As media and fans about the PG depth chart.
I feel like this was their plan all along.
Rose, Fournier, Noel and Burks.
It tough to swallow but they moved quickly on all 4.
As media and fans about the PG depth chart.
I feel like this was their plan all along.
Rose, Fournier, Noel and Burks.
It tough to swallow but they moved quickly on all 4.
There is a lot of smoke around the Kbicks thinking they can get Lillard, perhaps they are not spendingnon PG because of that?
I love how everyone on here thinks there is some magical trade coming. And that these players are signed to be traded. There is no trade coming. You can’t trade free agent signings until December. This is the team that we are playing with plus whatever bum of a pg they spend the rest of their money on.
Do you honestly think people here think the knicks signed these guys to trade them? People who speculate about a trade are talking about IQ/Obi/Mitch/Rookies/picks as the assets that a trade would come from whether it be for sexton, brunson etc. Obviously a Dame trade is a different story but that doesnt appear to be a summer thing so we'll see on that.
I love how everyone on here thinks there is some magical trade coming. And that these players are signed to be traded. There is no trade coming. You can’t trade free agent signings until December. This is the team that we are playing with plus whatever bum of a pg they spend the rest of their money on.
Nobkdy said anything about trading the players they signed, gice it a rest we get it you are miserable...
Knicks and mavs discussed a sign and trade for Bullock, doesnt know if that could still be an option
Why would the Mavs do that?
Usually for 1 of 2 reasons. Either they want to save cap space by sending the Knicks a player or two back or the Knicks kick in a 2nd round pick or something to get a trade exception.
kinda bummed about Nunn as he could have at least competed with guys here. I mean i wanted no part of schroeder and if he is some sort of cancer then forget it, but i mean schroeder at 8 mill is a pretty good deal. I said it earlier but he is basically a good version of Elf (Penatrating guard, ehh distributor, cant shoot) and a better version of elf is still an improvement.
Id like to know what the deal is with the 3rd year. Is it like 8 of 10 mill is guaranteed or like 2 of 10 mill, ha, makes a big diff.
NYK cannot keep getting credit for not executing bad contracts. At some point, they have to do something impactful.
kinda bummed about Nunn as he could have at least competed with guys here. I mean i wanted no part of schroeder and if he is some sort of cancer then forget it, but i mean schroeder at 8 mill is a pretty good deal. I said it earlier but he is basically a good version of Elf (Penatrating guard, ehh distributor, cant shoot) and a better version of elf is still an improvement.
Id like to know what the deal is with the 3rd year. Is it like 8 of 10 mill is guaranteed or like 2 of 10 mill, ha, makes a big diff.
NYK cannot keep getting credit for not executing bad contracts. At some point, they have to do something impactful.
You mean after being pathetic for so long and signing expensive Free agents that kept leading us nowhere- getting a 4th seed with the season they had - you refer that to "not impactful?"
How "impactful" were the Nets before getting Durant, Irving and Harden? How many playoff series did they win?
You see how the Nets became a title threat. You see how Lakers got LeBron and Davis. So why do you want to settle for non-superstars?
with Bullock in a sign and trade to dallas for Brunson?
I don't know. Brunson is a UFA next offseason. I'd love to be able to bring in Brunson though. And if we can extend even better. I'd trade Mitch for that.
Still out there, and teams with cap room and the PG need are dwindling. Neither one great, but both would protect against a Rose injury and/or the other PG options on the roster not working out.
So do the Knicks get Reggie Jackson or Dennis Schroder?
Still out there, and teams with cap room and the PG need are dwindling. Neither one great, but both would protect against a Rose injury and/or the other PG options on the roster not working out.
It’s going to have to be RJ, Obi and Quickley plus picks, who are the throw ins, I guess knox, gets us closer and Luca that’s $24.6 million. Assuming we either extend Randle or use the reamining cap space for another really good bench player we are not able to trade for dame until after December because salaries don’t work and all these excellent bench signings wouldn’t be eligible to be traded? Does anyone know if a player resigns with the same team are they excluded from the free agents can’t be traded rule? Let’s say we can trade a free agent signing then throw in Noel and that probably gets us close enough.
