god only 2 hours left. I've been refreshing twitter all day and it's mostly just blue balls.
Yup and my mother in law is staying at our house tonight, means i can sneak downstairs and out Knicks fan tv on the ipad, olympics on tv and refresh twitter on my phonr all night lol
Are these Noel and Burks rumors true? Are we basically going to have the same team as last year plus Fournier? What’s the point of locking these guys in for 3 years? The team isn’t going to be even close to contending for a championship for 4 or 5 years if they are locking in these guys on 3 year deals.
saying ajr is wrong but the way Fischer phrased it, it's going to be pretty weird/bad look if he's wrong (Fischer that is)
Doesn't sound like he's implying it's a rumor vs. news.
"Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually. "
Are these Noel and Burks rumors true? Are we basically going to have the same team as last year plus Fournier? What’s the point of locking these guys in for 3 years? The team isn’t going to be even close to contending for a championship for 4 or 5 years if they are locking in these guys on 3 year deals.
As far as I know there’s no shot either would be back on longer than a one year deal at that price. Would go against the whole plan of preserving cap space unless there’s a definite upgrade. I could be wrong.
Then these would be awful signings for a team that is looking to improve to be come a contender over the next few years. You don’t eat up cap space on these guys for more than 1 year. This is the issue with thibs, he thinks he can win a championship with average talent, it doesn’t work. I really hope Fischer is wrong or every year after the first is non guranteed
I refused to believe that Phil would give Joakim Noah all of that money.
Oh man, when those rumblings started I figured one-year deal - vet mentor for KP and Hernangomez or something. But no, four fully guaranteed years that are still hurting us.
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Agree completely on Fournier. He's a good player, who I'd like them to sign but his upside is capped and a 4th year player option puts all of the risk on the Knicks. He's not an essential piece.
Marc Berman
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
if that is overpaid then the knicks might have an issues getting players signed, haha.
I dont know how i feel bout dinwiddie. I mean if you pair him with a shooter like fournier i guess im ok with it. But again thats gonna be prolly near 40 mill a year for dinwiddie and fournier, just not sure how i feel bout that, ha.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
because he was playing with Lebron and then Zion and those guys were both given the keys as point forwards? I thought Lonzo was more of a natural ball-handling pass-first PG who could score back in college? I thought that was the whole point of why people think he could be a steal, because he's been playing roles on the Lakers and Pelicans that aren't best suited for his game. IDK. That's just what I heard. I didn't watch a ton of Lonzo in college.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
yeah but you still need guards who can put pressure on the opposing defense. And they have to replace Bledsoe's minutes (nobody played more than him for NO last year).
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
They locked in the players that they had and gave them raises, basically bringing back the same team with one exception. They gave them all multiyear deals, so next year they won't have the cap space that they had this year.
Reggie Bullock was efficient from 3 as well.
I'm just telling you how I feel these free agent signings. If you want to stan and be happy about bringing back the same team, that's fine. I just wanted clear upgrades and other than one exception, they haven't done that at all.
If you want to build through the draft, then you have to lean on/wait
Whatever RJ Barrett becomes is the way this team gets better. We're comparing an 18ppg scorer to a 10ppg scoring. One's a backup and one's a bonafide NBA starter.
Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA. Keeping some kind of rim protection was critical to playing Thibs' defense.
You might be one of the only people left who thinks they're paying Mitch. I certainly don't. They'd move him in an instant for a piece they need. I think they just drafted his replacement.
Bullock was good for the Knicks last year, but you they are different players offensively. Bullock is a spot up shooter, where Fournier can get and make shots from all over the court.
Bullock is a better defender though. Really love how he embraced that role last year.
some of you are WAYYYY too obsessed or scared of these contracts. Not every deal is Noah redux or Stat redux or whatever.
Most deals can be traded. As long as the player isn't close to dead or unable to play, they CAN and will be traded.
