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NFT: Eve of NBA free agency and goodbye Frankie Smokes

PhilSimms15 : 8/1/2021 6:27 pm
Going to be a wild week for the NBA as around 1/3 of the league are free agents and the Knicks say goodbye to Frank.
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Chris Paul and Kawhii  
Earl the goat : 8/1/2021 6:37 pm : link
Opted out. Very interesting
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2021 6:38 pm : link
Would be on brand for Sarver not to pony up cash for CP3.

As for Frenchie...we will always have...some nice games here & there.
Sign Leonard outright  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 6:44 pm : link
And SnT for Paul. Boom. Lol. Pipedream, I knot.
Know  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 6:47 pm : link
Not knot.
RE: Sign Leonard outright  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2021 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15319123 robbieballs2003 said:
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And SnT for Paul. Boom. Lol. Pipedream, I knot.


I would want no part of Kawhi right now with his injury and age.
Keeping the majority of our assets and signing two studs via FA  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 6:52 pm : link
Is a perfect scenario. In 3 years you can reset and still have most of your young players. It's a homerun sutuation. It isn't like Paul is young.
Pour one out for Frank  
Anakim : 8/1/2021 6:57 pm : link
And for Greg
How much  
TommyWiseau : 8/1/2021 7:35 pm : link
Actual space do we have? Is it possible to sign Lowry or Paul and Kawhi? I'd imagine he would like to play with Lowry
RE: How much  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15319154 TommyWiseau said:
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Actual space do we have? Is it possible to sign Lowry or Paul and Kawhi? I'd imagine he would like to play with Lowry


Possible? Yes. But none of those guys are coming to NY.

Likely shopping in the next tier for pg (Dinwiddie, Schroeder, Graham) and Wing (Fournier, Oubre, Powell)
RE: How much  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15319154 TommyWiseau said:
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Actual space do we have? Is it possible to sign Lowry or Paul and Kawhi? I'd imagine he would like to play with Lowry


I the the number I saw last was approximately $56 mil but I am not sure if that number includes moving Knox.
The last number  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2021 7:41 pm : link
...
Luca Vildoza can also be waived for nothing  
adamg : 8/1/2021 7:54 pm : link
No cap hit
RE: Luca Vildoza can also be waived for nothing  
adamg : 8/1/2021 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15319167 adamg said:
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No cap hit


according to Macri
Paul and Kawhi are not available  
GMEN46 : 8/1/2021 9:23 pm : link
They are both resigning. I have no interest in giving Fournier 4 years for $80 million, guy can’t play a lick of defense. I also heard on a simmons or Russillo podcasts that Fournier has the worst PER in NBA playoff history for a players that has played at least X amount of games.
Knicks interested  
Earl the goat : 8/1/2021 9:31 pm : link
In Myles Turner
Sounds like Knicks are close on Fournier  
PhilSimms15 : 8/1/2021 9:41 pm : link
Would be a solid pick-up. Depending on cost, of course.
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I firmly believe that Knick writers just  
Carl in CT : 8/1/2021 9:44 pm : link
Read BBI. Everything we say (IE Pacers) then boom here comes a story a couple days later. They all have no intel.0
Woj pretty much confirming Lowry to Miami  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2021 9:48 pm : link
tomorrow via sign and trade.
Precious and Dragic  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2021 9:49 pm : link
would head to Toronto.
One Frenchie out  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/1/2021 9:53 pm : link
One Frenchie in
RE: I firmly believe that Knick writers just  
Strahan91 : 8/1/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15319261 Carl in CT said:
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Read BBI. Everything we say (IE Pacers) then boom here comes a story a couple days later. They all have no intel.0

The Myles Turner rumor came from a Pacers beat writer
Some of us been saying since before draft lots of talking with Pacers  
Carl in CT : 8/1/2021 10:48 pm : link
Then boom it’s in print. Well at least it confirms some of our intel if it’s Indiana writers.
I guess  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:54 pm : link
the only trade that would make sense there would be Obi for Turner.

I'd probably sign up for that if you can also move Mitch, otherwise it's just poor roster management.
How about this as a mock offseason:  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:58 pm : link
Obi for Turner straight up
Fournier at 3 years, 51 mil
IQ, Mitch, Knox, 5 1sts for Lillard

Turner
Randle
RJ
Fournier
Lillard

That's a pretty darn good team.
RE: How about this as a mock offseason:  
adamg : 8/1/2021 11:34 pm : link
In comment 15319301 Jon in NYC said:
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Obi for Turner straight up
Fournier at 3 years, 51 mil
IQ, Mitch, Knox, 5 1sts for Lillard

Turner
Randle
RJ
Fournier
Lillard

That's a pretty darn good team.


I'd rather bring back Rose and Bullock than sign Fournier. But Turner and Lillard would be awesome.
On one year deals that is  
adamg : 8/1/2021 11:35 pm : link
To be able to go after another star next offseason
Macri  
Pete44 : 8/2/2021 12:23 am : link
Thinks Knicks big target is Duncan Robinson
RE: Macri  
adamg : 8/2/2021 12:52 am : link
In comment 15319332 Pete44 said:
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Thinks Knicks big target is Duncan Robinson


That would be interesting. Much better than either Bullock or Fournier. Wonder if he could be had for 20 per.
Duncan R  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 5:56 am : link
As a restricted free agent, the Knicks would have to fashion an offer sheet that would be difficult for Miami to match. Of course knowing Riley, besides negotiating the Lowry deal before free agent talks are allowed, he probably already has a deal in place for Robinson.

