They are both resigning. I have no interest in giving Fournier 4 years for $80 million, guy can’t play a lick of defense. I also heard on a simmons or Russillo podcasts that Fournier has the worst PER in NBA playoff history for a players that has played at least X amount of games.
As a restricted free agent, the Knicks would have to fashion an offer sheet that would be difficult for Miami to match. Of course knowing Riley, besides negotiating the Lowry deal before free agent talks are allowed, he probably already has a deal in place for Robinson.
My prediction is the Knicks sign Fournier and Schroeder and bring back Bullock and Rose.
Someone would have to convince me what Duncan Robinson
I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
Let's hope MM is a hell of lot better than FN, a bottom of the barrel NBA player. I get a Derek Fisher vibe out of MM (competitive as hell, bulldog type who may be better off ball than as a lead guard).
but he's literally only a shooter. There's probably a role for a Novak type of sniper but if he's replacing Bullock's spot, he needs to be able to defend too. However we might think of Bullock's defense, Thibs leaned on him and trusted that part of his game.
but he's literally only a shooter. There's probably a role for a Novak type of sniper but if he's replacing Bullock's spot, he needs to be able to defend too. However we might think of Bullock's defense, Thibs leaned on him and trusted that part of his game.
Duncan is more of a taller Redick, he is going to run off screens, trae young is not going to be able to just sit in a corner and guard him...Robinson is not just a spot up shooter..
im not overly excited to sign Duncan to 20 per. He is a very good shooter, but I dont see a guy creating his own shot that often. So he is probably a much better open 3 pt shooter then Bullock but i still just seem him as a 3 pt shooter and im not excited to pay him a ton of money.
40 million to Schroeder and Fournier then you might as well just start prepping for that day in 2 seasons when we are excited by the new GM and president we have coming in. Not sure what Schroeder or fournier have done to make us htink they woudl be worth that kind of money. Im ok with fournier for like 15 per, but i have zero interest in schroeder.
I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.
40 million to Schroeder and Fournier then you might as well just start prepping for that day in 2 seasons when we are excited by the new GM and president we have coming in. Not sure what Schroeder or fournier have done to make us htink they woudl be worth that kind of money. Im ok with fournier for like 15 per, but i have zero interest in schroeder.
I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.
Yeah i dont want Schroeder either, rather Dinwiddie or even Dragic on a 1 year deal..
Either Schroeders agent is using the Knicks to prop him up or the Knicks plan on signing him, a lot of smoke
They are preserving cap space. Even something that seems small like the draft picks helps. They go big game hunting. If they get a target then great. If not, then they go for short term deals to preserve their cap space for next offseason with maybe one 3 year deal around 20 mil per.
Let’s not oversell what he is, he is a poor mans Kyle Korver. Why would we be paying $20 million for that. He plays one side of the ball. Not a fan unless a 1 year deal. I don’t mind overpaying guys on 1 year deals.
im not interested in Duncan that much but to call him a poor mans Korver seems like a bit much. If anything id say he is similar to korver. THing is i wouldnt want to pay prime korver 20+ mill either.
I have a feeling today will end with Schroeder and Fournier as Knicks. It just seems to be moving in that direction.
I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point.
I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.
This is basically how I feel too.
If you gave each guy 2 year 40 mil contracts with a team option in year 2 I'd be fine with that. But locking either up long term seems like an iffy call.
or 2 years with a team option. I dont really want schroeder at any cost,, but if its 1 year then sure, why not. Thing is there is no way you are getting guys like Fournier or Schroeder for 1 year. Thowing the second year team option in there would be somewhat meaningless. If the player was so amazing that we want to pay him 20 mill that second year then he woudl be better off being a FA again and if he doesnt play amazing we are just not picking up the option.
Id rather wait on guys like the above and see if they arent getting what they thought they would. Then maybe you can swoop in with a huge 1 year deal. Like if fournier is getting 4/50 type offers maybe he signs for 1/25 or something. Sure its an overpay, but 1 year.
but i mean why am i paying Schroeder 20 mill when i could prolly get Reggie Jackson for much less. At least less year for sure. Or if we really dont care about shooting just getting a guy like McConnell. I jsut dont understand what people like about schroeder. Like what separates him from other PG's
to replace Bullock/Burks if we decide not to overpay the Fournier's of the world.
Its funny i almost dont want the Knicks to sign anyone today. Today is the day we are going to see the absurd contracts to the avg players. If Kawhi wants to sign, go for it, lol, but otherwise just sit today out.
I want to give this FO the benefit of the doubt...
Do you really think they're going to give multiyear 20 million dollar deals to Fournier and Schroder if they think it will keep them from catching a big fish?
If they can't get someone big, I predict another series of one year deals or deals with team options and kicking the can down the road for one more offseason.
There is legitimately very little cap space this offseason.
Knicks - 54 million
Spurs - 48 million
Mavs - 35 million
OKC - 30 million
Raptors - 23 million.
Think of all the people that are talking about getting 20 million dollars a season or more:
Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley
Lonzo Ball
Duncan Robinson
Dennis Shroeder
John Collins
DeMar DeRozan
Norman Powell
Spencer Dinwiddie
Lauri Markkanen
Evan Fournier
That's a LOT of players for little cap space. I think that some players will end up taking less or shorter deals. They'll have to unless they want to chase rings with the Lakers for the vet minimum.
I dont think anyone knows what the Knicks are going to do
float the idea the knicks want to give your guy 20 mill a year and maybe you can get 15 from the team actually interested.
Just stay the course. Now isnt the time to overpay middling guys. There will be good value in like 2 days when the teams who do have space overpay everyone.
RE: I dont think anyone knows what the Knicks are going to do
and because they have the most money and they are the Knicks media assumes they are throwing big money at schroeder..
I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense
If they did sign Schroeder my guess is it would be because he can't find a longer term deal and is the best PG available willing to take a 1+1 type deal. He's a solid player, not worth $4/80 but on a one year deal they could do worse. I think the narrative surrounded him has swung too far towards him stinking.
And while the Heat still seem focused on finding a path to bring on DeMar DeRozan as well, that does not sound like a requirement for Lowry to join Miami.
DeRozan now appears headed for his own significant payday. It’s believed both the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers saw DeRozan as amenable to coming home and chasing a championship in his native city at the taxpayer mid-level exception that would net roughly $5.9 million. That no longer seems to be the case.
Lowry’s former running mate was said to have strong interest from New York, Detroit and Dallas, sources told B/R.
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That’s probably because the heavily-rumored Spencer Dinwiddie sign-and-trade to Washington appears to have lost some momentum. Brooklyn has not signaled much interest in taking back either Kyle Kuzma’s or Montrezl Harrell’s contract onto its exorbitant tax bill, sources said, despite the Wizards’ ongoing efforts to move both bigs.
