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NFT: Eve of NBA free agency and goodbye Frankie Smokes

PhilSimms15 : 8/1/2021 6:27 pm
Going to be a wild week for the NBA as around 1/3 of the league are free agents and the Knicks say goodbye to Frank.
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Chris Paul and Kawhii  
Earl the goat : 8/1/2021 6:37 pm : link
Opted out. Very interesting
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2021 6:38 pm : link
Would be on brand for Sarver not to pony up cash for CP3.

As for Frenchie...we will always have...some nice games here & there.
Sign Leonard outright  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 6:44 pm : link
And SnT for Paul. Boom. Lol. Pipedream, I knot.
Know  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 6:47 pm : link
Not knot.
RE: Sign Leonard outright  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2021 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15319123 robbieballs2003 said:
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And SnT for Paul. Boom. Lol. Pipedream, I knot.


I would want no part of Kawhi right now with his injury and age.
Keeping the majority of our assets and signing two studs via FA  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 6:52 pm : link
Is a perfect scenario. In 3 years you can reset and still have most of your young players. It's a homerun sutuation. It isn't like Paul is young.
Pour one out for Frank  
Anakim : 8/1/2021 6:57 pm : link
And for Greg
How much  
TommyWiseau : 8/1/2021 7:35 pm : link
Actual space do we have? Is it possible to sign Lowry or Paul and Kawhi? I'd imagine he would like to play with Lowry
RE: How much  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15319154 TommyWiseau said:
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Actual space do we have? Is it possible to sign Lowry or Paul and Kawhi? I'd imagine he would like to play with Lowry


Possible? Yes. But none of those guys are coming to NY.

Likely shopping in the next tier for pg (Dinwiddie, Schroeder, Graham) and Wing (Fournier, Oubre, Powell)
RE: How much  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15319154 TommyWiseau said:
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Actual space do we have? Is it possible to sign Lowry or Paul and Kawhi? I'd imagine he would like to play with Lowry


I the the number I saw last was approximately $56 mil but I am not sure if that number includes moving Knox.
The last number  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 7:41 pm : link
...
Luca Vildoza can also be waived for nothing  
adamg : 8/1/2021 7:54 pm : link
No cap hit
RE: Luca Vildoza can also be waived for nothing  
adamg : 8/1/2021 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15319167 adamg said:
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No cap hit


according to Macri
Paul and Kawhi are not available  
GMEN46 : 8/1/2021 9:23 pm : link
They are both resigning. I have no interest in giving Fournier 4 years for $80 million, guy can’t play a lick of defense. I also heard on a simmons or Russillo podcasts that Fournier has the worst PER in NBA playoff history for a players that has played at least X amount of games.
Knicks interested  
Earl the goat : 8/1/2021 9:31 pm : link
In Myles Turner
Sounds like Knicks are close on Fournier  
PhilSimms15 : 8/1/2021 9:41 pm : link
Would be a solid pick-up. Depending on cost, of course.
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I firmly believe that Knick writers just  
Carl in CT : 8/1/2021 9:44 pm : link
Read BBI. Everything we say (IE Pacers) then boom here comes a story a couple days later. They all have no intel.0
Woj pretty much confirming Lowry to Miami  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2021 9:48 pm : link
tomorrow via sign and trade.
Precious and Dragic  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2021 9:49 pm : link
would head to Toronto.
One Frenchie out  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/1/2021 9:53 pm : link
One Frenchie in
RE: I firmly believe that Knick writers just  
Strahan91 : 8/1/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15319261 Carl in CT said:
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Read BBI. Everything we say (IE Pacers) then boom here comes a story a couple days later. They all have no intel.0

The Myles Turner rumor came from a Pacers beat writer
Some of us been saying since before draft lots of talking with Pacers  
Carl in CT : 8/1/2021 10:48 pm : link
Then boom it’s in print. Well at least it confirms some of our intel if it’s Indiana writers.
I guess  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:54 pm : link
the only trade that would make sense there would be Obi for Turner.

I'd probably sign up for that if you can also move Mitch, otherwise it's just poor roster management.
How about this as a mock offseason:  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:58 pm : link
Obi for Turner straight up
Fournier at 3 years, 51 mil
IQ, Mitch, Knox, 5 1sts for Lillard

Turner
Randle
RJ
Fournier
Lillard

That's a pretty darn good team.
RE: How about this as a mock offseason:  
adamg : 8/1/2021 11:34 pm : link
In comment 15319301 Jon in NYC said:
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Obi for Turner straight up
Fournier at 3 years, 51 mil
IQ, Mitch, Knox, 5 1sts for Lillard

Turner
Randle
RJ
Fournier
Lillard

That's a pretty darn good team.


I'd rather bring back Rose and Bullock than sign Fournier. But Turner and Lillard would be awesome.
On one year deals that is  
adamg : 8/1/2021 11:35 pm : link
To be able to go after another star next offseason
Macri  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 12:23 am : link
Thinks Knicks big target is Duncan Robinson
RE: Macri  
adamg : 8/2/2021 12:52 am : link
In comment 15319332 Pete44 said:
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Thinks Knicks big target is Duncan Robinson


That would be interesting. Much better than either Bullock or Fournier. Wonder if he could be had for 20 per.
Duncan R  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 5:56 am : link
As a restricted free agent, the Knicks would have to fashion an offer sheet that would be difficult for Miami to match. Of course knowing Riley, besides negotiating the Lowry deal before free agent talks are allowed, he probably already has a deal in place for Robinson.

My prediction is the Knicks sign Fournier and Schroeder and bring back Bullock and Rose.
Someone would have to convince me what Duncan Robinson  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 7:15 am : link
is better at than Bullock.

I don't believe he's the same or better defender, and he's another guy that seems afraid to shoot.
Adamg  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 7:44 am : link
I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
RE: Adamg  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:05 am : link
In comment 15319362 GMEN46 said:
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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?


Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
RE: RE: Adamg  
Earl the goat : 8/2/2021 8:11 am : link
In comment 15319367 nygiants16 said:
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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?



Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank


Grimes will make you forget about Bullock
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NYG22 : 8/2/2021 8:12 am : link
In comment 15319367 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15319362 GMEN46 said:


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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?



Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank


Let's hope MM is a hell of lot better than FN, a bottom of the barrel NBA player. I get a Derek Fisher vibe out of MM (competitive as hell, bulldog type who may be better off ball than as a lead guard).
Just this mentioned on twitter  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:16 am : link
How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?
I think  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 8:19 am : link
you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league.

I just don't think the Heat let him walk.
RE: Just this mentioned on twitter  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15319374 nygiants16 said:
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How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?


Meh. He's fine, better than Elf, sure, but I'm not excited about giving up assets for him.
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nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15319377 Jon in NYC said:
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How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?



Meh. He's fine, better than Elf, sure, but I'm not excited about giving up assets for him.


you wouldnt have to, they would give you an asset for helping them out
Chris Haynes says  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:23 am : link
Kawhi will listen to offers from other teams
Maybe I'm underselling him as a shooter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 8:33 am : link
but he's literally only a shooter. There's probably a role for a Novak type of sniper but if he's replacing Bullock's spot, he needs to be able to defend too. However we might think of Bullock's defense, Thibs leaned on him and trusted that part of his game.
RE: Maybe I'm underselling him as a shooter  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:37 am : link
In comment 15319386 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but he's literally only a shooter. There's probably a role for a Novak type of sniper but if he's replacing Bullock's spot, he needs to be able to defend too. However we might think of Bullock's defense, Thibs leaned on him and trusted that part of his game.


Duncan is more of a taller Redick, he is going to run off screens, trae young is not going to be able to just sit in a corner and guard him...Robinson is not just a spot up shooter..
Duncan would be a great pick up  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 8:47 am : link
He moves exceptionally well without the ball and is a deadeye shooter. He was among the top few in true shooting percentage.

It would be impossible to double team Randle on the block and he would necessitate constant attention.

Robinson is far superior to Bullock, however, no way Miami let’s him go.
Myles Turner stuff isn’t just rumors  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 8:49 am : link
It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame
RE: Myles Turner stuff isn’t just rumors  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 8:49 am : link
In comment 15319391 ajr2456 said:
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It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame


Any idea what'd be going back?
I have a weird  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 9:04 am : link
feeling we're going to get Schroder.
Ehh...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:04 am : link
im not overly excited to sign Duncan to 20 per. He is a very good shooter, but I dont see a guy creating his own shot that often. So he is probably a much better open 3 pt shooter then Bullock but i still just seem him as a 3 pt shooter and im not excited to pay him a ton of money.

I find myself  
NYG22 : 8/2/2021 9:04 am : link
somewhat disappointed in the idea that today will result in something like:

Schroeder - 4y, $18mm per
Fournier - 3y, $20mm per

Mitch Robinson + a first rounder for Myles Turner

I had hoped for something like:

Obi + a first rounder for Collin Sexton
Norman Powell 3y, $20mm per
Richaun Holmes 3y, $8mm
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ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15319392 Jon in NYC said:
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It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame



Any idea what'd be going back?


Mitch but unsure of what else. Not close to being done just covering their bases in case they strike out with their top targets
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nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 9:08 am : link
In comment 15319408 Jon in NYC said:
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feeling we're going to get Schroder.


i do to but Schroeder, Fournier, Rj, Randle, Mitch wouldnt be half bad..

