the cap, MLE, max, etc.... goes up fans are not adjusting their expectations. When the MLE was 6 mill it seemed easily to understand then 10. If we signed burks or Noel for the MLE a few years back people woudl have been fine, its the same thing now. Sure there will be deals at the end of free agency, maybe we should wait it out, but im not upset bout these deals. Id rather pay burks 3/30 then Moe Harkless 3/15 or whatever he just got.
That’s the problem I don’t want them to play a lot of minutes.
AJR - that’s fine it will cost something. And if Knicks have a shot at a big free agent the cost will be higher because they will be desperate to trade those guys for caproom.
Not sure where this salary cap explosion talk is coming from:
21-22 - $112 million
22-23 - $115.7 million
23-24 - $119.2 million
I would t consider that to be an explosion. Check your facts before you make statements like that.
That’s the problem I don’t want them to play a lot of minutes.
AJR - that’s fine it will cost something. And if Knicks have a shot at a big free agent the cost will be higher because they will be desperate to trade those guys for caproom.
Not sure where this salary cap explosion talk is coming from:
21-22 - $112 million
22-23 - $115.7 million
23-24 - $119.2 million
I would t consider that to be an explosion. Check your facts before you make statements like that.
Ok, we get it. Can you stop bitching on this thread about the same thing?
Dinwiddie, Fournier, and Rose, and call it a day. As long as the years and money and such are all right. That’s a good team right there. Not even sure what that looks like from a cap perspective but I say don’t make any trades, we have a lot of assets, picks, contracts to match, etc. to maybe make a deal at the deadline this year for a star
any cap number at that far out is a projectection...
for instance NBA already said 2022-23 will be 119 where as the numbers you got from im guessing a bleacher report article (i saw the same one) from 2020 said that 23-24 would be 119.
No one has answered my question and it leads me to believe that you guys just like going against everything I write. Is there anyone out there rhat can say they are happy with these 2 signings. And I’m not looking for the yea there fine because they are going to trade them or they aren’t done. That stuff is unpredictable.
No one has answered my question and it leads me to believe that you guys just like going against everything I write. Is there anyone out there rhat can say they are happy with these 2 signings. And I’m not looking for the yea there fine because they are going to trade them or they aren’t done. That stuff is unpredictable.
I don't know. Shall we conduct a poll of whether fanbases around the league are over the moon over bench signings?
do we have to absolutely love them because you absolutely hate them? Not trying to be a jerk, but the issue is you are acting like they handed out the worst deals ever. Most of just think they are fine, im not happy or upset about them. And until we see the whole offseason its hard to get to upset. There isnt one move made by anyone that if we made it id be thrilled. At least i dont think there is. The good players (paul, lowry, duncan i guess, etc..) got massive deals that i didnt want to pay.
Bullock, Rose, Burks and Noel were all key rotation players on a 4 seed. They weren’t going to just let all of those guys walk and fill in the gaps with guys drafted late in the draft.
Burks contract is very reasonable, look at what other wing players have been getting. He shoots over 40% from 3, plays defense and can play both guard positions.
The Noel deal is less appealing, but it’s probably a signal that they’d rather keep Noel at that number rather than pay Mitch Robinson anywhere near what Jarrett Allen got long term. Mitch is probably on his way out, and if that’s the case then Noel at 10 per is a solid signing for the minutes he’s going to play.
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Would much rather pay 3 for 60 combined for Burks and Noel than the money San Antonio is paying for McDermott and Collins
I answered this before. I'm perfectly fine with the Burks deal
as of now and eh on the Noel deal. However, looking at any moves in a vacuum is somewhat pointless. This group has a plan. Just because we don't see it or understand it doesn't mean they don't have one. What if we signed Noel as part of a precursor to another trade to acquire a star and that team could sign Noel outright? There are so many ways this could go so getting too high or too low is pointless right now.
We also have two posters that have been on point with their information and have earned the right to say what they say. Carl is one and stated in the other thread and this one that they have been working on trades with three separate teams. Let's see where the chips fall.
RE: So did you want them to not bring anyone back?
Bullock, Rose, Burks and Noel were all key rotation players on a 4 seed. They weren’t going to just let all of those guys walk and fill in the gaps with guys drafted late in the draft.
Burks contract is very reasonable, look at what other wing players have been getting. He shoots over 40% from 3, plays defense and can play both guard positions.
The Noel deal is less appealing, but it’s probably a signal that they’d rather keep Noel at that number rather than pay Mitch Robinson anywhere near what Jarrett Allen got long term. Mitch is probably on his way out, and if that’s the case then Noel at 10 per is a solid signing for the minutes he’s going to play.
^This. I leave it to others who know more about the cap, but the consensus seems to be that this is the going rate for players like Burks and Nerlens. I assume the guarantee for Burks means that he likely had other suitors. My recollection is that Nerlens also did. The Knicks were never going to replace all of their players with FAs or second round draft picks.
No one has answered my question and it leads me to believe that you guys just like going against everything I write. Is there anyone out there rhat can say they are happy with these 2 signings. And I’m not looking for the yea there fine because they are going to trade them or they aren’t done. That stuff is unpredictable.
If Noel and Burks get traded as part of a bigger deal then I will be more than happy, but don’t players have to wait until December to be traded?
If these 2 end up on this roster then this will be very disappointing
Disappointing? Lol. You should probably just give up at this point. Having these two guys, who were huge contributors to the team last season being on the team would be disappointing? I honestly don’t think you have a clue on market value.
As far as the December thing, I’m not sure about that but how are sign and trades getting done immediately if they can’t be traded until December?
but I’m feeling the same as most here - no issue at all with Burks, but was kinda hoping they’d move on from Nerlens. Those are bench player rates for two bench players though - not a huge problem. Obviously we were all hoping for a splash that likely isn’t happening.
