For the Mets:
McNeil 2B
Alonso 1B
Smith LF
Báez SS
Conforto RF
Roy Hobbs / Drury 3B
Pillar CF
Nido C
Stroman P
For the Reds:
India 2B
Winker LF
Farmer SS
Stephenson C
Schrock 1B
Suárez 3B
Naquin CF
Aquino RF
Gutiérrez P
The Báez-Garrett watch is on! LGM!
Love to see Drury with another start at 3B, and against a righty... seemingly supplanting Villar, which would be the obvious start as of last week. Not this week, though! He's earned it!
Rookie Vladimir Gutiérrez is 5-3 with a 4.75 ERA in 11 starts, 60.2 IP in his rookie season.
In his last start, Gutiérrez picked up a win against the Cubs throwing 6.1 IP allowing 2 ER, 5 H, 3 BB, and 5 Ks.
this is a game the offense should win - big fan of today's lineup. McNeil has been locked in the last few weeks, Alonso is obviously Alonso, Dom had the big hit last night and is due for a hot streak, and Baez gives them a major threat at cleanup. Would be nice to get ahead for once this series with some early runs from that group.
this is a game the offense should win - big fan of today's lineup. McNeil has been locked in the last few weeks, Alonso is obviously Alonso, Dom had the big hit last night and is due for a hot streak, and Baez gives them a major threat at cleanup. Would be nice to get ahead for once this series with some early runs from that group.
I'm in to see what Drury is going to do next!
With reports to the contrary, I'm leaning towards him not being signed. Hope I'm wrong.
With reports to the contrary, I'm leaning towards him not being signed. Hope I'm wrong.
What is the end result of NOT signing him?
Do we just lose the pick
is there any benefit?
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Today is the deadline to sign Kumar Rocker.
With reports to the contrary, I'm leaning towards him not being signed. Hope I'm wrong.
What is the end result of NOT signing him?
Do we just lose the pick
is there any benefit?
he goes into next years draft and I believe the Mets get next years #11 pick
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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I’ll save my Rocker thoughts for 5:30, but not gonna be able to sell me on this being anything other than a disaster draft when there’s no first round pick and you are one million under pool on the rest of it. If you don’t have the meds on your top arm take a backup prep Day 3.
for context remember in 2019 they took Baty @ 12 and paid him 3.9m which was underslot and then went over slot to pay Matt Allan 2.5m in the 3rd round.
in 2020 they paid PCA slot which was 3.3m and then gave Ginn a 2.9m bonus.
so it's really an evaluation of what they think Kumar is worth with whatever the injury is. They thought he was a 6m talent when they took. They paid Ginn 2.9m knowing he needed TJS so it would seem like it would have to be a pretty bad injury to not sign Kumar.
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
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If the #mets don't sign Kumar Rocker, it's an organization failure from the very top on down. Wilpons would get crushed for this, and after a very underwhelming trade deadline, someone has to answer for this.
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
ANOTHER injury, out of the blue: Luis Guillorme has a left hamstring strain and is going on the IL.
Pitcher Geoff Hartlieb up.
Obviously elbow surgeries are relevant.
Dan, can you explain how "Boras and the Mets colluded?" I'm unclear as to how the Mets colluded in this scenario.
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
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1m
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I am very disappointed by this news. I am not privy to medicals, so I have no idea what the Mets see. But passing on a top 10 pick and not having another lottery ticket pick to throw $ to is a questionable look.
They’ll have two 1st rounders in 2022. #11 and their own.
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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5m
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You’re going to read people saying otherwise and talking why prospects should always turn over medicals or that they can make up value next year. The Mets will (unethically) leak the most ominous medical shit they have to friendly reporters. Just pay the player what you promised!
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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If you think this Mets regime is ever getting agent cooperation on a float again you’re out of your fucking mind btw
Obviously elbow surgeries are relevant.
Dan, can you explain how "Boras and the Mets colluded?" I'm unclear as to how the Mets colluded in this scenario.
It's called "floating". Jarrett Seidler from Baseball Prospectus actually makes reference to it here in his most recent tweet. Players make clear they won't sign with XYZ or will only sign for X number to push their way to a specific team.
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Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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If you think this Mets regime is ever getting agent cooperation on a float again you’re out of your fucking mind btw"
Mad at Boras or not, it doesn't make sense to me for them not to sign him.
Mad at Boras or not, it doesn't make sense to me for them not to sign him.
Because if you let an agent dick you around on medicals, they'll do it again.
Because previous health issues are not considered necessary information in the MLB draft process. There are no physicals given by teams. Boras has a positive reputation for giving medical information regarding his clients league-wide, including the draft.
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Jarrett Seidler
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Again, Boras will always work with you if the money is there, but he’s not going to trust your handshake anymore. A *lot* more of this stuff is done on good faith handshakes than I think fans or even most writers realize
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
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Building up the farm system takes time, especially when you traded a bunch of prospects over the last few years.
Sure, they can draft well next year, but not signing a guy I would rank #2 and trading last years first rounder is the opposite of how you build up a farm system
D.J. Short
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The Mets could sign Kumar Rocker for middle reliever money. I don’t know the medical info, but it seems foolish to not just take the gamble, especially when you didn’t have a backup plan. This is a major failure all the way around and the Mets deserve all the heat they will get.
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The Mets are getting all the bad press here, but Boras and Rocker intentionally withheld pertinent medical info. Not sure why they get the free pass on this.
Because previous health issues are not considered necessary information in the MLB draft process. There are no physicals given by teams. Boras has a positive reputation for giving medical information regarding his clients league-wide, including the draft.
