DeRozan still rates as a minus defender, needs 3-point shooting around him to thrive and turns 32 in early August. As a result, I’d expect to sign for two years and $30-35 million or so. But the question is where, exactly — especially since it might not make sense for the rebuilding Spurs to bring him back. Could the Knicks be a fit if they lose Alec Burks? Could Dallas turn to him if it misses out on its more prominent targets? Could we (gasp) get a second act in Toronto?
i mean 18 mill in the NBA isnt really that high...
but it does still feel like more then i want to pay Fournier. If its 3/54 i can live with it. We are a better team with him. Still weird that we are interested in him now, but didnt trade for him at the deadline.
Keeping it at 3 years would really change my view - 3/54 vs. 4/72 is a big difference.
In thinking about PG options, I wonder if there is a trade out there that hasn't been sniffed out that makes sense. One of the Spurs guys? Dragic? None of the PG options really seem sensible to me so I feel like there must be something else out there.
but I'd have to see what some of the other contracts come in at. I will say that we basically signind Hardaway to almost that same number 4 years ago, lol. Fucking Mills...
according to haybes they may make an agressive offer to Graham..
also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
Collecting assets seems to be what they do. They're in no position to actually compete, why would they be looking to add an expensive PG like Dinwiddie.
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
“Otto Porter Jr. and Rudy Gay are two players the [Utah] Jazz hold interest in,” wrote Tony Jones of The Athletic. “But those names also come with caveats. Gay is thought to be leaning toward the Los Angeles Lakers. Porter is thought to be leaning to the Brooklyn Nets. In free agency, anything can happen.”
Drafting Mitchell was a huge head scratcher especially with Fox around. Would they be open to trading Fox at all? Really confused as to what they are trying to do there.
Justin Patton is still only 24 years old and “recently” went 16th overall. Not saying he’s anything but not a bad option to get a look at in summer ball #Knicks
RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
he isnt special, but he is solid. ANd id assume will either be cheap or a 1 year deal. Id much rather sign him to 1/15 then sign schroeder thats for sure. I know we arent going to get all excited about adding a couple late first round guys and then Jackson/Fournier, but we would be improving. If we did go with a Jackson type id really like to bring Rose back.
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
He's a small forward. He'd mostly take Bullock's minutes. The Knicks need guys who can score down the stretch of close games. When Randle wasn't hot, they struggled because RJ is not that guy yet. Derozan is definitely that guy. He wouldn't help with spacing. But he could play a big role as basically the primary ball handler and lessen the need for a big time PG.
I'm not married to the idea of signing Derozan - he will be expensive and does have some limitations to his game - but I do see a fit.
if you are bringing in Derozen you have to be 150%
sure that RJ's shooting wasnt a mirage. Im not saying i think it is but if he reverts back to a 32% 3pt guy and you are playing him and Derozen 36 minutes a game together that could be ugly. DErozen is a much better NBA player then Fournier, but fournier is the much better fit for us.
Barrett won't blow people away as a one on one defender at the 2, but he would help the team defense with his long arms, and of course he would be a better rebounder than most 2's. His ability to get 3's for himself, as opposed to only catch and shoot, will improve, and with his still-growing strength, he will beat up on most 2s.
Putting Fournier at the 3 works nicely, especially if they can keep either Bullock or Burks for the back-up big 2/3. The smaller backup 2 is Quickley, of course, so there is a bigger need at backup 3.
With the Suns likely to make Chris Paul a three-year, $90-plus million offer that will keep him in Phoenix, the Knicks may be in line to snare his backup – young lefty free agent Cam Payne.
The Knicks have considered a no-frills point-guard scenario with Payne and Derrick Rose splitting minutes in 2021-22.
Signing Payne would leave the Knicks room to sign two other players of note, potentially wing scorer Evan Fournier and Kelly Oubre Jr., and perhaps make an attempt to bring back center Nerlens Noel.
My dream is dead. Oh well. Good for Curry - he should be a lifelong Warrior at this point.
That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Don't love it. Assuming he plays the 3 and Barrett sticks at the 2?
You are getting an effecient 18ppg player, immediately improves the offense which was much needed
In thinking about PG options, I wonder if there is a trade out there that hasn't been sniffed out that makes sense. One of the Spurs guys? Dragic? None of the PG options really seem sensible to me so I feel like there must be something else out there.
Unkess Derozan at point?
Another Kentucky guy as well and the Knicks desperately need a playmaking point guard. Not sure what it would take - a pick or two, Toppin, Knox.
Thoughts? Not sure who else is out there on the trade market but I think Fox can be had based on the positional depth of the Kings.
also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
Collecting assets seems to be what they do. They're in no position to actually compete, why would they be looking to add an expensive PG like Dinwiddie.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.
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Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
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Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more
I wouldn’t sit around this week waiting for an SGA trade.
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
Derozan is a power forward?
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.
Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.
At the same position Randle plays though?
He's a small forward. He'd mostly take Bullock's minutes. The Knicks need guys who can score down the stretch of close games. When Randle wasn't hot, they struggled because RJ is not that guy yet. Derozan is definitely that guy. He wouldn't help with spacing. But he could play a big role as basically the primary ball handler and lessen the need for a big time PG.
I'm not married to the idea of signing Derozan - he will be expensive and does have some limitations to his game - but I do see a fit.
Putting Fournier at the 3 works nicely, especially if they can keep either Bullock or Burks for the back-up big 2/3. The smaller backup 2 is Quickley, of course, so there is a bigger need at backup 3.
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Regarding Kevin Knox II, Knox informed the Knicks that he wanted to play in Summer League, per sources.
Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.
The Knicks have considered a no-frills point-guard scenario with Payne and Derrick Rose splitting minutes in 2021-22.
Does he prevent us from getting Lillard or Kawhai if they shake free?
I like Cam Payne for this team.
Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.
He'll still be 2 years younger than Duarte in SL.
Berman has pushed oubre all offseason, he has to stick to that..