There are still scenarios where Dinwiddie could sign with Washington, because the Russell Westbrook trade between the Wizards and Lakers is not official and could always expand to include multiple teams. Yet Dinwiddie now seems like the preferred point guard option in New Orleans, should Lowry indeed sign with Miami. For weeks, there has been a rumored two-year, $40 million offer league sources believe Oklahoma City is prepared to make Dinwiddie as well.
Seems like a ton of smoke around Fournier. He's a solid 4th or 5th starter but 4/80 seems like a lot to me, especially if Bullock will be like 3/30. I get that Fournier can initiate offense and the playoffs showed we need more guys who can do that, but not sure I think it would be worth that much more money.
but that doesnt make him good. He is a low % scoring PG who has maxed out at 6 assists a game and usually produces a not impressive 2/1 assist to turnover ratio. Just not sure what he brings that is a big upgrade to a team that he is worth 20 mill a year.
at the top of the market then they should just run it back with vets who are willing to take one year deals. If you're patient, you can can get guys 80%-90% as good as Fournier and Shroder for a lot less money.
Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.
He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..
But based on their behavior the past 2 seasons up to and including the draft where they maneuvered to save every nickel of cap space they could, what gives anyone the idea that this management team is gonna give Schroeder and Fournier 3 or 4 year big money deals? They clearly needed more shooters at the deadline but didn't panic and over pay for anyone. They loved shooters in the draft like Murphy but didn't panic and over pay to move up. Yet suddenly they're gonna panic and bust their nut on those 2 idiots?
Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.
NY Giants read his twitter, he was killing the Knicks, saying that all of this cap space can't lead to Denis Schroeder. He might have backed off of it on facebook live, but he was definitely showing some frustration.
He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..
reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham.
I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.
John Hollinger
@johnhollinger
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Update on my update: Could very well be Lonzo and Graham in double sign-and-trade, but *NOT* with Lonzo Ball going to Charlotte. Bulls remain very much in play for Ball. Could end up a very complex transaction if this happens.
if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch
RE: It doesn't seem like the Knicks think Lonzo is any good.
I think they just don't like the fit. Thibs likes point guards who can break defenders down and penetrate which Lonzo can't. 4 years at ~$20M per is a big investment for someone you're unsure of as a fit on your team.
if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch
if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch
I mentioned this yesterday i have a friend who used to work for the Celtics and he told me that the celtics feel Fournier is going to Knicks
is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.
is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.
This is how I feel. He's not a big name, exciting signing but he's a good player and would be a solid upgrade
If Fournier is the first move, the fan backlash is going to be so
don't like Schroder and yet I think if you like him 1 year is a bad move. the issue with 1-year deals for guys joining "non-contenders". They presumably are joining said team to inflate their own numbers. Schroder in particular seems like a prime candidate to do this. I'd pass completely. It really shouldn't be "hard" to find an upgrade given how bad the Knicks PG play was. A few more lobs to Mitch and Sims thanks
Is not what fans want to see, but the Knicks have all this caproom and no stars out there to sign. There is no way knicks fans will be happy this offseason unless we get Kawhi which still kind of stinks because he is going to be out for the year.
It’s either overpay in 1 year deals to kick the money to next year or overpay multi year deals for the like of Duncan Robinson, Evan Fournier and Schroeder. If Knicks get Schroeder and Fournier as there 2 big catches, I just don’t see them improving much over last year. I know these guys are solid players I just don’t see the point in locking in guys with the possibility to be a 4 or 5 seed at best. These contracts won’t be tradeable. Portland isn’t going to want Fournier at 4 years $100 million or Schroeder at 4 years $80 million. The goal is to win a championship not just be a 4 or 5 seed. If the Players aren’t there to get you that then kick the money to next year because the fans will be angry either way.
There will be no writer applauding the Knicks no matter which if the 2 approaches they take, so they should take the smart approach of not locking in average players to bad contracts.
says teams believe Fournier will get "around" 15 per.
that would be awesome
To be clear, Mannix is saying what he's hearing is Fournier will get around 15 per and that the Knicks were one of the teams in on him, he wasn't hearing the Knicks were signing Fournier for that number.
RE: It doesn't seem like the Knicks think Lonzo is any good.
is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.
Supposedly they were clearing room under tax and then they were told he wants to go to Knicms, so they pivoted and traded for Richardson
My working assumption is he was definitely going back to Miami but if he shakes free because they need the room or something I would be in on him for sure. Would certainly prefer him to Schroeder.
My working assumption is he was definitely going back to Miami but if he shakes free because they need the room or something I would be in on him for sure. Would certainly prefer him to Schroeder.
Hollinger says close to zero chance he remains with Miami due to their cap situation.
Keeping Kendrick Nunn, on the other hand, seems hugely unlikely. The Heat will be hard-capped on any sign-and-trade and, in any event, would go deep in the tax if it re-signed him at his market value and made the moves above. He is effectively an unrestricted free agent at this point.
honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.
At least root for Norm to leave Portland.
Norm Powell is better then Fournier.
Agreed but given that we have all this room and you just don't here any buzz there you have to feel there just isn't interest from one if not both ends.
Is a steal.
He is a great fit for the Knicks especially as a catch and shoot off Randle kicks.
It's an affordable deal that they could move if necessary down the road.
in Schroder. The Knicks are the only team you hear about wrt his free agency. That tells me that his agent is trying to generate interest and the Knicks have both a gaping hole at PG and a lot of money so it makes sense.
Sounds like him to washington is dead and there really hasnt been any buzz anywhere else
Sounds like he's New Orleans new target with Lowry headed to Miami. Call me crazy but I think they'd be better served matching a Lonzo offer sheet assuming the money is close.
sign me the fuck up for Marcus Smart. Think he's wildly underrated.
Same. Would be great with Thibs. Not looking for a big Frank debate but when people projected him to be "at worst" a Smart-type... I think that was a disservice to Smart.
The free agents who are out there. That being said if the trades strike out we are going to look pretty bad. Yes still talking to Cleveland, yes to Indiana and Charlotte all which I said prior to shit coming out. But it takes two. (That’s free agents not names (KL, CP, or Lowery). Just have to wait and see I guess. Smart is a Thibs guy (but can’t shoot). Who knows at this point.
Fournier contract should also include a comparison to what the lower end wings end up getting (Burks, Bullock, McDermott, Reddick etc.). He fills a need, but the need at PG is greater and should be the primary focus.
The free agents who are out there. That being said if the trades strike out we are going to look pretty bad. Yes still talking to Cleveland, yes to Indiana and Charlotte all which I said prior to shit coming out. But it takes two. (That’s free agents not names (KL, CP, or Lowery). Just have to wait and see I guess. Smart is a Thibs guy (but can’t shoot). Who knows at this point.
Smart's rep as a non-shooter is sort of overstated at this point. Over his last 3 seasons 35% from 3, 81% from the line. Is he a great shooter? No but he's not an offensive zero.
Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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I feel like I’ve done at least 3 Marcus Smart trade pieces over the last year. Suffice it to say, I’m here for this. Don’t see any reason why it can’t be a Bullock sign and trade.
he is a VERY good role player. I dont think he is more then that, but there is nothing wrong with that. Great defender, doesnt help our offense issues, but would allow for a more offensive minded PG option maybe. Also is a FA after this year so wouldnt hurt our capspace next offseason. Would 100% rather him then guys like schroeder, fournier, dinwiddie, etc.
the Knicks still need a legit point guard. Smart is a good rotation guy but more of a two. Knicks should not sign and trade Bullock unless they have a wing to replace him.
They are preserving cap space. Even something that seems small like the draft picks helps. They go big game hunting. If they get a target then great. If not, then they go for short term deals to preserve their cap space for next offseason with maybe one 3 year deal around 20 mil per.
in Schroder. The Knicks are the only team you hear about wrt his free agency. That tells me that his agent is trying to generate interest and the Knicks have both a gaping hole at PG and a lot of money so it makes sense.
Same goes for Fournier, maybe even more so. We know Boston wants to resign him and they're having talks. What better way to get them to up their offer than them thinking the team with the most cap space is hot after his your services.
plan A or maybe even B would be Schroder. He thinks they're more interested in Lowry, Paul and Dinwiddie but if they strike out with the guys higher on their list maybe they turn there.
Also reaffirmed interest in DeRozan on a 1 or 2 year deal.
plan A or maybe even B would be Schroder. He thinks they're more interested in Lowry, Paul and Dinwiddie but if they strike out with the guys higher on their list maybe they turn there.
Also reaffirmed interest in DeRozan on a 1 or 2 year deal.
If the market has cooled on Dinwiddie I'd swoop in there for sure.
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
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23s
Knicks may wind up with second tier choices but still hearing they will be in play for Chris Paul if he is not satisfied with Phoenix offer. While Lowry rumors abound with Miami - Knicks can unite him with DeRozan if that's a path he wants.
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
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23s
Knicks may wind up with second tier choices but still hearing they will be in play for Chris Paul if he is not satisfied with Phoenix offer. While Lowry rumors abound with Miami - Knicks can unite him with DeRozan if that's a path he wants.
Amick said he couldn't find anybody who thought Paul was looking to leave the Suns as he's close with Williams and James Jones and wants to be on the West Coast.
"The other superstar free agent, Phoenix’s Chris Paul, is widely expected to return to the Suns after earlier chatter that the Pelicans would be in hot pursuit. That talk seems to have faded, likely because Phoenix stepped up with a more serious package. (I’ve heard the initial offer was rather underwhelming; the Suns were allowed to negotiate directly with Paul since he was under contract and has a player option.).
Paul declined his $44 million player option and instead would seem to be signing a new deal in Phoenix; nobody will be surprised if the total package nears or exceeds $100 million. Note also that the Suns are the one team that can pay Paul over four years rather than three, due to the league’s over-38 rule."
and if they lowball Paul things can change in a hurry. I'm sure the Knicks know where he's at though given how close Paul and Rose are. So I'm sure if it's not a remote possibility they won't waste time on it.
do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.
RE: Really no consensus on where Derozan is headed
do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.
Begley did say any moves for a vet pg or DeRozan the Knicks make in FA are likely to be 1 or 2 year deals.
to see why this would happen here vs. Miami. Lowry is supposedly headed to Miami because he and Butler are so close, why would he pick NY over that? Doesn't make sense.
"Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
The #Heat really like the idea of reuniting Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan (MLE) according to league sources - with one saying a S-T (Dragic) is the preferable choice to acquire Lowry. Both Kyle and DeMar have maintained a great friendship since playing together w/the #Raptors."
do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.
Begley did say any moves for a vet pg or DeRozan the Knicks make in FA are likely to be 1 or 2 year deals.
Not really sure why DeRozan would want a 1-2 year deal at 32 years old to join a non-contender. "Everybody" will be willing to give him short years.
RE: Because in NY DeRozan wouldn't have to take the MLE
why would he take the MLE to play with a buddy while at the sometime, the buddy gets a max? Makes no sense. If they really want to play together, they can get their dough and play together on the Knicks.
Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
RE: RE: RE: Because the Knicks can pay him real money on a
Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
He's 32 this week. Lowry is expected to get 3 for 90 from Miami via sign and trade, how are the Knicks more appealing?
Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
He's 32 this week. Lowry is expected to get 3 for 90 from Miami via sign and trade, how are the Knicks more appealing?
I'm talking about DeRozan. He's not taking the MLE if he has other offers after his buddy gets 3x that. I'd bet a lot of money on that. Miami isn't LA or Brooklyn. It's not ring-chasing.
will play with the Knicks in summer league but will not exercise his buyout and will play 2022 in Spain per Berman. Presumably, he and the Knicks came to an agreement on what he should do.
will play with the Knicks in summer league but will not exercise his buyout and will play 2022 in Spain per Berman. Presumably, he and the Knicks came to an agreement on what he should do.
I think this is smart. A couple years at Barca probably helps everyone.
Fool me once. I understand he finally had one good year for the first time in 8 years, but this would be the 3rd time we're acquiring him and the first 2 times did not go well. Part of me gets the feeling if his name wasn't Tim Hardaway Jr. we wouldn't be talking about giving him another chance at $22M per year after just one good year of shooting.
DeRozan still rates as a minus defender, needs 3-point shooting around him to thrive and turns 32 in early August. As a result, I’d expect to sign for two years and $30-35 million or so. But the question is where, exactly — especially since it might not make sense for the rebuilding Spurs to bring him back. Could the Knicks be a fit if they lose Alec Burks? Could Dallas turn to him if it misses out on its more prominent targets? Could we (gasp) get a second act in Toronto?
i mean 18 mill in the NBA isnt really that high...
but it does still feel like more then i want to pay Fournier. If its 3/54 i can live with it. We are a better team with him. Still weird that we are interested in him now, but didnt trade for him at the deadline.
Keeping it at 3 years would really change my view - 3/54 vs. 4/72 is a big difference.
In thinking about PG options, I wonder if there is a trade out there that hasn't been sniffed out that makes sense. One of the Spurs guys? Dragic? None of the PG options really seem sensible to me so I feel like there must be something else out there.
but I'd have to see what some of the other contracts come in at. I will say that we basically signind Hardaway to almost that same number 4 years ago, lol. Fucking Mills...
according to haybes they may make an agressive offer to Graham..
also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
Collecting assets seems to be what they do. They're in no position to actually compete, why would they be looking to add an expensive PG like Dinwiddie.
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
“Otto Porter Jr. and Rudy Gay are two players the [Utah] Jazz hold interest in,” wrote Tony Jones of The Athletic. “But those names also come with caveats. Gay is thought to be leaning toward the Los Angeles Lakers. Porter is thought to be leaning to the Brooklyn Nets. In free agency, anything can happen.”
Drafting Mitchell was a huge head scratcher especially with Fox around. Would they be open to trading Fox at all? Really confused as to what they are trying to do there.
