This past year was awesome don’t get me wrong but the next 2-3 years being the same or slightly better does nothing for me and to me is a waste of time.
I want to see the Knicks wins championship, nothing else matters to me. I know nothing this offseason was going to get us remotely close to being able to do that, but we have eliminated the next 2 years. Year 3 these become expiring contracts so we can sign and trade for potential stars. Nothing we did this offseason will significantly change the outcome. Worst case scenario is probably a play in game best case scenario is winning the first round of a playoff series, which means we would have to be the 5 seed because 6,7 and 8 is automatic first round knock out.
Thing is, if you like Fournier, sign him. I think he'll be a nice upgrade for this team.
I think my biggest issue is the Noel contract. When you have Mitch, who's a better, younger player with a chance to be an actual 2 way player on the roster, why give that contract to Noel? It's not like he hasn't had his share of injury concerns through the years as well.
Nerlens is very good defensively and a pro's pro. Better than Mitch in a bunch of ways. He earned that contract. Mitch isn't durable either and is an asset you may need to trade for a star. Thibs wants rim protectors behind tight perimeter defenders. You can't put all that on Mitch and not have depth there until Mitch shows he really can be a Gobert/Capela type who can grind it out night after night. Nerlens Noel led the league in Defensive Box Plus-Minus - ( New Window )
This past year was awesome don’t get me wrong but the next 2-3 years being the same or slightly better does nothing for me and to me is a waste of time.
I want to see the Knicks wins championship, nothing else matters to me. I know nothing this offseason was going to get us remotely close to being able to do that, but we have eliminated the next 2 years. Year 3 these become expiring contracts so we can sign and trade for potential stars. Nothing we did this offseason will significantly change the outcome. Worst case scenario is probably a play in game best case scenario is winning the first round of a playoff series, which means we would have to be the 5 seed because 6,7 and 8 is automatic first round knock out.
Wasnt the plan for most to trade for a star?? what changed yesterday? they can still trade for a star player
In FA.
We will never know what others were offering.
I like having him back and if he plays is well as he did last year 10 million is not a lot.
I agree that there were a lot of other priorities for this team for the team at 10 million per.
I would have like to see what was out there before they committed to him but he was obviously a priority signing to Rose since the deal was announced right away.
So what you are saying is that the Knicks gave up on one year-- 2022-3. They weren't ever going to get to the top this upcoming year, and as you note, in 2023-4 these are all expiring contracts. Meanwhile, the Knicks have a bunch of draft picks to either trade or (hopefully) use to upgrade.
It maybe the worse free agent signing of the offseason and its probably not close, maybe Mcdermont 3 for 42 is a close 2nd
It's not even the worst deal at this position. Zach Collins got 3/22 and hasn't played basketball in two years and is coming off his second consecutive foot surgery
It maybe the worse free agent signing of the offseason and its probably not close, maybe Mcdermont 3 for 42 is a close 2nd
It's not even the worst deal at this position. Zach Collins got 3/22 and hasn't played basketball in two years and is coming off his second consecutive foot surgery
Or Caruso at 4/37 is another obvious one that sucks more.
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The Miami Heat have pulled the qualifying offer on Kendrick Nunn, making him an unrestricted free agent, sources tell
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Dude played his ass off in the playoffs. He and Rose were honestly the only ones who seemed to play with real desperation. Everyone else almost seemed to throw up the white flag in games 3-5 as soon as Atlanta went on any sort of run.
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The Miami Heat have pulled the qualifying offer on Kendrick Nunn, making him an unrestricted free agent, sources tell
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Wonder if a team was ready to sign him and he asked to get his qualifying offer rscinded
is insurance against Robinson asking for too much after next season, and either not getting re-signed, or getting aq sign and trade. The Knicks do not want to go into 2022-23 with any rim protection
public, Melo and Russ will have legit shots at a championship. Melo is a very useful player at this point. He finally stopped trying to be a star and it worked well in POR. He should be 20 minutes a game scoring off the bench. Finally gets to play with Lebron, lol.
but he seems more like a scoring guard than a PG and i feel like adding him would really just clog things up at this point with IQ, Burks, Rose and our rookies. Reggie Jackson feels like a guy who could play more of the playmaker role that we need.
This past year was awesome don’t get me wrong but the next 2-3 years being the same or slightly better does nothing for me and to me is a waste of time.
