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Anakim : 8/2/2021 6:00 pm
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I think  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 6:44 pm : link
Mitch is going to be traded. It's been trending that way for a while. You don't pay Nerlens Noel 10 mil per year to be a backup.
RE: I really  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15320214 Jon in NYC said:
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am skeptical they sign Fournier now.

How many SGs can you have?

IQ/Burks/Grimes are currently on the roster. You have 3 competent bench SGs? I don't buy it.


fournier starts...Burks back up 3, grimes back up 2 and quick back up point..

RE: Lonzo Ball to the Bulls  
Stan in LA : 8/2/2021 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15320152 Anakim said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic

Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.
Mitch is getting traded  
Optimus-NY : 8/2/2021 6:44 pm : link
It seems to be a matter of when.
McDermott  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 6:45 pm : link
3/42
I think Mitch is the piece in the trade  
Leg of Theismann : 8/2/2021 6:45 pm : link
and that's why we signed Noel. Think about it: They don't want to trade RJ, they don't want to trade IQ... Mitch is the young piece they have to pay next year who I think is going to be the piece in the deal that's coming. Not sure who the deal is for, but it's coming lol
Burks  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 6:45 pm : link
You can find a Burks replacement on a 1 year deal. Send Orlando a 2nd round pick for Terrence Ross who has 1 year left on his deal. It’s not a hard thing to do. Why are you locking yourself into 3 years on your 7th-9th men. Horrible job by the front office. I would rather grimes play the 7th man minutes at 20 percent of the cost
CP3  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 6:45 pm : link
back to Phoenix, 4/120. Wow.
Most disappointing to this Knick fan?  
PhilSimms15 : 8/2/2021 6:46 pm : link
There was no grand plan. And remember, it was the Mills administration that brought the treat under the cap.
RE: RE: I really  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15320220 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15320214 Jon in NYC said:


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am skeptical they sign Fournier now.

How many SGs can you have?

IQ/Burks/Grimes are currently on the roster. You have 3 competent bench SGs? I don't buy it.



fournier starts...Burks back up 3, grimes back up 2 and quick back up point..


Burks is a combo 1/2 imo. Same with IQ.
RE: Burks  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15320225 GMEN46 said:
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You can find a Burks replacement on a 1 year deal. Send Orlando a 2nd round pick for Terrence Ross who has 1 year left on his deal. It’s not a hard thing to do. Why are you locking yourself into 3 years on your 7th-9th men. Horrible job by the front office. I would rather grimes play the 7th man minutes at 20 percent of the cost


Because as the cap goes up a Burks gets more expensive.
RE: Most disappointing to this Knick fan?  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15320227 PhilSimms15 said:
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There was no grand plan. And remember, it was the Mills administration that brought the treat under the cap.


it is 45 minutez into free agency holy crap
People realize the cap is going to skyrocket in a couple years right?  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 6:47 pm : link
Burks at 10 million is a bargain
Burks can handle the point but he's not a 1  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2021 6:48 pm : link
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So if we trade Mitch  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 6:48 pm : link
Nerlens Noel is going to be out starting center? That is terrible, He literally cannot catch a ball on offense and he can’t guard the bigger centers. He cannot be your starting center in the nba. Mitch is much better than Noel on both ends of the floor, mitchs team defense is really strong and the numbers back it up when he is on the floor.
Burks's minutes come at the expense of Barrett  
shyster : 8/2/2021 6:48 pm : link
particularly in the fourth quarter. Burks plays, Barrett sits.

It's boring because Burks is 30 years old with no upside and we don't know what Barrett can be.

Hot and cold is something that can change with the next shot. You can't score from the bench.

Thibs was obviously in love with Burks and believed he would make his next shot, even though Burks is a very up and down player himself.

Boring.
RE: Burks guranteed is awful  
BigBlueShock : 8/2/2021 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15320209 GMEN46 said:
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Any chance Noel is not?

How does Cameron Payne sign for 3 years $19 million at a position of need for us and we spend $10 per on Noel and Burks. Mitch is going to cost at least $15 now

You honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. Burks at $10M per is not awful. He was incredibly valuable to this team last season, even filling in at the point on occasion. He’s a much better player than you want to admit because he’s not the sexy name
RE: Burks  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15320225 GMEN46 said:
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You can find a Burks replacement on a 1 year deal. Send Orlando a 2nd round pick for Terrence Ross who has 1 year left on his deal. It’s not a hard thing to do. Why are you locking yourself into 3 years on your 7th-9th men. Horrible job by the front office. I would rather grimes play the 7th man minutes at 20 percent of the cost

Burks is a significantly better outside shooter than Ross is. How many guys can you get for $10M/ who shoot 42% from 3?
RE: RE: Lonzo Ball to the Bulls  
CooperDash : 8/2/2021 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15320221 Stan in LA said:
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In comment 15320152 Anakim said:


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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic


Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.


You are a treasure, Stan…don’t ever change.

