Says that part of the reason is because he can't profit off of his own name, image and likeness while in HS. The new norm, I guess Link - ( New Window )
“Ewers is expected to join the Ohio State program for summer training camp at some point in August. He is completing his coursework to graduate, which he has already begun taking online. Some ambiguity remains about precisely when he’ll be able to start practicing, as officially joining by the start of camp on Tuesday will be highly unlikely as he navigates the bureaucracy inherent to collegiate admissions and NCAA clearance. The expectation remains he’ll be able to get eligible at some point during camp.”
But I have a feeling we are going to see some dissension in locker rooms where some athletes and raking in the money and others are not.
How's that any different than non-athletes? If you write a best-selling book when you're in college, you have every right to promote your NIL I believe.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
Is there something specific about the story that makes you feel that way?
not speaking for Jints in Carolina, but I'm really concerned that more kids who try to do this sort of thing are going to get burned and end up broke then get paid the big bucks.
If he graduates HS early, then who cares? He's making the decision to graduate now (or relatively soon), skip his senior season, and get into college ASAP. Why not?
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
Is there something specific about the story that makes you feel that way?
not speaking for Jints in Carolina, but I'm really concerned that more kids who try to do this sort of thing are going to get burned and end up broke then get paid the big bucks.
Sort of like many of the “athlete scholars” who never learn anything in college nor get a degree and can’t make it in the NFL.
HS graduates have left early to go to college before.
Matt Barkley did it for example. If you can make money in the NIL scenario, why not?
On a football note, the OSU QB room is now extremely crowded. There is a good chance he redshirts for the year anyway but I don't know how that situation will play out. They have 2 five star QBs and 2 four star qbs in that room.
Ewers is the top prospect in the country though, so he still may win, even at 17. He could end up being a #1 overall pick at 20.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
From what I read the other day was academically he was just about done with requirements for early graduation. He had only to take an online course or two, which would be completed in time to enroll in Ohio State and be eligible for the 2021 season.
not speaking for Jints in Carolina, but I'm really concerned that more kids who try to do this sort of thing are going to get burned and end up broke then get paid the big bucks.
Are you saying you're concerned about kids who aren't able get big marketing deals? How would that be different for them than before, when those deals were simply prohibited? I get the concern for strain between players who do and do not get big deals, but I don't see how this would somehow create a problem of guys getting burned and ending up broke.
they should consider if he's physically, mentally, and emotionally ready for college (academics, athletics, and socially).
I have not read the link or any article on this topic, and I know the $$$ would be enticing, but sometimes parents need to make hard choices and money shouldn't be the only relevant factor in the decision (especially if he's still a minor - if he's over 18 it's probably his choice but hopefully he's getting good advice).
Maybe the article talks about this - when I get a chance and am able to click a link I will read up.
they should consider if he's physically, mentally, and emotionally ready for college (academics, athletics, and socially).
I have not read the link or any article on this topic, and I know the $$$ would be enticing, but sometimes parents need to make hard choices and money shouldn't be the only relevant factor in the decision (especially if he's still a minor - if he's over 18 it's probably his choice but hopefully he's getting good advice).
Maybe the article talks about this - when I get a chance and am able to click a link I will read up.
He's over 18 and he's finishing classes to get his diploma.
I think the difference between 17/18 and college is negligible. He would already be older than most NYers who enroll in college (I was 17 when I enrolled at OSU because NY has slightly different rules when it comes to starting grade school earlier - most of my friends were 18 or 19 Freshmen year).
I wonder if this will create a Georgia situation with so many QBs
is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
RE: When do they do away with the academic component of all this
and just go full blown minor league (NCAA/colleges or some other organization)?
The rules have now changed, but at one time many programs at high school level operated athletically as "prep schools" and were allowed to retain players longer than a high school could.
(I went to Seton Hall Prep which had only switched to HS status a few years before I attended.)
I know Notre Dame had a number of prep schools where they could stash athletes if they had a glut at a position.
Aquinas in Rochester NY was one; years ago I understand Seton Hall and Aquinas had occasional meetings.
I think that all college athletes should be salaried
(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
RE: I think that all college athletes should be salaried
(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
What about non-rev sports? Title IX? This would never work.
RE: RE: I think that all college athletes should be salaried
(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
What about non-rev sports? Title IX? This would never work.
Oh well. It's where we are.
RE: RE: RE: I think that all college athletes should be salaried
(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
What about non-rev sports? Title IX? This would never work.
Oh well. It's where we are.