Justin Patton is still only 24 years old and “recently” went 16th overall. Not saying he’s anything but not a bad option to get a look at in summer ball #Knicks
RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
he isnt special, but he is solid. ANd id assume will either be cheap or a 1 year deal. Id much rather sign him to 1/15 then sign schroeder thats for sure. I know we arent going to get all excited about adding a couple late first round guys and then Jackson/Fournier, but we would be improving. If we did go with a Jackson type id really like to bring Rose back.
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
He's a small forward. He'd mostly take Bullock's minutes. The Knicks need guys who can score down the stretch of close games. When Randle wasn't hot, they struggled because RJ is not that guy yet. Derozan is definitely that guy. He wouldn't help with spacing. But he could play a big role as basically the primary ball handler and lessen the need for a big time PG.
I'm not married to the idea of signing Derozan - he will be expensive and does have some limitations to his game - but I do see a fit.
if you are bringing in Derozen you have to be 150%
sure that RJ's shooting wasnt a mirage. Im not saying i think it is but if he reverts back to a 32% 3pt guy and you are playing him and Derozen 36 minutes a game together that could be ugly. DErozen is a much better NBA player then Fournier, but fournier is the much better fit for us.
Barrett won't blow people away as a one on one defender at the 2, but he would help the team defense with his long arms, and of course he would be a better rebounder than most 2's. His ability to get 3's for himself, as opposed to only catch and shoot, will improve, and with his still-growing strength, he will beat up on most 2s.
Putting Fournier at the 3 works nicely, especially if they can keep either Bullock or Burks for the back-up big 2/3. The smaller backup 2 is Quickley, of course, so there is a bigger need at backup 3.
With the Suns likely to make Chris Paul a three-year, $90-plus million offer that will keep him in Phoenix, the Knicks may be in line to snare his backup – young lefty free agent Cam Payne.
The Knicks have considered a no-frills point-guard scenario with Payne and Derrick Rose splitting minutes in 2021-22.
Signing Payne would leave the Knicks room to sign two other players of note, potentially wing scorer Evan Fournier and Kelly Oubre Jr., and perhaps make an attempt to bring back center Nerlens Noel.
What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
IQ will almost certainly start. Guessing him and Grimes are the starting backcourt. IQ is probably playing in summer league so he can work on his point guard skills.
I'd be pleased if the Knicks came out of this FA period with DeRozen, Payne and Rose and some flexibility for the future. The Payne and Rose thing was reported by Berman, so I'm skeptical.
eh, gotta see the numbers but hopefully it's not a big commitment. He's a stopgap at best, right? Maybe he comes here to try and build his value on a short term deal so that he can really cash in in a year or two - assuming he plays well.
this says to me is Fournier at 3 for 18 is a fair deal
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League sources expect the price on Duncan Robinson to land in the $18 million a year range, @johnhollinger
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“The Heat will likely match offers on the restricted free agent at this price point.”
Fool me once. I understand he finally had one good year for the first time in 8 years, but this would be the 3rd time we're acquiring him and the first 2 times did not go well. Part of me gets the feeling if his name wasn't Tim Hardaway Jr. we wouldn't be talking about giving him another chance at $22M per year after just one good year of shooting.
I have use for Hardaway here again but both instances were fine, the Knicks just panicked and treated his contract like it was a leper. They didn't have to move him, we know that now. He's a serviceable wing. He's also quite likely going to get a similar contract. Not here, but things weren't bad here at all.
Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense
That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Everyone plays D under Thibs. OR I should say, the team plays D under Thibs. Knicks didn't have more than 1 big time defender on the floor at any given time last season yet they still killed the league on D.
and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
Payne, Fournier, Quickly, Grimes, McBride is a major backcourt upgrade
Hollinger has Dinwiddie the #6 available PG, Caruso 8, Nunn 9, Schroder 10, Rose 11, Jackson 12, Payne 20 but a fair caveat
"20. Cameron Payne, Suns: $3,932,484
Since this rating tracks multiple years, it may be weighing Cameron Payne’s previous failures too heavily. Certainly his 2020-21 warrants a steeper payday: He shot 44.0 percent from 3 in 2020-21 with a 17.4 PER, and while he’s had some ups and downs in the postseason, he had a 29-point, 9-assist Game 2 of the Western Conference finals. Similar to the Clippers’ situation with Reggie Jackson, the Suns have early Bird rights on Payne and can pay him up to the 120 percent of the league average salary, which should be about $11 million. That shouldn’t be a problem in this case, as Payne’s projected salary figures to come in lower than that. I suspect he’ll have considerable interest at or near the midlevel exception, and that the Suns would be pretty motivated to bring him back for another run at the ring."
The youngest player on the free-agent market, the 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker has the sharks circling because the Lakers may be unwilling to match an expensive offer sheet for him. There are two reasons this is possible: First, the luxury-tax implications could get severe if the Lakers also bring back Dennis Schröder and Alex Caruso and Montrezl Harrell opts in to his $9.7 million deal.
Second, the Lakers’ alternate pathway of using sign-and-trades or the full midlevel exception is already complicated given how hard it will be for them to stay below the luxury-tax apron. That effort becomes virtually impossible if a significant salary for Horton-Tucker is also part of their payroll.
Because Horton-Tucker was a rookie on a two-year deal, he is subject to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas” rule — teams can only offer him the full MLE for the first two years of an offer sheet, which should be about $10 million a year. However, it can rise all the way up to the max in years 3 and 4; this has actually happened, with Miami matching a Brooklyn offer sheet on Tyler Johnson for the entire Arenas-rule max in 2016.
Forking out that much for Horton-Tucker would likely be regrettable, but he’d be a good get at more reasonable price points. Given L.A.’s other constraints and the Lakers’ current timeline, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him as part of a sign-and-trade that brings back another win-now piece.
Where does Talen Horton-Tucker fit into L.A.’s plans? (Mark J. Rebilas / USA Today)
Fournier would be a solid pick up. He's a better shooter than anyone on last season's roster, by a lot. He isn't going to drive it to the hoop and he needs to be hidden on defense, but he's really good as a complimentary piece.
Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually.
god only 2 hours left. I've been refreshing twitter all day and it's mostly just blue balls.
Yup and my mother in law is staying at our house tonight, means i can sneak downstairs and out Knicks fan tv on the ipad, olympics on tv and refresh twitter on my phonr all night lol
Are these Noel and Burks rumors true? Are we basically going to have the same team as last year plus Fournier? What’s the point of locking these guys in for 3 years? The team isn’t going to be even close to contending for a championship for 4 or 5 years if they are locking in these guys on 3 year deals.
saying ajr is wrong but the way Fischer phrased it, it's going to be pretty weird/bad look if he's wrong (Fischer that is)
Doesn't sound like he's implying it's a rumor vs. news.
"Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually. "
Are these Noel and Burks rumors true? Are we basically going to have the same team as last year plus Fournier? What’s the point of locking these guys in for 3 years? The team isn’t going to be even close to contending for a championship for 4 or 5 years if they are locking in these guys on 3 year deals.
As far as I know there’s no shot either would be back on longer than a one year deal at that price. Would go against the whole plan of preserving cap space unless there’s a definite upgrade. I could be wrong.
Then these would be awful signings for a team that is looking to improve to be come a contender over the next few years. You don’t eat up cap space on these guys for more than 1 year. This is the issue with thibs, he thinks he can win a championship with average talent, it doesn’t work. I really hope Fischer is wrong or every year after the first is non guranteed
I refused to believe that Phil would give Joakim Noah all of that money.
Oh man, when those rumblings started I figured one-year deal - vet mentor for KP and Hernangomez or something. But no, four fully guaranteed years that are still hurting us.
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Agree completely on Fournier. He's a good player, who I'd like them to sign but his upside is capped and a 4th year player option puts all of the risk on the Knicks. He's not an essential piece.
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
if that is overpaid then the knicks might have an issues getting players signed, haha.
I dont know how i feel bout dinwiddie. I mean if you pair him with a shooter like fournier i guess im ok with it. But again thats gonna be prolly near 40 mill a year for dinwiddie and fournier, just not sure how i feel bout that, ha.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
because he was playing with Lebron and then Zion and those guys were both given the keys as point forwards? I thought Lonzo was more of a natural ball-handling pass-first PG who could score back in college? I thought that was the whole point of why people think he could be a steal, because he's been playing roles on the Lakers and Pelicans that aren't best suited for his game. IDK. That's just what I heard. I didn't watch a ton of Lonzo in college.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
yeah but you still need guards who can put pressure on the opposing defense. And they have to replace Bledsoe's minutes (nobody played more than him for NO last year).
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
They locked in the players that they had and gave them raises, basically bringing back the same team with one exception. They gave them all multiyear deals, so next year they won't have the cap space that they had this year.
Reggie Bullock was efficient from 3 as well.
I'm just telling you how I feel these free agent signings. If you want to stan and be happy about bringing back the same team, that's fine. I just wanted clear upgrades and other than one exception, they haven't done that at all.
If you want to build through the draft, then you have to lean on/wait
Whatever RJ Barrett becomes is the way this team gets better. We're comparing an 18ppg scorer to a 10ppg scoring. One's a backup and one's a bonafide NBA starter.
Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA. Keeping some kind of rim protection was critical to playing Thibs' defense.
You might be one of the only people left who thinks they're paying Mitch. I certainly don't. They'd move him in an instant for a piece they need. I think they just drafted his replacement.
Bullock was good for the Knicks last year, but you they are different players offensively. Bullock is a spot up shooter, where Fournier can get and make shots from all over the court.
Bullock is a better defender though. Really love how he embraced that role last year.
some of you are WAYYYY too obsessed or scared of these contracts. Not every deal is Noah redux or Stat redux or whatever.
Most deals can be traded. As long as the player isn't close to dead or unable to play, they CAN and will be traded.
Some of you are scarred. The Knicks are well coached and the roster is populated with not one single max deal and every player here is either underpaid (Randle) or paid as they should be paid, on 3 year deals. Noel or Burks cannot be traded? Since when? They are making peanuts compared to most NBA vets and both earned a well earned rep as a solid pros.
Not every contract is a death knell. Especially now when the team is well coached. Players aren't running the asylum here anymore.
Knicks couldn't do anything else. You cannot force a player to come here and you cannot just NOT pay vets. Knicks need to field a team that can play. Noel and Burks earned their money and round out the rotation.
Couldn't do much else and this doesn't change the future. Still have a flexible roster and kept the kids. It wasn't fun or exciting, but it's not bad either.
As for Frenchie...we will always have...some nice games here & there.
I would want no part of Kawhi right now with his injury and age.
Possible? Yes. But none of those guys are coming to NY.
Likely shopping in the next tier for pg (Dinwiddie, Schroeder, Graham) and Wing (Fournier, Oubre, Powell)
I the the number I saw last was approximately $56 mil but I am not sure if that number includes moving Knox.
according to Macri
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The Myles Turner rumor came from a Pacers beat writer
I'd probably sign up for that if you can also move Mitch, otherwise it's just poor roster management.
Fournier at 3 years, 51 mil
IQ, Mitch, Knox, 5 1sts for Lillard
Turner
Randle
RJ
Fournier
Lillard
That's a pretty darn good team.
Fournier at 3 years, 51 mil
IQ, Mitch, Knox, 5 1sts for Lillard
Turner
Randle
RJ
Fournier
Lillard
That's a pretty darn good team.
I'd rather bring back Rose and Bullock than sign Fournier. But Turner and Lillard would be awesome.
That would be interesting. Much better than either Bullock or Fournier. Wonder if he could be had for 20 per.
My prediction is the Knicks sign Fournier and Schroeder and bring back Bullock and Rose.
I don't believe he's the same or better defender, and he's another guy that seems afraid to shoot.
Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
Grimes will make you forget about Bullock
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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
Let's hope MM is a hell of lot better than FN, a bottom of the barrel NBA player. I get a Derek Fisher vibe out of MM (competitive as hell, bulldog type who may be better off ball than as a lead guard).
I just don't think the Heat let him walk.
Meh. He's fine, better than Elf, sure, but I'm not excited about giving up assets for him.
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How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?
Meh. He's fine, better than Elf, sure, but I'm not excited about giving up assets for him.
you wouldnt have to, they would give you an asset for helping them out
Duncan is more of a taller Redick, he is going to run off screens, trae young is not going to be able to just sit in a corner and guard him...Robinson is not just a spot up shooter..
It would be impossible to double team Randle on the block and he would necessitate constant attention.
Robinson is far superior to Bullock, however, no way Miami let’s him go.
Any idea what'd be going back?
Schroeder - 4y, $18mm per
Fournier - 3y, $20mm per
Mitch Robinson + a first rounder for Myles Turner
I had hoped for something like:
Obi + a first rounder for Collin Sexton
Norman Powell 3y, $20mm per
Richaun Holmes 3y, $8mm
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It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame
Any idea what'd be going back?
Mitch but unsure of what else. Not close to being done just covering their bases in case they strike out with their top targets
i do to but Schroeder, Fournier, Rj, Randle, Mitch wouldnt be half bad..
Fill in the bench with the rooks and a couple more vets
I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.
At least root for Norm to leave Portland.
I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.
Yeah i dont want Schroeder either, rather Dinwiddie or even Dragic on a 1 year deal..
Either Schroeders agent is using the Knicks to prop him up or the Knicks plan on signing him, a lot of smoke
At least root for Norm to leave Portland.
Powell is a warrior. Perfect target. And I like your outside of the box thinking as well.
Schroeder and Dinwiddie are delusional to me
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you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league.
Nope
Far fewer open looks, also Duncan made more per game. They're similar players.
They are similar types, yes.
I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point.
I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.