Fill in the bench with the rooks and a couple more vets
if this FO gives...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:08 am : link
40 million to Schroeder and Fournier then you might as well just start prepping for that day in 2 seasons when we are excited by the new GM and president we have coming in. Not sure what Schroeder or fournier have done to make us htink they woudl be worth that kind of money. Im ok with fournier for like 15 per, but i have zero interest in schroeder.

I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.
We should  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 9:12 am : link
honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.

At least root for Norm to leave Portland.
RE: if this FO gives...  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 9:14 am : link
In comment 15319417 Italianju said:
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40 million to Schroeder and Fournier then you might as well just start prepping for that day in 2 seasons when we are excited by the new GM and president we have coming in. Not sure what Schroeder or fournier have done to make us htink they woudl be worth that kind of money. Im ok with fournier for like 15 per, but i have zero interest in schroeder.

I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.


Yeah i dont want Schroeder either, rather Dinwiddie or even Dragic on a 1 year deal..

Either Schroeders agent is using the Knicks to prop him up or the Knicks plan on signing him, a lot of smoke
RE: We should  
NYG22 : 8/2/2021 9:16 am : link
In comment 15319424 Jon in NYC said:
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honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.

At least root for Norm to leave Portland.


Powell is a warrior. Perfect target. And I like your outside of the box thinking as well.
Given the contracts that get handed out in NBA free agency  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 9:22 am : link
I'd ask for the moon too. A team out there might be dumb or desperate enough.

Schroeder and Dinwiddie are delusional to me
The Knicks plan is simple.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2021 9:24 am : link
They are preserving cap space. Even something that seems small like the draft picks helps. They go big game hunting. If they get a target then great. If not, then they go for short term deals to preserve their cap space for next offseason with maybe one 3 year deal around 20 mil per.
RE: I think  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2021 9:24 am : link
In comment 15319376 Jon in NYC said:
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you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league.


Nope


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Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 9:27 am : link
In comment 15319440 Greg from LI said:
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you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league.



Nope



Far fewer open looks, also Duncan made more per game. They're similar players.
Joey Hoops was a shooting machine back when the Nets had nobodies  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2021 9:31 am : link
though. He didn't always get so many open looks.

They are similar types, yes.
I’ve seen Duncan Robinson play  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 9:32 am : link
Let’s not oversell what he is, he is a poor mans Kyle Korver. Why would we be paying $20 million for that. He plays one side of the ball. Not a fan unless a 1 year deal. I don’t mind overpaying guys on 1 year deals.
as mentioned above...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:41 am : link
im not interested in Duncan that much but to call him a poor mans Korver seems like a bit much. If anything id say he is similar to korver. THing is i wouldnt want to pay prime korver 20+ mill either.
Prediction  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 9:42 am : link
I have a feeling today will end with Schroeder and Fournier as Knicks. It just seems to be moving in that direction.

I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point.

I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.
RE: Prediction  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 9:44 am : link
In comment 15319484 Pete44 said:
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I have a feeling today will end with Schroeder and Fournier as Knicks. It just seems to be moving in that direction.

I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point.

I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.


This is basically how I feel too.

If you gave each guy 2 year 40 mil contracts with a team option in year 2 I'd be fine with that. But locking either up long term seems like an iffy call.
ill sign anyone for 1 year....  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:47 am : link
or 2 years with a team option. I dont really want schroeder at any cost,, but if its 1 year then sure, why not. Thing is there is no way you are getting guys like Fournier or Schroeder for 1 year. Thowing the second year team option in there would be somewhat meaningless. If the player was so amazing that we want to pay him 20 mill that second year then he woudl be better off being a FA again and if he doesnt play amazing we are just not picking up the option.

Id rather wait on guys like the above and see if they arent getting what they thought they would. Then maybe you can swoop in with a huge 1 year deal. Like if fournier is getting 4/50 type offers maybe he signs for 1/25 or something. Sure its an overpay, but 1 year.
I really don't like Dennis Schroeder  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2021 9:47 am : link
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RE: I really don't like Dennis Schroeder  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15319493 Greg from LI said:
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I don't love Schroeder, but compared to Payton, he is Bob Cousy.
RE: I really don't like Dennis Schroeder  
Anakim : 8/2/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15319493 Greg from LI said:
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From French to German
if we compare free agents to elf they will all look like cousy...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:52 am : link
but i mean why am i paying Schroeder 20 mill when i could prolly get Reggie Jackson for much less. At least less year for sure. Or if we really dont care about shooting just getting a guy like McConnell. I jsut dont understand what people like about schroeder. Like what separates him from other PG's
id be on board with Kent bazemore....  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:58 am : link
to replace Bullock/Burks if we decide not to overpay the Fournier's of the world.

Its funny i almost dont want the Knicks to sign anyone today. Today is the day we are going to see the absurd contracts to the avg players. If Kawhi wants to sign, go for it, lol, but otherwise just sit today out.
I want to give this FO the benefit of the doubt...  
Jan in DC : 8/2/2021 10:00 am : link
Do you really think they're going to give multiyear 20 million dollar deals to Fournier and Schroder if they think it will keep them from catching a big fish?

If they can't get someone big, I predict another series of one year deals or deals with team options and kicking the can down the road for one more offseason.

There is legitimately very little cap space this offseason.

Knicks - 54 million
Spurs - 48 million
Mavs - 35 million
OKC - 30 million
Raptors - 23 million.

Think of all the people that are talking about getting 20 million dollars a season or more:

Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley
Lonzo Ball
Duncan Robinson
Dennis Shroeder
John Collins
DeMar DeRozan
Norman Powell
Spencer Dinwiddie
Lauri Markkanen
Evan Fournier

That's a LOT of players for little cap space. I think that some players will end up taking less or shorter deals. They'll have to unless they want to chase rings with the Lakers for the vet minimum.
I dont think anyone knows what the Knicks are going to do  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 10:02 am : link
and because they have the most money and they are the Knicks media assumes they are throwing big money at schroeder..

I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense
yeah i think every agent is smartly using the knicks as leverage.....  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 10:03 am : link
float the idea the knicks want to give your guy 20 mill a year and maybe you can get 15 from the team actually interested.

Just stay the course. Now isnt the time to overpay middling guys. There will be good value in like 2 days when the teams who do have space overpay everyone.
RE: I dont think anyone knows what the Knicks are going to do  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 10:10 am : link
In comment 15319511 nygiants16 said:
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and because they have the most money and they are the Knicks media assumes they are throwing big money at schroeder..

I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense

If they did sign Schroeder my guess is it would be because he can't find a longer term deal and is the best PG available willing to take a 1+1 type deal. He's a solid player, not worth $4/80 but on a one year deal they could do worse. I think the narrative surrounded him has swung too far towards him stinking.
I mean, Schroeder's an OK player  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2021 10:11 am : link
But almost certainly to be a poor value
Latest from Jake Fischer from B/R  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 10:11 am : link
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And while the Heat still seem focused on finding a path to bring on DeMar DeRozan as well, that does not sound like a requirement for Lowry to join Miami.

DeRozan now appears headed for his own significant payday. It’s believed both the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers saw DeRozan as amenable to coming home and chasing a championship in his native city at the taxpayer mid-level exception that would net roughly $5.9 million. That no longer seems to be the case.

Lowry’s former running mate was said to have strong interest from New York, Detroit and Dallas, sources told B/R.


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That’s probably because the heavily-rumored Spencer Dinwiddie sign-and-trade to Washington appears to have lost some momentum. Brooklyn has not signaled much interest in taking back either Kyle Kuzma’s or Montrezl Harrell’s contract onto its exorbitant tax bill, sources said, despite the Wizards’ ongoing efforts to move both bigs.

There are still scenarios where Dinwiddie could sign with Washington, because the Russell Westbrook trade between the Wizards and Lakers is not official and could always expand to include multiple teams. Yet Dinwiddie now seems like the preferred point guard option in New Orleans, should Lowry indeed sign with Miami. For weeks, there has been a rumored two-year, $40 million offer league sources believe Oklahoma City is prepared to make Dinwiddie as well.

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FA  
31southst : 8/2/2021 10:12 am : link
Seems like a ton of smoke around Fournier. He's a solid 4th or 5th starter but 4/80 seems like a lot to me, especially if Bullock will be like 3/30. I get that Fournier can initiate offense and the playoffs showed we need more guys who can do that, but not sure I think it would be worth that much more money.
And i am sorry  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 10:14 am : link
ill believe when i see it that Derozan takes a 20 million dollar pay cut
Schroeder doesnt stink..  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 10:15 am : link
but that doesnt make him good. He is a low % scoring PG who has maxed out at 6 assists a game and usually produces a not impressive 2/1 assist to turnover ratio. Just not sure what he brings that is a big upgrade to a team that he is worth 20 mill a year.
Montrezl would be a great add for BKN..  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 10:17 am : link
but i understand the tax concerns makes it prolly not worth it. THats the problem i guess when 3 guys make like 120 mill, lol.
if the Knicks can't get anyone  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 10:21 am : link
at the top of the market then they should just run it back with vets who are willing to take one year deals. If you're patient, you can can get guys 80%-90% as good as Fournier and Shroder for a lot less money.
Alan Hahn  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 10:24 am : link
Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.
RE: Alan Hahn  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15319529 Pete44 said:
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Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.


He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..

Listen anything is possible  
Stu11 : 8/2/2021 10:29 am : link
But based on their behavior the past 2 seasons up to and including the draft where they maneuvered to save every nickel of cap space they could, what gives anyone the idea that this management team is gonna give Schroeder and Fournier 3 or 4 year big money deals? They clearly needed more shooters at the deadline but didn't panic and over pay for anyone. They loved shooters in the draft like Murphy but didn't panic and over pay to move up. Yet suddenly they're gonna panic and bust their nut on those 2 idiots?
Hollinger  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 10:44 am : link
reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham.

