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NFT: 2021 NBA Free Agency Begins....Now

Anakim : 8/2/2021 6:00 pm
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Anyone but Dennis Schroeder  
GMEN46 : 8/3/2021 10:10 pm : link
I can’t stand him.
'going full gmen46'  
Del Shofner : 8/3/2021 10:10 pm : link
that could become a thing around here
Realistic dame offer  
GMEN46 : 8/3/2021 10:21 pm : link
It’s going to have to be RJ, Obi and Quickley plus picks, who are the throw ins, I guess knox, gets us closer and Luca that’s $24.6 million. Assuming we either extend Randle or use the reamining cap space for another really good bench player we are not able to trade for dame until after December because salaries don’t work and all these excellent bench signings wouldn’t be eligible to be traded? Does anyone know if a player resigns with the same team are they excluded from the free agents can’t be traded rule? Let’s say we can trade a free agent signing then throw in Noel and that probably gets us close enough.

We end up with
Dame
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Mitch

Rose
Grimes
McBride
Taj
The guy from texas

That wound be a bad defensive team, but probably fit a max the following year. Is a core of lillard, Randle and let’s say beal enough to win a ring with ring chasers? Prob not
RE: Would you trade mitch  
TyreeHelmet : 8/3/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15321736 nygiants16 said:
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with Bullock in a sign and trade to dallas for Brunson?


I definitely would and I’m a fan of Mitch.
RE: Realistic dame offer  
larryflower37 : 8/3/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15321798 GMEN46 said:
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It’s going to have to be RJ, Obi and Quickley plus picks, who are the throw ins, I guess knox, gets us closer and Luca that’s $24.6 million. Assuming we either extend Randle or use the reamining cap space for another really good bench player we are not able to trade for dame until after December because salaries don’t work and all these excellent bench signings wouldn’t be eligible to be traded? Does anyone know if a player resigns with the same team are they excluded from the free agents can’t be traded rule? Let’s say we can trade a free agent signing then throw in Noel and that probably gets us close enough.

We end up with
Dame
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Mitch

Rose
Grimes
McBride
Taj
The guy from texas

That wound be a bad defensive team, but probably fit a max the following year. Is a core of lillard, Randle and let’s say beal enough to win a ring with ring chasers? Prob not

Don't forget Noel 3 for 32 million.
I would absolutely love to see Reggie Jackson come here  
Leg of Theismann : 8/4/2021 1:12 am : link
I think he’s a great player. He was electric in the playoffs. I think he would fit in perfectly with the culture here too. Smart player, hard worker, passionate dude. A combination of Jackson/Rose/IQ running the PG minutes would be great to start the season IMO, and who knows McBride and/or Luca might fight their way into some minutes by midseason. Or even if we gave to cut Luca and trade Knox to make it happen I think it would be absolutely worth it.

if they sign Jackson I’d give them an solid A- for the offseason— only real knocks I would have are 1) too many protections on the Charlotte pick and 2) too much money/years for Noel given he’s a backup 5, but hey those things are minor issues in my book…. Buttttt right now since they haven’t addressed PG really it’s tough to say what the grade is. That’s what makes me feel like there’s gotta be some move that’s coming that might give us a bit of an “aha” moment (not saying it’s gonna be some genius blockbuster trade, but SOMETHING will happen I believe simply because this just feels like we’re one solid piece away from completing a pretty nice puzzle in my book.
Macri and Cohen  
Pete44 : 8/4/2021 7:41 am : link
speculate that the Knicks are looking for a player that will take a 2 year contract, so they can operate as an over the cap team next season.

It might be why they lost out on Nunn and have not made a deal with Schroeder or Jackson.
RE: Macri and Cohen  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 7:44 am : link
In comment 15321870 Pete44 said:
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speculate that the Knicks are looking for a player that will take a 2 year contract, so they can operate as an over the cap team next season.

It might be why they lost out on Nunn and have not made a deal with Schroeder or Jackson.


Why not just a 3 year deal like everyone else they signed?
RE: RE: Macri and Cohen  
Pete44 : 8/4/2021 7:49 am : link
In comment 15321872 Jon in NYC said:
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speculate that the Knicks are looking for a player that will take a 2 year contract, so they can operate as an over the cap team next season.

