As I do 20 or so times a year, I went to the Rochester Red Wings baseball game tonight. We’re the AAA team for the Nats. Bottom of the first, the third baseman for the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs has a seizure/stroke and falls to the ground. Silence at the stadium. An ambulance came out but they didn’t move him for 20 minutes or so. It was the first game of a double header. Needless to say, everything was cancelled.
A very surreal night at Frontier Field. This is a 23 year old professional athlete in prime condition and he has a stroke. It was hard to see.
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What color is the sky in your world?
The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals." If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.
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The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.
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Fuck your mother.
+1, and even the “science” people don’t 100% agree with each other anymore.
Welcome to the re-birth of Lysenkoism. Unfortunately, it's happening now on a much more global scale.
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
Needless to describe the gory details and sounds, both bones snapped. Yuk.
So let's stop with unproven assumptions regarding the Vaccine
What did I state that was incorrect?
I would think the answer to that should be obvious.
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What did I state that was incorrect?
Your rhetorical questions are fatuous.
Look up anecdotal evidence and compare it with peer reviewed, controlled double blind experiments and tell me which is more convincing.
Needless to say, but I am sorry for the issues with your family.
My mother had a stroke 1 week after getting the “vaccine”. She was told “ this has nothing to do with the vaccine”
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
***Why would the doctors lie? They have no stake in the issue. Is it possible the vax had something to do with their illness - I would be lying if I said no. Any vaccine can cause health issues - none are totally free of issues.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
***Works both ways, depending on your POV
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
***Why have hundreds of thousands(probably millions) of doctors and nurses taken the vax..
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
***It is a vaccine, just because it has not been fully approved does not make in experimental - it is far past experimental. mRNA science has been around about 2 decades. I just heard the only reason the FDA has not approved fully is they are waiting on the results of how long past the "expiration date" listed on the vial that the vaccine actually begins to breakdown. There are 100s of millions of people that taken it. There is far more data collected then is necessary for approval or rejection. Remember the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was not approved, as were others.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
***I am for the right of people to choose not to take it. I am not for forcing people to take it(mandates). However, I am also not for the right of people to call a safe and effective medicine "experimental" just because they distrust it. Something in the neighborhood of 96/98% of all hospitalizations now are from those not vaccinated - so obviously it does work.
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
The tables are so badly stacked against the pharma's in courts, they would not have developed and produced it without immunities. Ugly but honest answer.
FYI, if you do not like the mRNA vaccines, the J&J vaccine was developed using the old fashioned method. It is just not as effective and even less so against the "Delta" variant. But it still mitigates the symptoms, just not as well.
Wake up
- to each his own
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
You can add my father in law to that list. Got the vax in February and ended up in the hospital with an intestinal issue three days later.
It’s not strange at all- literally nobody in my world is having these problems and a vast majority of the people I know are vaccinated. In fact the only medical problems I’ve seen are from people who were infected with COVID.
So, please, explain- and quantify- these “strange things you’re seeing.
You also need to be humble enough to understand that sometimes, shit happens. People develop seizure disorders all the time- this isn’t a new phenomenon and most of the time, they can’t find a cause. The only difference now is that you have a boogeyman to blame it on.
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
I agree that it is a personal issue, probably derived from untruths and misconceptions, although many have medical issues and cannot partake. If you want to sit on the sideline and wait a while fine. But you cannot randomly blame the vaccines for all medical issues that happen after having the vaccine.
I understand apprehensions on rapidly developed medicines. I also know that most of the technology used was not new. I also know that computer generated calculations help speed up development.
If you do not like the mRNA vaccines, the J&J is a traditionally developed one - what is the excuse there?
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
Of course anyone can be affected by a vaccine. On the other hand just because someone has an issue doesn’t mean it has anything to do with a vaccine.
If you have kids, do you get them vaccinated for school?
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
My sister is now having massive health issues after getting the “vaccine”. Told nothing to do with “vaccine”.
2 perfectly healthy people now out of nowhere having major health issues and neither one was reported or even investigated as “vaccine” related.
Again…. Why is anyone pointing to an issue instantly silenced and canceled.
Why are hundreds of doctors and nurses losing their jobs because they won’t take the “vaccine”
Why are people calling an experimental mRNA therapy a “vaccine”.
Why is anyone who is nervous about taking and experimental mRNA vaccine instantly called anti vaccine and ridiculed?
Why has the federal government granted these companies immunity from lawsuits?
Wake up
You need to answer one question before you start blaming the vaccine: How often do "perfectly healthy people" randomly develop these problems? The answer is not zero.
The next question is how many "perfectly healthy people" randomly develop these problems after getting vaccinated?
If the answers to both questions are the same or very close to the same, you need to stop yapping about how bad the vaccine is.
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
The reality with the rise in anti-vax is that Andrew Wakefield is a crook and his fraudulent article in the Lancet that gave birth to so much disinformation and lies has done irreparable damage to our society.
