Two thoughts - Knicks may have bigger plans for Vildoza than we know. Also, since Thibs loves Taj, and I am pretty sure Sims will make the team, a trade involving Mitch still seems like a possibility here.
RE: RE: Knicks probably have around 10 million left
And hopefully IQ can take some minutes. Rose will not be able to hold up all season if he's getting more than 24-28 min per game every game. But honestly? I'll just go ahead and say it. Rose is worth that money for 24-28 minutes. That's rare to say but the dude was that good last year. He was quietly our MVP last year. If you look at the Knicks record with and without him, their winning % was literally night and day. 1st in the East with him vs. 11th in the East without him.
On any big ticket FA's coming here any time soon. He's clearly girding up for a big trade or 2, maybe not soon but somewhere in the next year or so. He has amassed draft picks, young players and movable deals.
If Noel and Burks get traded as part of a bigger deal then I will be more than happy, but don’t players have to wait until December to be traded?
If these 2 end up on this roster then this will be very disappointing
Disappointing? Lol. You should probably just give up at this point. Having these two guys, who were huge contributors to the team last season being on the team would be disappointing? I honestly don’t think you have a clue on market value.
As far as the December thing, I’m not sure about that but how are sign and trades getting done immediately if they can’t be traded until December?
because they're being signed as part of a sign-and-trade. It's all the same transation. When you just sign as a regular free agent, you can't be traded right away.
On any big ticket FA's coming here any time soon. He's clearly girding up for a big trade or 2, maybe not soon but somewhere in the next year or so. He has amassed draft picks, young players and movable deals.
They're gearing up for 2024 when his guys become available (Booker and Towns). Although I for one am tired of this game.
But I wouldn't sleep on McBride as the backup point either.
I'm not expecting anything from Luca.
adam-- I agree I like McBride. My thinking is that since McBride is a rookie it might take him until a little into the season to get real minutes. The thing about guys like Luca who come over from Europe is they often don't have a super high ceiling but they often at least have a decent floor just based on being fundamentally sound, smart, and experienced. If we sign no one else I could see Luca getting minutes opening day just because he actually has professional experience. I think McBride can overtake him over the course of the season. I'm not gonna sleep on Luca though-- maybe simply because I keep getting flashes of Pablo Prigioni when I think of him haha
Rose, Burks, Noel and Fournier all on 3 year deals.
Obviously the Knicks were very happy with the team last year
I am happy with today, they rewarded the players that carried them into the playoffs and added a solid shooter that average 18 a game.
Let's hope the kids keep developing and build for the future.
But I wouldn't sleep on McBride as the backup point either.
I'm not expecting anything from Luca.
adam-- I agree I like McBride. My thinking is that since McBride is a rookie it might take him until a little into the season to get real minutes. The thing about guys like Luca who come over from Europe is they often don't have a super high ceiling but they often at least have a decent floor just based on being fundamentally sound, smart, and experienced. If we sign no one else I could see Luca getting minutes opening day just because he actually has professional experience. I think McBride can overtake him over the course of the season. I'm not gonna sleep on Luca though-- maybe simply because I keep getting flashes of Pablo Prigioni when I think of him haha
run. If they hit on their picks like they have the past few years, it's only a matter of time. If RJ, Mitch, or IQ takes a huge leap like Randle, it may be faster than you think.
year of patching it together at PG. Hopefully Vildoza and/or Quickley can give them good minutes. They never had a chance at Paul and I woudln't have gone near Lowery at that number he got - but I think pursuing Dinwiddie or Graham would have been worthwhile. There's been so many missed opportunities at that position - it's getting old.
we got clarity on the Rose situation. If their cap hold for him is lower than what they paid I think they can go over the cap for him since they have early bird rights.
I.e. they have more room to bring on another player.
that they can use in a trade if needed, they have their draft picks, they have young guys to develop, are they a championship contender? no but i think they are a playoff team..
year of patching it together at PG. Hopefully Vildoza and/or Quickley can give them good minutes. They never had a chance at Paul and I woudln't have gone near Lowery at that number he got - but I think pursuing Dinwiddie or Graham would have been worthwhile. There's been so many missed opportunities at that position - it's getting old.
Fournier and Burks can both create in ways Payton and Bullock couldn't. I think it'll be a real team effort on the offensive end.
year of patching it together at PG. Hopefully Vildoza and/or Quickley can give them good minutes. They never had a chance at Paul and I woudln't have gone near Lowery at that number he got - but I think pursuing Dinwiddie or Graham would have been worthwhile. There's been so many missed opportunities at that position - it's getting old.
Fournier and Burks can both create in ways Payton and Bullock couldn't. I think it'll be a real team effort on the offensive end.
Agreed. And we should see more ball movement leading to a more efficient and productive offense.