But he didn't do it in this instance.
@jackwramsey
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The Mets and the Boras/Rocker camp sit about “a million dollars or so” apart in negotiations, per a source. Do not rule out them finding a middle ground at the last minute, like with the Lindor negotiations, but some heavy work would have to be done to get there.
@TheAmazinCiti
Then the fitness guru Sandy hired who ended Wrights career
Then the whole mess with Harvey throwing 210 innings first year back from TJ. Basically ended Harveys career as an ace
Now tons of hamstrings and other avoidable injuries this year
What’s the common denominator? Sandy Alderson.
Overall, I think Sandy has done a good job. But just too many health issues to be a coincidence. The organization needs to
Bring in an outside medical
Consultant.
And Sideler's take...."Pay the kid what you promised him" Is downright wrong.
The whole thing is a cluster.
And Sideler's take...."Pay the kid what you promised him" Is downright wrong.
The whole thing is a cluster.
Rocker didn't miss any time due to injury so your example isn't really fair.
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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No. It is correct to assume *THE METS* think there is. There are two sides to this story
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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If you want to talk about how smart the Mets are here you cannot get around that they did not draft a backup plan. Every knowledgeable prospect writer talking about this is pointing that out. It has been the talk of the industry for two weeks.
Carlos Collazo
@CarlosACollazo
The #Mets entire draft strategy was based on an over slot deal for Kumar Rocker. Six of their top 10 round picks were underslot deals & the other 3 were slot. Additionally, there's no 11-20 round backup pick to pivot money to with all of those players signed for $125K or less.
And Sideler's take...."Pay the kid what you promised him" Is downright wrong.
The whole thing is a cluster.
I'm also in real estate. I think our backgrounds definitely are coloring our opinion here.
Then the fitness guru Sandy hired who ended Wrights career
Then the whole mess with Harvey throwing 210 innings first year back from TJ. Basically ended Harveys career as an ace
Now tons of hamstrings and other avoidable injuries this year
What’s the common denominator? Sandy Alderson.
Overall, I think Sandy has done a good job. But just too many health issues to be a coincidence. The organization needs to
Bring in an outside medical
Consultant.
The organization has health issues but come on this is silly. David Wright broke his back playing baseball and he developed a degenerative condition trying to play through that.
Beltran (and others) did not trust the mets medical staff but that was a group Alderson inherited during the Wilpon years.
With Harvey they bent over backwards to protect him and the end of year situation was avoidable if he had been willing to skip starts during the year to keep his innings down - but he wasn't.
they 100% need to revamp their performance team but Altcheck and the HSS have about as good of reputations as you can ask for. the performance side of things is where they have been behind the times but that's likely purely because like everything else the Wilpons didn't invest smartly.
I have a slight issue with how they are playing this if Rocker is a) not a serious injury risk and b) as good as they seemed to think he is by being willing to pay him $6m.
however - if perhaps they only liked more than the other options this year but didn't think he was anything special as a prospect, and the $6m was more of a strategic thing to get him to drop than an endorsement of his talent, then I think it's understandable to make a point. They will be able to add a Ginn/Allan next year with the extra money.
bottom line even if they are 100% right and feel burned I don't think they should make a point at the expense of the team if they think this kid is Verlander or Cole. but if they think Kumar is on the level of the Allan/Ginn types and is replaceable next year so be it.
All that said if I could get good odds right now I bet he signs and each side gives up $500k. Everyone will look bad (especially Boras) if his player loses money, so this is one of those cases where it probably makes sense for him to just eat his commission if need be just to keep his client happy.
imagine being Rocker, knowing he already had some velocity issues this year, and your agent may have cost you $6m because of a miscommunication? Boras is on the hot seat. And this leak that the Mets are gonna walk seems very conveniently timed to make it that much hotter. The player has the most to lose in this situation so I think that side will blink one way or another.
That said, if there's bad blood, and certainly you can easily believe there is, the player could easily draw a line in the sand as not wanting to play for this organization. But again, if he does so, you're still leaving a lot of money on the table hoping it will still be there next year.
That said, if there's bad blood, and certainly you can easily believe there is, the player could easily draw a line in the sand as not wanting to play for this organization. But again, if he does so, you're still leaving a lot of money on the table hoping it will still be there next year.
pitchers draw lines in sand at their own risk. TJS is basically a formality for more than half at this point. Remember when Matt Harvey refused to talk about extensions early?
Boras could have been more forth-coming with the full picture, but that's expecting too much of that huckster.
Sideler is simply piling on. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it as a Mets fan from their Polo Grounds days.
Let's put this episode behind us and play ball for 2 solid months....or is that expecting too much.
I agree in theory for a high upside overslot position player as opposed to a pitcher.
That said Watson's profile seems very boom or bust. We've had good luck recently with HS bats but they've all been very polished hitters. Dom, Baty, and Kelenic were all in the convo for "best hitter in HS class". PCA too I think even though obviously he has only barely debuted so who knows. None of those guys were super sexy picks but all were pure hitters pretty much right away.
But that's in part why I don't mind punting the $4.5m to next year. Is Kumar with injury risk definitively better than picking the next Kelenic/Baty/PCA? And possibly using some money from the pick slot to go overslot with another pick?
I'm far far more enthused about the idea of a multi-year deal for Baez than I would have been for Bryant (or Conforto for that matter).
Now Castro has to get a big out with little wiggle room for error.
But mainly, coming off one of the best wins of the season, the team comes out flat.
Really haven't liked the offensive approach and lack of quality ABs today.