JJ values relationships and understands he needs the trust of his players. I'd say at this point, the core has bought in, which is indicative of pressers and players quotes after such incidents like with Kelvin Benjamin.
His charisma is off the charts, coupled with the wisdom "to know how," but he also realizes the only thing that matters ultimately is winning.
Soon enough the players will start policing themselves, and the wins will mount.
JJ values relationships and understands he needs the trust of his players. I'd say at this point, the core has bought in, which is indicative of pressers and players quotes after such incidents like with Kelvin Benjamin.
His charisma is off the charts, coupled with the wisdom "to know how," but he also realizes the only thing that matters ultimately is winning.
Soon enough the players will start policing themselves, and the wins will mount.
I think you are looking through a Giants fans lens and in relationship to his players. That I agree with you. However the misunderstood aspect is from outsiders who have this view of him as a no-nonsense hardass. And many have that view of him. I hear from a lot of non-Giants fans how he will burnout because that tough guy approach doesn't work. These fun stories don't make national headlines. There was only one ever that did and that was when he jumped on the ball during the fumble drill in the mud.
I heard a YouTube GM comparing Judge to Greg Sciano...
In that Judge is going to wear out his welcome fairly quickly with things like making his players run laps, and eventually he'll lose the team and lose his job. I don't know...I just don't see it that way. I think Judge is "genuine" in a way that Sciano never was, and that really resonates with veterans and rookies alike. I'm trying not to get overly optimistic, but I have to admit that I'm pretty pleased with Judge so far.
JJ values relationships and understands he needs the trust of his players. I'd say at this point, the core has bought in, which is indicative of pressers and players quotes after such incidents like with Kelvin Benjamin.
His charisma is off the charts, coupled with the wisdom "to know how," but he also realizes the only thing that matters ultimately is winning.
Soon enough the players will start policing themselves, and the wins will mount.
I think you are looking through a Giants fans lens and in relationship to his players. That I agree with you. However the misunderstood aspect is from outsiders who have this view of him as a no-nonsense hardass. And many have that view of him. I hear from a lot of non-Giants fans how he will burnout because that tough guy approach doesn't work. These fun stories don't make national headlines. There was only one ever that did and that was when he jumped on the ball during the fumble drill in the mud.
Semantics, but still dont think he's misunderstood. His reputation seems to be a likeable hard ass who has high expectations but respects his players. The same players have also said they dont mind playing for a coach like JJ who coaches hard and teaches.
His personality didnt hurt free agency and I could argue it helped. Players know they need structure and want to play for someone who has their back.
He’s able to bring the hard ass Saban/Belichick coaching style, but balance it with a more modern approach with his players
I think where other Belichick assistants have failed is they’ve tried to be All-Bill/Patriot Way from the start. The difference is Belichick has the wins and the respect. If you’re Matt Patricia or Bill O’Brien or Josh McDaniels, you haven’t won’t shit and you haven’t earned respect.
It appears, from the outside looking in, that Judge has been able to do both.
He’s able to bring the hard ass Saban/Belichick coaching style, but balance it with a more modern approach with his players
I think where other Belichick assistants have failed is they’ve tried to be All-Bill/Patriot Way from the start. The difference is Belichick has the wins and the respect. If you’re Matt Patricia or Bill O’Brien or Josh McDaniels, you haven’t won’t shit and you haven’t earned respect.
It appears, from the outside looking in, that Judge has been able to do both.
Judge also plays a roll for the media. He is just as well prepared for them as he wants his players prepared for football.
He is deffinatley all business but part of the business is team building and getting the players to run through a wall for you. Im sure his persona inside the building is different then at the podium but the message remains the same.
seems to be a very good coach himself from the NE tree. I do find it strange however how many of their key players have demanded trades in the past few years. Not sure if that attributed to him or the organization as a whole.
In that Judge is going to wear out his welcome fairly quickly with things like making his players run laps, and eventually he'll lose the team and lose his job. I don't know...I just don't see it that way. I think Judge is "genuine" in a way that Sciano never was, and that really resonates with veterans and rookies alike. I'm trying not to get overly optimistic, but I have to admit that I'm pretty pleased with Judge so far.
These laps that they “run” are completely overblown. Reporters and players have said it’s basically nothing more than a slow jog. Not exactly killing themselves out there
He’s able to bring the hard ass Saban/Belichick coaching style, but balance it with a more modern approach with his players
I think where other Belichick assistants have failed is they’ve tried to be All-Bill/Patriot Way from the start. The difference is Belichick has the wins and the respect. If you’re Matt Patricia or Bill O’Brien or Josh McDaniels, you haven’t won’t shit and you haven’t earned respect.
It appears, from there outside looking in, that Judge has been able to do both.
Well put. Judge seems to be a kinder, more fun and personal hardass than BB. He's a big reason I'm optimistic about the Giants future.
The players hate Judge. Look at how they pushed him into the mud...
In that Judge is going to wear out his welcome fairly quickly with things like making his players run laps, and eventually he'll lose the team and lose his job. I don't know...I just don't see it that way. I think Judge is "genuine" in a way that Sciano never was, and that really resonates with veterans and rookies alike. I'm trying not to get overly optimistic, but I have to admit that I'm pretty pleased with Judge so far.