You are like an awful journeyman baseball player on an 0-800 streak that flips the bat and puffs his chest after finally getting a soft bloop single.
I like  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 6:50 pm : link
Burks as a player. I like Noel. I just think the fit with the rest of the roster now is weird.
RE: Burks's minutes come at the expense of Barrett  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15320235 shyster said:
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particularly in the fourth quarter. Burks plays, Barrett sits.

It's boring because Burks is 30 years old with no upside and we don't know what Barrett can be.

Hot and cold is something that can change with the next shot. You can't score from the bench.

Thibs was obviously in love with Burks and believed he would make his next shot, even though Burks is a very up and down player himself.

Boring.


Burks and Barrett cant play together to finish games?
At least right now  
AdamBrag : 8/2/2021 6:51 pm : link
It does not seem like the Knicks have a plan.
RE: CP3  
bw in dc : 8/2/2021 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15320226 Jon in NYC said:
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back to Phoenix, 4/120. Wow.


That is insane.
Disagree  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 6:52 pm : link
With AJR As cap goes up Burks goes up. The Knicks don’t need anymore Burks we have the complimentary pieces that we need with the young guys. You don’t waste 3 years on Burks, there are 30 players like Burks in the league that will sign 1 year deals when cap space runs out.

10 million for 2 bench players is not a bargain when you have active cap space. You sign those guys when your over there cap to mid level deals to fill out your roster for a championship run. The problem is Thibs thinks he can win a championship with average guys.
RE: RE: RE: Lonzo Ball to the Bulls  
BigBlueShock : 8/2/2021 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15320239 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15320221 Stan in LA said:


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In comment 15320152 Anakim said:


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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Lonzo Ball has agreed to a four-year, $85 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul tells
@TheAthletic


Hey KWALL! Not bad for a 'bust'.



You are a treasure, Stan…don’t ever change.

You are like an awful journeyman baseball player on an 0-800 streak that flips the bat and puffs his chest after finally getting a soft bloop single.

He didn’t even hit a soft bloop single on this. Tell me exactly which team Ball has made better? Every team he’s on sucks ass, misses the playoffs and they move him
RE: Disagree  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15320244 GMEN46 said:
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With AJR As cap goes up Burks goes up. The Knicks don’t need anymore Burks we have the complimentary pieces that we need with the young guys. You don’t waste 3 years on Burks, there are 30 players like Burks in the league that will sign 1 year deals when cap space runs out.

10 million for 2 bench players is not a bargain when you have active cap space. You sign those guys when your over there cap to mid level deals to fill out your roster for a championship run. The problem is Thibs thinks he can win a championship with average guys.


What? Next year you’d need to sign a Burks type player. Except next year he costs you $14 million.
RE: RE: Burks's minutes come at the expense of Barrett  
shyster : 8/2/2021 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15320241 nygiants16 said:
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Burks and Barrett cant play together to finish games?


Sure they can. But the evidence is that the pattern of Thibs sitting Barrett in the fourth corresponded with Burks being on the court.

I know Burks is a solid player  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 6:56 pm : link
I’m not saying he isn’t but you don’t use active cap space on Burks. Knicks aren’t winning a championship next year or getting out of the first round because they don’t have the star power. You don’t lock in Burks and noel for 3 years, you keep developing your young guys and fill 1 year contract guys and kick the cap to the following year.

Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.
RE: I know Burks is a solid player  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15320252 GMEN46 said:
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I’m not saying he isn’t but you don’t use active cap space on Burks. Knicks aren’t winning a championship next year or getting out of the first round because they don’t have the star power. You don’t lock in Burks and noel for 3 years, you keep developing your young guys and fill 1 year contract guys and kick the cap to the following year.

Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.


In all likelihood if they’re signing Beal it’s in a sign and trade and they move those two deals with a second rounder.

You’d rather have a worse shooter because he has a one year deal? Miami just got Lowry with zero cap space for $30 mill a year. We’ll be fine.
Curious what's next...  
five5 : 8/2/2021 6:59 pm : link
don't see Fournier as someone mentioned earlier...roster might be very very similar to last year. Hahn is right..doesn't appear there is tons of creativity with the FO. Time will tell.
RE: Curious what's next...  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15320255 five5 said:
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don't see Fournier as someone mentioned earlier...roster might be very very similar to last year. Hahn is right..doesn't appear there is tons of creativity with the FO. Time will tell.

Guessing their attention right now is towards Dinwiddie and/or DeRozan but just a guess.
Cap space is always available  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 7:00 pm : link
look at the Lakers and Heat, you can always manipulate the cap and knicks habe 1 of the best cap guys in the business..