I want to see the Knicks wins championship, nothing else matters to me. I know nothing this offseason was going to get us remotely close to being able to do that, but we have eliminated the next 2 years. Year 3 these become expiring contracts so we can sign and trade for potential stars. Nothing we did this offseason will significantly change the outcome. Worst case scenario is probably a play in game best case scenario is winning the first round of a playoff series, which means we would have to be the 5 seed because 6,7 and 8 is automatic first round knock out.
This line of thinking is why people say rebuilding doesn't work in New York. If you don't see the importance of an organization that still has the stench of being a multiple decade dumpster fire being good and stable for a couple years idk what to tell you.
Why are people saying the contracts are easy to trade
Portland will not want nerlens Noel and Alex Burks for $20 million per year on their cap. Why would they want these players, so in order to take them the cost goes up? Are you guys serious that you think teams are going to be running to the phones begging for nerlens Noel snd Alex Burks on 3 years deals?
QO was 4.7 million
Depending how this plays out the Knicks could still offer a 1 or 2 year deal at 8 million per.
Knicks can offer him an opportunity to prove himself in a pseudo starting role.
QO was 4.7 million
Depending how this plays out the Knicks could still offer a 1 or 2 year deal at 8 million per.
Knicks can offer him an opportunity to prove himself in a pseudo starting role.
I'd be surprised if they couldn't move Knox and free up some of that money too if they wanted to
Why would you give numn 3 years $30 million how is he getting minutes? Another 3 year contract at $10 mil per year to sit in the bench. He would take minutes from grimes, McBride and Quickley. I would rather those guys get the minutes.
RE: Why are people saying the contracts are easy to trade
Portland will not want nerlens Noel and Alex Burks for $20 million per year on their cap. Why would they want these players, so in order to take them the cost goes up? Are you guys serious that you think teams are going to be running to the phones begging for nerlens Noel snd Alex Burks on 3 years deals?
Because Burks and Noel at 10 million to a team at the deadline are definitely a possibility.
These are not 20 million dollars deals.
These are players that have proven to be assets.
Burks is instant offense and has proven to be able to play big at the end of games.
Noel is one of the best rim protectors around and did it in big spots last season.
10 million is nothing to fit under a cap.
Why would you give numn 3 years $30 million how is he getting minutes? Another 3 year contract at $10 mil per year to sit in the bench. He would take minutes from grimes, McBride and Quickley. I would rather those guys get the minutes.
He would start.
Rose, IQ, Burks off the bench. McBride in the G League to start.
To be the starting pg even though he is not a point guard?
Look, ideally we'd land CP3 in his prime. It's not happening. We're all grasping at straws to solve the decade long hole at the 1 spot. Is he a quarterback type? No. But neither is Rose for the most part. The offense will run thru JR quite a bit and hopefully the surrounding pieces (improved RJB, upgrade of the 3rd option in EF etc.) are better. Can Nunn play a viable role here? Yeah.
That's an 11 man rotation, before you even get to McBride and Grimes.
Too many.
If Knicks are going to add significant PG help (Nunn or whoever), the superfluous guy, to me, is Burks.
People say: why not bring Burks back? The answer is because you gave a ton of money to Fournier, who wasn't here last year. And you have RJ and IQ.
Right now, you can at least rationalize Burks as a ball handler, because Knicks are short at PG. You fill that hole and you're paying Burks a lot of money to eat minutes from guys who should be on the court.
To be the starting pg even though he is not a point guard?
He played 63 games at PG his rookie year.
As most have stated is he a play making PG no.
He is not strong defender either but you can't deny his shot making ability at the PG position.
If you can get him on a prove it deal at this point it's a steal.
Another young shooter on the cheap.
I don't see him getting a long deal right now and we can offer playing time and still the opportunity to win.
I just don't think Thibs would be big on his lack of defense.
it's likely to be a multi-year deal. They won't have cap space for the next two years so while they still have it they're going to want to sign someone to a multi-year deal to have salaries to match in trades later.
his defense comes and goes. This seems backed up by even Heat fans. To me, that means somebody like Thibs might really help him
"His defensive intensity is a world better than it was last season. This is the best way to describe it.
Last season, there were a ton of times where you wondered if he was asleep or not. Rotations would happen, passes would go by, or players would relocate and Nunn wouldn’t move, turn his head, or anything.
Then, you have this season. He seems like a different guy.
Whether it be getting in on the scrums, diving through passes, or simply fighting harder on that side than he has before, you can see a different level of defensive intensity from the guy. I love it and along with his ability to simply knock down shots, his increased level of defensive effort is a welcomed sight and a reason to continue to keep him around as well." Link - ( New Window )
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Sources: The San Antonio Spurs are finalizing sending DeMar DeRozan to the Chicago Bulls for Thad Young, a future first-round pick and two second-round picks.
