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NFT: Eve of NBA free agency and goodbye Frankie Smokes

PhilSimms15 : 8/1/2021 6:27 pm
Going to be a wild week for the NBA as around 1/3 of the league are free agents and the Knicks say goodbye to Frank.
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DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:38 pm : link
Cameron Payne is shooting 45% from 3 over his last 195 attempts
Payne and Fournier  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 2:40 pm : link
Aren’t superstars but I think the upgrade is being understated by some. A big issue against the hawks was shooting 3s. Both guys do it very well.
RE: Summer  
Del Shofner : 8/2/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15319866 DanMetroMan said:
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What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?
Count me in for signing Payne and resigning Rose  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 2:41 pm : link
I think that's a much better option than most scenarios discussed thus far
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 2:43 pm : link
also on board with Payne and Rose.

Keeps flexibility to add more and Payne is entering his prime.
RE: RE: Summer  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15319931 Del Shofner said:
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What's the starting lineup out of that group? Sims, Obi, Knox, Grimes (or maybe IQ) and Vildoza?

IQ will almost certainly start. Guessing him and Grimes are the starting backcourt. IQ is probably playing in summer league so he can work on his point guard skills.
Getting close with Cam Payne.  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 2:49 pm : link
Will be considered a steal.
Satisfaction  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 2:50 pm : link
I'd be pleased if the Knicks came out of this FA period with DeRozen, Payne and Rose and some flexibility for the future. The Payne and Rose thing was reported by Berman, so I'm skeptical.
Jokubaitis  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:51 pm : link
sure looks like fun
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RE: Getting close with Cam Payne.  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15319942 ajr2456 said:
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Will be considered a steal.


I'm gonna guess 3 years 30 mil.
Knicksfantv  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:54 pm : link
reporting they are getting close on 3 for 54 with Fournier, no idea if they have broken stories before but they are considered "legit" normally.
CP from Knicks fan tv  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 2:54 pm : link
says 3 years 18 milliob for fournier
RE: Getting close with Cam Payne.  
bceagle05 : 8/2/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15319942 ajr2456 said:
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Will be considered a steal.

Nice, thanks for the info. Knicks continuing their streak of not making boneheaded moves (assuming Payne means no Schroder).
RE: Getting close with Cam Payne.  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15319942 ajr2456 said:
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Will be considered a steal.

eh, gotta see the numbers but hopefully it's not a big commitment. He's a stopgap at best, right? Maybe he comes here to try and build his value on a short term deal so that he can really cash in in a year or two - assuming he plays well.
Payne's  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 2:57 pm : link
improved 3 ball is interesting.
Keep in mind  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 3:01 pm : link
Payne and Fournier are all tradeable contracts if and when someone like SGA or Mitchell shake loose.
What  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:07 pm : link
this says to me is Fournier at 3 for 18 is a fair deal

The Athletic NBA
@TheAthleticNBA
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1h
League sources expect the price on Duncan Robinson to land in the $18 million a year range, @johnhollinger
writes.

“The Heat will likely match offers on the restricted free agent at this price point.”
RE: No to Tim Hardaway  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15319765 Leg of Theismann said:
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Fool me once. I understand he finally had one good year for the first time in 8 years, but this would be the 3rd time we're acquiring him and the first 2 times did not go well. Part of me gets the feeling if his name wasn't Tim Hardaway Jr. we wouldn't be talking about giving him another chance at $22M per year after just one good year of shooting.


I have use for Hardaway here again but both instances were fine, the Knicks just panicked and treated his contract like it was a leper. They didn't have to move him, we know that now. He's a serviceable wing. He's also quite likely going to get a similar contract. Not here, but things weren't bad here at all.
I have NO use for Hardaway  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:08 pm : link
that should say
RE: Keep in mind  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15319963 ajr2456 said:
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Payne and Fournier are all tradeable contracts if and when someone like SGA or Mitchell shake loose.


Yeah, as long as the deals are not super long, both of those guys are contributors that can be moved pretty easily, I'd think.
Sure  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:10 pm : link
sounds like Lowry lands in Miami
RE: RE: 18 per is meh  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:12 pm : link
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Better then 20 per. I could live with 18 per but I would not be thrilled with the deal. Maybe Thibs can get him to play a lick of defense



That's a lot of money to be rotting on the bench if he can't.


Everyone plays D under Thibs. OR I should say, the team plays D under Thibs. Knicks didn't have more than 1 big time defender on the floor at any given time last season yet they still killed the league on D.

Knicks  
Professor Falken : 8/2/2021 3:13 pm : link
need a lefty shooting coach.
Payne I like  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 3:13 pm : link
Better then some of the other options oit there in FA.
Kristian  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:17 pm : link
Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range
RE: Kristian  
TommyWiseau : 8/2/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


No thanks
RE: Kristian  
PwndPapi : 8/2/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


Not a bad deal for a former 2nd round pick who still can't shoot a lick 7 years in.
Woj says he expects a flurry of action toniggt  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 3:24 pm : link
..
It's pretty silly  
GGGGmen : 8/2/2021 3:27 pm : link
so many of these deals and trades have already been worked out but nothing can be reported until 6pm.

Once it's 6:01pm I'd expect Woj and other insiders to have rapid fire tweets/reports of deals that will make our heads spin.
young ascending player like Payne  
djm : 8/2/2021 3:28 pm : link
and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.

We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.

If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.
RE: Kristian  
Enzo : 8/2/2021 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:
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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range

I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.
Lowry  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:33 pm : link
expected to sign for 3 years 75-90 million per Mannix, Miami indeed the favorites
RE: young ascending player like Payne  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15319988 djm said:
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and a good solid SG like Fourn works for me. Not the HR off-season, but one that doesn't go all in on trash yet the team will be much improved, especially in the backcourt.