Sadly true. A system that was far from perfect but was working was blown up to benefit a few high profile athletes each year. The unintended consequences will now be felt far and wide.
RE: I think that all college athletes should be salaried
(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
No freakin' way. If they were salaried, they'd become an employee of the state they're attending college in (if it's a state school). That means that they would have employment rights along with the right to unionize. If they're a scholarship athlete, that's their "salary". Free school
if they will be any good in college. I've seen this kid play a number of times. Sure he looks like a solid HS QB, but I've seen a lot of solid HS QB's, he is no different to me anyway.
Also as far as missing HS is concerned Southlake has become a college football factory. They have a Sr HS for Junior and Senior years only, and they get top kids moving into the district after their first year or two of HS just to get on the team and hopefully get a scholarship. This school has produced Chase Daniels, Greg McElroy, Kris Brown, Scott Chandler, and Lil' Jordan Humphrey to name a few.
But I have a feeling we are going to see some dissension in locker rooms where some athletes and raking in the money and others are not.
How's that any different than non-athletes? If you write a best-selling book when you're in college, you have every right to promote your NIL I believe.
is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
If you had a son who was a 5 star recruit in football would you still feel the same way?
He's not going to make much money from NIL until he's is one of the top QBs in the country. I actually think he would have benefitted more by lighting it up his senior year in HS, get a ton of press, and then capitalize on NIL.
is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
If you had a son who was a 5 star recruit in football would you still feel the same way?
Yep. His parents wanted him to stay at Southlake and play his senior season. He was going to enroll at Ohio State in the spring; just like so many others have done before him.
He's not going to make much money from NIL until he's is one of the top QBs in the country. I actually think he would have benefitted more by lighting it up his senior year in HS, get a ton of press, and then capitalize on NIL.
He has offers that cumulatively are worth over $1.0 million. I completely get why an 18 year old kid would make this decision. The fact that this is available is the issue.
is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
Yes, of course. In a totally corrupt system like the NCAA, where billions and billions of dollars are made off of the free labor of "student athletes", letting some of them get a little taste of that cash is what's going to ruin it.
is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
Yes, of course. In a totally corrupt system like the NCAA, where billions and billions of dollars are made off of the free labor of "student athletes", letting some of them get a little taste of that cash is what's going to ruin it.
This is a bullshit response. Cry me a river for a few top athletes that have to wait until they are actually professionals before getting paid. As I said in another post, the system is far from perfect and there are changes that can be made. But if you think this development is a good one, think again.
are far more favorable than perpetuating a system that blatantly circumvents some pretty basic labor laws, i.e. that a person can actually get paid market wages for his or her services. The system before this was quite possibly the most exploitative industry in the U.S.
are far more favorable than perpetuating a system that blatantly circumvents some pretty basic labor laws, i.e. that a person can actually get paid market wages for his or her services. The system before this was quite possibly the most exploitative industry in the U.S.
Ha, this is comical. I guess that free education is not enough compensation. If you are watching college sports, then you were an enabler.
I am going to assume he will get a GED.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
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without a HS diploma?
I am going to assume he will get a GED.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
Is there something specific about the story that makes you feel that way?
How's that any different than non-athletes? If you write a best-selling book when you're in college, you have every right to promote your NIL I believe.
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without a HS diploma?
I am going to assume he will get a GED.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
Is there something specific about the story that makes you feel that way?
not speaking for Jints in Carolina, but I'm really concerned that more kids who try to do this sort of thing are going to get burned and end up broke then get paid the big bucks.
Yeah I agree with that a bit, it certainly is going to make HC much more difficult.
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without a HS diploma?
I am going to assume he will get a GED.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
Is there something specific about the story that makes you feel that way?
not speaking for Jints in Carolina, but I'm really concerned that more kids who try to do this sort of thing are going to get burned and end up broke then get paid the big bucks.
Matt Barkley did it for example. If you can make money in the NIL scenario, why not?
On a football note, the OSU QB room is now extremely crowded. There is a good chance he redshirts for the year anyway but I don't know how that situation will play out. They have 2 five star QBs and 2 four star qbs in that room.
Ewers is the top prospect in the country though, so he still may win, even at 17. He could end up being a #1 overall pick at 20.
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without a HS diploma?
I am going to assume he will get a GED.
I really have a bad feeling about this NIL. I get both sides, but I have a feeling this is going backfire.
It has to do with Texas rules for HS students.