I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.
RE: RE: Alan Hahn  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15319532 nygiants16 said:
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Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.


NY Giants read his twitter, he was killing the Knicks, saying that all of this cap space can't lead to Denis Schroeder. He might have backed off of it on facebook live, but he was definitely showing some frustration.



He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..
Massive  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 10:48 am : link
pass on Schroder. He thinks he's better than he is and has limited upside. I know the Knicks need a PG but I'd pass on him.
RE: Hollinger  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15319540 Pete44 said:
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reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham.

I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.


Awful for Charlotte if true
RE: Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15319540 Pete44 said:
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reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham.

I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.



John Hollinger
@johnhollinger
·
12m
Update on my update: Could very well be Lonzo and Graham in double sign-and-trade, but *NOT* with Lonzo Ball going to Charlotte. Bulls remain very much in play for Ball. Could end up a very complex transaction if this happens.
RE: Hollinger  
Stu11 : 8/2/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15319540 Pete44 said:
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reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham.

I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.

He's updated that. He hears its Ball to Chicago and Graham to New Orleans in a multi-team deal.
It doesn't seem like the Knicks think Lonzo is any good.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 10:51 am : link
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Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 10:53 am : link
if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch
RE: It doesn't seem like the Knicks think Lonzo is any good.  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 10:53 am : link
In comment 15319550 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He is not a fit for what Thibs likes at Point..
RE: It doesn't seem like the Knicks think Lonzo is any good.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 10:53 am : link
In comment 15319550 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I think they just don't like the fit. Thibs likes point guards who can break defenders down and penetrate which Lonzo can't. 4 years at ~$20M per is a big investment for someone you're unsure of as a fit on your team.
RE: Sorry  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15319552 DanMetroMan said:
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if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch


"Big Offer to Fournier" is scary.

Like the idea of extending Mitch.
RE: Sorry  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15319552 DanMetroMan said:
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if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch


I mentioned this yesterday i have a friend who used to work for the Celtics and he told me that the celtics feel Fournier is going to Knicks
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 10:54 am : link
the Celtics think Fournier to the Knicks is going to happen.
Fournier  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 10:57 am : link
is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.
RE: Fournier  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15319561 DanMetroMan said:
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is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.

This is how I feel. He's not a big name, exciting signing but he's a good player and would be a solid upgrade
If Fournier is the first move, the fan backlash is going to be so  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 10:58 am : link
obnoxious to such an underwhelming sign I'm going to have to stay off twitter.
If fans  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 11:00 am : link
shit themselves over Fournier they need to grow thicker skin. He's a perfectly fine starting SG for a good team. He's a great 4th scoring option.
RE: If Fournier is the first move, the fan backlash is going to be so  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 11:01 am : link
In comment 15319563 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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obnoxious to such an underwhelming sign I'm going to have to stay off twitter.

Deja vu to when the Giants first FA move was John Ross
Really  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:02 am : link
don't like Schroder and yet I think if you like him 1 year is a bad move. the issue with 1-year deals for guys joining "non-contenders". They presumably are joining said team to inflate their own numbers. Schroder in particular seems like a prime candidate to do this. I'd pass completely. It really shouldn't be "hard" to find an upgrade given how bad the Knicks PG play was. A few more lobs to Mitch and Sims thanks
How does Fournier's defense compare to Bullock?  
adamg : 8/2/2021 11:02 am : link
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Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:03 am : link
says Boston is shopping Banks.
RE: Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:04 am : link
In comment 15319571 DanMetroMan said:
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says Boston is shopping Banks.


lol Smart not Banks. Sorry brain fart.
Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:06 am : link
says teams believe Fournier will get "around" 15 per.
Fournier  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 11:06 am : link
Is not what fans want to see, but the Knicks have all this caproom and no stars out there to sign. There is no way knicks fans will be happy this offseason unless we get Kawhi which still kind of stinks because he is going to be out for the year.

It’s either overpay in 1 year deals to kick the money to next year or overpay multi year deals for the like of Duncan Robinson, Evan Fournier and Schroeder. If Knicks get Schroeder and Fournier as there 2 big catches, I just don’t see them improving much over last year. I know these guys are solid players I just don’t see the point in locking in guys with the possibility to be a 4 or 5 seed at best. These contracts won’t be tradeable. Portland isn’t going to want Fournier at 4 years $100 million or Schroeder at 4 years $80 million. The goal is to win a championship not just be a 4 or 5 seed. If the Players aren’t there to get you that then kick the money to next year because the fans will be angry either way.

There will be no writer applauding the Knicks no matter which if the 2 approaches they take, so they should take the smart approach of not locking in average players to bad contracts.
RE: Mannix  
adamg : 8/2/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15319573 DanMetroMan said:
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says teams believe Fournier will get "around" 15 per.
that would be awesome
RE: RE: Mannix  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 11:08 am : link
In comment 15319572 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15319571 DanMetroMan said:


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says Boston is shopping Banks.



lol Smart not Banks. Sorry brain fart.


Smart was part of the Knicks plan B with Turner if they struck out fwiw
RE: RE: Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15319575 adamg said:
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In comment 15319573 DanMetroMan said:


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says teams believe Fournier will get "around" 15 per.

that would be awesome


To be clear, Mannix is saying what he's hearing is Fournier will get around 15 per and that the Knicks were one of the teams in on him, he wasn't hearing the Knicks were signing Fournier for that number.
RE: It doesn't seem like the Knicks think Lonzo is any good.  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15319550 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if we sign him we still have a huge gaping hole at lead guard. He's not that type of player.
RE: Fournier  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15319561 DanMetroMan said:
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is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.


Supposedly they were clearing room under tax and then they were told he wants to go to Knicms, so they pivoted and traded for Richardson
Bulls  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:11 am : link
and Celtics both reportedly discussing sign and trades for Lonzo, Bulls are considered the most likely destination for him.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:11 am : link
take Smart over Terrence Ross.
RE: I'd  
Stu11 : 8/2/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15319584 DanMetroMan said:
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take Smart over Terrence Ross.

In a heart beat. I just can't see the Celts trading him to us.
Is Fournier a stud? no  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 11:12 am : link
but he is an effecient 18 ppg scorer who can handle, score at all 3 levels, he can play off the ball not afraid to take big shots, he is a great fit..

Defensively he will at least compete, is he locking down guys? no but this team desoeretly needs offense
What  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:13 am : link
am I missing, why isn't there more Knick fan interest in Nunn? A Miami creation that isn't that good? Only 26 next season, 38% from 3 this year
RE: We should  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15319424 Jon in NYC said:
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honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.

At least root for Norm to leave Portland.


Norm Powell is better then Fournier.
RE: What  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15319588 DanMetroMan said:
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am I missing, why isn't there more Knick fan interest in Nunn? A Miami creation that isn't that good? Only 26 next season, 38% from 3 this year


I don't think he's very good. He's certainly not a PG.
Luka  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:16 am : link
and Mavs verbally agree to a 5 year 202 million deal that will be signed post Olympics per Stein
Nunn  
31southst : 8/2/2021 11:17 am : link
My working assumption is he was definitely going back to Miami but if he shakes free because they need the room or something I would be in on him for sure. Would certainly prefer him to Schroeder.
RE: What  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15319588 DanMetroMan said:
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am I missing, why isn't there more Knick fan interest in Nunn? A Miami creation that isn't that good? Only 26 next season, 38% from 3 this year

I'm interested in Nunn. Haven't heard a peep about the Knicks interest though since Begley mentioned him a ways back.
RE: Nunn  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:18 am : link
In comment 15319593 31southst said:
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My working assumption is he was definitely going back to Miami but if he shakes free because they need the room or something I would be in on him for sure. Would certainly prefer him to Schroeder.


Hollinger says close to zero chance he remains with Miami due to their cap situation.
-  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:19 am : link
Keeping Kendrick Nunn, on the other hand, seems hugely unlikely. The Heat will be hard-capped on any sign-and-trade and, in any event, would go deep in the tax if it re-signed him at his market value and made the moves above. He is effectively an unrestricted free agent at this point.
RE: RE: We should  
Stu11 : 8/2/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15319589 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 15319424 Jon in NYC said:


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honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.

At least root for Norm to leave Portland.



Norm Powell is better then Fournier.

Agreed but given that we have all this room and you just don't here any buzz there you have to feel there just isn't interest from one if not both ends.
Fournier @ 15 million per  
larryflower37 : 8/2/2021 11:21 am : link
Is a steal.
He is a great fit for the Knicks especially as a catch and shoot off Randle kicks.
It's an affordable deal that they could move if necessary down the road.
Considering  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:23 am : link
past history I'm betting if Mannix is hearing around 15 and the Knicks are the high bidder, I bet it's closer to 18-19 when it's all said and done.
The more I think about it, the less I buy the interest  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 11:29 am : link
in Schroder. The Knicks are the only team you hear about wrt his free agency. That tells me that his agent is trying to generate interest and the Knicks have both a gaping hole at PG and a lot of money so it makes sense.
I  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 11:30 am : link
like Norm more than Fournier too, but the one thing Fournier has on him is that he's a better shot creator and facilitator.