I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point.
I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.
This is basically how I feel too.
If you gave each guy 2 year 40 mil contracts with a team option in year 2 I'd be fine with that. But locking either up long term seems like an iffy call.
Id rather wait on guys like the above and see if they arent getting what they thought they would. Then maybe you can swoop in with a huge 1 year deal. Like if fournier is getting 4/50 type offers maybe he signs for 1/25 or something. Sure its an overpay, but 1 year.
I don't love Schroeder, but compared to Payton, he is Bob Cousy.
From French to German
Its funny i almost dont want the Knicks to sign anyone today. Today is the day we are going to see the absurd contracts to the avg players. If Kawhi wants to sign, go for it, lol, but otherwise just sit today out.
If they can't get someone big, I predict another series of one year deals or deals with team options and kicking the can down the road for one more offseason.
There is legitimately very little cap space this offseason.
Knicks - 54 million
Spurs - 48 million
Mavs - 35 million
OKC - 30 million
Raptors - 23 million.
Think of all the people that are talking about getting 20 million dollars a season or more:
Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley
Lonzo Ball
Duncan Robinson
Dennis Shroeder
John Collins
DeMar DeRozan
Norman Powell
Spencer Dinwiddie
Lauri Markkanen
Evan Fournier
That's a LOT of players for little cap space. I think that some players will end up taking less or shorter deals. They'll have to unless they want to chase rings with the Lakers for the vet minimum.
I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense
Just stay the course. Now isnt the time to overpay middling guys. There will be good value in like 2 days when the teams who do have space overpay everyone.
I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense
If they did sign Schroeder my guess is it would be because he can't find a longer term deal and is the best PG available willing to take a 1+1 type deal. He's a solid player, not worth $4/80 but on a one year deal they could do worse. I think the narrative surrounded him has swung too far towards him stinking.
DeRozan now appears headed for his own significant payday. It’s believed both the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers saw DeRozan as amenable to coming home and chasing a championship in his native city at the taxpayer mid-level exception that would net roughly $5.9 million. That no longer seems to be the case.
Lowry’s former running mate was said to have strong interest from New York, Detroit and Dallas, sources told B/R.
There are still scenarios where Dinwiddie could sign with Washington, because the Russell Westbrook trade between the Wizards and Lakers is not official and could always expand to include multiple teams. Yet Dinwiddie now seems like the preferred point guard option in New Orleans, should Lowry indeed sign with Miami. For weeks, there has been a rumored two-year, $40 million offer league sources believe Oklahoma City is prepared to make Dinwiddie as well.
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He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..
I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.
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Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.
NY Giants read his twitter, he was killing the Knicks, saying that all of this cap space can't lead to Denis Schroeder. He might have backed off of it on facebook live, but he was definitely showing some frustration.
He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..
I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.
Awful for Charlotte if true
I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.
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Update on my update: Could very well be Lonzo and Graham in double sign-and-trade, but *NOT* with Lonzo Ball going to Charlotte. Bulls remain very much in play for Ball. Could end up a very complex transaction if this happens.
I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.
He's updated that. He hears its Ball to Chicago and Graham to New Orleans in a multi-team deal.
He is not a fit for what Thibs likes at Point..
I think they just don't like the fit. Thibs likes point guards who can break defenders down and penetrate which Lonzo can't. 4 years at ~$20M per is a big investment for someone you're unsure of as a fit on your team.
"Big Offer to Fournier" is scary.
Like the idea of extending Mitch.
I mentioned this yesterday i have a friend who used to work for the Celtics and he told me that the celtics feel Fournier is going to Knicks
This is how I feel. He's not a big name, exciting signing but he's a good player and would be a solid upgrade
Deja vu to when the Giants first FA move was John Ross
lol Smart not Banks. Sorry brain fart.
It’s either overpay in 1 year deals to kick the money to next year or overpay multi year deals for the like of Duncan Robinson, Evan Fournier and Schroeder. If Knicks get Schroeder and Fournier as there 2 big catches, I just don’t see them improving much over last year. I know these guys are solid players I just don’t see the point in locking in guys with the possibility to be a 4 or 5 seed at best. These contracts won’t be tradeable. Portland isn’t going to want Fournier at 4 years $100 million or Schroeder at 4 years $80 million. The goal is to win a championship not just be a 4 or 5 seed. If the Players aren’t there to get you that then kick the money to next year because the fans will be angry either way.
There will be no writer applauding the Knicks no matter which if the 2 approaches they take, so they should take the smart approach of not locking in average players to bad contracts.
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lol Smart not Banks. Sorry brain fart.
Smart was part of the Knicks plan B with Turner if they struck out fwiw
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says teams believe Fournier will get "around" 15 per.
that would be awesome
To be clear, Mannix is saying what he's hearing is Fournier will get around 15 per and that the Knicks were one of the teams in on him, he wasn't hearing the Knicks were signing Fournier for that number.
if we sign him we still have a huge gaping hole at lead guard. He's not that type of player.
Supposedly they were clearing room under tax and then they were told he wants to go to Knicms, so they pivoted and traded for Richardson
In a heart beat. I just can't see the Celts trading him to us.
Defensively he will at least compete, is he locking down guys? no but this team desoeretly needs offense
At least root for Norm to leave Portland.
Norm Powell is better then Fournier.
I don't think he's very good. He's certainly not a PG.
I'm interested in Nunn. Haven't heard a peep about the Knicks interest though since Begley mentioned him a ways back.
Hollinger says close to zero chance he remains with Miami due to their cap situation.
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honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.
At least root for Norm to leave Portland.
Norm Powell is better then Fournier.
Agreed but given that we have all this room and you just don't here any buzz there you have to feel there just isn't interest from one if not both ends.
He is a great fit for the Knicks especially as a catch and shoot off Randle kicks.
It's an affordable deal that they could move if necessary down the road.
Almost twice as many assists, and he's just better off the dribble than Norm which was a huge gap last year.
Well that's interesting. I'd prefer him to Schroder for sure if the money is even close to even.
Sounds like he's New Orleans new target with Lowry headed to Miami. Call me crazy but I think they'd be better served matching a Lonzo offer sheet assuming the money is close.
I agree with this. He made 17 last year. He's going to beat that.
Same. Would be great with Thibs. Not looking for a big Frank debate but when people projected him to be "at worst" a Smart-type... I think that was a disservice to Smart.
Smart's rep as a non-shooter is sort of overstated at this point. Over his last 3 seasons 35% from 3, 81% from the line. Is he a great shooter? No but he's not an offensive zero.
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I feel like I’ve done at least 3 Marcus Smart trade pieces over the last year. Suffice it to say, I’m here for this. Don’t see any reason why it can’t be a Bullock sign and trade.
DeRozan expected to chase the money vs. taking less to go home
All of that from Jake Fischer
with still enough pieces to go star chasing.
Hell no, just on principle.
