What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
IQ will almost certainly start. Guessing him and Grimes are the starting backcourt. IQ is probably playing in summer league so he can work on his point guard skills.
I'd be pleased if the Knicks came out of this FA period with DeRozen, Payne and Rose and some flexibility for the future. The Payne and Rose thing was reported by Berman, so I'm skeptical.
eh, gotta see the numbers but hopefully it's not a big commitment. He's a stopgap at best, right? Maybe he comes here to try and build his value on a short term deal so that he can really cash in in a year or two - assuming he plays well.
this says to me is Fournier at 3 for 18 is a fair deal
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League sources expect the price on Duncan Robinson to land in the $18 million a year range, @johnhollinger
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“The Heat will likely match offers on the restricted free agent at this price point.”
Fool me once. I understand he finally had one good year for the first time in 8 years, but this would be the 3rd time we're acquiring him and the first 2 times did not go well. Part of me gets the feeling if his name wasn't Tim Hardaway Jr. we wouldn't be talking about giving him another chance at $22M per year after just one good year of shooting.
I have use for Hardaway here again but both instances were fine, the Knicks just panicked and treated his contract like it was a leper. They didn't have to move him, we know that now. He's a serviceable wing. He's also quite likely going to get a similar contract. Not here, but things weren't bad here at all.
Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense
That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Everyone plays D under Thibs. OR I should say, the team plays D under Thibs. Knicks didn't have more than 1 big time defender on the floor at any given time last season yet they still killed the league on D.
and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
Payne, Fournier, Quickly, Grimes, McBride is a major backcourt upgrade
Hollinger has Dinwiddie the #6 available PG, Caruso 8, Nunn 9, Schroder 10, Rose 11, Jackson 12, Payne 20 but a fair caveat
"20. Cameron Payne, Suns: $3,932,484
Since this rating tracks multiple years, it may be weighing Cameron Payne’s previous failures too heavily. Certainly his 2020-21 warrants a steeper payday: He shot 44.0 percent from 3 in 2020-21 with a 17.4 PER, and while he’s had some ups and downs in the postseason, he had a 29-point, 9-assist Game 2 of the Western Conference finals. Similar to the Clippers’ situation with Reggie Jackson, the Suns have early Bird rights on Payne and can pay him up to the 120 percent of the league average salary, which should be about $11 million. That shouldn’t be a problem in this case, as Payne’s projected salary figures to come in lower than that. I suspect he’ll have considerable interest at or near the midlevel exception, and that the Suns would be pretty motivated to bring him back for another run at the ring."
The youngest player on the free-agent market, the 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker has the sharks circling because the Lakers may be unwilling to match an expensive offer sheet for him. There are two reasons this is possible: First, the luxury-tax implications could get severe if the Lakers also bring back Dennis Schröder and Alex Caruso and Montrezl Harrell opts in to his $9.7 million deal.
Second, the Lakers’ alternate pathway of using sign-and-trades or the full midlevel exception is already complicated given how hard it will be for them to stay below the luxury-tax apron. That effort becomes virtually impossible if a significant salary for Horton-Tucker is also part of their payroll.
Because Horton-Tucker was a rookie on a two-year deal, he is subject to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas” rule — teams can only offer him the full MLE for the first two years of an offer sheet, which should be about $10 million a year. However, it can rise all the way up to the max in years 3 and 4; this has actually happened, with Miami matching a Brooklyn offer sheet on Tyler Johnson for the entire Arenas-rule max in 2016.
Forking out that much for Horton-Tucker would likely be regrettable, but he’d be a good get at more reasonable price points. Given L.A.’s other constraints and the Lakers’ current timeline, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him as part of a sign-and-trade that brings back another win-now piece.
Where does Talen Horton-Tucker fit into L.A.’s plans? (Mark J. Rebilas / USA Today)
Fournier would be a solid pick up. He's a better shooter than anyone on last season's roster, by a lot. He isn't going to drive it to the hoop and he needs to be hidden on defense, but he's really good as a complimentary piece.
Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually.
What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
Keeps flexibility to add more and Payne is entering his prime.
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What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
IQ will almost certainly start. Guessing him and Grimes are the starting backcourt. IQ is probably playing in summer league so he can work on his point guard skills.