We were so bad in the backcourt last year. People don't realize it because Rose did his thing and IQ was a nice story, but the backcourt needed some serious talent. These 2 moves would help.

If we couldn't get Paul or Lowry this would be fine.


Payne, Fournier, Quickly, Grimes, McBride is a major backcourt upgrade
RE: RE: Kristian  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15319989 Enzo said:
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In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:


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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.

I'd much rather sign Payne at half that number on a 1-2 year deal personally
Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:34 pm : link
Several execs say it’s possible Oladipo, 29, could go unsigned for the next few months, until he can show he is ready to play.
I'd think that one benefit of going with Payne instead of a  
Heisenberg : 8/2/2021 3:37 pm : link
big ticket option would be that it would also increase the likelihood that they bring back DRose.
RE: RE: Kristian  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/2/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15319989 Enzo said:
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In comment 15319979 DanMetroMan said:


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Winfield says Dinwiddie has 3 offers in the 3 for 66 range


I would hope the Knicks would be in the mix if that's the ballpark number to land Dinwiddie. Seems reasonable to me.


Me too. Really like Dinwiddie.
FWIW  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:38 pm : link
Hollinger has Dinwiddie the #6 available PG, Caruso 8, Nunn 9, Schroder 10, Rose 11, Jackson 12, Payne 20 but a fair caveat

"20. Cameron Payne, Suns: $3,932,484

Since this rating tracks multiple years, it may be weighing Cameron Payne’s previous failures too heavily. Certainly his 2020-21 warrants a steeper payday: He shot 44.0 percent from 3 in 2020-21 with a 17.4 PER, and while he’s had some ups and downs in the postseason, he had a 29-point, 9-assist Game 2 of the Western Conference finals. Similar to the Clippers’ situation with Reggie Jackson, the Suns have early Bird rights on Payne and can pay him up to the 120 percent of the league average salary, which should be about $11 million. That shouldn’t be a problem in this case, as Payne’s projected salary figures to come in lower than that. I suspect he’ll have considerable interest at or near the midlevel exception, and that the Suns would be pretty motivated to bring him back for another run at the ring."
He  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:40 pm : link
has Fournier his #2 SG worth 3 years 45-50, Burks #6..


Interesting note

14. Talen Horton-Tucker, Lakers (restricted): $5,310,035

The youngest player on the free-agent market, the 20-year-old Talen Horton-Tucker has the sharks circling because the Lakers may be unwilling to match an expensive offer sheet for him. There are two reasons this is possible: First, the luxury-tax implications could get severe if the Lakers also bring back Dennis Schröder and Alex Caruso and Montrezl Harrell opts in to his $9.7 million deal.

Second, the Lakers’ alternate pathway of using sign-and-trades or the full midlevel exception is already complicated given how hard it will be for them to stay below the luxury-tax apron. That effort becomes virtually impossible if a significant salary for Horton-Tucker is also part of their payroll.

Because Horton-Tucker was a rookie on a two-year deal, he is subject to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas” rule — teams can only offer him the full MLE for the first two years of an offer sheet, which should be about $10 million a year. However, it can rise all the way up to the max in years 3 and 4; this has actually happened, with Miami matching a Brooklyn offer sheet on Tyler Johnson for the entire Arenas-rule max in 2016.

Forking out that much for Horton-Tucker would likely be regrettable, but he’d be a good get at more reasonable price points. Given L.A.’s other constraints and the Lakers’ current timeline, it wouldn’t be shocking to see him as part of a sign-and-trade that brings back another win-now piece.
Where does Talen Horton-Tucker fit into L.A.’s plans? (Mark J. Rebilas / USA Today)
Great info in this thread!  
AdamBrag : 8/2/2021 3:41 pm : link
Fournier would be a solid pick up. He's a better shooter than anyone on last season's roster, by a lot. He isn't going to drive it to the hoop and he needs to be hidden on defense, but he's really good as a complimentary piece.
I think Lonzo Ball would be perfect  
Dave : 8/2/2021 3:45 pm : link
.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:50 pm : link
NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
Potential 3 team deal being discussed:

Lonzo Ball -> Chicago
Lauri Markkanen -> Charlotte
Devonte Graham -> New Orleans

(Via @Krisplashed
)
Two pieces of news from Jake Fischer:  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 3:58 pm : link
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Alec Burks is also expected to re-sign with the Knicks on a three-year agreement worth roughly $30 million. Nerlens Noel seems likely to return to Madison Square Garden on a deal worth slightly more than $10 million annually.


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Burks  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 3:58 pm : link
expected to re-sign 3 years 30ish, Noel "more than" 10 per

Cam Payne expected to stay with the Suns

All of this per Jake Fischer
He also  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 3:59 pm : link
posted this though:


Cam Payne is expected to return to Phoenix in the ballpark of $6 million per year.

So who the hell is going to be the point guard?  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 4:01 pm : link
based on rumors:

Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel
RE: So who the hell is going to be the point guard?  
DanMetroMan : 8/2/2021 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15320028 nygiants16 said:
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based on rumors:

Quick/mcbride
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/toppin
Mitch/noel


He said Schroder was the "best fit" didn't sound like a rumor vs. his opinion but...
RE: So who the hell is going to be the point guard?  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15320028 nygiants16 said:

Alex Burks and noel resigning  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 4:06 pm : link
At $10 per year for more than 1 year would be awful. What are they thinking.
Hearing Payne  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 4:06 pm : link
On a possible 1+1 around $14 million
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