Some of you are scarred. The Knicks are well coached and the roster is populated with not one single max deal and every player here is either underpaid (Randle) or paid as they should be paid, on 3 year deals. Noel or Burks cannot be traded? Since when? They are making peanuts compared to most NBA vets and both earned a well earned rep as a solid pros.
Not every contract is a death knell. Especially now when the team is well coached. Players aren't running the asylum here anymore.
Knicks couldn't do anything else. You cannot force a player to come here and you cannot just NOT pay vets. Knicks need to field a team that can play. Noel and Burks earned their money and round out the rotation.
Couldn't do much else and this doesn't change the future. Still have a flexible roster and kept the kids. It wasn't fun or exciting, but it's not bad either.
For the Knicks?
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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million
For the Knicks?
Yea, that’s their offer. Not done yet.
Yup and my mother in law is staying at our house tonight, means i can sneak downstairs and out Knicks fan tv on the ipad, olympics on tv and refresh twitter on my phonr all night lol
Doesn't sound like he's implying it's a rumor vs. news.
"Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually. "
Now if true and Noel gets 10 million, you resigning mitch 12 to 15?
Now if true and Noel gets 10 million, you resigning mitch 12 to 15?
Depends, is Noel a 1 year deal? If not, then I'd assume Mitch will be trade bait.
As far as I know there’s no shot either would be back on longer than a one year deal at that price. Would go against the whole plan of preserving cap space unless there’s a definite upgrade. I could be wrong.
In fact, I still don’t think that actually happened.
Oh man, when those rumblings started I figured one-year deal - vet mentor for KP and Hernangomez or something. But no, four fully guaranteed years that are still hurting us.
Noel i could go either way if he leaves fine, if he stays fine
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Agree completely on Fournier. He's a good player, who I'd like them to sign but his upside is capped and a 4th year player option puts all of the risk on the Knicks. He's not an essential piece.
@NYPost_Berman
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
@NYPost_Berman
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1m
Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
I dont know how i feel bout dinwiddie. I mean if you pair him with a shooter like fournier i guess im ok with it. But again thats gonna be prolly near 40 mill a year for dinwiddie and fournier, just not sure how i feel bout that, ha.
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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
Agree
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
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Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
yeah but you still need guards who can put pressure on the opposing defense. And they have to replace Bledsoe's minutes (nobody played more than him for NO last year).
Nooooope. That's the THJ deal. Noooooope.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
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but I'm really disappointed.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
They locked in the players that they had and gave them raises, basically bringing back the same team with one exception. They gave them all multiyear deals, so next year they won't have the cap space that they had this year.
Reggie Bullock was efficient from 3 as well.
I'm just telling you how I feel these free agent signings. If you want to stan and be happy about bringing back the same team, that's fine. I just wanted clear upgrades and other than one exception, they haven't done that at all.
Whatever RJ Barrett becomes is the way this team gets better. We're comparing an 18ppg scorer to a 10ppg scoring. One's a backup and one's a bonafide NBA starter.
Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA. Keeping some kind of rim protection was critical to playing Thibs' defense.
You might be one of the only people left who thinks they're paying Mitch. I certainly don't. They'd move him in an instant for a piece they need. I think they just drafted his replacement.
Bullock is a better defender though. Really love how he embraced that role last year.
Most deals can be traded. As long as the player isn't close to dead or unable to play, they CAN and will be traded.
Some of you are scarred. The Knicks are well coached and the roster is populated with not one single max deal and every player here is either underpaid (Randle) or paid as they should be paid, on 3 year deals. Noel or Burks cannot be traded? Since when? They are making peanuts compared to most NBA vets and both earned a well earned rep as a solid pros.
Not every contract is a death knell. Especially now when the team is well coached. Players aren't running the asylum here anymore.
Knicks couldn't do anything else. You cannot force a player to come here and you cannot just NOT pay vets. Knicks need to field a team that can play. Noel and Burks earned their money and round out the rotation.
Couldn't do much else and this doesn't change the future. Still have a flexible roster and kept the kids. It wasn't fun or exciting, but it's not bad either.