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Anakim : 8/2/2021 6:00 pm
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Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 4:05 pm : link
Wow this is a lot more than I expected.

Shams Charania
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
Cap Space  
Pete44 : 8/3/2021 4:07 pm : link
Cap Space is overrated. The Bulls had none and got Ball and Derozan.

Derozan was not a great fit with the Knicks, but the Bulls have to be considered in the mix in the Eastern Conference 2nd tier with the Knicks, Hawks, Pacers, Hornets and Celtics.
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Jon in NYC : 8/3/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15321414 Strahan91 said:
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Wow this is a lot more than I expected.

Shams Charania
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DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium


If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.
Any chance the Bulls move on from Coby White?  
Anakim : 8/3/2021 4:08 pm : link
I’d like him on the Knicks
Remember  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 4:09 pm : link
when Lowry/DeRozan were going to take less to go home, or the market wouldn't develop...nearly 180 between them lol
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Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15321418 Jon in NYC said:
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If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.

So true. I'm sure the Bulls will be praised though
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larryflower37 : 8/3/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15321418 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15321414 Strahan91 said:


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Wow this is a lot more than I expected.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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3m
DeMar DeRozan is finalizing a three-year, $85 million-plus deal to join the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium



If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.


Yeah no thank you.
That's a deal that won't age well.
RE: The Bulls  
Enzo : 8/3/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15321407 Jon in NYC said:
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are really going for it. Three future firsts gone.

Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic

Not a bad starting 5

what's interesting to me is that we probably had the pieces to mirror these last 3 big moves by the Bulls (Vucevic at the deadline and Ball/Derozan this week). Of course they already had a very good lead guard in the fold in LaVine.
what does Chicago's  
Enzo : 8/3/2021 4:15 pm : link
cap look like now? I wonder if the dollars they've committed - plus a looming huge new contract for LaVine - impact how they handle Markennen.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 4:21 pm : link
defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan
Totally  
Jon in NYC : 8/3/2021 4:27 pm : link
forgot about Patrick Williams, who probably starts at the 4 for them.
RE: Not  
Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15321426 DanMetroMan said:
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defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan

As a bulls fan I'd probably be happy about that in the short term. Longer term we've seen this play out time and time again where teams empty their coffers to keep a star only for that star to still force their way out because they're stuck in mediocrity without any assets to take another step forward
RE: Rudy Gay  
bigschott : 8/3/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15321260 GMEN46 said:
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2 years $12 million total va Alex Burks for 3 years $30 million, no brainer.

I would take jj reddick 1 year $20 million over Fournier.

If we added
Reddick over Fournier
Porter over Burks
Drummond over Noel

And kept all of the other players the same, what’s the win differential between for the Knicks by switching out those 3 players? 1 game maybe 2?


Garbage take.
RE: Totally  
Heisenberg : 8/3/2021 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15321429 Jon in NYC said:
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forgot about Patrick Williams, who probably starts at the 4 for them.


And adds some much needed defense
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DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15321430 Strahan91 said:
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defending the Bulls but this was likely done in part to appease LaVine. If the Knicks were looking to appease/keep a young superstar I think we'd be "less" bothered by giving up assets for DeRozan


As a bulls fan I'd probably be happy about that in the short term. Longer term we've seen this play out time and time again where teams empty their coffers to keep a star only for that star to still force their way out because they're stuck in mediocrity without any assets to take another step forward


Fair but Ball is 23, Williams is 20 next season, Dosunmu was expected to go round 1 and he landed there round 2 and they still have Markkanen who is 24 + White who is 21. I think the Bulls have a decent young core.
DRose  
31southst : 8/3/2021 4:30 pm : link
Out of curiosity, has anyone formally reported the Rose deal is fully guaranteed? I assume so but I haven't seen that actually stated (whereas I did for the Noel and Burks deals).
RE: DRose  
Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15321438 31southst said:
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Out of curiosity, has anyone formally reported the Rose deal is fully guaranteed? I assume so but I haven't seen that actually stated (whereas I did for the Noel and Burks deals).

No. Burks was reported as fully guaranteed but I don't believe Noel has (yet)
RE: RE: The Bulls  
KDavies : 8/3/2021 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15321411 Strahan91 said:
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are really going for it. Three future firsts gone.