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over the last 10 years or so. Many of the anti-vax people have family members that have been adversely affected by vaccines. They want the medical community and the big pharma companies to acknowledge the injuries and use that data to make modifications to vaccines to make them safer (eg. Changing preservatives, decoupling combo vaccines into individual shots, etc.). Most of these people don’t want to be anti-vax.
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
The reality with the rise in anti-vax is that Andrew Wakefield is a crook and his fraudulent article in the Lancet that gave birth to so much disinformation and lies has done irreparable damage to our society.
It’s not mainly because of Wakefield. That’s a name that gets thrown out there all the time because it’s easy to point at and something the media likes to harp on.
Vaccine injuries are real and the real data often gets squashed. Is it a high % of those that are injured, no, but it’s real and unfortunately those people go unrecognized nearly 100% of the time.
If you really want to go back to where this started you can look at the legislation in the 80’s that prevents anyone from suing big pharma for any injuries related to vaccines. Once it starts to hit their pocket book big pharma pays attention. But to research the cause of injuries for the less than 5% that suffer adverse reactions, too costly for big pharma and there are no repercussions now so why bother is their “unofficial” stance.
If you recall there were all kinds of lawsuits against big pharma in the early 80’s over a few different vaccines. Mike Wallace dedicated an entire 60 minutes to the story. Shortly after that the legislation passed.
The medical community and big pharma has taken the opposite approach and essentially call these people “crazy” and won’t acknowledge that there could be any connection between injuries and vaccines. This is the primary reason the anti-vax percentage has increased. It’s a trust issue. If this situation happened 20 years ago I bet the vax rate for this virus would be at least 80% by now. Trust has eroded significantly over the past 10-15 years especially.
The rise in anti-vax is more than likely social media and lies propagated on it. Jenny McCarthy and her ilk out there just lying and ignorant and people believing what these ignorant malcontents are saying.
That there have been adverse reactions to vaccines is a truth that has been accepted and is listed on the contra-indication section on the vaccine data sheets. Thinking that MDs and RNs are covering up instead of reporting findings so that issues can be explored by FDA and the Pharmas is an untruth being circulated by SM.
Think about this for more than 2 seconds - why would people whose whole existence is for assisting and aiding sick people(MDs, PAs and RNs) lie? Why would they not report their findings so that improvements could be made?
Do I trust big Pharma - not fully and not without reservations because $$ is involved.
Do I trust the millions of DRs, PAs and RNs telling us that these medicines are safe and effective - yes. There are some that are bad apples(opioids!), absolutely, but their numbers are miniscule.
The best way to cause mutations in a virus is to relax protections in a population that is only 50 percent vaccinated. Yay us, we did it.
All you Karen's stuck in a self fulfilling and self perpetuating feedback loop of Facebook news and conspiracy theories can kindly do us all a favor and die at home alone of the coronavirus and please do it quickly.
Thank you.
The best way to cause mutations in a virus is to relax protections in a population that is only 50 percent vaccinated. Yay us, we did it.
All you Karen's stuck in a self fulfilling and self perpetuating feedback loop of Facebook news and conspiracy theories can kindly do us all a favor and die at home alone of the coronavirus and please do it quickly.
Thank you.
Until you or one of your family members is injured by a vaccine, then your perspective changes a little bit in terms of medical choice. Been there, done that.
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Has now become one sided and anyone who disagrees with the science is silenced and canceled.
Your post should say “the politically correct science” rather than “science”. In an evolving situation, known science is changing as more facts come in and people need to objectively review the facts without preconceived agenda.
Science changes all the time when deemed appropriate by scientists. Not people reading non-credible propaganda online.
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Something from the vaccine but for fucks sake you take that risk because it's for the good of everybody that we end this pandemic.
The best way to cause mutations in a virus is to relax protections in a population that is only 50 percent vaccinated. Yay us, we did it.
All you Karen's stuck in a self fulfilling and self perpetuating feedback loop of Facebook news and conspiracy theories can kindly do us all a favor and die at home alone of the coronavirus and please do it quickly.
Thank you.
Until you or one of your family members is injured by a vaccine, then your perspective changes a little bit in terms of medical choice. Been there, done that.
Does it also change when a family member is hospitalized or dies because they did not take a vaccine because they were influenced by a vocal group that reported half truths and lies. This is by far the bigger of the two issues.
And I had not said it earlier, but I hope your father is fully recovered.
People have a right to choose what goes into their body. And people have a right to agree or disagree on their feelings regarding anything really. That’s what has made this a great country to live in for so long.
Because people use one or two people getting sick directly after taking a vaccine as proof vaccines don't work. There's no evidence it's linked to the vaccine and even if it is it doesn't override the overwhelming evidence of hundreds of millions that are fine. People use these anecdotes to "debunk" actual science.
Natural selection at its best
oh the big bad govt is censoring and taking my freedoms away! not 1 f'ing goddamn thing has changed. we all like the same lives except now we have to put masks on. THE HORROR!