We end up with
Dame
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Mitch
Rose
Grimes
McBride
Taj
The guy from texas
That wound be a bad defensive team, but probably fit a max the following year. Is a core of lillard, Randle and let’s say beal enough to win a ring with ring chasers? Prob not
It’s going to have to be RJ, Obi and Quickley plus picks, who are the throw ins, I guess knox, gets us closer and Luca that’s $24.6 million. Assuming we either extend Randle or use the reamining cap space for another really good bench player we are not able to trade for dame until after December because salaries don’t work and all these excellent bench signings wouldn’t be eligible to be traded? Does anyone know if a player resigns with the same team are they excluded from the free agents can’t be traded rule? Let’s say we can trade a free agent signing then throw in Noel and that probably gets us close enough.
We end up with
Dame
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Mitch
Rose
Grimes
McBride
Taj
The guy from texas
That wound be a bad defensive team, but probably fit a max the following year. Is a core of lillard, Randle and let’s say beal enough to win a ring with ring chasers? Prob not
Don't forget Noel 3 for 32 million.
I would absolutely love to see Reggie Jackson come here
I think he’s a great player. He was electric in the playoffs. I think he would fit in perfectly with the culture here too. Smart player, hard worker, passionate dude. A combination of Jackson/Rose/IQ running the PG minutes would be great to start the season IMO, and who knows McBride and/or Luca might fight their way into some minutes by midseason. Or even if we gave to cut Luca and trade Knox to make it happen I think it would be absolutely worth it.
if they sign Jackson I’d give them an solid A- for the offseason— only real knocks I would have are 1) too many protections on the Charlotte pick and 2) too much money/years for Noel given he’s a backup 5, but hey those things are minor issues in my book…. Buttttt right now since they haven’t addressed PG really it’s tough to say what the grade is. That’s what makes me feel like there’s gotta be some move that’s coming that might give us a bit of an “aha” moment (not saying it’s gonna be some genius blockbuster trade, but SOMETHING will happen I believe simply because this just feels like we’re one solid piece away from completing a pretty nice puzzle in my book.
Seems like he is an agent of some sort! I have missed it, do either him or Carl have anything new? They still need a guard to start ahead of Rose. I think they see Quickley as a 3rd guard and McBride is a rookie.
Derrick Rose - will be 33 when the season starts. Despite a long history of high usage and injuries, still flashes explosive athletic ability and did so repeatedly during his NYK tenure last year. Probably best suited as dynamic bench player as overuse presents a real risk of injury. He is also highly regarded as leader.
Immanual Quickley - terrific rookie year despite low 1st round draft spot. Good shooter with limitless range and an effective floater. Shot creation skills need development. While he is a willing passer and low turnover guy, he doesn't appear to be a quarterback type of guard (although certainly too early to close the book on this possibility). He will add strength and that should result in above average defensive prowess (long arms, good awareness and effort already evident last year).
Miles (Deuce) McBride - Intense, competitive guard. While he could develop into a Derek Fisher or Patrick Beverly type (great defensively but relegated to off-ball duty on offense) I think he will ultimately be more than that on offense e.g. a 60-70% of Jrue Holiday. But the key word there is ultimately. Its hard to imagine him playing a lead guard role this upcoming year.
Alec Burks - Skillful, big guard who has historically been brittle. Showed a lot as a scorer last year with a spike in crunch time scoring prowess. Positive player in this stable of guards but I still wouldn't be thrilled with him having a major lead/facilitating role.
So, in summary we have two older, injury prone guys who at times, are legit scoring guards. And two young guys who are promising but no indication that they have skills to play a primary quarterbacking role at this point.
Where do we go from here?
1. Major trade targeting Dame or Fox: this obviously would cost a ton of assets but much of the necessary salary match cannot be traded until December. A combo of Obi, Mitch, IQ etc. (plus picks) doesn't allow for a salary match so we'd have to wait to include guys like Noel. It's hard to imagine this happening any time soon. In addition, this front office, while somewhat creative and averse to bad deals such as Bargnani years ago, doesn't show any signs of having Pat Riley like ability to make things happen.
2. Major trade targeting Sexton: this horse probably left the barn when HOU drafted Green leaving Mobley to CLE and thus removing Obi as a desirable centerpiece for a Sexton trade.
3. Lesser trade. Possible targets Derrick White, DeJounte Murray, Goran Dragic. No rumors to this effect.
4. FA. NYK once again struck out on all PG targets to this point. What remains is not attractive: Reggie Jackson, Dennis Schroeder.
5. Sign and Trade. If Reggie Bullock + a #1 for Jalen Brunson is a possibility, its very much worth pursuing. Brunson isn't elite by any stretch but he is a terrific guy to have in your PG rotation. He's exceptionally bright and hard working, physically strong. While a Kyle Lowry comp is too lofty, Brunson has a lot of the same traits at a similar age.