Almost twice as many assists, and he's just better off the dribble than Norm which was a huge gap last year.
Seems like the Dinwiddie suitors have quieted  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 11:31 am : link
Sounds like him to washington is dead and there really hasnt been any buzz anywhere else
Fournier  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 11:31 am : link
For 15 per I can do, for 20+ no thanks. I'd rather bring back Bullock if we are going to pay 20 or over for him.
RE: Seems like the Dinwiddie suitors have quieted  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 11:32 am : link
In comment 15319610 nygiants16 said:
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Sounds like him to washington is dead and there really hasnt been any buzz anywhere else


Well that's interesting. I'd prefer him to Schroder for sure if the money is even close to even.
RE: Seems like the Dinwiddie suitors have quieted  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 11:32 am : link
In comment 15319610 nygiants16 said:
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Sounds like him to washington is dead and there really hasnt been any buzz anywhere else

Sounds like he's New Orleans new target with Lowry headed to Miami. Call me crazy but I think they'd be better served matching a Lonzo offer sheet assuming the money is close.
RE: Considering  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 11:32 am : link
In comment 15319601 DanMetroMan said:
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past history I'm betting if Mannix is hearing around 15 and the Knicks are the high bidder, I bet it's closer to 18-19 when it's all said and done.


I agree with this. He made 17 last year. He's going to beat that.
Also  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 11:34 am : link
sign me the fuck up for Marcus Smart. Think he's wildly underrated.
RE: Also  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15319619 Jon in NYC said:
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sign me the fuck up for Marcus Smart. Think he's wildly underrated.


Same. Would be great with Thibs. Not looking for a big Frank debate but when people projected him to be "at worst" a Smart-type... I think that was a disservice to Smart.
We are more interested in trades then  
Carl in CT : 8/2/2021 11:40 am : link
The free agents who are out there. That being said if the trades strike out we are going to look pretty bad. Yes still talking to Cleveland, yes to Indiana and Charlotte all which I said prior to shit coming out. But it takes two. (That’s free agents not names (KL, CP, or Lowery). Just have to wait and see I guess. Smart is a Thibs guy (but can’t shoot). Who knows at this point.
any judgement on a  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 11:41 am : link
Fournier contract should also include a comparison to what the lower end wings end up getting (Burks, Bullock, McDermott, Reddick etc.). He fills a need, but the need at PG is greater and should be the primary focus.
RE: We are more interested in trades then  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15319627 Carl in CT said:
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The free agents who are out there. That being said if the trades strike out we are going to look pretty bad. Yes still talking to Cleveland, yes to Indiana and Charlotte all which I said prior to shit coming out. But it takes two. (That’s free agents not names (KL, CP, or Lowery). Just have to wait and see I guess. Smart is a Thibs guy (but can’t shoot). Who knows at this point.


Smart's rep as a non-shooter is sort of overstated at this point. Over his last 3 seasons 35% from 3, 81% from the line. Is he a great shooter? No but he's not an offensive zero.
Fuck yes  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:44 am : link
to this lol


Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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6m
I feel like I’ve done at least 3 Marcus Smart trade pieces over the last year. Suffice it to say, I’m here for this. Don’t see any reason why it can’t be a Bullock sign and trade.
I'd take  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 11:48 am : link
Smart over Schroder or Dinwiddie any freakin day
im all for Smart...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 11:54 am : link
he is a VERY good role player. I dont think he is more then that, but there is nothing wrong with that. Great defender, doesnt help our offense issues, but would allow for a more offensive minded PG option maybe. Also is a FA after this year so wouldnt hurt our capspace next offseason. Would 100% rather him then guys like schroeder, fournier, dinwiddie, etc.
Smart or no Smart  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 11:57 am : link
the Knicks still need a legit point guard. Smart is a good rotation guy but more of a two. Knicks should not sign and trade Bullock unless they have a wing to replace him.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:57 am : link
Sounds like odds are Lowry is headed to Miami, Dragic and Achiuwa to Toronto.
Caruso  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 11:58 am : link
to meet with "multiple" teams

DeRozan expected to chase the money vs. taking less to go home

All of that from Jake Fischer
Sign me up for:  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 12:00 pm : link
Smart-Fournier-RJ-Randle-Mitch

with still enough pieces to go star chasing.
Rival  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:02 pm : link
teams do not see any way Paul leaves the Suns per Amick
Conley  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:03 pm : link
expected to remain in Utah
Tim  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:06 pm : link
Hardaway Jr. rumored to be wanting to sign somewhere other than Dallas. Round 3? lol
RE: Tim  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15319655 DanMetroMan said:
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Hardaway Jr. rumored to be wanting to sign somewhere other than Dallas. Round 3? lol


Hell no, just on principle.
THJ 4/85  
adamg : 8/2/2021 12:09 pm : link
Who says no?
RE: RE: Tim  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15319656 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15319655 DanMetroMan said:


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Hardaway Jr. rumored to be wanting to sign somewhere other than Dallas. Round 3? lol



Hell no, just on principle.


lol same feeling
RE: The Knicks plan is simple.  
djm : 8/2/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15319439 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are preserving cap space. Even something that seems small like the draft picks helps. They go big game hunting. If they get a target then great. If not, then they go for short term deals to preserve their cap space for next offseason with maybe one 3 year deal around 20 mil per.


my take as well.
whats funny is he is kinda what we need...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 12:13 pm : link
an offensive minded shoooter, haha. But im not paying him big money...again, lol. That said a Smart/Hardaway backcourt would work well, haha
RE: The more I think about it, the less I buy the interest  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15319608 Strahan91 said:
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in Schroder. The Knicks are the only team you hear about wrt his free agency. That tells me that his agent is trying to generate interest and the Knicks have both a gaping hole at PG and a lot of money so it makes sense.

Same goes for Fournier, maybe even more so. We know Boston wants to resign him and they're having talks. What better way to get them to up their offer than them thinking the team with the most cap space is hot after his your services.
If we get Fournier and Smart  
adamg : 8/2/2021 12:17 pm : link
We'd have room to bring back Rose right?
RE: If we get Fournier and Smart  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15319676 adamg said:
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We'd have room to bring back Rose right?


Yeah that's just 30 mil out of the 53 we have. We'd have a ton of space left.
RE: If we get Fournier and Smart  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15319676 adamg said:
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We'd have room to bring back Rose right?


if you sent out nothing salary wise in a trade for smart you would still have 21 million in space so yes could bring back Rose
Begley said he doesn't think the Knicks  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:19 pm : link
plan A or maybe even B would be Schroder. He thinks they're more interested in Lowry, Paul and Dinwiddie but if they strike out with the guys higher on their list maybe they turn there.

Also reaffirmed interest in DeRozan on a 1 or 2 year deal.
RE: If we get Fournier and Smart  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15319676 adamg said:
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We'd have room to bring back Rose right?

Yes, depending on what Fournier gets they'd have about $20-25M or so in remaining space.
RE: Begley said he doesn't think the Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15319682 Strahan91 said:
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plan A or maybe even B would be Schroder. He thinks they're more interested in Lowry, Paul and Dinwiddie but if they strike out with the guys higher on their list maybe they turn there.

Also reaffirmed interest in DeRozan on a 1 or 2 year deal.


If the market has cooled on Dinwiddie I'd swoop in there for sure.
.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:21 pm : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
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23s
Knicks may wind up with second tier choices but still hearing they will be in play for Chris Paul if he is not satisfied with Phoenix offer. While Lowry rumors abound with Miami - Knicks can unite him with DeRozan if that's a path he wants.
Kinda  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:23 pm : link
cool. A fan made a "hype video" of the Knicks rookie class (Jokubaitis isn't featured)
Link - ( New Window )
Rose plus those B tier guys  
adamg : 8/2/2021 12:24 pm : link
Would be exciting over the short term. We could leave flexibility to go after a big name next offseason in FA.

I think Mitch and RJ are super important. If they both take big steps forward this year, we could be a sleeper.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15319686 Strahan91 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
·
23s
Knicks may wind up with second tier choices but still hearing they will be in play for Chris Paul if he is not satisfied with Phoenix offer. While Lowry rumors abound with Miami - Knicks can unite him with DeRozan if that's a path he wants.


Amick said he couldn't find anybody who thought Paul was looking to leave the Suns as he's close with Williams and James Jones and wants to be on the West Coast.
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:25 pm : link
hearing similar


"The other superstar free agent, Phoenix’s Chris Paul, is widely expected to return to the Suns after earlier chatter that the Pelicans would be in hot pursuit. That talk seems to have faded, likely because Phoenix stepped up with a more serious package. (I’ve heard the initial offer was rather underwhelming; the Suns were allowed to negotiate directly with Paul since he was under contract and has a player option.).

Paul declined his $44 million player option and instead would seem to be signing a new deal in Phoenix; nobody will be surprised if the total package nears or exceeds $100 million. Note also that the Suns are the one team that can pay Paul over four years rather than three, due to the league’s over-38 rule."
Really no consensus on where Derozan is headed  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 12:25 pm : link
was talk of LA but they dont have the money to make it worth it..

Talk of Miami but they dont really have the money for both Lowry and Derozan..

Cant see Derozan in OKC
CP3  
31southst : 8/2/2021 12:26 pm : link
It seems obvious to me CP3 is using the Knicks as leverage so Sarver doesn't cheap out here.
Sarver is the wild card. His comments raised eyebrows  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:26 pm : link
and if they lowball Paul things can change in a hurry. I'm sure the Knicks know where he's at though given how close Paul and Rose are. So I'm sure if it's not a remote possibility they won't waste time on it.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:27 pm : link
do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.
RE: Really no consensus on where Derozan is headed  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15319696 nygiants16 said:
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was talk of LA but they dont have the money to make it worth it..