It might be why they lost out on Nunn and have not made a deal with Schroeder or Jackson.



A 3 year contract is fine too, but guys like Schroeder want a 1 year prove it deal.
Why not just a 3 year deal like everyone else they signed?
Gotcha,  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 7:55 am : link
thanks
RE: I will say guys  
Mike in NJ : 8/4/2021 7:59 am : link
In comment 15320890 Carl in CT said:
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AR27? Also has intel so listen there also.


Did we ever find out who AR27 is?
RE: RE: I will say guys  
Pete44 : 8/4/2021 8:24 am : link
In comment 15321876 Mike in NJ said:
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AR27? Also has intel so listen there also.


Seems like he is an agent of some sort! I have missed it, do either him or Carl have anything new? They still need a guard to start ahead of Rose. I think they see Quickley as a 3rd guard and McBride is a rookie.



Did we ever find out who AR27 is?
Dragic was interviewed about being in toronto  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 8:39 am : link
and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..

So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team
RE: Dragic was interviewed about being in toronto  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 8:41 am : link
In comment 15321898 nygiants16 said:
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and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..

So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team


I'd guess Mavs.
RE: RE: Dragic was interviewed about being in toronto  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 8:44 am : link
In comment 15321899 Jon in NYC said:
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and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..

So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team



I'd guess Mavs.


Mavs are operating as an over the cap team so i dont know who they send out
RE: Dragic was interviewed about being in toronto  
Enzo : 8/4/2021 8:50 am : link
In comment 15321898 nygiants16 said:
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and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..

So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team

I would assume OKC or maybe the Spurs.
Friday should be interesting  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 8:54 am : link
with all the moving parts in sign and trades and if Knicks do not have a point giard by then, how long do they wait to sign Rose
It's  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 9:12 am : link
almost certainly nothing, but Julius and Myles Turner have been training together in Dallas.
PG situation  
NYG22 : 8/4/2021 9:14 am : link
Derrick Rose - will be 33 when the season starts. Despite a long history of high usage and injuries, still flashes explosive athletic ability and did so repeatedly during his NYK tenure last year. Probably best suited as dynamic bench player as overuse presents a real risk of injury. He is also highly regarded as leader.

Immanual Quickley - terrific rookie year despite low 1st round draft spot. Good shooter with limitless range and an effective floater. Shot creation skills need development. While he is a willing passer and low turnover guy, he doesn't appear to be a quarterback type of guard (although certainly too early to close the book on this possibility). He will add strength and that should result in above average defensive prowess (long arms, good awareness and effort already evident last year).

Miles (Deuce) McBride - Intense, competitive guard. While he could develop into a Derek Fisher or Patrick Beverly type (great defensively but relegated to off-ball duty on offense) I think he will ultimately be more than that on offense e.g. a 60-70% of Jrue Holiday. But the key word there is ultimately. Its hard to imagine him playing a lead guard role this upcoming year.

Alec Burks - Skillful, big guard who has historically been brittle. Showed a lot as a scorer last year with a spike in crunch time scoring prowess. Positive player in this stable of guards but I still wouldn't be thrilled with him having a major lead/facilitating role.

So, in summary we have two older, injury prone guys who at times, are legit scoring guards. And two young guys who are promising but no indication that they have skills to play a primary quarterbacking role at this point.

Where do we go from here?

1. Major trade targeting Dame or Fox: this obviously would cost a ton of assets but much of the necessary salary match cannot be traded until December. A combo of Obi, Mitch, IQ etc. (plus picks) doesn't allow for a salary match so we'd have to wait to include guys like Noel. It's hard to imagine this happening any time soon. In addition, this front office, while somewhat creative and averse to bad deals such as Bargnani years ago, doesn't show any signs of having Pat Riley like ability to make things happen.

2. Major trade targeting Sexton: this horse probably left the barn when HOU drafted Green leaving Mobley to CLE and thus removing Obi as a desirable centerpiece for a Sexton trade.

3. Lesser trade. Possible targets Derrick White, DeJounte Murray, Goran Dragic. No rumors to this effect.

4. FA. NYK once again struck out on all PG targets to this point. What remains is not attractive: Reggie Jackson, Dennis Schroeder.