Just recently, head coach Erik Spoelstra was full of praise for the manner in which Nunn has responded:
“K. Nunn has incredible competitive character. He really does. He has a grit and a perseverance to him that not only do you have confidence that he’ll be able to respond with this kind of adversity, but you respect him so much that you’re, like, really rooting for him, and you really want it of him. It was great just to see all the work that nobody else does see behind the scenes. He just grinds and works at it every day….We needed playmaking. We needed scoring.”
While somewhat limited at just 6’2″, Nunn’s propensity to dig in defensively has started to deliver some positive results. Averaging 1.2 steals per game for the season, Nunn has averaged 5.5 deflections and 3.5 steals over his past two games, thus providing coach Spoelstra with something additional to Nunn’s primary role as a scorer. Link - ( New Window )
They desperately need this with Kawhi out for most of the regular season.
I want to see the Knicks wins championship, nothing else matters to me. I know nothing this offseason was going to get us remotely close to being able to do that, but we have eliminated the next 2 years. Year 3 these become expiring contracts so we can sign and trade for potential stars. Nothing we did this offseason will significantly change the outcome. Worst case scenario is probably a play in game best case scenario is winning the first round of a playoff series, which means we would have to be the 5 seed because 6,7 and 8 is automatic first round knock out.
just proves the point you dknt need cap space to have a chance at high priced guys
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I will take 7-8 less wins to save cap space.
Thing is, if you like Fournier, sign him. I think he'll be a nice upgrade for this team.
I think my biggest issue is the Noel contract. When you have Mitch, who's a better, younger player with a chance to be an actual 2 way player on the roster, why give that contract to Noel? It's not like he hasn't had his share of injury concerns through the years as well.
Nerlens is very good defensively and a pro's pro. Better than Mitch in a bunch of ways. He earned that contract. Mitch isn't durable either and is an asset you may need to trade for a star. Thibs wants rim protectors behind tight perimeter defenders. You can't put all that on Mitch and not have depth there until Mitch shows he really can be a Gobert/Capela type who can grind it out night after night.
Nerlens Noel led the league in Defensive Box Plus-Minus - ( New Window )
I want to see the Knicks wins championship, nothing else matters to me. I know nothing this offseason was going to get us remotely close to being able to do that, but we have eliminated the next 2 years. Year 3 these become expiring contracts so we can sign and trade for potential stars. Nothing we did this offseason will significantly change the outcome. Worst case scenario is probably a play in game best case scenario is winning the first round of a playoff series, which means we would have to be the 5 seed because 6,7 and 8 is automatic first round knock out.
Wasnt the plan for most to trade for a star?? what changed yesterday? they can still trade for a star player
We will never know what others were offering.
I like having him back and if he plays is well as he did last year 10 million is not a lot.
I agree that there were a lot of other priorities for this team for the team at 10 million per.
I would have like to see what was out there before they committed to him but he was obviously a priority signing to Rose since the deal was announced right away.
It's not even the worst deal at this position. Zach Collins got 3/22 and hasn't played basketball in two years and is coming off his second consecutive foot surgery
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It maybe the worse free agent signing of the offseason and its probably not close, maybe Mcdermont 3 for 42 is a close 2nd
It's not even the worst deal at this position. Zach Collins got 3/22 and hasn't played basketball in two years and is coming off his second consecutive foot surgery
Or Caruso at 4/37 is another obvious one that sucks more.
It's a fine deal, not great, but fine.
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The Miami Heat have pulled the qualifying offer on Kendrick Nunn, making him an unrestricted free agent, sources tell
@TheAthletic
@Stadium
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@ShamsCharania
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The Miami Heat have pulled the qualifying offer on Kendrick Nunn, making him an unrestricted free agent, sources tell
@TheAthletic
@Stadium
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Wonder if a team was ready to sign him and he asked to get his qualifying offer rscinded
Lebron, Howard, Melo, Westbrook, AD
NBA is fun and all, but it could be so much better without the hand-picked superstar teams.
I almost never root for the defending champs but lets go Bucks.
I want to see the Knicks wins championship, nothing else matters to me. I know nothing this offseason was going to get us remotely close to being able to do that, but we have eliminated the next 2 years. Year 3 these become expiring contracts so we can sign and trade for potential stars. Nothing we did this offseason will significantly change the outcome. Worst case scenario is probably a play in game best case scenario is winning the first round of a playoff series, which means we would have to be the 5 seed because 6,7 and 8 is automatic first round knock out.