Talk of Miami but they dont really have the money for both Lowry and Derozan..

Cant see Derozan in OKC

Gun to my head, I think he goes to a team without cap space in a sign and trade.
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:28 pm : link
says he's surprised by the lack of Knicks/Dinwiddle buzz.
RE: I  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15319700 DanMetroMan said:
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do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.

Begley did say any moves for a vet pg or DeRozan the Knicks make in FA are likely to be 1 or 2 year deals.
Hard  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:30 pm : link
to see why this would happen here vs. Miami. Lowry is supposedly headed to Miami because he and Butler are so close, why would he pick NY over that? Doesn't make sense.


"Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
The #Heat really like the idea of reuniting Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan (MLE) according to league sources - with one saying a S-T (Dragic) is the preferable choice to acquire Lowry. Both Kyle and DeMar have maintained a great friendship since playing together w/the #Raptors."
I really  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 12:30 pm : link
hope they dont let Rose walk. Not only is it a feel good story to see him recreate his game, the Knicks were wildly better with him on the floor.
Because in NY DeRozan wouldn't have to take the MLE  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:31 pm : link
which is a pretty low number for him.
RE: RE: I  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15319704 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 15319700 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


do not like the idea of giving Lowry/DeRozan both big contracts. DeRozan is 32 this week, Lowry 36 in March. One of them? Sure. But signing both would likely set them back. The young players would at very best be 4th and 5th options.


Begley did say any moves for a vet pg or DeRozan the Knicks make in FA are likely to be 1 or 2 year deals.


Not really sure why DeRozan would want a 1-2 year deal at 32 years old to join a non-contender. "Everybody" will be willing to give him short years.
RE: Because in NY DeRozan wouldn't have to take the MLE  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15319709 Strahan91 said:
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which is a pretty low number for him.


What's in it for Lowry vs. Miami? The Knicks are not as good as Miami and the Knicks don't have his close friend Jimmy Butler.
Because the Knicks can pay him real money on a  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:32 pm : link
1 or 2 year deal. Not many other teams out there who can, especially if San Antonio isn’t interested in bringing him back.
RE: Because the Knicks can pay him real money on a  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15319713 Strahan91 said:
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1 or 2 year deal. Not many other teams out there who can, especially if San Antonio isn’t interested in bringing him back.


Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.
DeRozen is in his final earnings years  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 12:35 pm : link
why would he take the MLE to play with a buddy while at the sometime, the buddy gets a max? Makes no sense. If they really want to play together, they can get their dough and play together on the Knicks.
RE: I really  
adamg : 8/2/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15319707 Jon in NYC said:
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hope they dont let Rose walk. Not only is it a feel good story to see him recreate his game, the Knicks were wildly better with him on the floor.

He was our best player in the playoffs. He's the spark plug we need off the bench. Plus, he'll mentor all those young guards.
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:35 pm : link
says the expectation is Lowry lands in Miami (as most are reporting).
RE: I really  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15319707 Jon in NYC said:
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hope they dont let Rose walk. Not only is it a feel good story to see him recreate his game, the Knicks were wildly better with him on the floor.


I never really considered this as a possibility. Think there's a chance.
Kyle  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:37 pm : link
Lowry is Godfather to Jimmy Butler's daughter and apparently occasionally facetimed in the locker room after games.
RE: RE: Because the Knicks can pay him real money on a  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15319717 DanMetroMan said:
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Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.

I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.
RE: RE: RE: Because the Knicks can pay him real money on a  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15319725 Strahan91 said:
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Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.


I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.


He's 32 this week. Lowry is expected to get 3 for 90 from Miami via sign and trade, how are the Knicks more appealing?
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:40 pm : link
says if the Bulls don't land Ball they may try to bring back Rose (or sign Schroder)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Because the Knicks can pay him real money on a  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15319730 DanMetroMan said:
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Players exiting their prime looking to get paid (as is word with him) don't generally take 1 year deals with non-contenders.


I'm not sure what his max is but if the Knicks give him a 1 year deal at $30M or so, he's gonna make more money in that one year than Miami giving him a 3 year MLE. He's only 31 so he'd make a lot more money that way assuming he stays healthy going into next year's FA.



He's 32 this week. Lowry is expected to get 3 for 90 from Miami via sign and trade, how are the Knicks more appealing?

I'm talking about DeRozan. He's not taking the MLE if he has other offers after his buddy gets 3x that. I'd bet a lot of money on that. Miami isn't LA or Brooklyn. It's not ring-chasing.
Jokubaitis  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:43 pm : link
will play with the Knicks in summer league but will not exercise his buyout and will play 2022 in Spain per Berman. Presumably, he and the Knicks came to an agreement on what he should do.
And  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:44 pm : link
I'm talking about signing Lowry AND DeRozan. I wouldn't sign both of them.
RE: Jokubaitis  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15319738 DanMetroMan said:
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will play with the Knicks in summer league but will not exercise his buyout and will play 2022 in Spain per Berman. Presumably, he and the Knicks came to an agreement on what he should do.


I think this is smart. A couple years at Barca probably helps everyone.
Already  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:46 pm : link
reported I assume but Travis Reid will be part of the summer league team. One guess on his agency.... lol
RE: Already  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15319746 DanMetroMan said:
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reported I assume but Travis Reid will be part of the summer league team. One guess on his agency.... lol


Reid Travis
.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 12:49 pm : link
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
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2m
Former Florida State standout M.J. Walker will sign an Exhibit 10 contract with the #Knicks, per source.
No to Tim Hardaway  
Leg of Theismann : 8/2/2021 12:55 pm : link
Fool me once. I understand he finally had one good year for the first time in 8 years, but this would be the 3rd time we're acquiring him and the first 2 times did not go well. Part of me gets the feeling if his name wasn't Tim Hardaway Jr. we wouldn't be talking about giving him another chance at $22M per year after just one good year of shooting.
.  
widmerseyebrow : 8/2/2021 1:17 pm : link
.
Curry  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:17 pm : link
4 for 215 with GSW
18m a year fournier to knicks  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:18 pm : link
is expectation around the league accorsing to Fischer
RE: 18m a year fournier to knicks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15319794 nygiants16 said:
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is expectation around the league accorsing to Fischer


Hope it's a 1+1 player option but that's probably wishful thinking.
Rumors  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:21 pm : link
Swirling the Knicks and Fournier will come together on a deal around 18 per.
Im  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:21 pm : link
Assuming 3 for 54
RE: Curry  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15319792 DanMetroMan said:
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4 for 215 with GSW

My dream is dead. Oh well. Good for Curry - he should be a lifelong Warrior at this point.
18 per is meh  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 1:22 pm : link
Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense
3/$54 is fine for Fournier.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 1:23 pm : link
Can't give out 10 one-year deals in FA every summer - that contract can be moved in a second if space is needed in the future.
RE: 18 per is meh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15319803 TommyWiseau said:
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense


That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:24 pm : link
DeRozan still rates as a minus defender, needs 3-point shooting around him to thrive and turns 32 in early August. As a result, I’d expect to sign for two years and $30-35 million or so. But the question is where, exactly — especially since it might not make sense for the rebuilding Spurs to bring him back. Could the Knicks be a fit if they lose Alec Burks? Could Dallas turn to him if it misses out on its more prominent targets? Could we (gasp) get a second act in Toronto?
i mean 18 mill in the NBA isnt really that high...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 1:24 pm : link
but it does still feel like more then i want to pay Fournier. If its 3/54 i can live with it. We are a better team with him. Still weird that we are interested in him now, but didnt trade for him at the deadline.
RE: 18m a year fournier to knicks  
PwndPapi : 8/2/2021 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15319794 nygiants16 said:
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is expectation around the league accorsing to Fischer


Don't love it. Assuming he plays the 3 and Barrett sticks at the 2?
RE: 18 per is meh  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15319803 TommyWiseau said:
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense


You are getting an effecient 18ppg player, immediately improves the offense which was much needed
doesnt the max salary vs salary cap thing seem to be getting a bit off  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 1:26 pm : link
i mean Curry is going to take up like half the cap, ha
Fournier's D Plus/Minus was actually positive with Boston  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 1:27 pm : link
so there's some hope for him on that end
Fournier  
31southst : 8/2/2021 1:28 pm : link
Keeping it at 3 years would really change my view - 3/54 vs. 4/72 is a big difference.

In thinking about PG options, I wonder if there is a trade out there that hasn't been sniffed out that makes sense. One of the Spurs guys? Dragic? None of the PG options really seem sensible to me so I feel like there must be something else out there.
I don't love Fournier at that number  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 1:31 pm : link
but I'd have to see what some of the other contracts come in at. I will say that we basically signind Hardaway to almost that same number 4 years ago, lol. Fucking Mills...
I like Fournier.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2021 1:34 pm : link
And he can be used as a trade chip too for a star to balance out contracts if need be. He will always have value with the way he shoots.
Begley  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 1:37 pm : link
says there's mutual Derozan interest, but there's no way they add both him and Fournier.
RE: Begley  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15319824 Jon in NYC said:
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says there's mutual Derozan interest, but there's no way they add both him and Fournier.


Unkess Derozan at point?
I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:40 pm : link
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.

I'd really like to  
GGGGmen : 8/2/2021 1:43 pm : link
see the Knicks make a run at De'aaron Fox. The Kings drafted Mitchell and with Fox and Halliburton you have 3 point guards who need the ball.