5. Sign and Trade. If Reggie Bullock + a #1 for Jalen Brunson is a possibility, its very much worth pursuing. Brunson isn't elite by any stretch but he is a terrific guy to have in your PG rotation. He's exceptionally bright and hard working, physically strong. While a Kyle Lowry comp is too lofty, Brunson has a lot of the same traits at a similar age.
RE: It's  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15321923 Jon in NYC said:
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almost certainly nothing, but Julius and Myles Turner have been training together in Dallas.


i was going to post this yesterday, have they worked out together before?
im sure they could make some deal at the deadline for a guy making...  
Italianju : 8/4/2021 9:16 am : link
8-10 mill next year to make sure they operate over the cap. Like that seems like a dumb reason to not sign a schroeder or jackson. Im all for Jackson, i think at 8 mill he is a great deal. And as much as i dont really think schroeder is good he is a still a great deal at 8 mill. He isnt a bad NBA player he just isnt worth 20 mill or whatever numbers people were throwing around.
RE: RE: Dragic was interviewed about being in toronto  
NYG22 : 8/4/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15321906 Enzo said:
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and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..

So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team


I would assume OKC or maybe the Spurs.


Best case is Dallas (with Kleiber or Powell as trade bait) which may pave the way for a Brunson trade to NYK.
Would  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 9:22 am : link
you trade Obi for Brunson straight up?

Brunson is only one year older.
RE: Would  
NYG22 : 8/4/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15321939 Jon in NYC said:
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you trade Obi for Brunson straight up?

Brunson is only one year older.


Steep cost but I really love Brunson. I'd hope to get something else like one of their picks last year (Josh Green, Tyler Bey or Tyrell Terry).
RE: Would  
robbieballs2003 : 8/4/2021 9:27 am : link
In comment 15321939 Jon in NYC said:
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you trade Obi for Brunson straight up?

Brunson is only one year older.


I don't know enough about Brunson to comment but two things stand out. One, Brunson is going to get paid next offseason and Obi is only in the second year of his deal. Huge advantage for the Obi side there. Two, we have no depth at PF. It would basically be Randle and I'd assume Taj as the backup PF. They'd need to address that.
id like to see another year of obi before trading him for...  
Italianju : 8/4/2021 9:28 am : link
a guy like brunson. Sure he is only a year older, but he has been in the league for 3 seasons. I know he hasnt got the chance to play 30+ a night, but Obi hasnt got to play 15 yet and only had his rookie year.
RE: RE: RE: Dragic was interviewed about being in toronto  
Stu11 : 8/4/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15321938 NYG22 said:
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and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..

So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team


I would assume OKC or maybe the Spurs.



Best case is Dallas (with Kleiber or Powell as trade bait) which may pave the way for a Brunson trade to NYK.

I'd love Brunson but I think there's little to no chance Dallas trades him. They love him. Even if they get Dragic they probably keep him as Dragic can play off the ball.
RE: RE: Would  
NYG22 : 8/4/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15321947 robbieballs2003 said:
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you trade Obi for Brunson straight up?

Brunson is only one year older.



I don't know enough about Brunson to comment but two things stand out. One, Brunson is going to get paid next offseason and Obi is only in the second year of his deal. Huge advantage for the Obi side there. Two, we have no depth at PF. It would basically be Randle and I'd assume Taj as the backup PF. They'd need to address that.


Def valid points.
i love brunson  
JJ2525 : 8/4/2021 9:36 am : link
i could see dallas moving him since he's going to get paid next year and i'm not sure they want to pay him what it will take to retain him.
The Mavs  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 9:39 am : link
may love him, but not enough to start him. Only started 12 games and averaged 25 MPG last year.
John Collins  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 9:55 am : link
5 years 125 staying in atlanta
Kemba walker to Knicks!!  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 10:01 am : link
has agreed to a buyout and will sign with Knicks
RE: Kemba walker to Knicks!!  
Stu11 : 8/4/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15321979 nygiants16 said:
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has agreed to a buyout and will sign with Knicks

Wow very interesting. I wanted no part of that contract, but for peanuts I'll definitely take him.
Kemba!  
Enzo : 8/4/2021 10:10 am : link
I'm actaully sorta excited about this even though he was banged up most of last year. He's the latest in a LONG list of past their prime PGs to come to MSG:
Bibby
Baron Davis
Kidd
Mark Jackson (second stint)
Billups
Calderon
and a bunch of others...
Kemba  
GMEN46 : 8/4/2021 10:12 am : link
As long as it’s a trade and it’s not Schroeder I like the move
As long as it’s not a trade*  
GMEN46 : 8/4/2021 10:12 am : link
Correction from above
RE: Kemba!  
Stu11 : 8/4/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15321998 Enzo said:
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I'm actaully sorta excited about this even though he was banged up most of last year. He's the latest in a LONG list of past their prime PGs to come to MSG:
Bibby
Baron Davis
Kidd
Mark Jackson (second stint)
Billups
Calderon
and a bunch of others...

