Shams Charania
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Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic
and that's why we signed Noel. Think about it: They don't want to trade RJ, they don't want to trade IQ... Mitch is the young piece they have to pay next year who I think is going to be the piece in the deal that's coming. Not sure who the deal is for, but it's coming lol
You can find a Burks replacement on a 1 year deal. Send Orlando a 2nd round pick for Terrence Ross who has 1 year left on his deal. It’s not a hard thing to do. Why are you locking yourself into 3 years on your 7th-9th men. Horrible job by the front office. I would rather grimes play the 7th man minutes at 20 percent of the cost
You can find a Burks replacement on a 1 year deal. Send Orlando a 2nd round pick for Terrence Ross who has 1 year left on his deal. It’s not a hard thing to do. Why are you locking yourself into 3 years on your 7th-9th men. Horrible job by the front office. I would rather grimes play the 7th man minutes at 20 percent of the cost
Because as the cap goes up a Burks gets more expensive.
Nerlens Noel is going to be out starting center? That is terrible, He literally cannot catch a ball on offense and he can’t guard the bigger centers. He cannot be your starting center in the nba. Mitch is much better than Noel on both ends of the floor, mitchs team defense is really strong and the numbers back it up when he is on the floor.
How does Cameron Payne sign for 3 years $19 million at a position of need for us and we spend $10 per on Noel and Burks. Mitch is going to cost at least $15 now
You honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. Burks at $10M per is not awful. He was incredibly valuable to this team last season, even filling in at the point on occasion. He’s a much better player than you want to admit because he’s not the sexy name
You can find a Burks replacement on a 1 year deal. Send Orlando a 2nd round pick for Terrence Ross who has 1 year left on his deal. It’s not a hard thing to do. Why are you locking yourself into 3 years on your 7th-9th men. Horrible job by the front office. I would rather grimes play the 7th man minutes at 20 percent of the cost
Burks is a significantly better outside shooter than Ross is. How many guys can you get for $10M/ who shoot 42% from 3?
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic
Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.
You are a treasure, Stan…don’t ever change.
You are like an awful journeyman baseball player on an 0-800 streak that flips the bat and puffs his chest after finally getting a soft bloop single.
With AJR As cap goes up Burks goes up. The Knicks don’t need anymore Burks we have the complimentary pieces that we need with the young guys. You don’t waste 3 years on Burks, there are 30 players like Burks in the league that will sign 1 year deals when cap space runs out.
10 million for 2 bench players is not a bargain when you have active cap space. You sign those guys when your over there cap to mid level deals to fill out your roster for a championship run. The problem is Thibs thinks he can win a championship with average guys.
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic
Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.
You are a treasure, Stan…don’t ever change.
You are like an awful journeyman baseball player on an 0-800 streak that flips the bat and puffs his chest after finally getting a soft bloop single.
He didn’t even hit a soft bloop single on this. Tell me exactly which team Ball has made better? Every team he’s on sucks ass, misses the playoffs and they move him
With AJR As cap goes up Burks goes up. The Knicks don’t need anymore Burks we have the complimentary pieces that we need with the young guys. You don’t waste 3 years on Burks, there are 30 players like Burks in the league that will sign 1 year deals when cap space runs out.
10 million for 2 bench players is not a bargain when you have active cap space. You sign those guys when your over there cap to mid level deals to fill out your roster for a championship run. The problem is Thibs thinks he can win a championship with average guys.
What? Next year you’d need to sign a Burks type player. Except next year he costs you $14 million.
RE: RE: Burks's minutes come at the expense of Barrett
I’m not saying he isn’t but you don’t use active cap space on Burks. Knicks aren’t winning a championship next year or getting out of the first round because they don’t have the star power. You don’t lock in Burks and noel for 3 years, you keep developing your young guys and fill 1 year contract guys and kick the cap to the following year.
Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
I’m not saying he isn’t but you don’t use active cap space on Burks. Knicks aren’t winning a championship next year or getting out of the first round because they don’t have the star power. You don’t lock in Burks and noel for 3 years, you keep developing your young guys and fill 1 year contract guys and kick the cap to the following year.
Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
In all likelihood if they’re signing Beal it’s in a sign and trade and they move those two deals with a second rounder.
You’d rather have a worse shooter because he has a one year deal? Miami just got Lowry with zero cap space for $30 mill a year. We’ll be fine.
don't see Fournier as someone mentioned earlier...roster might be very very similar to last year. Hahn is right..doesn't appear there is tons of creativity with the FO. Time will tell.
don't see Fournier as someone mentioned earlier...roster might be very very similar to last year. Hahn is right..doesn't appear there is tons of creativity with the FO. Time will tell.
Guessing their attention right now is towards Dinwiddie and/or DeRozan but just a guess.
Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do
Are you telling me your happy with these deals for Noel and Burks and you think it’s good use if the cap. I don’t like either deal but certainly Burks is better value then Noel. Noel deal is awful.
Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do
$10 million for a guy who shoots 42% from 3 is not a contract you have to attach a first round pick to to move. Trust me I know.
I’m not saying he isn’t but you don’t use active cap space on Burks. Knicks aren’t winning a championship next year or getting out of the first round because they don’t have the star power. You don’t lock in Burks and noel for 3 years, you keep developing your young guys and fill 1 year contract guys and kick the cap to the following year.
Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
Yeah you’re right man. You have it all figured out. Why didn’t you give Rose a call and run this idea by him? It’s obvious that as an organization these guys slept through the past couple of months and didn’t have time to think of that or do their homework on the situations at hand and what’s best for the team. They woke up this morning unprepared and just said “hey, fuck it. Let’s just sign Burks and Noel to 3 years deals and call it a day!”.
Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do
$10 million for a guy who shoots 42% from 3 is not a contract you have to attach a first round pick to to move. Trust me I know.
To get rid of Noel and Burks as a combined package.
BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
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Heard since draft night that Knicks were not standing pat - so even though we're 57 minutes in, not thinking they are done tonight (or, you know, in the period that deals are actually supposed to happen).
To get rid of Noel and Burks as a combined package.
BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
I’m telling you no it won’t. I work in basketball.
14 per for 3 years from the Spurs. The Burks deal is perfectly fine. You dont get 20-25 minute players for less then that these days. Im less excited bout Noel, but if its precursor to a Mitch trade that changes things. Or if its not full guaranteed that def changes things. Look i mean i would not have been happy if we shelled out 90 mill to lowry or 80 to Duncan or even 120 to Paul.
To get rid of Noel and Burks as a combined package.
BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
No, there are not. You don’t think Rose and company have done their homework? I think they have earned the right for us to be a bit patient to see what their plan is. Burks and Noel are much better players than you want to admit, that’s the problem here. And we don’t know yet what the next moves are, so why the instant freak out? We are one hour into free agency, lol. Do you know they don’t have trades lined up?
Maybe their plan sucks. We will find out. But I just think freaking out with absolutely no context to their thinking is stupid, and a waste of energy
How many SGs can you have?
IQ/Burks/Grimes are currently on the roster. You have 3 competent bench SGs? I don't buy it.
fournier starts...Burks back up 3, grimes back up 2 and quick back up point..
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic
Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.
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am skeptical they sign Fournier now.
How many SGs can you have?
IQ/Burks/Grimes are currently on the roster. You have 3 competent bench SGs? I don't buy it.
fournier starts...Burks back up 3, grimes back up 2 and quick back up point..
Burks is a combo 1/2 imo. Same with IQ.
Because as the cap goes up a Burks gets more expensive.
it is 45 minutez into free agency holy crap
It's boring because Burks is 30 years old with no upside and we don't know what Barrett can be.