Another Kentucky guy as well and the Knicks desperately need a playmaking point guard. Not sure what it would take - a pick or two, Toppin, Knox.

Thoughts? Not sure who else is out there on the trade market but I think Fox can be had based on the positional depth of the Kings.
Why are OKC interested in adding another point?  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:44 pm : link
according to haybes they may make an agressive offer to Graham..

also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
RE: Why are OKC interested in adding another point?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15319837 nygiants16 said:
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according to haybes they may make an agressive offer to Graham..

also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie


Collecting assets seems to be what they do. They're in no position to actually compete, why would they be looking to add an expensive PG like Dinwiddie.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:48 pm : link
Expected to show interest in Reggie Jackson
RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15319830 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.


Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.

.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:56 pm : link
“Otto Porter Jr. and Rudy Gay are two players the [Utah] Jazz hold interest in,” wrote Tony Jones of The Athletic. “But those names also come with caveats. Gay is thought to be leaning toward the Los Angeles Lakers. Porter is thought to be leaning to the Brooklyn Nets. In free agency, anything can happen.”
Are the Knicks signing  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:58 pm : link
both Derozan and Fournier?
Can confirm  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 1:58 pm : link
Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.
RE: Can confirm  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15319861 ajr2456 said:
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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.

Thanks, let us know the status of any other:
Starting
Guards
Available
Summer  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:04 pm : link
League roster
Link - ( New Window )
Kings  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 2:05 pm : link
Drafting Mitchell was a huge head scratcher especially with Fox around. Would they be open to trading Fox at all? Really confused as to what they are trying to do there.
RE: RE: Can confirm  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15319865 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 15319861 ajr2456 said:


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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.


Thanks, let us know the status of any other:
Starting
Guards
Available


Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
Justin Patton is still only 24 years old and “recently” went 16th overall. Not saying he’s anything but not a bad option to get a look at in summer ball #Knicks
RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15319856 Heisenberg said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.




Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.


At the same position Randle plays though?
RE: RE: RE: Can confirm  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15319872 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 15319861 ajr2456 said:


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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.


Thanks, let us know the status of any other:
Starting
Guards
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Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more


I wouldn’t sit around this week waiting for an SGA trade.
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15319874 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.




Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.




At the same position Randle plays though?


Derozan is a power forward?
Derozan  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 2:12 pm : link
spent most of his minutes at PF for the Spurs last year.
I see Kevin Knox  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 2:13 pm : link
is taking the Nate Robinson approach to summer league.
i like Reggie Jackson...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 2:14 pm : link
he isnt special, but he is solid. ANd id assume will either be cheap or a 1 year deal. Id much rather sign him to 1/15 then sign schroeder thats for sure. I know we arent going to get all excited about adding a couple late first round guys and then Jackson/Fournier, but we would be improving. If we did go with a Jackson type id really like to bring Rose back.
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15319874 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15319830 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.




Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.




At the same position Randle plays though?


He's a small forward. He'd mostly take Bullock's minutes. The Knicks need guys who can score down the stretch of close games. When Randle wasn't hot, they struggled because RJ is not that guy yet. Derozan is definitely that guy. He wouldn't help with spacing. But he could play a big role as basically the primary ball handler and lessen the need for a big time PG.

I'm not married to the idea of signing Derozan - he will be expensive and does have some limitations to his game - but I do see a fit.
if you are bringing in Derozen you have to be 150%  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 2:17 pm : link
sure that RJ's shooting wasnt a mirage. Im not saying i think it is but if he reverts back to a 32% 3pt guy and you are playing him and Derozen 36 minutes a game together that could be ugly. DErozen is a much better NBA player then Fournier, but fournier is the much better fit for us.
I like the Fournier idea.  
manh george : 8/2/2021 2:19 pm : link
Barrett won't blow people away as a one on one defender at the 2, but he would help the team defense with his long arms, and of course he would be a better rebounder than most 2's. His ability to get 3's for himself, as opposed to only catch and shoot, will improve, and with his still-growing strength, he will beat up on most 2s.

Putting Fournier at the 3 works nicely, especially if they can keep either Bullock or Burks for the back-up big 2/3. The smaller backup 2 is Quickley, of course, so there is a bigger need at backup 3.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:23 pm : link
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
·
19m
Regarding Kevin Knox II, Knox informed the Knicks that he wanted to play in Summer League, per sources.
Knox wants to relive the best part of his career...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 2:27 pm : link
.....

Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:27 pm : link
With the Suns likely to make Chris Paul a three-year, $90-plus million offer that will keep him in Phoenix, the Knicks may be in line to snare his backup – young lefty free agent Cam Payne.

The Knicks have considered a no-frills point-guard scenario with Payne and Derrick Rose splitting minutes in 2021-22.
More from Berman  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:28 pm : link
Signing Payne would leave the Knicks room to sign two other players of note, potentially wing scorer Evan Fournier and Kelly Oubre Jr., and perhaps make an attempt to bring back center Nerlens Noel.
Fournier improves the team  
RAIN : 8/2/2021 2:29 pm : link
No question. If he's in for 3 years at 18, i hope he isn't the guy that prevents us from cap flex moving forward.

Does he prevent us from getting Lillard or Kawhai if they shake free?

I like Cam Payne for this team.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:30 pm : link
Cameron Payne is not a terrible option but Fournier/Payne/Oubre replacing Bullock/Burks/Rose would seemingly be a very marginal upgrade
RE: Knox wants to relive the best part of his career...  
JB_in_DC : 8/2/2021 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15319903 Italianju said:
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Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.


He'll still be 2 years younger than Duarte in SL.
Beal  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:32 pm : link
has been given indication he will be "alerted" regarding roster moves and they will look to build around him. Kinda surprised he opted to stay.
I've seen Oubre  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 2:34 pm : link
brought up a few times and I don't get it.
RE: I've seen Oubre  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15319918 Enzo said:
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brought up a few times and I don't get it.


Berman has pushed oubre all offseason, he has to stick to that..
Fournier w/b an upgrade but not a huge one. 18m per is a fair salary.  
Ira : 8/2/2021 2:38 pm : link
I wouldn't worry about his d. It was ok at Boston and players d improves when they start playing for Thibs.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:38 pm : link
Cameron Payne is shooting 45% from 3 over his last 195 attempts
Payne and Fournier  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 2:40 pm : link
Aren’t superstars but I think the upgrade is being understated by some. A big issue against the hawks was shooting 3s. Both guys do it very well.
RE: Summer  
Del Shofner : 8/2/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15319866 DanMetroMan said:
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League roster Link - ( New Window )


What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
Count me in for signing Payne and resigning Rose  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 2:41 pm : link
I think that's a much better option than most scenarios discussed thus far
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 2:43 pm : link
also on board with Payne and Rose.

Keeps flexibility to add more and Payne is entering his prime.
RE: RE: Summer  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15319931 Del Shofner said:
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League roster Link - ( New Window )



What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?

IQ will almost certainly start. Guessing him and Grimes are the starting backcourt. IQ is probably playing in summer league so he can work on his point guard skills.
Getting close with Cam Payne.  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 2:49 pm : link
Will be considered a steal.
Satisfaction  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 2:50 pm : link
I'd be pleased if the Knicks came out of this FA period with DeRozen, Payne and Rose and some flexibility for the future. The Payne and Rose thing was reported by Berman, so I'm skeptical.
Jokubaitis  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:51 pm : link
sure looks like fun
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Getting close with Cam Payne.  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15319942 ajr2456 said:
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Will be considered a steal.


I'm gonna guess 3 years 30 mil.
Knicksfantv  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:54 pm : link
reporting they are getting close on 3 for 54 with Fournier, no idea if they have broken stories before but they are considered "legit" normally.
CP from Knicks fan tv  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 2:54 pm : link
says 3 years 18 milliob for fournier
RE: Getting close with Cam Payne.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15319942 ajr2456 said:
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Will be considered a steal.

Nice, thanks for the info. Knicks continuing their streak of not making boneheaded moves (assuming Payne means no Schroder).
RE: Getting close with Cam Payne.  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15319942 ajr2456 said:
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Will be considered a steal.

eh, gotta see the numbers but hopefully it's not a big commitment. He's a stopgap at best, right? Maybe he comes here to try and build his value on a short term deal so that he can really cash in in a year or two - assuming he plays well.
Payne's  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:57 pm : link
improved 3 ball is interesting.
Keep in mind  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 3:01 pm : link
Payne and Fournier are all tradeable contracts if and when someone like SGA or Mitchell shake loose.
What  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:07 pm : link
this says to me is Fournier at 3 for 18 is a fair deal

The Athletic NBA
@TheAthleticNBA
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1h
League sources expect the price on Duncan Robinson to land in the $18 million a year range, @johnhollinger
writes.

“The Heat will likely match offers on the restricted free agent at this price point.”
RE: No to Tim Hardaway  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15319765 Leg of Theismann said:
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Fool me once. I understand he finally had one good year for the first time in 8 years, but this would be the 3rd time we're acquiring him and the first 2 times did not go well. Part of me gets the feeling if his name wasn't Tim Hardaway Jr. we wouldn't be talking about giving him another chance at $22M per year after just one good year of shooting.


I have use for Hardaway here again but both instances were fine, the Knicks just panicked and treated his contract like it was a leper. They didn't have to move him, we know that now. He's a serviceable wing. He's also quite likely going to get a similar contract. Not here, but things weren't bad here at all.
I have NO use for Hardaway  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:08 pm : link
that should say
RE: Keep in mind  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15319963 ajr2456 said:
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Payne and Fournier are all tradeable contracts if and when someone like SGA or Mitchell shake loose.