I feel like this was their plan all along.
Rose, Fournier, Noel and Burks.
It tough to swallow but they moved quickly on all 4.
I feel like this was their plan all along.
Rose, Fournier, Noel and Burks.
It tough to swallow but they moved quickly on all 4.
There is a lot of smoke around the Kbicks thinking they can get Lillard, perhaps they are not spendingnon PG because of that?
Nobkdy said anything about trading the players they signed, gice it a rest we get it you are miserable...
Wonder if they could finesse Brunson somehow.
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Knicks and mavs discussed a sign and trade for Bullock, doesnt know if that could still be an option
Wonder if they could finesse Brunson somehow.
I doubt it, probably have to include a couple of 1sts
Why would the Mavs do that?
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Knicks and mavs discussed a sign and trade for Bullock, doesnt know if that could still be an option
Why would the Mavs do that?
Usually for 1 of 2 reasons. Either they want to save cap space by sending the Knicks a player or two back or the Knicks kick in a 2nd round pick or something to get a trade exception.
Point guard: Westbrook/Nunn
Shooting guard: Ellington/THT/Monk
Small Forward: James/Bazemore/McKinnie
Power forward: Davis/Ariza/Anthony
Center: Gasol/Howard
I can't believe we live in a world where Dwight Fucking Howard is one day going to make it into Springfield.
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kinda bummed about Nunn as he could have at least competed with guys here. I mean i wanted no part of schroeder and if he is some sort of cancer then forget it, but i mean schroeder at 8 mill is a pretty good deal. I said it earlier but he is basically a good version of Elf (Penatrating guard, ehh distributor, cant shoot) and a better version of elf is still an improvement.
Id like to know what the deal is with the 3rd year. Is it like 8 of 10 mill is guaranteed or like 2 of 10 mill, ha, makes a big diff.
NYK cannot keep getting credit for not executing bad contracts. At some point, they have to do something impactful.
LOL WHAT!?!?
I'm sure Dame is thrilled...
He's going to ask out before too long @ this rate. & I don't blame him.
Is there ANY way we can get him without giving up RJ?
Is there ANY way we can get him without giving up RJ?
No chance.
Is there ANY way we can get him without giving up RJ?
it would be hard money wise to do it now without rj
Is there ANY way we can get him without giving up RJ?
Not a chance unless Quickley, Toppin, or one of this years rookies flash enough for them to think they can be future stars
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The Lakers' new projected depth chart:
Point guard: Westbrook/Nunn
Shooting guard: Ellington/THT/Monk
Small Forward: James/Bazemore/McKinnie
Power forward: Davis/Ariza/Anthony
Center: Gasol/Howard
I can't believe we live in a world where Dwight Fucking Howard is one day going to make it into Springfield.
why? The first half of his career makes him a no doubt HOFer.
How did Jessica Alba get your phone?
I agree, I think he's being underrated a bit. He had the same exact eFG as Lillard. He can really shoot the ball, and can do it off the dribble.
I do wonder who is going to defend the opposition's best wing player though.
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kinda bummed about Nunn as he could have at least competed with guys here. I mean i wanted no part of schroeder and if he is some sort of cancer then forget it, but i mean schroeder at 8 mill is a pretty good deal. I said it earlier but he is basically a good version of Elf (Penatrating guard, ehh distributor, cant shoot) and a better version of elf is still an improvement.
Id like to know what the deal is with the 3rd year. Is it like 8 of 10 mill is guaranteed or like 2 of 10 mill, ha, makes a big diff.
NYK cannot keep getting credit for not executing bad contracts. At some point, they have to do something impactful.
You mean after being pathetic for so long and signing expensive Free agents that kept leading us nowhere- getting a 4th seed with the season they had - you refer that to "not impactful?"
How "impactful" were the Nets before getting Durant, Irving and Harden? How many playoff series did they win?
You see how the Nets became a title threat. You see how Lakers got LeBron and Davis. So why do you want to settle for non-superstars?
I don't know. Brunson is a UFA next offseason. I'd love to be able to bring in Brunson though. And if we can extend even better. I'd trade Mitch for that.
Portland's next move is to trade McCollum. They'll hope/pray Lillard will like a possibility that they can move on.
I don't think the Mavs would be interested. They have Moses Brown now and re-signed Cauley Stein.
We end up with
Dame
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Mitch
Rose
Grimes
McBride
Taj
The guy from texas
That wound be a bad defensive team, but probably fit a max the following year. Is a core of lillard, Randle and let’s say beal enough to win a ring with ring chasers? Prob not
I definitely would and I’m a fan of Mitch.