Hitting free agency over the next 3 years, so they locked up vets that fit this system. I think they still have the assets to trade for a superstar, if one hits the market.
we got clarity on the Rose situation. If their cap hold for him is lower than what they paid I think they can go over the cap for him since they have early bird rights.
I.e. they have more room to bring on another player.
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Knicks deal with Derrick Rose of 3 years, $43 million is cap space. Had a chance to use his early bird rights but Rose’s value was higher. Roll it back. Cap room gone.
Welp, nevermind. He's the starter pending a trade.
agreed...Fournier is a nice player and will certainly help. Rose was real solid last year but might have gone in a different direction w/the PG spot. There were various options but appears we will run back the same team
non-guaranteed money in the Rose and Noel deals. Especially Rose. He was good this year but there's a reason he was playing on much smaller contracts the last few years.
Mike Vorkunov
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@johnhollinger
tells me they have about $8 mil left if they renounce the rights to Reggie Bullock and they cut Luca Vildoza. Bullock is reportedly going to Dallas. Knicks announced Vildoza as part of their Summer League roster this afternoon
Mike Vorkunov
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@johnhollinger
tells me they have about $8 mil left if they renounce the rights to Reggie Bullock and they cut Luca Vildoza. Bullock is reportedly going to Dallas. Knicks announced Vildoza as part of their Summer League roster this afternoon
I'd be so much happier if they gave that 8 mil to Cam Payne in a 3 year 24 mil deal, which is 25% more than he got.
I’m a big fan of Burks and think that is a good deal. I also understand bringing back a good team and rewarding the contributors.
But this offseason definitely puts a different scope on last season and how they chose to utilize their cap space. That was a mistake.
Lastly the idea of preserving cap space for 2024 is outrageous. Enough with that it’s a joke.
So you want them to give out 4 year deals?
I want them and everyone to stop talking about pipedreams. Remember how heralded the 2021 FA class was 18 months ago? And then 2022 and going back to 2020 etc. Trust me if Booker or one of the other stars in 2024 want to be a Knick, they will be. It’s the current state of the NBA.
I would have been far more aggressive on the younger RFA and just younger free agents but that I still don’t hate the signings. The Fournier and Rose deals are overpays though.
Rose still has plenty to prove in my book. We will see.
Hmmm, are you sure? It depends on when they sign guys.
Payton becomes Rose.
IQ takes over the sixth man spot?
Randle-Obi-?
Fournier-Burks-?
RJ-Grimes-IQ
Rose-Vildoza-McBride
Two thoughts - Knicks may have bigger plans for Vildoza than we know. Also, since Thibs loves Taj, and I am pretty sure Sims will make the team, a trade involving Mitch still seems like a possibility here.
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give or take because of cap holds can go over cap
Hmmm, are you sure? It depends on when they sign guys.
they had 7 with rose's cap hold, i think Noel's and Burks were low but i am not sure if they can jse their holds to sign them because of cap rules..
So they have at least 7, can get to 10 releasing Vildoza, if they can trade knox they can get to 15..
I do think they have a trade coming
I'm not expecting anything from Luca.
There are some bad deals flying around out there.
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/burks/knox
Rj/toppin
Mitch/noel
11 guaranteed contracts am i missing someone?
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/burks/knox
Rj/toppin
Mitch/noel
11 guaranteed contracts am i missing someone?
McBride!
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/burks/knox
Rj/toppin
Mitch/noel
11 guaranteed contracts am i missing someone?
McBride and Sims
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Rose/iq
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/burks/knox
Rj/toppin
Mitch/noel
11 guaranteed contracts am i missing someone?
McBride and Sims
they are 2nd round picks, they are not guaranteex
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If Noel and Burks get traded as part of a bigger deal then I will be more than happy, but don’t players have to wait until December to be traded?
If these 2 end up on this roster then this will be very disappointing
Disappointing? Lol. You should probably just give up at this point. Having these two guys, who were huge contributors to the team last season being on the team would be disappointing? I honestly don’t think you have a clue on market value.
As far as the December thing, I’m not sure about that but how are sign and trades getting done immediately if they can’t be traded until December?
because they're being signed as part of a sign-and-trade. It's all the same transation. When you just sign as a regular free agent, you can't be traded right away.
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Rose/iq
Fournier/Grimes
Rj/burks/knox
Rj/toppin
Mitch/noel
11 guaranteed contracts am i missing someone?
McBride!
He was a second round pick so not guaranteed.
They're gearing up for 2024 when his guys become available (Booker and Towns). Although I for one am tired of this game.
I'm not expecting anything from Luca.
adam-- I agree I like McBride. My thinking is that since McBride is a rookie it might take him until a little into the season to get real minutes. The thing about guys like Luca who come over from Europe is they often don't have a super high ceiling but they often at least have a decent floor just based on being fundamentally sound, smart, and experienced. If we sign no one else I could see Luca getting minutes opening day just because he actually has professional experience. I think McBride can overtake him over the course of the season. I'm not gonna sleep on Luca though-- maybe simply because I keep getting flashes of Pablo Prigioni when I think of him haha
That is crazy. I love Rose, but come on.
Obviously the Knicks were very happy with the team last year
I am happy with today, they rewarded the players that carried them into the playoffs and added a solid shooter that average 18 a game.
Let's hope the kids keep developing and build for the future.
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But I wouldn't sleep on McBride as the backup point either.
I'm not expecting anything from Luca.
adam-- I agree I like McBride. My thinking is that since McBride is a rookie it might take him until a little into the season to get real minutes. The thing about guys like Luca who come over from Europe is they often don't have a super high ceiling but they often at least have a decent floor just based on being fundamentally sound, smart, and experienced. If we sign no one else I could see Luca getting minutes opening day just because he actually has professional experience. I think McBride can overtake him over the course of the season. I'm not gonna sleep on Luca though-- maybe simply because I keep getting flashes of Pablo Prigioni when I think of him haha
Lol. Fair enough.
But this offseason definitely puts a different scope on last season and how they chose to utilize their cap space. That was a mistake.
Lastly the idea of preserving cap space for 2024 is outrageous. Enough with that it’s a joke.
You’re joking right?
But this offseason definitely puts a different scope on last season and how they chose to utilize their cap space. That was a mistake.
Lastly the idea of preserving cap space for 2024 is outrageous. Enough with that it’s a joke.
So you want them to give out 4 year deals?
I believe they would still have some space next year. The Noah cap charge comes off the books and they can let Knox go for nothing.
I.e. they have more room to bring on another player.
Fournier and Burks can both create in ways Payton and Bullock couldn't. I think it'll be a real team effort on the offensive end.
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year of patching it together at PG. Hopefully Vildoza and/or Quickley can give them good minutes. They never had a chance at Paul and I woudln't have gone near Lowery at that number he got - but I think pursuing Dinwiddie or Graham would have been worthwhile. There's been so many missed opportunities at that position - it's getting old.
Fournier and Burks can both create in ways Payton and Bullock couldn't. I think it'll be a real team effort on the offensive end.
Agreed. And we should see more ball movement leading to a more efficient and productive offense.
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I’m a big fan of Burks and think that is a good deal. I also understand bringing back a good team and rewarding the contributors.
But this offseason definitely puts a different scope on last season and how they chose to utilize their cap space. That was a mistake.
Lastly the idea of preserving cap space for 2024 is outrageous. Enough with that it’s a joke.
So you want them to give out 4 year deals?
Not to speak for him but I think his point is…been there, done that. And it never works out how we all dreamed it would.
I'd assume Rose starts.
I.e. they have more room to bring on another player.
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Knicks deal with Derrick Rose of 3 years, $43 million is cap space. Had a chance to use his early bird rights but Rose’s value was higher. Roll it back. Cap room gone.
Welp, nevermind. He's the starter pending a trade.
Mike Vorkunov
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@johnhollinger
tells me they have about $8 mil left if they renounce the rights to Reggie Bullock and they cut Luca Vildoza. Bullock is reportedly going to Dallas. Knicks announced Vildoza as part of their Summer League roster this afternoon
This is what i am thinking, otherwise bringing noel back at 10 doesnt make sense..your not paying a backup 10 million
Mike Vorkunov
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@johnhollinger
tells me they have about $8 mil left if they renounce the rights to Reggie Bullock and they cut Luca Vildoza. Bullock is reportedly going to Dallas. Knicks announced Vildoza as part of their Summer League roster this afternoon
I'd be so much happier if they gave that 8 mil to Cam Payne in a 3 year 24 mil deal, which is 25% more than he got.
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I’m a big fan of Burks and think that is a good deal. I also understand bringing back a good team and rewarding the contributors.
But this offseason definitely puts a different scope on last season and how they chose to utilize their cap space. That was a mistake.
Lastly the idea of preserving cap space for 2024 is outrageous. Enough with that it’s a joke.
So you want them to give out 4 year deals?
I want them and everyone to stop talking about pipedreams. Remember how heralded the 2021 FA class was 18 months ago? And then 2022 and going back to 2020 etc. Trust me if Booker or one of the other stars in 2024 want to be a Knick, they will be. It’s the current state of the NBA.
I would have been far more aggressive on the younger RFA and just younger free agents but that I still don’t hate the signings. The Fournier and Rose deals are overpays though.
Rose still has plenty to prove in my book. We will see.