This line of thinking is why people say rebuilding doesn't work in New York. If you don't see the importance of an organization that still has the stench of being a multiple decade dumpster fire being good and stable for a couple years idk what to tell you.
Depending how this plays out the Knicks could still offer a 1 or 2 year deal at 8 million per.
Knicks can offer him an opportunity to prove himself in a pseudo starting role.
Depending how this plays out the Knicks could still offer a 1 or 2 year deal at 8 million per.
Knicks can offer him an opportunity to prove himself in a pseudo starting role.
I'd be surprised if they couldn't move Knox and free up some of that money too if they wanted to
Because Burks and Noel at 10 million to a team at the deadline are definitely a possibility.
These are not 20 million dollars deals.
These are players that have proven to be assets.
Burks is instant offense and has proven to be able to play big at the end of games.
Noel is one of the best rim protectors around and did it in big spots last season.
10 million is nothing to fit under a cap.
He would start.
Rose, IQ, Burks off the bench. McBride in the G League to start.
He's a combo guard. But you're playing with 3 other guys that are plus passers for their position.
As I said above I'd prefer it if he was a better playmaker but if he was a better playmaker he wouldn't be on the market.
Not a lot of 25 year olds who shoot 49% from the field and 38% from 3 that hit free agency.
Look, ideally we'd land CP3 in his prime. It's not happening. We're all grasping at straws to solve the decade long hole at the 1 spot. Is he a quarterback type? No. But neither is Rose for the most part. The offense will run thru JR quite a bit and hopefully the surrounding pieces (improved RJB, upgrade of the 3rd option in EF etc.) are better. Can Nunn play a viable role here? Yeah.
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To be the starting pg even though he is not a point guard?
He's a combo guard. But you're playing with 3 other guys that are plus passers for their position.
As I said above I'd prefer it if he was a better playmaker but if he was a better playmaker he wouldn't be on the market.
Not a lot of 25 year olds who shoot 49% from the field and 38% from 3 that hit free agency.
58% from 2...93% from the line.
Rose, IQ, Burks, Obi, Taj, Noel
That's an 11 man rotation, before you even get to McBride and Grimes.
Too many.
If Knicks are going to add significant PG help (Nunn or whoever), the superfluous guy, to me, is Burks.
People say: why not bring Burks back? The answer is because you gave a ton of money to Fournier, who wasn't here last year. And you have RJ and IQ.
Right now, you can at least rationalize Burks as a ball handler, because Knicks are short at PG. You fill that hole and you're paying Burks a lot of money to eat minutes from guys who should be on the court.
He played 63 games at PG his rookie year.
As most have stated is he a play making PG no.
He is not strong defender either but you can't deny his shot making ability at the PG position.
If you can get him on a prove it deal at this point it's a steal.
Another young shooter on the cheap.
I don't see him getting a long deal right now and we can offer playing time and still the opportunity to win.
I just don't think Thibs would be big on his lack of defense.
"His defensive intensity is a world better than it was last season. This is the best way to describe it.
Last season, there were a ton of times where you wondered if he was asleep or not. Rotations would happen, passes would go by, or players would relocate and Nunn wouldn’t move, turn his head, or anything.
Then, you have this season. He seems like a different guy.
Whether it be getting in on the scrums, diving through passes, or simply fighting harder on that side than he has before, you can see a different level of defensive intensity from the guy. I love it and along with his ability to simply knock down shots, his increased level of defensive effort is a welcomed sight and a reason to continue to keep him around as well."
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Sources: The San Antonio Spurs are finalizing sending DeMar DeRozan to the Chicago Bulls for Thad Young, a future first-round pick and two second-round picks.
Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
“K. Nunn has incredible competitive character. He really does. He has a grit and a perseverance to him that not only do you have confidence that he’ll be able to respond with this kind of adversity, but you respect him so much that you’re, like, really rooting for him, and you really want it of him. It was great just to see all the work that nobody else does see behind the scenes. He just grinds and works at it every day….We needed playmaking. We needed scoring.”
While somewhat limited at just 6’2″, Nunn’s propensity to dig in defensively has started to deliver some positive results. Averaging 1.2 steals per game for the season, Nunn has averaged 5.5 deflections and 3.5 steals over his past two games, thus providing coach Spoelstra with something additional to Nunn’s primary role as a scorer.
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Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
That's brutal defensively lol. Ball is the only average to above average defender there
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are really going for it. Three future firsts gone.
Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
That's brutal defensively lol. Ball is the only average to above average defender there
Yeah they won't win much in the playoffs but that should get them to the playoffs. I think Vucevic is super underrated, as is Lavine.