If you are worried because Jones has not completed a lot of passes in training camp, I would not worry. He has not had problems completing passes in the past.
His problem has been turnovers. Interceptions and fumbles. Hopefully this problem has been addressed by improving his offensive line and by adding some pretty good receivers. If the interceptions and fumbles continue, then it will be time for us to worry.
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Sure. I can tell you exactly what I will say - 'Good to hear Jones living up to his expectations and doing what the 6th pick in the draft should be doing...'
Well, Jones had a very good day today, so feel free to say it.
Good to hear. DJ needs to start stringing these performances together to have positive momentum going into the season.
I hope you didn't hurt yourself moving the goalposts.
I hope you didn't hurt yourself moving the goalposts.
Let me know where I can pick the "How to be a Giants Fan" by Klaatu so I can get more familiar with what your preferences, too.
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I hope you didn't hurt yourself moving the goalposts.
Let me know where I can pick the "How to be a Giants Fan" by Klaatu so I can get more familiar with what your preferences, too.
Well, you can begin by saying exactly what you'd said you'd say without any added qualifiers. It's a start.
So that's my issue when we talk about Jones. He's essentially experienced what Wentz did in 2020 but for the first 2 years of his career and he's never experienced a plus unit anywhere on offense except for a handful of games with Barkley on a bad ankle.
You can say that for Jones going back to Duke, where his career wasn't exceptional either. There's no shame in that - his team was probably overmatched in most games.
What you are missing is that the criticism isn't of Jones. The criticism is of the people that decided to build the team around him despite his never once showing that he is a top level player.
What Essex said above is accurate: Jones's trouble is with seeing and processing the game. That was a problem at Duke - so how is it not going to be a problem in the NFL?
He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
On the positive end of things: Daniel Jones had his best practice. I didn’t chart any incompletions during team drills. #Giants
This entire thread: Oh well. Never mind.
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our biggest rival. For example, Carson Wentz. Injuries are the biggie, and that's something that's 100% on him just like it is 100% on Jones. But in terms of performance there's no doubt that their awful WR's corps, a decling Ertz, a non stop merry go round at RB and suspect line play are all big reasons why he's regressed. Those aren't excuses, they are absolutely positively reasons why he isn't a better QB.
So that's my issue when we talk about Jones. He's essentially experienced what Wentz did in 2020 but for the first 2 years of his career and he's never experienced a plus unit anywhere on offense except for a handful of games with Barkley on a bad ankle.
You can say that for Jones going back to Duke, where his career wasn't exceptional either. There's no shame in that - his team was probably overmatched in most games.
What you are missing is that the criticism isn't of Jones. The criticism is of the people that decided to build the team around him despite his never once showing that he is a top level player.
What Essex said above is accurate: Jones's trouble is with seeing and processing the game. That was a problem at Duke - so how is it not going to be a problem in the NFL?
He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
I understand what the criticism is, but theres various levels to it of which Jones and his performance is one facet. Our coaching is another. Or GM's hits/misses are another. The supporting cast as a whole is another. You can keep going back to that draft if you wish, and analyze the shit out of why he was drafted, but it doesn't change that he's been the QB for 2 years and will be in 2021. It doesn't change who he played with his first 2 years either.
To answer your question regarding scanning the field - experience, coaching, and better players. The Giants have done everything they can this offseason to put the best possible situation around him, we will see how it turns out.
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Daniel Jones is having a strong practice today. Just scrambled to his right as pass protection broke down and threw back upfield complete to Evan Engram cutting inside on the second level 🎯
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Best drill period of camp for Daniel Jones in red zone: three TD passes and a TD run.
He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
How can anyone take this guy seriously after a comment like this?
Cheese and crackers!
If record is the only indicator - then there's another little pesky ding in the arguments of people who said Gettleman was a terrible hire and only was the beneficiary of a stacked team in Carolina.
But consistency really isn't a pillar here, is it?
I'm pinning my hopes on Judge and the other new guys rectifying this situation in 2022.
Do you really believe the shit you post?
By the way - you do realize that Mara has been in that position since 2005, right?
I'm pinning my hopes on Judge and the other new guys rectifying this situation in 2022.
Where do you come up with this shit?
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Best drill period of camp for Daniel Jones in red zone: three TD passes and a TD run.
Wow, Jones is going to be an All-Pro.
Great job by Judge completely turning him around in 2 practices.
Why don't you pick another name out of your fucking hat to compare Jones to?
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Is "this front office" code for Gettleman, or does the Giants history only go back to 2018 like yours does?
If record is the only indicator - then there's another little pesky ding in the arguments of people who said Gettleman was a terrible hire and only was the beneficiary of a stacked team in Carolina.
But consistency really isn't a pillar here, is it?
Why don't you pick another name out of your fucking hat to compare Jones to?
I'd have gone with Mariota or Trubisky, but Jones isn't as good as either. Gabbert - not good enough to start but good enough to hang around as a backup for a decade - that's about right.
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Best drill period of camp for Daniel Jones in red zone: three TD passes and a TD run.
Wow, Jones is going to be an All-Pro.
Great job by Judge completely turning him around in 2 practices.
It appears you are completely missing the point, and I certainly said nothing like your conclusion. The point is, a few tweets about Jones throwing some incompletions in camp began a "sky is falling" he needs to be replaced silliness. What I am saying is here is some positive news but it means very little and won't stop silly posts like yours.
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Best drill period of camp for Daniel Jones in red zone: three TD passes and a TD run.
Wow, Jones is going to be an All-Pro.
Great job by Judge completely turning him around in 2 practices.
It appears you are completely missing the point, and I certainly said nothing like your conclusion. The point is, a few tweets about Jones throwing some incompletions in camp began a "sky is falling" he needs to be replaced silliness. What I am saying is here is some positive news but it means very little and won't stop silly posts like yours.
Nope, I actually get your point 100% (and the points of others on here). I was just being sarcastic, using this report to show the equivalent, stupid, kneejerk reaction in the other direction. I don't think it matters are all what happens in these practices, and even in the preseason games. They are practice.
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LOL..
FatMan in Charlotte : 1:13 pm : link : reply
Is "this front office" code for Gettleman, or does the Giants history only go back to 2018 like yours does?
If record is the only indicator - then there's another little pesky ding in the arguments of people who said Gettleman was a terrible hire and only was the beneficiary of a stacked team in Carolina.
But consistency really isn't a pillar here, is it?
That wasn't even directed at you Clownshoes.
typical troll job - trying to join the discussion
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Best drill period of camp for Daniel Jones in red zone: three TD passes and a TD run.
Wow, Jones is going to be an All-Pro.
Great job by Judge completely turning him around in 2 practices.
It appears you are completely missing the point, and I certainly said nothing like your conclusion. The point is, a few tweets about Jones throwing some incompletions in camp began a "sky is falling" he needs to be replaced silliness. What I am saying is here is some positive news but it means very little and won't stop silly posts like yours.
Nope, I actually get your point 100% (and the points of others on here). I was just being sarcastic, using this report to show the equivalent, stupid, kneejerk reaction in the other direction. I don't think it matters are all what happens in these practices, and even in the preseason games. They are practice.
My bad. I thought it didn't sound typical of you.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 1:13 pm : link : reply
Is "this front office" code for Gettleman, or does the Giants history only go back to 2018 like yours does?
If record is the only indicator - then there's another little pesky ding in the arguments of people who said Gettleman was a terrible hire and only was the beneficiary of a stacked team in Carolina.
But consistency really isn't a pillar here, is it?
You have to understand that our Fat friend in Charlotte is good friends with Brandon Beane, the GM for the Bills. And Beane was the apprentice under Gettleman when he was the GM in Carolina. So Beane is very fond of DG.
Which means so is out Fat friend. And that is why he does the FatMan Shuffle when it comes to basically any criticism of DG...
And I guess Beane knows his shit since he picked Allen.....
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He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
How can anyone take this guy seriously after a comment like this?
I don't take him seriously. I don't even waste my time reading his posts anymore and wouldn't have noticed that comment if you hadn't quoted it (I do value the opinions of Jay on the Island).
I don't need extra reasons for hoping DJ succeeds beyond the obvious (Giants success), but it will be a nice big fat fucking cherry on top to make the miserable master haters shut TF up and stop vomiting their negativity over every thread about Jones.
And I guess Beane knows his shit since he picked Allen.....
Indeed. Beane saw the great talent in Allen and traded up to draft him. So it seems he saw many of the limitations in DG's way of doing business and clearly paved his own way of doing business...
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He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
How can anyone take this guy seriously after a comment like this?
I don't take him seriously. I don't even waste my time reading his posts anymore and wouldn't have noticed that comment if you hadn't quoted it (I do value the opinions of Jay on the Island).
I don't need extra reasons for hoping DJ succeeds beyond the obvious (Giants success), but it will be a nice big fat fucking cherry on top to make the miserable master haters shut TF up and stop vomiting their negativity over every thread about Jones.
And I guess Beane knows his shit since he picked Allen.....
Beane has shown he can turnaround a franchise. He would be a better guy for you to defend.
Whoops, sorry. You have said you don't defend Gettleman...
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He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
How can anyone take this guy seriously after a comment like this?
I don't take him seriously. I don't even waste my time reading his posts anymore and wouldn't have noticed that comment if you hadn't quoted it (I do value the opinions of Jay on the Island).
I don't need extra reasons for hoping DJ succeeds beyond the obvious (Giants success), but it will be a nice big fat fucking cherry on top to make the miserable master haters shut TF up and stop vomiting their negativity over every thread about Jones.
Who's hating Jones? I certainly don't hate him. The situation is what it is. Playing quarterback in the NFL is really hard and very few people on earth can do it at a high level.
Jones isn't going to see another contract with the Giants. I am as confident saying that as I have ever been about anything I've ever said on this board. The question will be whether he gets 2022 as well.
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He's an NFL backup-level talent that got overdrafted because he looks and feels like Eli Manning. That's not a criticism of Jones...it's a criticism of the front office that drafted him. It always has been.
How can anyone take this guy seriously after a comment like this?
I don't take him seriously. I don't even waste my time reading his posts anymore and wouldn't have noticed that comment if you hadn't quoted it (I do value the opinions of Jay on the Island).
I don't need extra reasons for hoping DJ succeeds beyond the obvious (Giants success), but it will be a nice big fat fucking cherry on top to make the miserable master haters shut TF up and stop vomiting their negativity over every thread about Jones.
Who's hating Jones? I certainly don't hate him. The situation is what it is. Playing quarterback in the NFL is really hard and very few people on earth can do it at a high level.
Jones isn't going to see another contract with the Giants. I am as confident saying that as I have ever been about anything I've ever said on this board. The question will be whether he gets 2022 as well.
Yep - that's why you are Go Panic -- king of the knee jerk assessments -- throwing out the baby with the bathwater before it even gets wet behind the ears
First, Nick Mullens is better than Jones and now, Blaine Gabbert is a good comp.
Can't wait for his evaluation of CJ Beathard and see if he's as confident in that as anything else!!
First, Nick Mullens is better than Jones and now, Blaine Gabbert is a good comp.
Can't wait for his evaluation of CJ Beathard and see if he's as confident in that as anything else!!
You mean the player with equal or better AY/A the last two years than Jones has ever had in his career? The one who had 6/0 TD/INT ratio last year on a SF team that had one WR healthy (Aiyuk)? :)
First, Nick Mullens is better than Jones and now, Blaine Gabbert is a good comp.
Can't wait for his evaluation of CJ Beathard and see if he's as confident in that as anything else!!
Well, when we played San Fran last September, Mullens had a much better game than Jones.
Now, I haven't adjusted Jones's stats for the excuse variable, but right now he was significantly out-played.
I don’t really ever read anyone go on record and say, based on his play so far, I think Jones is going to be a quality long term starter.
I don’t really ever read anyone go on record and say, based on his play so far, I think Jones is going to be a quality long term starter.
Which doesn't make him right or wrong.
Without getting political, how many people were on record in 2015-2016 laughing at the idea of Donald Trump getting elected President? Quite a few, as I recall. There weren't very many who would state, categorically, that he did indeed have a shot.
I give GT credit for consistency, and I can't fault him for the unshakable courage of his convictions, however, I do think his judgement is premature, and what isn't terribly courageous is looking at Jones' first two years in the league and concluding that he's a career backup at best, especially when you look at those two years in a vacuum, and dismiss or ignore any factor, any mitigating circumstance that might call your narrative into question.
GT also has a foolish tendency towards projection. He doesn't like Jones, and wants to be rid of him, therefore Joe Judge mustn't like him, either, and can't wait to get rid of him, too. It's not only foolish, in my opinion, with no real foundation behind it, but it's become tiresome, too, as GT has said it repeatedly, and in a variety of ways.
You know, there have been several times in the past when I've agreed with GT. In fact, some years ago in an email to Eric I said something like I can't believe GT and I are on the same page. What's this world coming to? At this point, though, and on the topic of Jones I find him to be extremely irritating, so much so that a few weeks ago I called him "a dick." There will be no retraction or apology for that.
I don’t really ever read anyone go on record and say, based on his play so far, I think Jones is going to be a quality long term starter.
I can’t remember the last time I looked at any player and adamantly said they were going to definitively be good or bad - maybe Luck?
I also maintain the viewpoint that it’s really easy to expect a player to suck as to not get your hopes up (see Engram thread) because if you are wrong it doesn’t sting and if you are right you were ready for it (and can boast about being right). There’s an actual psychology around this line of thinking - expecting the worst and hoping for the best is real and manifests itself on many forms.
But I am willing to suggest that comparisons of Jones to the likes of Blaine Gabbert and other San Fran backup QBs is someone just looking for an argument. And I guess it's not a surprise who brought that up either.
I understand that worry but IMO that would just showcase his inability to be healthy and the fate would be the same as if he had a bad year. I can't imagine Judge signing up for a 4th year on a QB that can't stay on the field, or plays hurt a lot limiting what he does well.
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Jones going down in week 2 or 3 after some meh game play and not being truly healthy for the rest of the season. The entire franchise will be in suspense for another year. From my perspective, that is the nightmare scenario.
I understand that worry but IMO that would just showcase his inability to be healthy and the fate would be the same as if he had a bad year. I can't imagine Judge signing up for a 4th year on a QB that can't stay on the field, or plays hurt a lot limiting what he does well.
Otoh, Simms’ injuries essentially made him a less than reliable player, from 1979-83, so there’s that. