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NFT: Eve of NBA free agency and goodbye Frankie Smokes

PhilSimms15 : 8/1/2021 6:27 pm
Going to be a wild week for the NBA as around 1/3 of the league are free agents and the Knicks say goodbye to Frank.
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Im  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:21 pm : link
Assuming 3 for 54
RE: Curry  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15319792 DanMetroMan said:
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4 for 215 with GSW

My dream is dead. Oh well. Good for Curry - he should be a lifelong Warrior at this point.
18 per is meh  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 1:22 pm : link
Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense
3/$54 is fine for Fournier.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 1:23 pm : link
Can't give out 10 one-year deals in FA every summer - that contract can be moved in a second if space is needed in the future.
RE: 18 per is meh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15319803 TommyWiseau said:
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense


That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:24 pm : link
DeRozan still rates as a minus defender, needs 3-point shooting around him to thrive and turns 32 in early August. As a result, I’d expect to sign for two years and $30-35 million or so. But the question is where, exactly — especially since it might not make sense for the rebuilding Spurs to bring him back. Could the Knicks be a fit if they lose Alec Burks? Could Dallas turn to him if it misses out on its more prominent targets? Could we (gasp) get a second act in Toronto?
i mean 18 mill in the NBA isnt really that high...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 1:24 pm : link
but it does still feel like more then i want to pay Fournier. If its 3/54 i can live with it. We are a better team with him. Still weird that we are interested in him now, but didnt trade for him at the deadline.
RE: 18m a year fournier to knicks  
PwndPapi : 8/2/2021 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15319794 nygiants16 said:
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is expectation around the league accorsing to Fischer


Don't love it. Assuming he plays the 3 and Barrett sticks at the 2?
RE: 18 per is meh  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15319803 TommyWiseau said:
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense


You are getting an effecient 18ppg player, immediately improves the offense which was much needed
doesnt the max salary vs salary cap thing seem to be getting a bit off  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 1:26 pm : link
i mean Curry is going to take up like half the cap, ha
Fournier's D Plus/Minus was actually positive with Boston  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 1:27 pm : link
so there's some hope for him on that end
Fournier  
31southst : 8/2/2021 1:28 pm : link
Keeping it at 3 years would really change my view - 3/54 vs. 4/72 is a big difference.

In thinking about PG options, I wonder if there is a trade out there that hasn't been sniffed out that makes sense. One of the Spurs guys? Dragic? None of the PG options really seem sensible to me so I feel like there must be something else out there.
I don't love Fournier at that number  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 1:31 pm : link
but I'd have to see what some of the other contracts come in at. I will say that we basically signind Hardaway to almost that same number 4 years ago, lol. Fucking Mills...
I like Fournier.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2021 1:34 pm : link
And he can be used as a trade chip too for a star to balance out contracts if need be. He will always have value with the way he shoots.
Begley  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 1:37 pm : link
says there's mutual Derozan interest, but there's no way they add both him and Fournier.
RE: Begley  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15319824 Jon in NYC said:
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says there's mutual Derozan interest, but there's no way they add both him and Fournier.


Unkess Derozan at point?
I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:40 pm : link
Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.

I'd really like to  
GGGGmen : 8/2/2021 1:43 pm : link
see the Knicks make a run at De'aaron Fox. The Kings drafted Mitchell and with Fox and Halliburton you have 3 point guards who need the ball.

Another Kentucky guy as well and the Knicks desperately need a playmaking point guard. Not sure what it would take - a pick or two, Toppin, Knox.

Thoughts? Not sure who else is out there on the trade market but I think Fox can be had based on the positional depth of the Kings.
Why are OKC interested in adding another point?  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:44 pm : link
according to haybes they may make an agressive offer to Graham..

also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie
RE: Why are OKC interested in adding another point?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15319837 nygiants16 said:
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according to haybes they may make an agressive offer to Graham..

also talk they are interested jn Dinwiddie


Collecting assets seems to be what they do. They're in no position to actually compete, why would they be looking to add an expensive PG like Dinwiddie.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:48 pm : link
Expected to show interest in Reggie Jackson
RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15319830 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.


Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.

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DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 1:56 pm : link
“Otto Porter Jr. and Rudy Gay are two players the [Utah] Jazz hold interest in,” wrote Tony Jones of The Athletic. “But those names also come with caveats. Gay is thought to be leaning toward the Los Angeles Lakers. Porter is thought to be leaning to the Brooklyn Nets. In free agency, anything can happen.”
Are the Knicks signing  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 1:58 pm : link
both Derozan and Fournier?
Can confirm  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 1:58 pm : link
Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.
RE: Can confirm  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15319861 ajr2456 said:
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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.

Thanks, let us know the status of any other:
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Available
Summer  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:04 pm : link
League roster
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Kings  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 2:05 pm : link
Drafting Mitchell was a huge head scratcher especially with Fox around. Would they be open to trading Fox at all? Really confused as to what they are trying to do there.
RE: RE: Can confirm  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15319865 bceagle05 said:
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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.