We end up with
Dame
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Mitch
Rose
Grimes
McBride
Taj
The guy from texas
That wound be a bad defensive team, but probably fit a max the following year. Is a core of lillard, Randle and let’s say beal enough to win a ring with ring chasers? Prob not
Don't forget Noel 3 for 32 million.
if they sign Jackson I’d give them an solid A- for the offseason— only real knocks I would have are 1) too many protections on the Charlotte pick and 2) too much money/years for Noel given he’s a backup 5, but hey those things are minor issues in my book…. Buttttt right now since they haven’t addressed PG really it’s tough to say what the grade is. That’s what makes me feel like there’s gotta be some move that’s coming that might give us a bit of an “aha” moment (not saying it’s gonna be some genius blockbuster trade, but SOMETHING will happen I believe simply because this just feels like we’re one solid piece away from completing a pretty nice puzzle in my book.
It might be why they lost out on Nunn and have not made a deal with Schroeder or Jackson.
It might be why they lost out on Nunn and have not made a deal with Schroeder or Jackson.
Why not just a 3 year deal like everyone else they signed?
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speculate that the Knicks are looking for a player that will take a 2 year contract, so they can operate as an over the cap team next season.
It might be why they lost out on Nunn and have not made a deal with Schroeder or Jackson.
A 3 year contract is fine too, but guys like Schroeder want a 1 year prove it deal.
Why not just a 3 year deal like everyone else they signed?
Did we ever find out who AR27 is?
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AR27? Also has intel so listen there also.
Seems like he is an agent of some sort! I have missed it, do either him or Carl have anything new? They still need a guard to start ahead of Rose. I think they see Quickley as a 3rd guard and McBride is a rookie.
Did we ever find out who AR27 is?
So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team
So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team
I'd guess Mavs.
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and he said he hasnt heard from them and said he is waiting for the third team to comment..
So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team
I'd guess Mavs.
Mavs are operating as an over the cap team so i dont know who they send out
So sounds like he is going to end up flipped to 3rd team
I would assume OKC or maybe the Spurs.
Immanual Quickley - terrific rookie year despite low 1st round draft spot. Good shooter with limitless range and an effective floater. Shot creation skills need development. While he is a willing passer and low turnover guy, he doesn't appear to be a quarterback type of guard (although certainly too early to close the book on this possibility). He will add strength and that should result in above average defensive prowess (long arms, good awareness and effort already evident last year).
Miles (Deuce) McBride - Intense, competitive guard. While he could develop into a Derek Fisher or Patrick Beverly type (great defensively but relegated to off-ball duty on offense) I think he will ultimately be more than that on offense e.g. a 60-70% of Jrue Holiday. But the key word there is ultimately. Its hard to imagine him playing a lead guard role this upcoming year.
Alec Burks - Skillful, big guard who has historically been brittle. Showed a lot as a scorer last year with a spike in crunch time scoring prowess. Positive player in this stable of guards but I still wouldn't be thrilled with him having a major lead/facilitating role.
So, in summary we have two older, injury prone guys who at times, are legit scoring guards. And two young guys who are promising but no indication that they have skills to play a primary quarterbacking role at this point.
Where do we go from here?
1. Major trade targeting Dame or Fox: this obviously would cost a ton of assets but much of the necessary salary match cannot be traded until December. A combo of Obi, Mitch, IQ etc. (plus picks) doesn't allow for a salary match so we'd have to wait to include guys like Noel. It's hard to imagine this happening any time soon. In addition, this front office, while somewhat creative and averse to bad deals such as Bargnani years ago, doesn't show any signs of having Pat Riley like ability to make things happen.
2. Major trade targeting Sexton: this horse probably left the barn when HOU drafted Green leaving Mobley to CLE and thus removing Obi as a desirable centerpiece for a Sexton trade.
3. Lesser trade. Possible targets Derrick White, DeJounte Murray, Goran Dragic. No rumors to this effect.
4. FA. NYK once again struck out on all PG targets to this point. What remains is not attractive: Reggie Jackson, Dennis Schroeder.
5. Sign and Trade. If Reggie Bullock + a #1 for Jalen Brunson is a possibility, its very much worth pursuing. Brunson isn't elite by any stretch but he is a terrific guy to have in your PG rotation. He's exceptionally bright and hard working, physically strong. While a Kyle Lowry comp is too lofty, Brunson has a lot of the same traits at a similar age.