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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
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Cap Space is overrated. The Bulls had none and got Ball and Derozan.
Derozan was not a great fit with the Knicks, but the Bulls have to be considered in the mix in the Eastern Conference 2nd tier with the Knicks, Hawks, Pacers, Hornets and Celtics.
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
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If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
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If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
Yeah no thank you.
That's a deal that won't age well.
are really going for it. Three future firsts gone.
Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
what's interesting to me is that we probably had the pieces to mirror these last 3 big moves by the Bulls (Vucevic at the deadline and Ball/Derozan this week). Of course they already had a very good lead guard in the fold in LaVine.
defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan
defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan
As a bulls fan I'd probably be happy about that in the short term. Longer term we've seen this play out time and time again where teams empty their coffers to keep a star only for that star to still force their way out because they're stuck in mediocrity without any assets to take another step forward
defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan
As a bulls fan I'd probably be happy about that in the short term. Longer term we've seen this play out time and time again where teams empty their coffers to keep a star only for that star to still force their way out because they're stuck in mediocrity without any assets to take another step forward
Fair but Ball is 23, Williams is 20 next season, Dosunmu was expected to go round 1 and he landed there round 2 and they still have Markkanen who is 24 + White who is 21. I think the Bulls have a decent young core.
Out of curiosity, has anyone formally reported the Rose deal is fully guaranteed? I assume so but I haven't seen that actually stated (whereas I did for the Noel and Burks deals).
Out of curiosity, has anyone formally reported the Rose deal is fully guaranteed? I assume so but I haven't seen that actually stated (whereas I did for the Noel and Burks deals).
No. Burks was reported as fully guaranteed but I don't believe Noel has (yet)
are really going for it. Three future firsts gone.
Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
That's brutal defensively lol. Ball is the only average to above average defender there
They are brutal defensively when you completely mess up the rotation. Patrick Williams will be starting, who is a very good defender. Lauri is a RFA and likely gone. Ball is a good defender as well. Caruso is a very good defender and will be getting a lot of time as well. Previous regime did a terrible job bringing in poor defensive players. It is changing quite a bit. Not the old Pistons by any stretch of the imagination, but should be middle of the pack
Also, what are the three future firsts? One from Vucevic, and now one for Derozan? Am I missing one? There was another 1st for Vucevic, but that was the past draft, so is no longer a future first
Markkanen 25 in March (sign and trade?)
White 22 in Feb
Ball 24 in October
Vucevic 31 in October
Williams 20 in August
LaVine 27 in March
Caruso 27
Dosunmu 22 in January
DeRozan 33
Will they win a title? Who knows? Probably not but that's not bad at all.
To take on some bad contracts if we were giving up on free agency next year. Bledsoe or adams bad contracts would have been great to add to fill the cap space.
Markkanen 25 in March (sign and trade?)
White 22 in Feb
Ball 24 in October
Vucevic 31 in October
Williams 20 in August
LaVine 27 in March
Caruso 27
Dosunmu 22 in January
DeRozan 33
Will they win a title? Who knows? Probably not but that's not bad at all.
Yeah, as a Bulls fan I am beyond thrilled with the new regime. Marko Simonivic is also coming over. He is 21 and is an intriguing player
They're being bold. I don't know how much DeRozan has left, but they're certainly putting together a nice team around LaVine. They have a bunch of guys who can score. If they're able to get some good chemistry, then they could put together a run.
kay show is focused on the Knicks not improving while teams like Indy (how?) and Miami are. And teams like ATL and Boston (they actually LOL'd about how much better Boston is than NYK) are much better
Kay is a fucking idiot shit stirrer. He shouldn't be allowed to talk NBA. HE knows baseball, still sucks there too, but he knows the game and nuances. NBA he is fucking lost.
The Knicks got better and have 3-4 young players (not counting rooks) that COULD in fact get better. They probably will, because this team is well coached and players improved from 19-20 to 20-21 under Thibs.
If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
So true. I'm sure the Bulls will be praised though
Reality is Bulls have been just like the Knicks in that neither has been able to attract marquee FAs. This is the reality of how you have to acquire talent. 2nd rounders are lotto tickets, and chances are the 1st rounder will not contribute as much as Derozan.
Since last year, Bulls have added Williams, Vucevic, Ball, Derozan, and Caruso to Lavine, White. That’s a pretty impressive improvement for the outlook of the organization.
kay show is focused on the Knicks not improving while teams like Indy (how?) and Miami are. And teams like ATL and Boston (they actually LOL'd about how much better Boston is than NYK) are much better
Kay is a fucking idiot shit stirrer. He shouldn't be allowed to talk NBA. HE knows baseball, still sucks there too, but he knows the game and nuances. NBA he is fucking lost.
The Knicks got better and have 3-4 young players (not counting rooks) that COULD in fact get better. They probably will, because this team is well coached and players improved from 19-20 to 20-21 under Thibs.
Rant over. Kay sucks
there is a reason his show is going down the shitter, i feel bad for Kagreca stuck with those 2 morons
Adrian Wojnarowski
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Restricted free agent Talen Horton-Tucker has agreed to a three-year, $32M deal to stay with the Los Angeles Lakers, his agents
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CEO Rich Paul and Lucas Newton tell ESPN.
With Begleys report, that very much changes my view of these deals. All are neutral or better IMO. Makes the middle path of incremental improvement with flexibility more obvious.
"All of the contracts agreed to on Monday were not fully guaranteed in the final season"
That reads as if the Knicks can't clear them off the books, we need to see what the guarantees look like before we can really judge. Obviously, that's better than fully guaranteed either way.
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Free agent guard Kendrick Nunn has agreed to a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, source tells ESPN. Deal includes a player option. Nunn turned down significantly more money to chase a title with the Lakers.