Thanks, let us know the status of any other:
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Available


Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
Justin Patton is still only 24 years old and “recently” went 16th overall. Not saying he’s anything but not a bad option to get a look at in summer ball #Knicks
RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15319856 Heisenberg said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.




Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.


At the same position Randle plays though?
RE: RE: RE: Can confirm  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15319872 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 15319861 ajr2456 said:


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Fournier is 90% done. Likely 3 or 4 years.


Thanks, let us know the status of any other:
Starting
Guards
Available



Spoke to my buddy.. other then the Knicks making a call about him the other day, he has not heard anything. Maybe AJ heard more


I wouldn’t sit around this week waiting for an SGA trade.
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15319874 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.




Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.




At the same position Randle plays though?


Derozan is a power forward?
Derozan  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 2:12 pm : link
spent most of his minutes at PF for the Spurs last year.
I see Kevin Knox  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 2:13 pm : link
is taking the Nate Robinson approach to summer league.
i like Reggie Jackson...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 2:14 pm : link
he isnt special, but he is solid. ANd id assume will either be cheap or a 1 year deal. Id much rather sign him to 1/15 then sign schroeder thats for sure. I know we arent going to get all excited about adding a couple late first round guys and then Jackson/Fournier, but we would be improving. If we did go with a Jackson type id really like to bring Rose back.
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time seeing how DeRozan fits  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15319874 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Midrange guy, absolutely not a 3pt shooter. Creaky defender.




Dude gets buckets and is very underrated as a facilitator. Almost 7 APG last year. Knicks really could use his offense, despite his lack of 3pt shooting.




At the same position Randle plays though?


He's a small forward. He'd mostly take Bullock's minutes. The Knicks need guys who can score down the stretch of close games. When Randle wasn't hot, they struggled because RJ is not that guy yet. Derozan is definitely that guy. He wouldn't help with spacing. But he could play a big role as basically the primary ball handler and lessen the need for a big time PG.

I'm not married to the idea of signing Derozan - he will be expensive and does have some limitations to his game - but I do see a fit.
if you are bringing in Derozen you have to be 150%  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 2:17 pm : link
sure that RJ's shooting wasnt a mirage. Im not saying i think it is but if he reverts back to a 32% 3pt guy and you are playing him and Derozen 36 minutes a game together that could be ugly. DErozen is a much better NBA player then Fournier, but fournier is the much better fit for us.
I like the Fournier idea.  
manh george : 8/2/2021 2:19 pm : link
Barrett won't blow people away as a one on one defender at the 2, but he would help the team defense with his long arms, and of course he would be a better rebounder than most 2's. His ability to get 3's for himself, as opposed to only catch and shoot, will improve, and with his still-growing strength, he will beat up on most 2s.

Putting Fournier at the 3 works nicely, especially if they can keep either Bullock or Burks for the back-up big 2/3. The smaller backup 2 is Quickley, of course, so there is a bigger need at backup 3.
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DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:23 pm : link
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
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19m
Regarding Kevin Knox II, Knox informed the Knicks that he wanted to play in Summer League, per sources.
Knox wants to relive the best part of his career...  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 2:27 pm : link
.....

Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:27 pm : link
With the Suns likely to make Chris Paul a three-year, $90-plus million offer that will keep him in Phoenix, the Knicks may be in line to snare his backup – young lefty free agent Cam Payne.

The Knicks have considered a no-frills point-guard scenario with Payne and Derrick Rose splitting minutes in 2021-22.
More from Berman  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:28 pm : link
Signing Payne would leave the Knicks room to sign two other players of note, potentially wing scorer Evan Fournier and Kelly Oubre Jr., and perhaps make an attempt to bring back center Nerlens Noel.
Fournier improves the team  
RAIN : 8/2/2021 2:29 pm : link
No question. If he's in for 3 years at 18, i hope he isn't the guy that prevents us from cap flex moving forward.

Does he prevent us from getting Lillard or Kawhai if they shake free?

I like Cam Payne for this team.
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DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:30 pm : link
Cameron Payne is not a terrible option but Fournier/Payne/Oubre replacing Bullock/Burks/Rose would seemingly be a very marginal upgrade
RE: Knox wants to relive the best part of his career...  
JB_in_DC : 8/2/2021 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15319903 Italianju said:
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Im all for a guy like him playing. Id rather knox working on stuff then some guy who has no shot of making the roster.


He'll still be 2 years younger than Duarte in SL.
Beal  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:32 pm : link
has been given indication he will be "alerted" regarding roster moves and they will look to build around him. Kinda surprised he opted to stay.
I've seen Oubre  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 2:34 pm : link
brought up a few times and I don't get it.
RE: I've seen Oubre  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15319918 Enzo said:
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brought up a few times and I don't get it.


Berman has pushed oubre all offseason, he has to stick to that..
Fournier w/b an upgrade but not a huge one. 18m per is a fair salary.  
Ira : 8/2/2021 2:38 pm : link
I wouldn't worry about his d. It was ok at Boston and players d improves when they start playing for Thibs.
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