Hot and cold is something that can change with the next shot. You can't score from the bench.
Thibs was obviously in love with Burks and believed he would make his next shot, even though Burks is a very up and down player himself.
Boring.
How does Cameron Payne sign for 3 years $19 million at a position of need for us and we spend $10 per on Noel and Burks. Mitch is going to cost at least $15 now
You honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. Burks at $10M per is not awful. He was incredibly valuable to this team last season, even filling in at the point on occasion. He’s a much better player than you want to admit because he’s not the sexy name
Burks is a significantly better outside shooter than Ross is. How many guys can you get for $10M/ who shoot 42% from 3?
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic
Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.
You are a treasure, Stan…don’t ever change.
You are like an awful journeyman baseball player on an 0-800 streak that flips the bat and puffs his chest after finally getting a soft bloop single.
It's boring because Burks is 30 years old with no upside and we don't know what Barrett can be.
Hot and cold is something that can change with the next shot. You can't score from the bench.
Thibs was obviously in love with Burks and believed he would make his next shot, even though Burks is a very up and down player himself.
Boring.
Burks and Barrett cant play together to finish games?
That is insane.
10 million for 2 bench players is not a bargain when you have active cap space. You sign those guys when your over there cap to mid level deals to fill out your roster for a championship run. The problem is Thibs thinks he can win a championship with average guys.
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic
Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.
You are a treasure, Stan…don’t ever change.
You are like an awful journeyman baseball player on an 0-800 streak that flips the bat and puffs his chest after finally getting a soft bloop single.
He didn’t even hit a soft bloop single on this. Tell me exactly which team Ball has made better? Every team he’s on sucks ass, misses the playoffs and they move him
10 million for 2 bench players is not a bargain when you have active cap space. You sign those guys when your over there cap to mid level deals to fill out your roster for a championship run. The problem is Thibs thinks he can win a championship with average guys.
What? Next year you’d need to sign a Burks type player. Except next year he costs you $14 million.
Burks and Barrett cant play together to finish games?
Sure they can. But the evidence is that the pattern of Thibs sitting Barrett in the fourth corresponded with Burks being on the court.
Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
In all likelihood if they’re signing Beal it’s in a sign and trade and they move those two deals with a second rounder.
You’d rather have a worse shooter because he has a one year deal? Miami just got Lowry with zero cap space for $30 mill a year. We’ll be fine.
Guessing their attention right now is towards Dinwiddie and/or DeRozan but just a guess.
And lets wait and see what the finish product is before we stsrt to go overboard eith the they dont have a plan
$10 million for a guy who shoots 42% from 3 is not a contract you have to attach a first round pick to to move. Trust me I know.
Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
Yeah you’re right man. You have it all figured out. Why didn’t you give Rose a call and run this idea by him? It’s obvious that as an organization these guys slept through the past couple of months and didn’t have time to think of that or do their homework on the situations at hand and what’s best for the team. They woke up this morning unprepared and just said “hey, fuck it. Let’s just sign Burks and Noel to 3 years deals and call it a day!”.
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Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do
$10 million for a guy who shoots 42% from 3 is not a contract you have to attach a first round pick to to move. Trust me I know.
Exactly
Phew. Great news.
BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
@StevePopper
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Heard since draft night that Knicks were not standing pat - so even though we're 57 minutes in, not thinking they are done tonight (or, you know, in the period that deals are actually supposed to happen).
BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
I’m telling you no it won’t. I work in basketball.
BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
No, there are not. You don’t think Rose and company have done their homework? I think they have earned the right for us to be a bit patient to see what their plan is. Burks and Noel are much better players than you want to admit, that’s the problem here. And we don’t know yet what the next moves are, so why the instant freak out? We are one hour into free agency, lol. Do you know they don’t have trades lined up?
Maybe their plan sucks. We will find out. But I just think freaking out with absolutely no context to their thinking is stupid, and a waste of energy