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I'm gonna guess 3 years 30 mil.
Nice, thanks for the info. Knicks continuing their streak of not making boneheaded moves (assuming Payne means no Schroder).
eh, gotta see the numbers but hopefully it's not a big commitment. He's a stopgap at best, right? Maybe he comes here to try and build his value on a short term deal so that he can really cash in in a year or two - assuming he plays well.
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League sources expect the price on Duncan Robinson to land in the $18 million a year range, @johnhollinger
writes.
“The Heat will likely match offers on the restricted free agent at this price point.”
I have use for Hardaway here again but both instances were fine, the Knicks just panicked and treated his contract like it was a leper. They didn't have to move him, we know that now. He's a serviceable wing. He's also quite likely going to get a similar contract. Not here, but things weren't bad here at all.
Yeah, as long as the deals are not super long, both of those guys are contributors that can be moved pretty easily, I'd think.
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense
That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.
Everyone plays D under Thibs. OR I should say, the team plays D under Thibs. Knicks didn't have more than 1 big time defender on the floor at any given time last season yet they still killed the league on D.
No thanks
Not a bad deal for a former 2nd round pick who still can't shoot a lick 7 years in.
Once it's 6:01pm I'd expect Woj and other insiders to have rapid fire tweets/reports of deals that will make our heads spin.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.
If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
Payne, Fournier, Quickly, Grimes, McBride is a major backcourt upgrade
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I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
I'd much rather sign Payne at half that number on a 1-2 year deal personally
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range
I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
Me too. Really like Dinwiddie.
"20. Cameron Payne, Suns: $3,932,484
Since this rating tracks multiple years, it may be weighing Cameron Payne’s previous failures too heavily. Certainly his 2020-21 warrants a steeper payday: He shot 44.0 percent from 3 in 2020-21 with a 17.4 PER, and while he’s had some ups and downs in the postseason, he had a 29-point, 9-assist Game 2 of the Western Conference finals. Similar to the Clippers’ situation with Reggie Jackson, the Suns have early Bird rights on Payne and can pay him up to the 120 percent of the league average salary, which should be about $11 million. That shouldn’t be a problem in this case, as Payne’s projected salary figures to come in lower than that. I suspect he’ll have considerable interest at or near the midlevel exception, and that the Suns would be pretty motivated to bring him back for another run at the ring."
Interesting note
14. Talen Horton-Tucker, Lakers (restricted): $5,310,035
The youngest player on the free-agent market, the 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker has the sharks circling because the Lakers may be unwilling to match an expensive offer sheet for him. There are two reasons this is possible: First, the luxury-tax implications could get severe if the Lakers also bring back Dennis Schröder and Alex Caruso and Montrezl Harrell opts in to his $9.7 million deal.
Second, the Lakers’ alternate pathway of using sign-and-trades or the full midlevel exception is already complicated given how hard it will be for them to stay below the luxury-tax apron. That effort becomes virtually impossible if a significant salary for Horton-Tucker is also part of their payroll.
Because Horton-Tucker was a rookie on a two-year deal, he is subject to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas” rule — teams can only offer him the full MLE for the first two years of an offer sheet, which should be about $10 million a year. However, it can rise all the way up to the max in years 3 and 4; this has actually happened, with Miami matching a Brooklyn offer sheet on Tyler Johnson for the entire Arenas-rule max in 2016.
Forking out that much for Horton-Tucker would likely be regrettable, but he’d be a good get at more reasonable price points. Given L.A.’s other constraints and the Lakers’ current timeline, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him as part of a sign-and-trade that brings back another win-now piece.
Where does Talen Horton-Tucker fit into L.A.’s plans? (Mark J. Rebilas / USA Today)
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Potential 3 team deal being discussed:
Lonzo Ball -> Chicago
Lauri Markkanen -> Charlotte
Devonte Graham -> New Orleans
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Cam Payne expected to stay with the Suns
All of this per Jake Fischer
Cam Payne is expected to return to Phoenix in the ballpark of $6 million per year.
Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel
Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel
He said Schroder was the "best fit" didn't sound like a rumor vs. his opinion but...