My prediction is the Knicks sign Fournier and Schroeder and bring back Bullock and Rose.
Someone would have to convince me what Duncan Robinson  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 7:15 am : link
is better at than Bullock.

I don't believe he's the same or better defender, and he's another guy that seems afraid to shoot.
Adamg  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 7:44 am : link
I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?
RE: Adamg  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:05 am : link
In comment 15319362 GMEN46 said:
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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?


Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank
RE: RE: Adamg  
Earl the goat : 8/2/2021 8:11 am : link
In comment 15319367 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15319362 GMEN46 said:


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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?



Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank


Grimes will make you forget about Bullock
RE: RE: Adamg  
NYG22 : 8/2/2021 8:12 am : link
In comment 15319367 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15319362 GMEN46 said:


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I’m assuming those comments are sarcastic, Duncan Robinson much better than bullock and Fournier and your hoping he can be had for $20 million. If the Knicks big plans are to pay $20 million a year to Duncan Robinson, then I may smash my tv. I will take my chances with Frank Nntklikina hitting corners 3 and locking down people defensively for 1/4 the cost. Robinson shot 41 percent from and cant defend, he is already 27 what am I missing here?



Dont worry Mcbride will make you forget all about Frank


Let's hope MM is a hell of lot better than FN, a bottom of the barrel NBA player. I get a Derek Fisher vibe out of MM (competitive as hell, bulldog type who may be better off ball than as a lead guard).
Just this mentioned on twitter  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:16 am : link
How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?
I think  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 8:19 am : link
you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league.

I just don't think the Heat let him walk.
RE: Just this mentioned on twitter  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15319374 nygiants16 said:
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How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?


Meh. He's fine, better than Elf, sure, but I'm not excited about giving up assets for him.
RE: RE: Just this mentioned on twitter  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15319377 Jon in NYC said:
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How about the Knicks taking on Dragic as the 3rd team in the Lowry sign and trade?



Meh. He's fine, better than Elf, sure, but I'm not excited about giving up assets for him.


you wouldnt have to, they would give you an asset for helping them out
Chris Haynes says  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:23 am : link
Kawhi will listen to offers from other teams
Maybe I'm underselling him as a shooter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 8:33 am : link
but he's literally only a shooter. There's probably a role for a Novak type of sniper but if he's replacing Bullock's spot, he needs to be able to defend too. However we might think of Bullock's defense, Thibs leaned on him and trusted that part of his game.
RE: Maybe I'm underselling him as a shooter  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 8:37 am : link
In comment 15319386 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but he's literally only a shooter. There's probably a role for a Novak type of sniper but if he's replacing Bullock's spot, he needs to be able to defend too. However we might think of Bullock's defense, Thibs leaned on him and trusted that part of his game.


Duncan is more of a taller Redick, he is going to run off screens, trae young is not going to be able to just sit in a corner and guard him...Robinson is not just a spot up shooter..
Duncan would be a great pick up  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 8:47 am : link
He moves exceptionally well without the ball and is a deadeye shooter. He was among the top few in true shooting percentage.

It would be impossible to double team Randle on the block and he would necessitate constant attention.

Robinson is far superior to Bullock, however, no way Miami let’s him go.
Myles Turner stuff isn’t just rumors  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 8:49 am : link
It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame
RE: Myles Turner stuff isn’t just rumors  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 8:49 am : link
In comment 15319391 ajr2456 said:
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It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame


Any idea what'd be going back?
I have a weird  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 9:04 am : link
feeling we're going to get Schroder.
Ehh...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:04 am : link
im not overly excited to sign Duncan to 20 per. He is a very good shooter, but I dont see a guy creating his own shot that often. So he is probably a much better open 3 pt shooter then Bullock but i still just seem him as a 3 pt shooter and im not excited to pay him a ton of money.

I find myself  
NYG22 : 8/2/2021 9:04 am : link
somewhat disappointed in the idea that today will result in something like:

Schroeder - 4y, $18mm per
Fournier - 3y, $20mm per

Mitch Robinson + a first rounder for Myles Turner

I had hoped for something like:

Obi + a first rounder for Collin Sexton
Norman Powell 3y, $20mm per
Richaun Holmes 3y, $8mm
RE: RE: Myles Turner stuff isn’t just rumors  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15319392 Jon in NYC said:
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It has legs. He was part of Plan B if they couldn’t sign Kawhi or trade for Dame



Any idea what'd be going back?


Mitch but unsure of what else. Not close to being done just covering their bases in case they strike out with their top targets
RE: I have a weird  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 9:08 am : link
In comment 15319408 Jon in NYC said:
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feeling we're going to get Schroder.


i do to but Schroeder, Fournier, Rj, Randle, Mitch wouldnt be half bad..

Fill in the bench with the rooks and a couple more vets
if this FO gives...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 9:08 am : link
40 million to Schroeder and Fournier then you might as well just start prepping for that day in 2 seasons when we are excited by the new GM and president we have coming in. Not sure what Schroeder or fournier have done to make us htink they woudl be worth that kind of money. Im ok with fournier for like 15 per, but i have zero interest in schroeder.

I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.
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