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Hardaway Jr. rumored to be wanting to sign somewhere other than Dallas. Round 3? lol
Hell no, just on principle.
lol same feeling
my take as well.
Same goes for Fournier, maybe even more so. We know Boston wants to resign him and they're having talks. What better way to get them to up their offer than them thinking the team with the most cap space is hot after his your services.
Yeah that's just 30 mil out of the 53 we have. We'd have a ton of space left.
if you sent out nothing salary wise in a trade for smart you would still have 21 million in space so yes could bring back Rose
Also reaffirmed interest in DeRozan on a 1 or 2 year deal.
Yes, depending on what Fournier gets they'd have about $20-25M or so in remaining space.
Also reaffirmed interest in DeRozan on a 1 or 2 year deal.
If the market has cooled on Dinwiddie I'd swoop in there for sure.
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Knicks may wind up with second tier choices but still hearing they will be in play for Chris Paul if he is not satisfied with Phoenix offer. While Lowry rumors abound with Miami - Knicks can unite him with DeRozan if that's a path he wants.
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I think Mitch and RJ are super important. If they both take big steps forward this year, we could be a sleeper.
@StevePopper
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Knicks may wind up with second tier choices but still hearing they will be in play for Chris Paul if he is not satisfied with Phoenix offer. While Lowry rumors abound with Miami - Knicks can unite him with DeRozan if that's a path he wants.
Amick said he couldn't find anybody who thought Paul was looking to leave the Suns as he's close with Williams and James Jones and wants to be on the West Coast.
"The other superstar free agent, Phoenix’s Chris Paul, is widely expected to return to the Suns after earlier chatter that the Pelicans would be in hot pursuit. That talk seems to have faded, likely because Phoenix stepped up with a more serious package. (I’ve heard the initial offer was rather underwhelming; the Suns were allowed to negotiate directly with Paul since he was under contract and has a player option.).
Paul declined his $44 million player option and instead would seem to be signing a new deal in Phoenix; nobody will be surprised if the total package nears or exceeds $100 million. Note also that the Suns are the one team that can pay Paul over four years rather than three, due to the league’s over-38 rule."
Talk of Miami but they dont really have the money for both Lowry and Derozan..
Cant see Derozan in OKC
Talk of Miami but they dont really have the money for both Lowry and Derozan..
Cant see Derozan in OKC
Gun to my head, I think he goes to a team without cap space in a sign and trade.
Begley did say any moves for a vet pg or DeRozan the Knicks make in FA are likely to be 1 or 2 year deals.
"Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
The #Heat really like the idea of reuniting Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan (MLE) according to league sources - with one saying a S-T (Dragic) is the preferable choice to acquire Lowry. Both Kyle and DeMar have maintained a great friendship since playing together w/the #Raptors."
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do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.
Begley did say any moves for a vet pg or DeRozan the Knicks make in FA are likely to be 1 or 2 year deals.
Not really sure why DeRozan would want a 1-2 year deal at 32 years old to join a non-contender. "Everybody" will be willing to give him short years.
What's in it for Lowry vs. Miami? The Knicks are not as good as Miami and the Knicks don't have his close friend Jimmy Butler.
Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
He was our best player in the playoffs. He's the spark plug we need off the bench. Plus, he'll mentor all those young guards.
I never really considered this as a possibility. Think there's a chance.
Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
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Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
He's 32 this week. Lowry is expected to get 3 for 90 from Miami via sign and trade, how are the Knicks more appealing?
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Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
He's 32 this week. Lowry is expected to get 3 for 90 from Miami via sign and trade, how are the Knicks more appealing?
I'm talking about DeRozan. He's not taking the MLE if he has other offers after his buddy gets 3x that. I'd bet a lot of money on that. Miami isn't LA or Brooklyn. It's not ring-chasing.
I think this is smart. A couple years at Barca probably helps everyone.
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Former Florida State standout M.J. Walker will sign an Exhibit 10 contract with the #Knicks, per source.
Hope it's a 1+1 player option but that's probably wishful thinking.
My dream is dead. Oh well. Good for Curry - he should be a lifelong Warrior at this point.
That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Don't love it. Assuming he plays the 3 and Barrett sticks at the 2?
You are getting an effecient 18ppg player, immediately improves the offense which was much needed
In thinking about PG options, I wonder if there is a trade out there that hasn't been sniffed out that makes sense. One of the Spurs guys? Dragic? None of the PG options really seem sensible to me so I feel like there must be something else out there.
Unkess Derozan at point?
Another Kentucky guy as well and the Knicks desperately need a playmaking point guard. Not sure what it would take - a pick or two, Toppin, Knox.
Thoughts? Not sure who else is out there on the trade market but I think Fox can be had based on the positional depth of the Kings.
also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
Collecting assets seems to be what they do. They're in no position to actually compete, why would they be looking to add an expensive PG like Dinwiddie.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.
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Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.
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Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more
I wouldn’t sit around this week waiting for an SGA trade.
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
Derozan is a power forward?
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
He's a small forward. He'd mostly take Bullock's minutes. The Knicks need guys who can score down the stretch of close games. When Randle wasn't hot, they struggled because RJ is not that guy yet. Derozan is definitely that guy. He wouldn't help with spacing. But he could play a big role as basically the primary ball handler and lessen the need for a big time PG.
I'm not married to the idea of signing Derozan - he will be expensive and does have some limitations to his game - but I do see a fit.
Putting Fournier at the 3 works nicely, especially if they can keep either Bullock or Burks for the back-up big 2/3. The smaller backup 2 is Quickley, of course, so there is a bigger need at backup 3.
@IanBegley
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Regarding Kevin Knox II, Knox informed the Knicks that he wanted to play in Summer League, per sources.
Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.
The Knicks have considered a no-frills point-guard scenario with Payne and Derrick Rose splitting minutes in 2021-22.
Does he prevent us from getting Lillard or Kawhai if they shake free?
I like Cam Payne for this team.
Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.
He'll still be 2 years younger than Duarte in SL.
Berman has pushed oubre all offseason, he has to stick to that..
What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
Keeps flexibility to add more and Payne is entering his prime.
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What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
IQ will almost certainly start. Guessing him and Grimes are the starting backcourt. IQ is probably playing in summer league so he can work on his point guard skills.
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I'm gonna guess 3 years 30 mil.
Nice, thanks for the info. Knicks continuing their streak of not making boneheaded moves (assuming Payne means no Schroder).
eh, gotta see the numbers but hopefully it's not a big commitment. He's a stopgap at best, right? Maybe he comes here to try and build his value on a short term deal so that he can really cash in in a year or two - assuming he plays well.
The Athletic NBA
@TheAthleticNBA
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League sources expect the price on Duncan Robinson to land in the $18 million a year range, @johnhollinger
writes.
“The Heat will likely match offers on the restricted free agent at this price point.”
I have use for Hardaway here again but both instances were fine, the Knicks just panicked and treated his contract like it was a leper. They didn't have to move him, we know that now. He's a serviceable wing. He's also quite likely going to get a similar contract. Not here, but things weren't bad here at all.