Are you saying you're concerned about kids who aren't able get big marketing deals? How would that be different for them than before, when those deals were simply prohibited? I get the concern for strain between players who do and do not get big deals, but I don't see how this would somehow create a problem of guys getting burned and ending up broke.
I have not read the link or any article on this topic, and I know the $$$ would be enticing, but sometimes parents need to make hard choices and money shouldn't be the only relevant factor in the decision (especially if he's still a minor - if he's over 18 it's probably his choice but hopefully he's getting good advice).
Maybe the article talks about this - when I get a chance and am able to click a link I will read up.
I have not read the link or any article on this topic, and I know the $$$ would be enticing, but sometimes parents need to make hard choices and money shouldn't be the only relevant factor in the decision (especially if he's still a minor - if he's over 18 it's probably his choice but hopefully he's getting good advice).
Maybe the article talks about this - when I get a chance and am able to click a link I will read up.
He's over 18 and he's finishing classes to get his diploma.
I think the difference between 17/18 and college is negligible. He would already be older than most NYers who enroll in college (I was 17 when I enrolled at OSU because NY has slightly different rules when it comes to starting grade school earlier - most of my friends were 18 or 19 Freshmen year).
ohio state!
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without a HS diploma?
ohio state!
... he will have a HS diploma.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
The rules have now changed, but at one time many programs at high school level operated athletically as "prep schools" and were allowed to retain players longer than a high school could.
(I went to Seton Hall Prep which had only switched to HS status a few years before I attended.)
I know Notre Dame had a number of prep schools where they could stash athletes if they had a glut at a position.
Aquinas in Rochester NY was one; years ago I understand Seton Hall and Aquinas had occasional meetings.
What about non-rev sports? Title IX? This would never work.
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(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
What about non-rev sports? Title IX? This would never work.
Oh well. It's where we are.
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(in proportion to the revenue of their sports, their position and playing time) and then charged tuition, room, and board, health insurance, etc. Just make it all a business transaction and also charge the relevant professional league a training fee.
What about non-rev sports? Title IX? This would never work.
Oh well. It's where we are.
Sadly true. A system that was far from perfect but was working was blown up to benefit a few high profile athletes each year. The unintended consequences will now be felt far and wide.
No freakin' way. If they were salaried, they'd become an employee of the state they're attending college in (if it's a state school). That means that they would have employment rights along with the right to unionize. If they're a scholarship athlete, that's their "salary". Free school
You don't think some players were already raking in more money than others before NIL?
Also as far as missing HS is concerned Southlake has become a college football factory. They have a Sr HS for Junior and Senior years only, and they get top kids moving into the district after their first year or two of HS just to get on the team and hopefully get a scholarship. This school has produced Chase Daniels, Greg McElroy, Kris Brown, Scott Chandler, and Lil' Jordan Humphrey to name a few.
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But I have a feeling we are going to see some dissension in locker rooms where some athletes and raking in the money and others are not.
How's that any different than non-athletes? If you write a best-selling book when you're in college, you have every right to promote your NIL I believe.
Yeah, it is called copy right...
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
If you had a son who was a 5 star recruit in football would you still feel the same way?
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is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
If you had a son who was a 5 star recruit in football would you still feel the same way?
Yep. His parents wanted him to stay at Southlake and play his senior season. He was going to enroll at Ohio State in the spring; just like so many others have done before him.
He has offers that cumulatively are worth over $1.0 million. I completely get why an 18 year old kid would make this decision. The fact that this is available is the issue.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
Yes, of course. In a totally corrupt system like the NCAA, where billions and billions of dollars are made off of the free labor of "student athletes", letting some of them get a little taste of that cash is what's going to ruin it.
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is a moron. This will lead to the destruction of amateur sports. College athletics is about more than just 20-30 top athletes who stand to make all the money. And now we are seeing it not just trickle into high school sports, but it has kicked the door down. There will now be agents waiting in HS parking lots to woo these student athletes. It's a joke.
Oh, and by the way, Southlake Carroll is where my kids attend high school. It's safe to assume I am fairly well informed about this situation.
Yes, of course. In a totally corrupt system like the NCAA, where billions and billions of dollars are made off of the free labor of "student athletes", letting some of them get a little taste of that cash is what's going to ruin it.
This is a bullshit response. Cry me a river for a few top athletes that have to wait until they are actually professionals before getting paid. As I said in another post, the system is far from perfect and there are changes that can be made. But if you think this development is a good one, think again.
Ha, this is comical. I guess that free education is not enough compensation. If you are watching college sports, then you were an enabler.