more people than that in mind.
Read my post above about medical waivers. They are nearly non existent now due to doctors fearing the loss of their medical license. That means many who should have them are screwed in a mandate scenario which is fast approaching.
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shot but can’t due to complications with Guillen Barre syndrome. No medical waiver for him, has to leave the band. Not everyone in this situation are rich rock stars. This is a worthwhile read for those preaching death to all who don’t get the vaccine. Link - ( New Window )
As far as I know corporations mandating the vaccine have both medical and religious exceptions. Besides as sad as this one case is, it's one case of one guy. Policy should be made with a lot more people than that in mind.
Read my post above about medical waivers. They are nearly non existent now due to doctors fearing the loss of their medical license. That means many who should have them are screwed in a mandate scenario which is fast approaching.
I'll start off by saying I'm philosophically opposed to vaccine mandates. That said, that's a problem with the medical waivers not vaccine mandates overall.
You are obviously butthurt by my comments. My comments were meant for those who can get the vaccine but choose not to out of selfishness or are too stupid and willfully ignorant and believe shit like the vaccines are gene therapy or bill gates is doing some 5g tracking. Part of my anger with these groups are because of people who can't like the person mentioned in your link. That might be too nuanced for you however. You are being very disingenuous to equate the two but I guess you're not discussing from a factual or honest position to begin with considering that you are bringing up autism regarding vaccines.
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shot but can’t due to complications with Guillen Barre syndrome. No medical waiver for him, has to leave the band. Not everyone in this situation are rich rock stars. This is a worthwhile read for those preaching death to all who don’t get the vaccine. Link - ( New Window )
As far as I know corporations mandating the vaccine have both medical and religious exceptions. Besides as sad as this one case is, it's one case of one guy. Policy should be made with a lot more people than that in mind.
Read my post above about medical waivers. They are nearly non existent now due to doctors fearing the loss of their medical license. That means many who should have them are screwed in a mandate scenario which is fast approaching.
I'll start off by saying I'm philosophically opposed to vaccine mandates. That said, that's a problem with the medical waivers not vaccine mandates overall.
No kidding, but unfortunately they go hand in hand at the end of the day.
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I sure hope he's out saving the rest of his dwindling group of clients and friends
That post was complete & utter horseshit.
It illustrates perfectly why people get frustrated over this. That false claim of his could easily sway someone to put themselves and others at risk by not getting the Vax
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I sure hope he's out saving the rest of his dwindling group of clients and friends
That post was complete & utter horseshit.
It illustrates perfectly why people get frustrated over this. That false claim of his could easily sway someone to put themselves and others at risk by not getting the Vax
Your comment about him off saving his dwindling friends and clients was hilarious montanagiant.
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shot but can’t due to complications with Guillen Barre syndrome. No medical waiver for him, has to leave the band. Not everyone in this situation are rich rock stars. This is a worthwhile read for those preaching death to all who don’t get the vaccine. Link - ( New Window )
You are obviously butthurt by my comments. My comments were meant for those who can get the vaccine but choose not to out of selfishness or are too stupid and willfully ignorant and believe shit like the vaccines are gene therapy or bill gates is doing some 5g tracking. Part of my anger with these groups are because of people who can't like the person mentioned in your link. That might be too nuanced for you however. You are being very disingenuous to equate the two but I guess you're not discussing from a factual or honest position to begin with considering that you are bringing up autism regarding vaccines.
Look chuckles, I guarantee any comment I have made on this thread has nothing to do with anything you have said, I don’t remember one post you have ever made in the apparent 20 years you have been registered on here based on your profile. You know nothing about autism so shut your mouth. And if you could read you would see that I was posting multiple theories on the rise in autism tied to a specific case study related to the Amish community, not specifically related to vaccines.
I have a son with autism by the way. I watched a child go from neurotypical (appropriate eye contact, engagement, tummy time, babbling/speech) to practically catatonic overnight after a vaccine. That’s not a coincidence. High pitch screaming, inconsolable, high fever, ER visit. The next day he was never the same. We’re 250k into treatments and he’s making huge progress, and it’s sure as hell not through mainstream medicine. You believe what you want to believe. I’m not anti-vax, but I have all of my vaccines. But I am pro medical choice because I know what’s it’s like to see someone injured by a vaccine.
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shot but can’t due to complications with Guillen Barre syndrome. No medical waiver for him, has to leave the band. Not everyone in this situation are rich rock stars. This is a worthwhile read for those preaching death to all who don’t get the vaccine. Link - ( New Window )
You are obviously butthurt by my comments. My comments were meant for those who can get the vaccine but choose not to out of selfishness or are too stupid and willfully ignorant and believe shit like the vaccines are gene therapy or bill gates is doing some 5g tracking. Part of my anger with these groups are because of people who can't like the person mentioned in your link. That might be too nuanced for you however. You are being very disingenuous to equate the two but I guess you're not discussing from a factual or honest position to begin with considering that you are bringing up autism regarding vaccines.
Look chuckles, I guarantee any comment I have made on this thread has nothing to do with anything you have said, I don’t remember one post you have ever made in the apparent 20 years you have been registered on here based on your profile. You know nothing about autism so shut your mouth. And if you could read you would see that I was posting multiple theories on the rise in autism tied to a specific case study related to the Amish community, not specifically related to vaccines.