Yeah, as long as the deals are not super long, both of those guys are contributors that can be moved pretty easily, I'd think.
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense
That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Everyone plays D under Thibs. OR I should say, the team plays D under Thibs. Knicks didn't have more than 1 big time defender on the floor at any given time last season yet they still killed the league on D.
No thanks
Not a bad deal for a former 2nd round pick who still can't shoot a lick 7 years in.
Once it's 6:01pm I'd expect Woj and other insiders to have rapid fire tweets/reports of deals that will make our heads spin.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
Payne, Fournier, Quickly, Grimes, McBride is a major backcourt upgrade
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range
I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
I'd much rather sign Payne at half that number on a 1-2 year deal personally
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range
I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
Me too. Really like Dinwiddie.
"20. Cameron Payne, Suns: $3,932,484
Since this rating tracks multiple years, it may be weighing Cameron Payne’s previous failures too heavily. Certainly his 2020-21 warrants a steeper payday: He shot 44.0 percent from 3 in 2020-21 with a 17.4 PER, and while he’s had some ups and downs in the postseason, he had a 29-point, 9-assist Game 2 of the Western Conference finals. Similar to the Clippers’ situation with Reggie Jackson, the Suns have early Bird rights on Payne and can pay him up to the 120 percent of the league average salary, which should be about $11 million. That shouldn’t be a problem in this case, as Payne’s projected salary figures to come in lower than that. I suspect he’ll have considerable interest at or near the midlevel exception, and that the Suns would be pretty motivated to bring him back for another run at the ring."
Interesting note
14. Talen Horton-Tucker, Lakers (restricted): $5,310,035
The youngest player on the free-agent market, the 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker has the sharks circling because the Lakers may be unwilling to match an expensive offer sheet for him. There are two reasons this is possible: First, the luxury-tax implications could get severe if the Lakers also bring back Dennis Schröder and Alex Caruso and Montrezl Harrell opts in to his $9.7 million deal.
Second, the Lakers’ alternate pathway of using sign-and-trades or the full midlevel exception is already complicated given how hard it will be for them to stay below the luxury-tax apron. That effort becomes virtually impossible if a significant salary for Horton-Tucker is also part of their payroll.
Because Horton-Tucker was a rookie on a two-year deal, he is subject to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas” rule — teams can only offer him the full MLE for the first two years of an offer sheet, which should be about $10 million a year. However, it can rise all the way up to the max in years 3 and 4; this has actually happened, with Miami matching a Brooklyn offer sheet on Tyler Johnson for the entire Arenas-rule max in 2016.
Forking out that much for Horton-Tucker would likely be regrettable, but he’d be a good get at more reasonable price points. Given L.A.’s other constraints and the Lakers’ current timeline, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him as part of a sign-and-trade that brings back another win-now piece.
Where does Talen Horton-Tucker fit into L.A.’s plans? (Mark J. Rebilas / USA Today)
@TheNBACentral
Potential 3 team deal being discussed:
Lonzo Ball -> Chicago
Lauri Markkanen -> Charlotte
Devonte Graham -> New Orleans
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Cam Payne expected to stay with the Suns
All of this per Jake Fischer
Cam Payne is expected to return to Phoenix in the ballpark of $6 million per year.
Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel
Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel
He said Schroder was the "best fit" didn't sound like a rumor vs. his opinion but...
Is the +1 a team or player option?
Someone please tel me Noel for $10 million plus is to someone other than the Knicks. If Noel gets $10 million what is Mitch going to get?
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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million
Is the +1 a team or player option?
Unsure
For the Knicks?
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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million
For the Knicks?
Yea, that’s their offer. Not done yet.
Yup and my mother in law is staying at our house tonight, means i can sneak downstairs and out Knicks fan tv on the ipad, olympics on tv and refresh twitter on my phonr all night lol
Doesn't sound like he's implying it's a rumor vs. news.
"Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually. "
Now if true and Noel gets 10 million, you resigning mitch 12 to 15?
Now if true and Noel gets 10 million, you resigning mitch 12 to 15?
Depends, is Noel a 1 year deal? If not, then I'd assume Mitch will be trade bait.
As far as I know there’s no shot either would be back on longer than a one year deal at that price. Would go against the whole plan of preserving cap space unless there’s a definite upgrade. I could be wrong.
In fact, I still don’t think that actually happened.
Oh man, when those rumblings started I figured one-year deal - vet mentor for KP and Hernangomez or something. But no, four fully guaranteed years that are still hurting us.
Noel i could go either way if he leaves fine, if he stays fine
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.
The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
Agree completely on Fournier. He's a good player, who I'd like them to sign but his upside is capped and a 4th year player option puts all of the risk on the Knicks. He's not an essential piece.
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
@NYPost_Berman
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Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
I dont know how i feel bout dinwiddie. I mean if you pair him with a shooter like fournier i guess im ok with it. But again thats gonna be prolly near 40 mill a year for dinwiddie and fournier, just not sure how i feel bout that, ha.
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League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
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Jordan Schultz
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League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
Agree
Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
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Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
yeah but you still need guards who can put pressure on the opposing defense. And they have to replace Bledsoe's minutes (nobody played more than him for NO last year).
Nooooope. That's the THJ deal. Noooooope.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
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The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.
Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.
I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.
I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..
They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..
you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..
Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
They locked in the players that they had and gave them raises, basically bringing back the same team with one exception. They gave them all multiyear deals, so next year they won't have the cap space that they had this year.
Reggie Bullock was efficient from 3 as well.
I'm just telling you how I feel these free agent signings. If you want to stan and be happy about bringing back the same team, that's fine. I just wanted clear upgrades and other than one exception, they haven't done that at all.
Whatever RJ Barrett becomes is the way this team gets better. We're comparing an 18ppg scorer to a 10ppg scoring. One's a backup and one's a bonafide NBA starter.
Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA. Keeping some kind of rim protection was critical to playing Thibs' defense.
You might be one of the only people left who thinks they're paying Mitch. I certainly don't. They'd move him in an instant for a piece they need. I think they just drafted his replacement.
Bullock is a better defender though. Really love how he embraced that role last year.
Most deals can be traded. As long as the player isn't close to dead or unable to play, they CAN and will be traded.
Some of you are scarred. The Knicks are well coached and the roster is populated with not one single max deal and every player here is either underpaid (Randle) or paid as they should be paid, on 3 year deals. Noel or Burks cannot be traded? Since when? They are making peanuts compared to most NBA vets and both earned a well earned rep as a solid pros.
Not every contract is a death knell. Especially now when the team is well coached. Players aren't running the asylum here anymore.
Knicks couldn't do anything else. You cannot force a player to come here and you cannot just NOT pay vets. Knicks need to field a team that can play. Noel and Burks earned their money and round out the rotation.
Couldn't do much else and this doesn't change the future. Still have a flexible roster and kept the kids. It wasn't fun or exciting, but it's not bad either.