Ball-Lavine-Derozan-Lauri?-Vucevic

Not a bad starting 5


That's brutal defensively lol. Ball is the only average to above average defender there


They are brutal defensively when you completely mess up the rotation. Patrick Williams will be starting, who is a very good defender. Lauri is a RFA and likely gone. Ball is a good defender as well. Caruso is a very good defender and will be getting a lot of time as well. Previous regime did a terrible job bringing in poor defensive players. It is changing quite a bit. Not the old Pistons by any stretch of the imagination, but should be middle of the pack

Also, what are the three future firsts? One from Vucevic, and now one for Derozan? Am I missing one? There was another 1st for Vucevic, but that was the past draft, so is no longer a future first
Laid out-  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 4:34 pm : link
Markkanen 25 in March (sign and trade?)
White 22 in Feb
Ball 24 in October
Vucevic 31 in October
Williams 20 in August
LaVine 27 in March
Caruso 27
Dosunmu 22 in January
DeRozan 33

Will they win a title? Who knows? Probably not but that's not bad at all.
too soon Eastern Conference playoff picture  
Enzo : 8/3/2021 4:36 pm : link
for 21/22:

Locks - Bucks/Nets/Hawks/Sixers/Bulls/Heat

Fringe - Celtics/Knicks/Hornets/Wizards/Pacers

Maybe fringe - Cavs/Raptors

Lottery - Magic/Pistons
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 4:36 pm : link
think he's including the pick they already lost (2021 to Orlando) they owe 2023 to Orlando and a "future 1st" to the Spurs.
Would have been nice  
GMEN46 : 8/3/2021 4:37 pm : link
To take on some bad contracts if we were giving up on free agency next year. Bledsoe or adams bad contracts would have been great to add to fill the cap space.
if Lauri stays, he is offense off the bench  
KDavies : 8/3/2021 4:37 pm : link
just like Coby
RE: Laid out-  
KDavies : 8/3/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15321442 DanMetroMan said:
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Markkanen 25 in March (sign and trade?)
White 22 in Feb
Ball 24 in October
Vucevic 31 in October
Williams 20 in August
LaVine 27 in March
Caruso 27
Dosunmu 22 in January
DeRozan 33

Will they win a title? Who knows? Probably not but that's not bad at all.


Yeah, as a Bulls fan I am beyond thrilled with the new regime. Marko Simonivic is also coming over. He is 21 and is an intriguing player
Enzo  
GMEN46 : 8/3/2021 4:40 pm : link
That seems right
I will give it to the Bulls  
Jan in DC : 8/3/2021 4:44 pm : link
They're being bold. I don't know how much DeRozan has left, but they're certainly putting together a nice team around LaVine. They have a bunch of guys who can score. If they're able to get some good chemistry, then they could put together a run.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/3/2021 4:46 pm : link
Hate them but good offseason thus far from Chicago.
why do I even bother with talk sports radio anymore  
djm : 8/3/2021 4:48 pm : link
kay show is focused on the Knicks not improving while teams like Indy (how?) and Miami are. And teams like ATL and Boston (they actually LOL'd about how much better Boston is than NYK) are much better

Kay is a fucking idiot shit stirrer. He shouldn't be allowed to talk NBA. HE knows baseball, still sucks there too, but he knows the game and nuances. NBA he is fucking lost.

The Knicks got better and have 3-4 young players (not counting rooks) that COULD in fact get better. They probably will, because this team is well coached and players improved from 19-20 to 20-21 under Thibs.

Rant over. Kay sucks
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KDavies : 8/3/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15321421 Strahan91 said:
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If the Knicks traded a rotation piece and 3 picks for the right to give Derozan that deal we'd be clowned for eternity.


So true. I'm sure the Bulls will be praised though


Reality is Bulls have been just like the Knicks in that neither has been able to attract marquee FAs. This is the reality of how you have to acquire talent. 2nd rounders are lotto tickets, and chances are the 1st rounder will not contribute as much as Derozan.