He does sorta fit on that list but most of those guys were in literally the last gasps of their careers. If his knees allow it and that's a biggggg if, he's still in the upper half of NBA starting pg's
I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
Jan in DC : 8/4/2021 10:29 am : link
I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, that he was cooked last year with the Cs, but I can't help it.
Kemba for 8 million is a steal  
larryflower37 : 8/4/2021 10:33 am : link
Kemba
RJ
Fournier
Mitch
Randle

Gets Rose back with Quickley on the 2nd unit.
Rose
Quickley
Obi
Noel
Burks
That's a pretty deep team
RE: I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/4/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15322038 Jan in DC said:
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I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, that he was cooked last year with the Cs, but I can't help it.




He couldn't stay healthy, but he averaged 19ppg on 42% from the field. Not a 3 point shooter but he never was anyway.
RE: RE: I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15322148 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, that he was cooked last year with the Cs, but I can't help it.





He couldn't stay healthy, but he averaged 19ppg on 42% from the field. Not a 3 point shooter but he never was anyway.


He took 8.2 3s per game last year, tied for 12th in the league.
RE: RE: RE: I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/4/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15322154 Jon in NYC said:
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I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, that he was cooked last year with the Cs, but I can't help it.





He couldn't stay healthy, but he averaged 19ppg on 42% from the field. Not a 3 point shooter but he never was anyway.



He took 8.2 3s per game last year, tied for 12th in the league.


I don't think that volume is abnormal for him, but by todays standards hitting 36-37% isn't great. I've never categorized him as a shooter. I think he has one really good year for shooting 3s.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/4/2021 11:45 am : link
In comment 15322171 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't think that volume is abnormal for him, but by todays standards hitting 36-37% isn't great. I've never categorized him as a shooter. I think he has one really good year for shooting 3s.

True, but as a PG you often end up with the ball with the shot clock running out and have to force shots. The rate is good enough that defenders have to respect it and can’t back off him. Sure beats Elfrid’s 28% anyway. :-)
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
Jon in NYC : 8/4/2021 11:46 am : link
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I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, that he was cooked last year with the Cs, but I can't help it.





He couldn't stay healthy, but he averaged 19ppg on 42% from the field. Not a 3 point shooter but he never was anyway.



He took 8.2 3s per game last year, tied for 12th in the league.



I don't think that volume is abnormal for him, but by todays standards hitting 36-37% isn't great. I've never categorized him as a shooter. I think he has one really good year for shooting 3s.


Agreed, not a great percentage but he does take a lot.
RE: RE: RE: I'm pretty excited for Kemba...  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 11:47 am : link
In comment 15322154 Jon in NYC said:
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I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, that he was cooked last year with the Cs, but I can't help it.





He couldn't stay healthy, but he averaged 19ppg on 42% from the field. Not a 3 point shooter but he never was anyway.



He took 8.2 3s per game last year, tied for 12th in the league.


Playing off of Tatum he probably settled for 3s to much
Do we still have a shot at Elfrid?  
adamg : 8/4/2021 12:52 pm : link
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Seriously though  
adamg : 8/4/2021 12:53 pm : link
this is great. Regular season can't get here soon enough.
RE: Do we still have a shot at Elfrid?  
Enzo : 8/4/2021 12:54 pm : link
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it's gonna be tough to out-bid the teams out of Turkey and China that have interest.
RE: Do we still have a shot at Elfrid?  
mavric : 8/4/2021 12:56 pm : link
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LMAO
The Beal's have had some odd tweets  
nygiants16 : 8/4/2021 1:26 pm : link
but who knows, maybe Dinwiddie deal fell through, the owner did make some comments about Westbrook not being loyal
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