Yeah, as long as the deals are not super long, both of those guys are contributors that can be moved pretty easily, I'd think.
Sure  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:10 pm : link
sounds like Lowry lands in Miami
RE: RE: 18 per is meh  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15319806 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense



That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.


Everyone plays D under Thibs. OR I should say, the team plays D under Thibs. Knicks didn't have more than 1 big time defender on the floor at any given time last season yet they still killed the league on D.

Knicks  
Professor Falken : 8/2/2021 3:13 pm : link
need a lefty shooting coach.
Payne I like  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 3:13 pm : link
Better then some of the other options oit there in FA.
Kristian  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:17 pm : link
Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range
RE: Kristian  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


No thanks
RE: Kristian  
PwndPapi : 8/2/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


Not a bad deal for a former 2nd round pick who still can't shoot a lick 7 years in.
Woj says he expects a flurry of action toniggt  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 3:24 pm : link
..
It's pretty silly  
GGGGmen : 8/2/2021 3:27 pm : link
so many of these deals and trades have already been worked out but nothing can be reported until 6pm.

Once it's 6:01pm I'd expect Woj and other insiders to have rapid fire tweets/reports of deals that will make our heads spin.
young ascending player like Payne  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:28 pm : link
and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.

We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.

If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
RE: Kristian  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range

I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
Lowry  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:33 pm : link
expected to sign for 3 years 75-90 million per Mannix, Miami indeed the favorites
RE: young ascending player like Payne  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15319988 djm said:
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and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.

We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.

If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.


Payne, Fournier, Quickly, Grimes, McBride is a major backcourt upgrade
RE: RE: Kristian  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15319989 Enzo said:
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In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:


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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.

I'd much rather sign Payne at half that number on a 1-2 year deal personally
Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:34 pm : link
Several execs say it’s possible Oladipo, 29, could go unsigned for the next few months, until he can show he is ready to play.
I'd think that one benefit of going with Payne instead of a  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 3:37 pm : link
big ticket option would be that it would also increase the likelihood that they bring back DRose.
RE: RE: Kristian  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/2/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15319989 Enzo said:
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In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:


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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.


Me too. Really like Dinwiddie.
FWIW  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:38 pm : link
Hollinger has Dinwiddie the #6 available PG, Caruso 8, Nunn 9, Schroder 10, Rose 11, Jackson 12, Payne 20 but a fair caveat

"20. Cameron Payne, Suns: $3,932,484

Since this rating tracks multiple years, it may be weighing Cameron Payne’s previous failures too heavily. Certainly his 2020-21 warrants a steeper payday: He shot 44.0 percent from 3 in 2020-21 with a 17.4 PER, and while he’s had some ups and downs in the postseason, he had a 29-point, 9-assist Game 2 of the Western Conference finals. Similar to the Clippers’ situation with Reggie Jackson, the Suns have early Bird rights on Payne and can pay him up to the 120 percent of the league average salary, which should be about $11 million. That shouldn’t be a problem in this case, as Payne’s projected salary figures to come in lower than that. I suspect he’ll have considerable interest at or near the midlevel exception, and that the Suns would be pretty motivated to bring him back for another run at the ring."
He  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:40 pm : link
has Fournier his #2 SG worth 3 years 45-50, Burks #6..


Interesting note

14. Talen Horton-Tucker, Lakers (restricted): $5,310,035

The youngest player on the free-agent market, the 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker has the sharks circling because the Lakers may be unwilling to match an expensive offer sheet for him. There are two reasons this is possible: First, the luxury-tax implications could get severe if the Lakers also bring back Dennis Schröder and Alex Caruso and Montrezl Harrell opts in to his $9.7 million deal.

Second, the Lakers’ alternate pathway of using sign-and-trades or the full midlevel exception is already complicated given how hard it will be for them to stay below the luxury-tax apron. That effort becomes virtually impossible if a significant salary for Horton-Tucker is also part of their payroll.

Because Horton-Tucker was a rookie on a two-year deal, he is subject to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas” rule — teams can only offer him the full MLE for the first two years of an offer sheet, which should be about $10 million a year. However, it can rise all the way up to the max in years 3 and 4; this has actually happened, with Miami matching a Brooklyn offer sheet on Tyler Johnson for the entire Arenas-rule max in 2016.

Forking out that much for Horton-Tucker would likely be regrettable, but he’d be a good get at more reasonable price points. Given L.A.’s other constraints and the Lakers’ current timeline, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him as part of a sign-and-trade that brings back another win-now piece.
Where does Talen Horton-Tucker fit into L.A.’s plans? (Mark J. Rebilas / USA Today)
Great info in this thread!  
AdamBrag : 8/2/2021 3:41 pm : link
Fournier would be a solid pick up. He's a better shooter than anyone on last season's roster, by a lot. He isn't going to drive it to the hoop and he needs to be hidden on defense, but he's really good as a complimentary piece.
I think Lonzo Ball would be perfect  
Dave : 8/2/2021 3:45 pm : link
.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:50 pm : link
NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
Potential 3 team deal being discussed:

Lonzo Ball -> Chicago
Lauri Markkanen -> Charlotte
Devonte Graham -> New Orleans

(Via @Krisplashed
)
Two pieces of news from Jake Fischer:  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 3:58 pm : link
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Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually.


Link - ( New Window )
Burks  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:58 pm : link
expected to re-sign 3 years 30ish, Noel "more than" 10 per

Cam Payne expected to stay with the Suns

All of this per Jake Fischer
He also  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 3:59 pm : link
posted this though:


Cam Payne is expected to return to Phoenix in the ballpark of $6 million per year.

So who the hell is going to be the point guard?  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 4:01 pm : link
based on rumors:

Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel
RE: So who the hell is going to be the point guard?  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15320028 nygiants16 said:
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based on rumors:

Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel


He said Schroder was the "best fit" didn't sound like a rumor vs. his opinion but...
RE: So who the hell is going to be the point guard?  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15320028 nygiants16 said:

Alex Burks and noel resigning  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 4:06 pm : link
At $10 per year for more than 1 year would be awful. What are they thinking.
Hearing Payne  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:06 pm : link
On a possible 1+1 around $14 million
RE: Hearing Payne  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15320037 ajr2456 said:
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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million


Is the +1 a team or player option?
Don't forsake me, Brock Aller.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 4:07 pm : link
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Don’t see  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:07 pm : link
burks getting 3 years.
AJR  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 4:07 pm : link
1 + 1 with Knicks or Suns?

Someone please tel me Noel for $10 million plus is to someone other than the Knicks. If Noel gets $10 million what is Mitch going to get?
RE: RE: Hearing Payne  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15320040 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15320037 ajr2456 said:


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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million



Is the +1 a team or player option?


Unsure
Don't worry about the years until  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 4:08 pm : link
the contract details come out. The Knicks can and likely will structure contracts with a small amount guaranteed for future years.
RE: Hearing Payne  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15320037 ajr2456 said:
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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million


For the Knicks?
Thank  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 4:09 pm : link
god only 2 hours left. I've been refreshing twitter all day and it's mostly just blue balls.
RE: RE: Hearing Payne  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15320048 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15320037 ajr2456 said:


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On a possible 1+1 around $14 million



For the Knicks?


Yea, that’s their offer. Not done yet.
RE: Thank  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15320049 Jon in NYC said:
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god only 2 hours left. I've been refreshing twitter all day and it's mostly just blue balls.


Yup and my mother in law is staying at our house tonight, means i can sneak downstairs and out Knicks fan tv on the ipad, olympics on tv and refresh twitter on my phonr all night lol
AJR  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 4:11 pm : link
Are these Noel and Burks rumors true? Are we basically going to have the same team as last year plus Fournier? What’s the point of locking these guys in for 3 years? The team isn’t going to be even close to contending for a championship for 4 or 5 years if they are locking in these guys on 3 year deals.

100% not  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 4:13 pm : link
saying ajr is wrong but the way Fischer phrased it, it's going to be pretty weird/bad look if he's wrong (Fischer that is)

Doesn't sound like he's implying it's a rumor vs. news.


"Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually. "
Jarret Allen 5yr/$100m in Cleveland, per Stein.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 4:15 pm : link
That's a lotta clams.
Knicks will probably  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 4:19 pm : link
wait to make Burks and Noel official until after they are done with their signings and go over the cap to sign them..

Now if true and Noel gets 10 million, you resigning mitch 12 to 15?
RE: Knicks will probably  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15320065 nygiants16 said:
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wait to make Burks and Noel official until after they are done with their signings and go over the cap to sign them..

Now if true and Noel gets 10 million, you resigning mitch 12 to 15?

Depends, is Noel a 1 year deal? If not, then I'd assume Mitch will be trade bait.
RE: AJR  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15320055 GMEN46 said:
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Are these Noel and Burks rumors true? Are we basically going to have the same team as last year plus Fournier? What’s the point of locking these guys in for 3 years? The team isn’t going to be even close to contending for a championship for 4 or 5 years if they are locking in these guys on 3 year deals.


As far as I know there’s no shot either would be back on longer than a one year deal at that price. Would go against the whole plan of preserving cap space unless there’s a definite upgrade. I could be wrong.
Burks  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 4:21 pm : link
for 3/30 would be a wild pivot from everything we've heard.

