If you are worried because Jones has not completed a lot of passes in training camp, I would not worry. He has not had problems completing passes in the past.
His problem has been turnovers. Interceptions and fumbles. Hopefully this problem has been addressed by improving his offensive line and by adding some pretty good receivers. If the interceptions and fumbles continue, then it will be time for us to worry.
Defense also has advantage, no tackling...means D can concentrate on passing, disregard play action, which is a big part of their offense.
Competition should make all better
Iron sharpens iron
I don't think there will be a next guy next year. That said, I'm far from panic mode.
DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It's definitely climate change.
DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It’s always the same with you too. Any discussion of Jones leads to a negative comment by you criticizing Jones. We are a week into camp with limited access to practice. We are forced to listen to the NY media which loves to create drama rather than report facts.
The defense appears to be ahead at the moment which shouldn’t be a surprise as the Giants might have the best secondary in the NFL. The Giants also have several new weapons that are getting comfortable in a new offense.
Maybe wait until the real games begin?
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It’s always the same with you too. Any discussion of Jones leads to a negative comment by you criticizing Jones.
I'm merely pointing out the new excuses being rolled out for the struggles Jones seems to be having so far through many reports.
Frankly, I find it very amusing any more and it's definitely a pattern.
Telling, but not very shocking at all.
DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
I mean this is like getting worked up over someone striking out against the pitching machine in early spring training. Really not a big deal
Although, I do agree overall there's a segment of the fanbase that will continue to make up excuses.
Telling, but not very shocking at all.
Nope it’s not. What do you think will happen if Jones breaks out this season? Will these posters just disappear from the Jones discussions or will they claim that Jones is only successful because of his weapons?
Telling, but not very shocking at all.
Ponderous?
I would hope that we are all Jones supporters at this point but sadly that’s not true. As with the rest of the group I’m hoping that Jones takes a big step forward this season and earns the long term job. If he doesn’t then I will be at the front of the line of those that want to find his replacement in next years draft.
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shocking thing is that you find it amusing.
Telling, but not very shocking at all.
Nope it’s not. What do you think will happen if Jones breaks out this season? Will these posters just disappear from the Jones discussions or will they claim that Jones is only successful because of his weapons?
They might say what a logical person would say...Jones has had 3 up and down years over his career and I am still not convinced what we have here.
And that wouldn’t be out of line. How many ultimatum years end in success?
For Phil, it was more like five years, and the conclusion Bill Parcells drew from the first four was: “Who? You mean that blond guy who’s always on IR? Nice arm. Too bad he can’t stay healthy or read coverage.” Ray Handley drew a similar conclusion in 1991, the difference being that Parcells was sort of right in 1983.
For Eli, it was three years plus the first sixteen weeks of the 2007 season, and the consensus was: “When he’s good, he’s really good; but when he’s bad, he’s really bad.” Not too far from the final verdict on his career, except the italics moved from the second “really” to the first one.
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It's definitely climate change.
This isnt talked about enough. A 1.4 degree temperature increase results in an additional half liter of sweat per 150 lbs. At 220 Jones is sweating nearly an extra quart, resulting in moist palms, poor grip, weaker spiral and, obviously, a lower completion rate.
This is why I founded the Daniel Jones Fans for Green Energy initiative. If you dont drive electric, get solar panels, and stop supporting beef farms (Im looking at you, Burger Thread...) are you even a real Giants fan?
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It's definitely climate change.
This isnt talked about enough. A 1.4 degree temperature increase results in an additional half liter of sweat per 150 lbs. At 220 Jones is sweating nearly an extra quart, resulting in moist palms, poor grip, weaker spiral and, obviously, a lower completion rate.
This is why I founded the Daniel Jones Fans for Green Energy initiative. If you dont drive electric, get solar panels, and stop supporting beef farms (Im looking at you, Burger Thread...) are you even a real Giants fan?
Doc, I am disappointed in you. You did not mention if that was centigrade or Fahrenheit, also no mention of raised CO2 levels clouding his brain, causing vision loss and muscle control.
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It's definitely climate change.
This isnt talked about enough. A 1.4 degree temperature increase results in an additional half liter of sweat per 150 lbs. At 220 Jones is sweating nearly an extra quart, resulting in moist palms, poor grip, weaker spiral and, obviously, a lower completion rate.
This is why I founded the Daniel Jones Fans for Green Energy initiative. If you dont drive electric, get solar panels, and stop supporting beef farms (Im looking at you, Burger Thread...) are you even a real Giants fan?
Doc, I am disappointed in you. You did not mention if that was centigrade or Fahrenheit, also no mention of raised CO2 levels clouding his brain, causing vision loss and muscle control.
All valid points but I didnt want to give too much away, as my research findings will be published in the upcoming issue of Aww for Fucks Sake Can We Just Go .500 Quarterly
Yes, but let s not complicate the constant over analysis of Jones with common sense.
Thank you.
Since practices started, I've been reading almost daily report after report after report about the struggles Jones has had. THE only comment I made on that was yesterday's on Eric's training camp report that it sounds like Jones isn't sharp yet.
But then I come over here and I see the litany of excuses starting. So I take a not-so-subtle jab at the excuses makers and, of course, it gets turned around that I'm taking shots at Jones.
And I'm sure our Fat friend in Charlotte is up on his roof right now making sure the bat signal is properly positioned to bring in more of the usual suspects. Just wait...
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he’s commenting on you chuckleheads...
Thank you.
Since practices started, I've been reading almost daily report after report after report about the struggles Jones has had. THE only comment I made on that was yesterday's on Eric's training camp report that it sounds like Jones isn't sharp yet.
But then I come over here and I see the litany of excuses starting. So I take a not-so-subtle jab at the excuses makers and, of course, it gets turned around that I'm taking shots at Jones.
And I'm sure our Fat friend in Charlotte is up on his roof right now making sure the bat signal is properly positioned to bring in more of the usual suspects. Just wait...
You've read report after report on Jones' struggles...LMFAO. The reports have been basically - yeah, Jones wasn't sharp, Golladay had a great catch and Shepard has looked very good...with muted reporting and restrictions the only thing I look at is the injury reports - that is the only thing factual.
At this point the only thing we will see is self fulfilling prophecies...(and that does work both ways).
I am pulling for him too. Giants are so much better off if DJ can be the guy. Giving him a third year was how I would play it as well...
Then you are an idiot.
DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
Exactly. Because pointing out mitigating circumstances is, sadly, the Mark of the Homer.
Ignoring them to push a narrative is simply the Mark of the Enlightened.
Me? I'll just relax and see how things play out over time. I figure that's the Mark of the Patient.
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I really like Jones and lean towards him turning a corner this year.
I am pulling for him too. Giants are so much better off if DJ can be the guy. Giving him a third year was how I would play it as well...
No sh*t. It will be nice not having to use at least one of our two first round picks next year on the next “franchise QB” like the Jets had to do. I say at least one because we might be in a situation where second one is necessary to include in a trade up.
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
Exactly. Because pointing out mitigating circumstances is, sadly, the Mark of the Homer.
Ignoring them to push a narrative is simply the Mark of the Enlightened.
Me? I'll just relax and see how things play out over time. I figure that's the Mark of the Patient.
It is not the Mark of the Patient, it is the Mark of the Stupid. No player is ever going to have everything be 100% perfect around him. If the littlest thing causes Daniel Jones to fold then we need to find someone else.
What those bitching about excuses are using the same information as excuses why DJ is bad.
(reasons=excuses)
Metrics, personnel, field conditions, newness, oldness etc...
The opinions that come from folks that have spent decades "on grass" are the one's that matter.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the team play.
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
Exactly. Because pointing out mitigating circumstances is, sadly, the Mark of the Homer.
Ignoring them to push a narrative is simply the Mark of the Enlightened.
Me? I'll just relax and see how things play out over time. I figure that's the Mark of the Patient.
It is not the Mark of the Patient, it is the Mark of the Stupid. No player is ever going to have everything be 100% perfect around him. If the littlest thing causes Daniel Jones to fold then we need to find someone else.
"Stupid is as stupid does," or in your case, as stupid posts.
I never said Jones needs everything around him to be perfect for him to succeed, nor would I ever say that. I merely said that it's way to early to be saying anything definitive about Jones after less than one week of camp, and that his alleged struggles could be attributed to the way practices have been structured, at least in part.
I'm content to see how things develop as camp and the preseason progress. I would advise against rending any garments at this point in time, just as I would advise against preparing any displays for Canton. Jones has a lot to prove. I'm willing to give him the time to do that. Clearly, you're not.
It seems to me that you've already "closed the book" on Jones, so to speak. That's your prerogative. So, wear your Mark of the Needlessly Dramatic with pride. You might even get the extra-special Whining ribbon to go with it.
The bat signal was already sent out when a thread with "Jones" was posted and you once again jumped into action to be one of the early ones to comment. The irony....
By the way - I wonder when positive reports about Jones surface if you'll enlighten the board with the details or will you just talk about those pieces as being fluff or fodder to boost his confidence?
Yup, that's how I feel. I realize why people want to argue over this but there just isn't anything interesting to say about it anymore. No amount of posting can change what Jones did or determine what he will do. There isn't a single thing anyone can post about him that hasn't already been opined before either.
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DBs have the early advantage, too many red-zone packages, climate change, new receivers, still developing OL, SB isn't ready yet, etc.
It’s always the same with you too. Any discussion of Jones leads to a negative comment by you criticizing Jones. We are a week into camp with limited access to practice. We are forced to listen to the NY media which loves to create drama rather than report facts.
The defense appears to be ahead at the moment which shouldn’t be a surprise as the Giants might have the best secondary in the NFL. The Giants also have several new weapons that are getting comfortable in a new offense.
Maybe wait until the real games begin?
those two years of games aren't a good sample size for ya? jones stinks.