I have a son with autism by the way. I watched a child go from neurotypical (appropriate eye contact, engagement, tummy time, babbling/speech) to practically catatonic overnight after a vaccine. That’s not a coincidence. High pitch screaming, inconsolable, high fever, ER visit. The next day he was never the same. We’re 250k into treatments and he’s making huge progress, and it’s sure as hell not through mainstream medicine. You believe what you want to believe. I’m not anti-vax, but I have all of my vaccines. But I am pro medical choice because I know what’s it’s like to see someone injured by a vaccine.
First, I'm glad your son is doing better and I'm glad you are doing the best you can by him. I too spent a huge sum of money (money doesn't matter in that regard) bringing my daughter into the world and keeping her alive so I have a big issue about people who don't vaccinate when they can. The guy purposely spreading false information set me off. You did directly mention my comment above but it's not worth arguing about vaccinations since you have a belief system I won't change. Just be careful of confirmation bias, ok?
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shot but can’t due to complications with Guillen Barre syndrome. No medical waiver for him, has to leave the band. Not everyone in this situation are rich rock stars. This is a worthwhile read for those preaching death to all who don’t get the vaccine. Link - ( New Window )
You are obviously butthurt by my comments. My comments were meant for those who can get the vaccine but choose not to out of selfishness or are too stupid and willfully ignorant and believe shit like the vaccines are gene therapy or bill gates is doing some 5g tracking. Part of my anger with these groups are because of people who can't like the person mentioned in your link. That might be too nuanced for you however. You are being very disingenuous to equate the two but I guess you're not discussing from a factual or honest position to begin with considering that you are bringing up autism regarding vaccines.
Look chuckles, I guarantee any comment I have made on this thread has nothing to do with anything you have said, I don’t remember one post you have ever made in the apparent 20 years you have been registered on here based on your profile. You know nothing about autism so shut your mouth. And if you could read you would see that I was posting multiple theories on the rise in autism tied to a specific case study related to the Amish community, not specifically related to vaccines.
I have a son with autism by the way. I watched a child go from neurotypical (appropriate eye contact, engagement, tummy time, babbling/speech) to practically catatonic overnight after a vaccine. That’s not a coincidence. High pitch screaming, inconsolable, high fever, ER visit. The next day he was never the same. We’re 250k into treatments and he’s making huge progress, and it’s sure as hell not through mainstream medicine. You believe what you want to believe. I’m not anti-vax, but I have all of my vaccines. But I am pro medical choice because I know what’s it’s like to see someone injured by a vaccine.
First, I'm glad your son is doing better and I'm glad you are doing the best you can by him. I too spent a huge sum of money (money doesn't matter in that regard) bringing my daughter into the world and keeping her alive so I have a big issue about people who don't vaccinate when they can. The guy purposely spreading false information set me off. You did directly mention my comment above but it's not worth arguing about vaccinations since you have a belief system I won't change. Just be careful of confirmation bias, ok?
All done with this topic. Best to you and yours and go Giants this season. I try not to talk about this stuff on here but sometimes it hits a little close to home.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
34 people. That settles it. LMFAO
(I’m neither pro or anti vaccine, I just think that shit right there is hilarious)
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And none have had a seizure, stroke, or "health issues". As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone who has gotten the vax suffering from any health issues.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
34 people. That settles it. LMFAO
(I’m neither pro or anti vaccine, I just think that shit right there is hilarious)
You're taking the post out of context. This is the exact argument anti-vaxxers are making. The people that are pro-vaccine are on the side of the data.
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And none have had a seizure, stroke, or "health issues". As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone who has gotten the vax suffering from any health issues.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
34 people. That settles it. LMFAO
(I’m neither pro or anti vaccine, I just think that shit right there is hilarious)
I have 14 people in my immediate family who have gotten it. I have 10 guys at 2 different job sites who had to get it to work at them. I have 3 couples that are close friends of ours that they and their kids have gotten them.
Stop being an ignorant fuckwit Spanky.
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And none have had a seizure, stroke, or "health issues". As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone who has gotten the vax suffering from any health issues.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
34 people. That settles it. LMFAO
(I’m neither pro or anti vaccine, I just think that shit right there is hilarious)
You're taking the post out of context. This is the exact argument anti-vaxxers are making. The people that are pro-vaccine are on the side of the data.
Don't waste your time, the minute someone starts off with "I'm neither pro nor anti BUT...." you end dealing with someone full of shit. I respect those who actually take a stand for their preferred bias then absurd false claims of straddling the fence.
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And none have had a seizure, stroke, or "health issues". As a matter of fact, I don't know of anyone who has gotten the vax suffering from any health issues.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
34 people. That settles it. LMFAO
(I’m neither pro or anti vaccine, I just think that shit right there is hilarious)
You're taking the post out of context. This is the exact argument anti-vaxxers are making. The people that are pro-vaccine are on the side of the data.
Don't waste your time, the minute someone starts off with "I'm neither pro nor anti BUT...." you end dealing with someone full of shit. I respect those who actually take a stand for their preferred bias then absurd false claims of straddling the fence.
Don’t get caught caught up with BlueHurricane. Last year he claimed he knew 23 people who got Covid and was proud of it.