If either is longer than 1 year deal  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 4:26 pm : link
Then these would be awful signings for a team that is looking to improve to be come a contender over the next few years. You don’t eat up cap space on these guys for more than 1 year. This is the issue with thibs, he thinks he can win a championship with average talent, it doesn’t work. I really hope Fischer is wrong or every year after the first is non guranteed
It could always be worse.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/2/2021 4:28 pm : link
I refused to believe that Phil would give Joakim Noah all of that money.

In fact, I still don’t think that actually happened.
Suns  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:30 pm : link
Moving on to Caruso if Payne gets a good offer.
Burks/Noel  
five5 : 8/2/2021 4:32 pm : link
these guys aren't signing 1 year deals. Burks is 30 and Noel 26-27. Both made huge impacts last year...let's see what else they do.
RE: It could always be worse.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15320077 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I refused to believe that Phil would give Joakim Noah all of that money.

Oh man, when those rumblings started I figured one-year deal - vet mentor for KP and Hernangomez or something. But no, four fully guaranteed years that are still hurting us.
Depending on what else is on the team  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 4:40 pm : link
but 10 million for a guy who gices 14ppg off the bench is not bad at all..

Noel i could go either way if he leaves fine, if he stays fine
Knicksfilmschool  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 4:44 pm : link
says Fournier is now pushing for a 4th year player option. 4 for 72? F that.
i mean 10 mill really isnt that much..  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 4:52 pm : link
isnt the MLE basically 10 mill a year now?

Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.

The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.
RE: i mean 10 mill really isnt that much..  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15320100 Italianju said:
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isnt the MLE basically 10 mill a year now?

Im 100% on board with bringing burks back at that price. Im less interested in Noel. I mean he was solid, but i feel like you can find guys like Noel (and burks and bullock) toward the end of FA. Especially when we will be the team still able to offer guys like 8 mill instead of 3 mill.

The knicks should hold all the cards with Fournier, whats his other options? LIke who is giving him 4/72. And if he walks, so be it. Kinda like Hayward last year.


Agree completely on Fournier. He's a good player, who I'd like them to sign but his upside is capped and a 4th year player option puts all of the risk on the Knicks. He's not an essential piece.
.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 5:00 pm : link
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
·
40s
Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 5:00 pm : link
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
·
1m
Hearing Reggie Bullock has drawn interest for 3-year, mid-level money. But Knicks would be willing to work out sign-and-trade if they can’t hammer out a deal. If Knicks ink Evan Fournier, Bullock would return to Knicks bench.
id rather have burks that bullock...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 5:07 pm : link
and i cant imagine bringing them both back.
.,.  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 5:08 pm : link
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
Bullock  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 5:08 pm : link
and McBride for Marcus Smart, who says no?
RE: .,.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15320112 Jon in NYC said:
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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per

I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.
Knicks  
Carl in CT : 8/2/2021 5:17 pm : link
Say no. Smart overpaid.
smart is signed for like 1 year and 14 mill right...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 5:22 pm : link
if that is overpaid then the knicks might have an issues getting players signed, haha.

I dont know how i feel bout dinwiddie. I mean if you pair him with a shooter like fournier i guess im ok with it. But again thats gonna be prolly near 40 mill a year for dinwiddie and fournier, just not sure how i feel bout that, ha.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 5:24 pm : link
don't see Marcus Smart as overpaid at all, and I think he'd be quite a fit with Thibs.
RE: RE: .,.  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15320116 Strahan91 said:
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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per


I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.

Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.
another non-shooter around Zion???  
JJ2525 : 8/2/2021 5:35 pm : link
what are they thinking?
RE: RE: RE: .,.  
hitdog42 : 8/2/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15320128 Enzo said:
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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per


I don't understand why New Orleans would pay Dinwiddie what Ball is going to get. At least Ball can shoot from the outside unliked Dinwiddie.


Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.


Agree
RE: RE: RE: .,.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15320128 Enzo said:
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Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.

That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.
Wait... I thought Ball mostly just became an off ball player  
Leg of Theismann : 8/2/2021 5:41 pm : link
because he was playing with Lebron and then Zion and those guys were both given the keys as point forwards? I thought Lonzo was more of a natural ball-handling pass-first PG who could score back in college? I thought that was the whole point of why people think he could be a steal, because he's been playing roles on the Lakers and Pelicans that aren't best suited for his game. IDK. That's just what I heard. I didn't watch a ton of Lonzo in college.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .,.  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15320133 Strahan91 said:
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Dinwiddie can run a team and go get a basket. Ball is more of a complimentary/off-the-ball player. Or at leat he is at this point in his career.


That's sort of my point. Zion should be running the offense. That's where he's at his most dangerous.

yeah but you still need guards who can put pressure on the opposing defense. And they have to replace Bledsoe's minutes (nobody played more than him for NO last year).
RE: Knicksfilmschool  
Anakim : 8/2/2021 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15320094 DanMetroMan said:
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says Fournier is now pushing for a 4th year player option. 4 for 72? F that.


Nooooope. That's the THJ deal. Noooooope.
Mavs going to resign Thjr  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 5:49 pm : link
sounds like they missed out on their top free agent targets..

Marcus Smart is a damned good player  
Mike from SI : 8/2/2021 6:00 pm : link
and I'd be stoked if he joined the Knicks.
Noel seems like Mitch insurance  
adamg : 8/2/2021 7:49 pm : link
Solid. Can take over if Mitch needs to be moved.
Fournier deal done  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 8:06 pm : link
4/$78 per Woj
4th year is a team option  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 8:07 pm : link
Fwiw
My guess is somehow  
eric2425ny : 8/2/2021 9:13 pm : link
LeBron convinces at least 2-3 players to play for a 1/3 of their market price so he can win another title lol
I know I'm going to say the expected...  
Jan in DC : 8/2/2021 9:35 pm : link
but I'm really disappointed.

The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.

Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.

I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.

I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.
RE: I know I'm going to say the expected...  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15320511 Jan in DC said:
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but I'm really disappointed.

The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.

Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.

I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.

I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.


First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..

They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..

you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..

Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..
RE: RE: I know I'm going to say the expected...  
Jan in DC : 8/2/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15320517 nygiants16 said:
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but I'm really disappointed.

The Knicks decided to basically run it back with the same crew, except with Fournier over Bullock. They didn't upgrade the roster, they locked it in and gave everyone a raise.

Next year Mitch and Randle will need to be paid. So it's basically this team. I dunno. We locked into a middling level 4 seed team, if things go right.

I would have rather waited until the end of free agency, got a bunch of guys on one year deals and run a different team, but kept things fluid to have cap space next year. Or take a chance with one of these young players like Ball or whoever.

I mean, I like all most of these guys, but I liked them on the contracts they had last year. The only real growth is Fournier over Bullock, and hoping RJ takes another leap as a player.



First off just by not bringing back Payton they improved the starting point guard spot..

They added an 18ppg player whonis effecient from 3..

you are assuming none of the young players get better and improve..

Also how are they locked in? they have all of their draft picks and then some, they have the ability to trade for a star when he becomes available..


They locked in the players that they had and gave them raises, basically bringing back the same team with one exception. They gave them all multiyear deals, so next year they won't have the cap space that they had this year.

Reggie Bullock was efficient from 3 as well.

I'm just telling you how I feel these free agent signings. If you want to stan and be happy about bringing back the same team, that's fine. I just wanted clear upgrades and other than one exception, they haven't done that at all.
If you want to build through the draft, then you have to lean on/wait  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/3/2021 10:18 am : link
for your players to develop.

Whatever RJ Barrett becomes is the way this team gets better. We're comparing an 18ppg scorer to a 10ppg scoring. One's a backup and one's a bonafide NBA starter.

Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA. Keeping some kind of rim protection was critical to playing Thibs' defense.

You might be one of the only people left who thinks they're paying Mitch. I certainly don't. They'd move him in an instant for a piece they need. I think they just drafted his replacement.
Missing line  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/3/2021 10:19 am : link
"We're comparing an 18ppg scorer to a 10ppg scoring. One's a backup and one's a bonafide NBA starter." This was in reference to Bullock vs Fournier.
Evan Fournier is a true three level scorer.  
Heisenberg : 8/3/2021 10:31 am : link
Bullock was good for the Knicks last year, but you they are different players offensively. Bullock is a spot up shooter, where Fournier can get and make shots from all over the court.

Bullock is a better defender though. Really love how he embraced that role last year.
ill say it again  
djm : 8/3/2021 10:40 am : link
some of you are WAYYYY too obsessed or scared of these contracts. Not every deal is Noah redux or Stat redux or whatever.

Most deals can be traded. As long as the player isn't close to dead or unable to play, they CAN and will be traded.

Some of you are scarred. The Knicks are well coached and the roster is populated with not one single max deal and every player here is either underpaid (Randle) or paid as they should be paid, on 3 year deals. Noel or Burks cannot be traded? Since when? They are making peanuts compared to most NBA vets and both earned a well earned rep as a solid pros.

Not every contract is a death knell. Especially now when the team is well coached. Players aren't running the asylum here anymore.

Knicks couldn't do anything else. You cannot force a player to come here and you cannot just NOT pay vets. Knicks need to field a team that can play. Noel and Burks earned their money and round out the rotation.

Couldn't do much else and this doesn't change the future. Still have a flexible roster and kept the kids. It wasn't fun or exciting, but it's not bad either.
FWIW  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 10:43 am : link
Hollinger had a note yesterday that the Knicks may be looking to "renegotiate" and extend Robinson. Unclear what the renegotiate would mean/entail.
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