Since last year, Bulls have added Williams, Vucevic, Ball, Derozan, and Caruso to Lavine, White. That’s a pretty impressive improvement for the outlook of the organization.
I think it is actually a really good fit  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2021 4:52 pm : link
Derozan is a good facilitator, Lavine, Ball and Vucevic can really play off of him..

I think it could work
RE: why do I even bother with talk sports radio anymore  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2021 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15321463 djm said:
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kay show is focused on the Knicks not improving while teams like Indy (how?) and Miami are. And teams like ATL and Boston (they actually LOL'd about how much better Boston is than NYK) are much better

Kay is a fucking idiot shit stirrer. He shouldn't be allowed to talk NBA. HE knows baseball, still sucks there too, but he knows the game and nuances. NBA he is fucking lost.

The Knicks got better and have 3-4 young players (not counting rooks) that COULD in fact get better. They probably will, because this team is well coached and players improved from 19-20 to 20-21 under Thibs.

Rant over. Kay sucks


there is a reason his show is going down the shitter, i feel bad for Kagreca stuck with those 2 morons
I mean  
Jon in NYC : 8/3/2021 4:58 pm : link
what can Dame possibly be thinking right now.

Their additions are Tony Snell, Cody Zeller and Ben Mclemore.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/3/2021 4:58 pm : link
Kay is awful radio. I would listen to Roberts but he has that clown as a co-host.
all of the deals signed yesterday  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2021 5:00 pm : link
ahve non guaranteed 3rd years according tk Begs
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nygiants16 : 8/3/2021 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15321474 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Kay is awful radio. I would listen to Roberts but he has that clown as a co-host.


i am in the minority i like carton
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DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 5:02 pm : link
Per @IanBegley @knicks have roughly 8 million in cap room remaining and are looking to add a guard
RE: all of the deals signed yesterday  
Jon in NYC : 8/3/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15321477 nygiants16 said:
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ahve non guaranteed 3rd years according tk Begs


Wow, pretty big news there.
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DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 5:02 pm : link
"Knicks were active in pursuit of guard;"-Begley
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Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 5:02 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Restricted free agent Talen Horton-Tucker has agreed to a three-year, $32M deal to stay with the Los Angeles Lakers, his agents
@KlutchSports
CEO Rich Paul and Lucas Newton tell ESPN.
FA  
31southst : 8/3/2021 5:04 pm : link
With Begleys report, that very much changes my view of these deals. All are neutral or better IMO. Makes the middle path of incremental improvement with flexibility more obvious.
Unless  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 5:06 pm : link
you're reading something I'm not, that's not exactly what he said. He said the 3rd years aren't fully guaranteed.
RE: Unless  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15321487 DanMetroMan said:
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you're reading something I'm not, that's not exactly what he said. He said the 3rd years aren't fully guaranteed.


My mistake you are right, not fully guaranteed 3rd years, so we dont know how much of it is guaranteed
RE: all of the deals signed yesterday  
Really : 8/3/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15321477 nygiants16 said:
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ahve non guaranteed 3rd years according tk Begs


This deserves greater attention.
Begley  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 5:09 pm : link
"All of the contracts agreed to on Monday were not fully guaranteed in the final season"

That reads as if the Knicks can't clear them off the books, we need to see what the guarantees look like before we can really judge. Obviously, that's better than fully guaranteed either way.
holy cow  
Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 5:11 pm : link
Shams Charania
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Kendrick Nunn has agreed to a two-year, $10M deal with the Lakers, his agent Adam Pensack tells
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
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Unreal  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2021 5:12 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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Free agent guard Kendrick Nunn has agreed to a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, source tells ESPN. Deal includes a player option. Nunn turned down significantly more money to chase a title with the Lakers.
I understand why most guys sign with the Lakers  
Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 5:12 pm : link
but Nunn likely gave up more money to play more minutes in am ore prominent role elsewhere. Doesn't really make sense to me
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Strahan91 : 8/3/2021 5:12 pm : link
Shams Charania
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Nunn's deal has a player option in Year 2. He turned down more money with the Knicks and other teams to join the Lakers.
I don’t like to criticize other agents  
ajr2456 : 8/3/2021 5:13 pm : link
But that seems like poor representation
God  
Jon in NYC : 8/3/2021 5:13 pm : link
fucking damnit. He clearly was a guy we wanted.

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