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Nunn's deal has a player option in Year 2. He turned down more money with the Knicks and other teams to join the Lakers.
Shams Charania
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic
@Stadium
Derozan was not a great fit with the Knicks, but the Bulls have to be considered in the mix in the Eastern Conference 2nd tier with the Knicks, Hawks, Pacers, Hornets and Celtics.
Shams Charania
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic
@Stadium
If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
So true. I'm sure the Bulls will be praised though
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Wow this is a lot more than I expected.
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic
@Stadium
If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
Yeah no thank you.
That's a deal that won't age well.
Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
what's interesting to me is that we probably had the pieces to mirror these last 3 big moves by the Bulls (Vucevic at the deadline and Ball/Derozan this week). Of course they already had a very good lead guard in the fold in LaVine.
As a bulls fan I'd probably be happy about that in the short term. Longer term we've seen this play out time and time again where teams empty their coffers to keep a star only for that star to still force their way out because they're stuck in mediocrity without any assets to take another step forward
I would take jj reddick 1 year $20 million over Fournier.
If we added
Reddick over Fournier
Porter over Burks
Drummond over Noel
And kept all of the other players the same, what’s the win differential between for the Knicks by switching out those 3 players? 1 game maybe 2?
Garbage take.
And adds some much needed defense
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defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan
As a bulls fan I'd probably be happy about that in the short term. Longer term we've seen this play out time and time again where teams empty their coffers to keep a star only for that star to still force their way out because they're stuck in mediocrity without any assets to take another step forward
Fair but Ball is 23, Williams is 20 next season, Dosunmu was expected to go round 1 and he landed there round 2 and they still have Markkanen who is 24 + White who is 21. I think the Bulls have a decent young core.
No. Burks was reported as fully guaranteed but I don't believe Noel has (yet)
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are really going for it. Three future firsts gone.
Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic
Not a bad starting 5
That's brutal defensively lol. Ball is the only average to above average defender there
They are brutal defensively when you completely mess up the rotation. Patrick Williams will be starting, who is a very good defender. Lauri is a RFA and likely gone. Ball is a good defender as well. Caruso is a very good defender and will be getting a lot of time as well. Previous regime did a terrible job bringing in poor defensive players. It is changing quite a bit. Not the old Pistons by any stretch of the imagination, but should be middle of the pack
Also, what are the three future firsts? One from Vucevic, and now one for Derozan? Am I missing one? There was another 1st for Vucevic, but that was the past draft, so is no longer a future first
White 22 in Feb
Ball 24 in October
Vucevic 31 in October
Williams 20 in August
LaVine 27 in March
Caruso 27
Dosunmu 22 in January
DeRozan 33
Will they win a title? Who knows? Probably not but that's not bad at all.
Locks - Bucks/Nets/Hawks/Sixers/Bulls/Heat
Fringe - Celtics/Knicks/Hornets/Wizards/Pacers
Maybe fringe - Cavs/Raptors
Lottery - Magic/Pistons
White 22 in Feb
Ball 24 in October
Vucevic 31 in October
Williams 20 in August
LaVine 27 in March
Caruso 27
Dosunmu 22 in January
DeRozan 33
Will they win a title? Who knows? Probably not but that's not bad at all.
Yeah, as a Bulls fan I am beyond thrilled with the new regime. Marko Simonivic is also coming over. He is 21 and is an intriguing player
Kay is a fucking idiot shit stirrer. He shouldn't be allowed to talk NBA. HE knows baseball, still sucks there too, but he knows the game and nuances. NBA he is fucking lost.
The Knicks got better and have 3-4 young players (not counting rooks) that COULD in fact get better. They probably will, because this team is well coached and players improved from 19-20 to 20-21 under Thibs.
Rant over. Kay sucks
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If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
So true. I'm sure the Bulls will be praised though
Reality is Bulls have been just like the Knicks in that neither has been able to attract marquee FAs. This is the reality of how you have to acquire talent. 2nd rounders are lotto tickets, and chances are the 1st rounder will not contribute as much as Derozan.
Since last year, Bulls have added Williams, Vucevic, Ball, Derozan, and Caruso to Lavine, White. That’s a pretty impressive improvement for the outlook of the organization.
I think it could work
Kay is a fucking idiot shit stirrer. He shouldn't be allowed to talk NBA. HE knows baseball, still sucks there too, but he knows the game and nuances. NBA he is fucking lost.
The Knicks got better and have 3-4 young players (not counting rooks) that COULD in fact get better. They probably will, because this team is well coached and players improved from 19-20 to 20-21 under Thibs.
Rant over. Kay sucks
there is a reason his show is going down the shitter, i feel bad for Kagreca stuck with those 2 morons
Their additions are Tony Snell, Cody Zeller and Ben Mclemore.
i am in the minority i like carton
Wow, pretty big news there.
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Restricted free agent Talen Horton-Tucker has agreed to a three-year, $32M deal to stay with the Los Angeles Lakers, his agents
@KlutchSports
CEO Rich Paul and Lucas Newton tell ESPN.
My mistake you are right, not fully guaranteed 3rd years, so we dont know how much of it is guaranteed
This deserves greater attention.
That reads as if the Knicks can't clear them off the books, we need to see what the guarantees look like before we can really judge. Obviously, that's better than fully guaranteed either way.
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Kendrick Nunn has agreed to a two-year, $10M deal with the Lakers, his agent Adam Pensack tells
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Free agent guard Kendrick Nunn has agreed to a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, source tells ESPN. Deal includes a player option. Nunn turned down significantly more money to chase a title with the Lakers.
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Nunn's deal has a player option in Year 2. He turned down more money with the Knicks and other teams to join the Lakers.