And lets wait and see what the finish product is before we stsrt to go overboard eith the they dont have a plan
AJR  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 7:00 pm : link
Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do
Just curious to the guys that disagree with me  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 7:02 pm : link
Are you telling me your happy with these deals for Noel and Burks and you think it’s good use if the cap. I don’t like either deal but certainly Burks is better value then Noel. Noel deal is awful.
RE: AJR  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15320258 GMEN46 said:
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Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do


$10 million for a guy who shoots 42% from 3 is not a contract you have to attach a first round pick to to move. Trust me I know.
RE: I know Burks is a solid player  
BigBlueShock : 8/2/2021 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15320252 GMEN46 said:
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I’m not saying he isn’t but you don’t use active cap space on Burks. Knicks aren’t winning a championship next year or getting out of the first round because they don’t have the star power. You don’t lock in Burks and noel for 3 years, you keep developing your young guys and fill 1 year contract guys and kick the cap to the following year.

Burks isn’t making or braking the Knicks season. It doesn’t matter that he is a better shooter than Ross. You just need a guy to fill the cap space for 1 year and you try again next year. So next year if we want to sign Beal we are going have to throw in a protected first to trade Noel and Burks to a team with cap space. It’s just dumb cap management.

Yeah you’re right man. You have it all figured out. Why didn’t you give Rose a call and run this idea by him? It’s obvious that as an organization these guys slept through the past couple of months and didn’t have time to think of that or do their homework on the situations at hand and what’s best for the team. They woke up this morning unprepared and just said “hey, fuck it. Let’s just sign Burks and Noel to 3 years deals and call it a day!”.
RE: RE: AJR  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2021 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15320261 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15320258 GMEN46 said:


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Not true you hope you aren’t wasting money on a Burks next year and your maxing out Beal or lavine. Then grimes or McBride are your new Burks on a cheap contracts and Then you sign whatever Burks type player that is available for your mini MLE. With Burks and noel eating up cap space now you have to add a pick to trade then to get cap room to sign the potential star. You guys say these contracts are tradeable, but you have to find a team that is willing to take on contracts with their cap space which costs a pick or to a team at the all star break with an expiring deal. Not that easy to do



$10 million for a guy who shoots 42% from 3 is not a contract you have to attach a first round pick to to move. Trust me I know.


Exactly
Sounds like Rose is going to be back.  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2021 7:04 pm : link
Both Berman and Ramona Shelbourne said they expect him to resign with the Knicks
RE: Sounds like Rose is going to be back.  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15320264 Strahan91 said:
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Both Berman and Ramona Shelbourne said they expect him to resign with the Knicks


Phew. Great news.
AJR I’m saying it will cost a protected 1st  
GMEN46 : 8/2/2021 7:06 pm : link
To get rid of Noel and Burks as a combined package.

BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals
..  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 7:06 pm : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
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8m
Heard since draft night that Knicks were not standing pat - so even though we're 57 minutes in, not thinking they are done tonight (or, you know, in the period that deals are actually supposed to happen).
Anyone complaing about 10m/yr contracts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2021 7:08 pm : link
Is blissfully unaware of the cost of players around the league. 10m per year is nothing. Both are going to play a lot of minutes.
RE: AJR I’m saying it will cost a protected 1st  
ajr2456 : 8/2/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15320266 GMEN46 said:
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To get rid of Noel and Burks as a combined package.

BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals


I’m telling you no it won’t. I work in basketball.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/2/2021 7:10 pm : link
The cap is going to explode in the coming years.
At this  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 7:10 pm : link
point I'd be fine with Schroeder at a 1 year deal with Rose as the backup.
Jeff green signing with nuggets  
nygiants16 : 8/2/2021 7:11 pm : link
..
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2021 7:11 pm : link
also do the 3/60 Dinwiddie seems to need.
shit i mean McDermot got....  
Italianju : 8/2/2021 7:11 pm : link
14 per for 3 years from the Spurs. The Burks deal is perfectly fine. You dont get 20-25 minute players for less then that these days. Im less excited bout Noel, but if its precursor to a Mitch trade that changes things. Or if its not full guaranteed that def changes things. Look i mean i would not have been happy if we shelled out 90 mill to lowry or 80 to Duncan or even 120 to Paul.
RE: AJR I’m saying it will cost a protected 1st  
BigBlueShock : 8/2/2021 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15320266 GMEN46 said:
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To get rid of Noel and Burks as a combined package.

BigBlueshock - yes it appears that the front office said f it let’s sign 2 back up guys to $20 million. Obviously these deals are right above the MLE, so it entices these guys to stay. Sometimes you have to let guys go, there are plenty of noel’s and Burks out there to have on 1 year deals

No, there are not. You don’t think Rose and company have done their homework? I think they have earned the right for us to be a bit patient to see what their plan is. Burks and Noel are much better players than you want to admit, that’s the problem here. And we don’t know yet what the next moves are, so why the instant freak out? We are one hour into free agency, lol. Do you know they don’t have trades lined up?

Maybe their plan sucks. We will find out. But I just think freaking out with absolutely no context to their thinking is stupid, and a waste of energy
It's going to take  
PwndPapi : 8/2/2021 7:13 pm : link
trading a protected 1st round pick to deal a 28-year-old rim-protecting big with 2 yrs and $24M on his deal? What are you smoking?
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