These laps that they “run” are completely overblown. Reporters and players have said it’s basically nothing more than a slow jog. Not exactly killing themselves out there
So, what you're saying is the players aren't trying hard. :D
“What I am watching in Giants camp: I want to see if Joe Judge has mellowed in Year 2, or if he’ll still be up to his zany antics, with Slip ‘N Slides and old-school football drills”
tangible results in the win column. If we don’t, then it might start growing thin. Non-the-less, I think they like Judge because he’s very relatable to the players.
This is the most excited I've been about the start of a Giants season
since Eli's rookie year. I think the Giants have solved their coaching issues and improved their player procurement issues and that Judge will have a run like Parcells and Coughlin for the Giants. We will see. Here's hoping.
seems to be a very good coach himself from the NE tree. I do find it strange however how many of their key players have demanded trades in the past few years. Not sure if that attributed to him or the organization as a whole.
The Patriots way of doing things isn't a one-size fits all, so it doesn't surprise me that players want to get out.
There have been stars and good players that left New England. Some guys don't want to change how they play or what they play to fit new ideas or sacrifice playing time in the name of versatility. I think the biggest threat to finding a home in a New England type program is player ego.
His charisma is off the charts, coupled with the wisdom "to know how," but he also realizes the only thing that matters ultimately is winning.
Soon enough the players will start policing themselves, and the wins will mount.
His charisma is off the charts, coupled with the wisdom "to know how," but he also realizes the only thing that matters ultimately is winning.
Soon enough the players will start policing themselves, and the wins will mount.
I think you are looking through a Giants fans lens and in relationship to his players. That I agree with you. However the misunderstood aspect is from outsiders who have this view of him as a no-nonsense hardass. And many have that view of him. I hear from a lot of non-Giants fans how he will burnout because that tough guy approach doesn't work. These fun stories don't make national headlines. There was only one ever that did and that was when he jumped on the ball during the fumble drill in the mud.
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JJ values relationships and understands he needs the trust of his players. I'd say at this point, the core has bought in, which is indicative of pressers and players quotes after such incidents like with Kelvin Benjamin.
His charisma is off the charts, coupled with the wisdom "to know how," but he also realizes the only thing that matters ultimately is winning.
Soon enough the players will start policing themselves, and the wins will mount.
I think you are looking through a Giants fans lens and in relationship to his players. That I agree with you. However the misunderstood aspect is from outsiders who have this view of him as a no-nonsense hardass. And many have that view of him. I hear from a lot of non-Giants fans how he will burnout because that tough guy approach doesn't work. These fun stories don't make national headlines. There was only one ever that did and that was when he jumped on the ball during the fumble drill in the mud.
Semantics, but still dont think he's misunderstood. His reputation seems to be a likeable hard ass who has high expectations but respects his players. The same players have also said they dont mind playing for a coach like JJ who coaches hard and teaches.
His personality didnt hurt free agency and I could argue it helped. Players know they need structure and want to play for someone who has their back.
I think where other Belichick assistants have failed is they’ve tried to be All-Bill/Patriot Way from the start. The difference is Belichick has the wins and the respect. If you’re Matt Patricia or Bill O’Brien or Josh McDaniels, you haven’t won’t shit and you haven’t earned respect.
It appears, from the outside looking in, that Judge has been able to do both.
I think where other Belichick assistants have failed is they’ve tried to be All-Bill/Patriot Way from the start. The difference is Belichick has the wins and the respect. If you’re Matt Patricia or Bill O’Brien or Josh McDaniels, you haven’t won’t shit and you haven’t earned respect.
It appears, from the outside looking in, that Judge has been able to do both.
agree 100%
He is deffinatley all business but part of the business is team building and getting the players to run through a wall for you. Im sure his persona inside the building is different then at the podium but the message remains the same.
These laps that they “run” are completely overblown. Reporters and players have said it’s basically nothing more than a slow jog. Not exactly killing themselves out there
I think where other Belichick assistants have failed is they’ve tried to be All-Bill/Patriot Way from the start. The difference is Belichick has the wins and the respect. If you’re Matt Patricia or Bill O’Brien or Josh McDaniels, you haven’t won’t shit and you haven’t earned respect.
It appears, from there outside looking in, that Judge has been able to do both.
Well put. Judge seems to be a kinder, more fun and personal hardass than BB. He's a big reason I'm optimistic about the Giants future.
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In that Judge is going to wear out his welcome fairly quickly with things like making his players run laps, and eventually he'll lose the team and lose his job. I don't know...I just don't see it that way. I think Judge is "genuine" in a way that Sciano never was, and that really resonates with veterans and rookies alike. I'm trying not to get overly optimistic, but I have to admit that I'm pretty pleased with Judge so far.
These laps that they “run” are completely overblown. Reporters and players have said it’s basically nothing more than a slow jog. Not exactly killing themselves out there
So, what you're saying is the players aren't trying hard. :D
Offensive line plays well and he will be a winning coach.
Offensive line sucks and he will be a losing coach.
I believed that for about 2 minutes. "Hmm. that's really interesting! I wonder how Julian got into doing that..."
That is so funny.
The Patriots way of doing things isn't a one-size fits all, so it doesn't surprise me that players want to get out.
There have been stars and good players that left New England. Some guys don't want to change how they play or what they play to fit new ideas or sacrifice playing time in the name of versatility. I think the biggest threat to finding a home in a New England type program is player ego.