Also, kudos to Anita Marks for talking baseball with some failed former Marlins executive during the start of NBA free agency - awesome programming choice there on ESPN, which pays a fortune for NBA games.
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but the Noel and Burks signing are great deals for players of there production last year. I’m not sure if some here are aware of the market right now but those are very good deals. Another shooter and a point guard and we’re good. This front office is very quite and have there own timeline and philosophy. For those causal NBA watchers I’m sure it’s frustrating but to us diehard Knicks fans, we can’t complain because we finally have a winning team.
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I’m not being a wise ass I was just curious on the rules I thought free agents couldn’t be traded until December so to me that means these guys won’t be traded.
I’m not being a wise ass I was just curious on the rules I thought free agents couldn’t be traded until December so to me that means these guys won’t be traded.
I didn’t think you were being a wise ass. I said I don’t know anything about that rule, so maybe I’m ignorant but we see sign and trades every year. Player signs a contract with current team with the intention of being traded. And they don’t wait until December. So I guess I’m just curious where you get the December thing from?
Doubt it. They have plenty of cap space.
Hell to the no on Dennis.
Mitch/Noel
Randle/Obi
RJ/Grimes
??/Burks
??/IQ/McBride/Vildoza
Basically have 30 mil to fill two starting spots. Gets iffy if Rose is brought back too.
AJR - that’s fine it will cost something. And if Knicks have a shot at a big free agent the cost will be higher because they will be desperate to trade those guys for caproom.
Not sure where this salary cap explosion talk is coming from:
21-22 - $112 million
22-23 - $115.7 million
23-24 - $119.2 million
I would t consider that to be an explosion. Check your facts before you make statements like that.
AJR - that’s fine it will cost something. And if Knicks have a shot at a big free agent the cost will be higher because they will be desperate to trade those guys for caproom.
Not sure where this salary cap explosion talk is coming from:
21-22 - $112 million
22-23 - $115.7 million
23-24 - $119.2 million
I would t consider that to be an explosion. Check your facts before you make statements like that.
Ok, we get it. Can you stop bitching on this thread about the same thing?
I don't know. Shall we conduct a poll of whether fanbases around the league are over the moon over bench signings?
Burks contract is very reasonable, look at what other wing players have been getting. He shoots over 40% from 3, plays defense and can play both guard positions.
The Noel deal is less appealing, but it’s probably a signal that they’d rather keep Noel at that number rather than pay Mitch Robinson anywhere near what Jarrett Allen got long term. Mitch is probably on his way out, and if that’s the case then Noel at 10 per is a solid signing for the minutes he’s going to play.
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Would much rather pay 3 for 60 combined for Burks and Noel than the money San Antonio is paying for McDermott and Collins
We also have two posters that have been on point with their information and have earned the right to say what they say. Carl is one and stated in the other thread and this one that they have been working on trades with three separate teams. Let's see where the chips fall.
Burks contract is very reasonable, look at what other wing players have been getting. He shoots over 40% from 3, plays defense and can play both guard positions.
The Noel deal is less appealing, but it’s probably a signal that they’d rather keep Noel at that number rather than pay Mitch Robinson anywhere near what Jarrett Allen got long term. Mitch is probably on his way out, and if that’s the case then Noel at 10 per is a solid signing for the minutes he’s going to play.
^This. I leave it to others who know more about the cap, but the consensus seems to be that this is the going rate for players like Burks and Nerlens. I assume the guarantee for Burks means that he likely had other suitors. My recollection is that Nerlens also did. The Knicks were never going to replace all of their players with FAs or second round draft picks.
If these 2 end up on this roster then this will be very disappointing
Dinwiddie
DeRozan
Powell
among them.
I am content with these two signings, yes.
If these 2 end up on this roster then this will be very disappointing
Disappointing? Lol. You should probably just give up at this point. Having these two guys, who were huge contributors to the team last season being on the team would be disappointing? I honestly don’t think you have a clue on market value.
As far as the December thing, I’m not sure about that but how are sign and trades getting done immediately if they can’t be traded until December?
Wouldn't hold your breath expecting Burks or Noel to be traded.
Also, kudos to Anita Marks for talking baseball with some failed former Marlins executive during the start of NBA free agency - awesome programming choice there on ESPN, which pays a fortune for NBA games.
Wouldn't hold your breath expecting Burks or Noel to be traded.
Who is set to be a FA in 2024?
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are not going past 3 yr deals because they want to maintain cap flexibility for the summer of 2024.
Wouldn't hold your breath expecting Burks or Noel to be traded.
Who is set to be a FA in 2024?
Booker
Wouldn't hold your breath expecting Burks or Noel to be traded.
Haha! So now it’s the summer of 2024? Good lord Knicks fans! Stay patient my friends! 😂🤣😂
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are not going past 3 yr deals because they want to maintain cap flexibility for the summer of 2024.
Wouldn't hold your breath expecting Burks or Noel to be traded.
Haha! So now it’s the summer of 2024? Good lord Knicks fans! Stay patient my friends! 😂🤣😂
If they are making the playoffs every year i can be patient, i wont be patient suring tanking
4th year team option
haha
I didn’t think you were being a wise ass. I said I don’t know anything about that rule, so maybe I’m ignorant but we see sign and trades every year. Player signs a contract with current team with the intention of being traded. And they don’t wait until December. So I guess I’m just curious where you get the December thing from?
I see a trade coming, especially if Rose is coming back to..
welp he is your starter almost 15 million a year
Nope. Totally capped out.
See what trade they have in mind...
Which kid is coming off the bench? IQ or MM?