NFT: Eve of NBA free agency and goodbye Frankie Smokes

honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade.

At least root for Norm to leave Portland.

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40 million to Schroeder and Fournier then you might as well just start prepping for that day in 2 seasons when we are excited by the new GM and president we have coming in. Not sure what Schroeder or fournier have done to make us htink they woudl be worth that kind of money. Im ok with fournier for like 15 per, but i have zero interest in schroeder. I know there is this idea that Thibs only wants penetrating guards, but if thats the case then someone needs to tell him you need to put shooters around RJ/Randle so getting another shitting 3pt shooting PG (basically one step above Elf) doesnt make sense.

Yeah i dont want Schroeder either, rather Dinwiddie or even Dragic on a 1 year deal..

Either Schroeders agent is using the Knicks to prop him up or the Knicks plan on signing him, a lot of smoke

In comment 15319424 Jon in NYC said:

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honestly go hard after Norm Powell just because it'll help force a Dame trade. At least root for Norm to leave Portland.

Powell is a warrior. Perfect target. And I like your outside of the box thinking as well.

I'd ask for the moon too. A team out there might be dumb or desperate enough.

Schroeder and Dinwiddie are delusional to me

They are preserving cap space. Even something that seems small like the draft picks helps. They go big game hunting. If they get a target then great. If not, then they go for short term deals to preserve their cap space for next offseason with maybe one 3 year deal around 20 mil per.

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you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league.

Nope

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In comment 15319376 Jon in NYC said: Quote: you're underselling Duncan Robinson. He's probably the best shooter this side of Steph and Dame in the league. Nope

Far fewer open looks, also Duncan made more per game. They're similar players.

though. He didn't always get so many open looks.

They are similar types, yes.

Let’s not oversell what he is, he is a poor mans Kyle Korver. Why would we be paying $20 million for that. He plays one side of the ball. Not a fan unless a 1 year deal. I don’t mind overpaying guys on 1 year deals.

im not interested in Duncan that much but to call him a poor mans Korver seems like a bit much. If anything id say he is similar to korver. THing is i wouldnt want to pay prime korver 20+ mill either.

I have a feeling today will end with Schroeder and Fournier as Knicks. It just seems to be moving in that direction.

I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point.

I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.

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I have a feeling today will end with Schroeder and Fournier as Knicks. It just seems to be moving in that direction. I'm not a huge man of either player, but they would be upgrades from last season and probably the best we can do at this point. I'd love to add Myles Turner as well as I think we one place that killed vs. Atlanta was them not covering our centers. Of course, depends on price.

This is basically how I feel too.

If you gave each guy 2 year 40 mil contracts with a team option in year 2 I'd be fine with that. But locking either up long term seems like an iffy call.

or 2 years with a team option. I dont really want schroeder at any cost,, but if its 1 year then sure, why not. Thing is there is no way you are getting guys like Fournier or Schroeder for 1 year. Thowing the second year team option in there would be somewhat meaningless. If the player was so amazing that we want to pay him 20 mill that second year then he woudl be better off being a FA again and if he doesnt play amazing we are just not picking up the option.

Id rather wait on guys like the above and see if they arent getting what they thought they would. Then maybe you can swoop in with a huge 1 year deal. Like if fournier is getting 4/50 type offers maybe he signs for 1/25 or something. Sure its an overpay, but 1 year.

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I don't love Schroeder, but compared to Payton, he is Bob Cousy.

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but i mean why am i paying Schroeder 20 mill when i could prolly get Reggie Jackson for much less. At least less year for sure. Or if we really dont care about shooting just getting a guy like McConnell. I jsut dont understand what people like about schroeder. Like what separates him from other PG's

to replace Bullock/Burks if we decide not to overpay the Fournier's of the world.

Its funny i almost dont want the Knicks to sign anyone today. Today is the day we are going to see the absurd contracts to the avg players. If Kawhi wants to sign, go for it, lol, but otherwise just sit today out.

Do you really think they're going to give multiyear 20 million dollar deals to Fournier and Schroder if they think it will keep them from catching a big fish?

If they can't get someone big, I predict another series of one year deals or deals with team options and kicking the can down the road for one more offseason.

There is legitimately very little cap space this offseason.

Knicks - 54 million
Spurs - 48 million
Mavs - 35 million
OKC - 30 million
Raptors - 23 million.

Think of all the people that are talking about getting 20 million dollars a season or more:

Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley
Lonzo Ball
Duncan Robinson
Dennis Shroeder
John Collins
DeMar DeRozan
Norman Powell
Spencer Dinwiddie
Lauri Markkanen
Evan Fournier

That's a LOT of players for little cap space. I think that some players will end up taking less or shorter deals. They'll have to unless they want to chase rings with the Lakers for the vet minimum.

and because they have the most money and they are the Knicks media assumes they are throwing big money at schroeder..

I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense

float the idea the knicks want to give your guy 20 mill a year and maybe you can get 15 from the team actually interested.

Just stay the course. Now isnt the time to overpay middling guys. There will be good value in like 2 days when the teams who do have space overpay everyone.

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and because they have the most money and they are the Knicks media assumes they are throwing big money at schroeder.. I just dont see it, after all the patience this front office has shown they are going to blow it on Schroeder? doesnt make sense

If they did sign Schroeder my guess is it would be because he can't find a longer term deal and is the best PG available willing to take a 1+1 type deal. He's a solid player, not worth $4/80 but on a one year deal they could do worse. I think the narrative surrounded him has swung too far towards him stinking.

But almost certainly to be a poor value

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And while the Heat still seem focused on finding a path to bring on DeMar DeRozan as well, that does not sound like a requirement for Lowry to join Miami. DeRozan now appears headed for his own significant payday. It’s believed both the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers saw DeRozan as amenable to coming home and chasing a championship in his native city at the taxpayer mid-level exception that would net roughly $5.9 million. That no longer seems to be the case. Lowry’s former running mate was said to have strong interest from New York, Detroit and Dallas, sources told B/R.

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That’s probably because the heavily-rumored Spencer Dinwiddie sign-and-trade to Washington appears to have lost some momentum. Brooklyn has not signaled much interest in taking back either Kyle Kuzma’s or Montrezl Harrell’s contract onto its exorbitant tax bill, sources said, despite the Wizards’ ongoing efforts to move both bigs. There are still scenarios where Dinwiddie could sign with Washington, because the Russell Westbrook trade between the Wizards and Lakers is not official and could always expand to include multiple teams. Yet Dinwiddie now seems like the preferred point guard option in New Orleans, should Lowry indeed sign with Miami. For weeks, there has been a rumored two-year, $40 million offer league sources believe Oklahoma City is prepared to make Dinwiddie as well.

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Seems like a ton of smoke around Fournier. He's a solid 4th or 5th starter but 4/80 seems like a lot to me, especially if Bullock will be like 3/30. I get that Fournier can initiate offense and the playoffs showed we need more guys who can do that, but not sure I think it would be worth that much more money.

ill believe when i see it that Derozan takes a 20 million dollar pay cut

but that doesnt make him good. He is a low % scoring PG who has maxed out at 6 assists a game and usually produces a not impressive 2/1 assist to turnover ratio. Just not sure what he brings that is a big upgrade to a team that he is worth 20 mill a year.

but i understand the tax concerns makes it prolly not worth it. THats the problem i guess when 3 guys make like 120 mill, lol.

at the top of the market then they should just run it back with vets who are willing to take one year deals. If you're patient, you can can get guys 80%-90% as good as Fournier and Shroder for a lot less money.

Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.

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Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him.

He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..

But based on their behavior the past 2 seasons up to and including the draft where they maneuvered to save every nickel of cap space they could, what gives anyone the idea that this management team is gonna give Schroeder and Fournier 3 or 4 year big money deals? They clearly needed more shooters at the deadline but didn't panic and over pay for anyone. They loved shooters in the draft like Murphy but didn't panic and over pay to move up. Yet suddenly they're gonna panic and bust their nut on those 2 idiots?

reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham.

I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.

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In comment 15319529 Pete44 said: Quote: Hahn is killing the Knicks on twitter, saying there is no buzz or creativity in making moves vs. Heat and Lakers. It is very out of character for him. NY Giants read his twitter, he was killing the Knicks, saying that all of this cap space can't lead to Denis Schroeder. He might have backed off of it on facebook live, but he was definitely showing some frustration. He just went on facebook live and basically said rose and wes do not talk to anyone and that is why there is no Buzz..he wasnt killing the Knicks he was just saying no one knows what they are doing..

pass on Schroder. He thinks he's better than he is and has limited upside. I know the Knicks need a PG but I'd pass on him.

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reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham. I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.

Awful for Charlotte if true

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reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham. I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.

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Update on my update: Could very well be Lonzo and Graham in double sign-and-trade, but *NOT* with Lonzo Ball going to Charlotte. Bulls remain very much in play for Ball. Could end up a very complex transaction if this happens.

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reported a sign n trade between Charlotte and New Orleans with Lonzo Ball joining LaMello in Charlotte for Devonta Graham. I don't have access to the Athletic, but that was in the headline.

He's updated that. He hears its Ball to Chicago and Graham to New Orleans in a multi-team deal.

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if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch

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He is not a fit for what Thibs likes at Point..

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I think they just don't like the fit. Thibs likes point guards who can break defenders down and penetrate which Lonzo can't. 4 years at ~$20M per is a big investment for someone you're unsure of as a fit on your team.

In comment 15319552 DanMetroMan said:

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if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch

"Big Offer to Fournier" is scary.

Like the idea of extending Mitch.

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if it's been mentioned on here already but Hollinger is hearing the Knicks will make a big offer to Fournier and may in-fact "renegotiate and extend" Mitch

I mentioned this yesterday i have a friend who used to work for the Celtics and he told me that the celtics feel Fournier is going to Knicks

the Celtics think Fournier to the Knicks is going to happen.

is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.

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is solid, 29 for 2022, good shooter and a plus teammate. Kinda scared to see this offer if the Celtics passed considering they pretty openly wanted to keep him.

This is how I feel. He's not a big name, exciting signing but he's a good player and would be a solid upgrade

obnoxious to such an underwhelming sign I'm going to have to stay off twitter.

shit themselves over Fournier they need to grow thicker skin. He's a perfectly fine starting SG for a good team. He's a great 4th scoring option.

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obnoxious to such an underwhelming sign I'm going to have to stay off twitter.

Deja vu to when the Giants first FA move was John Ross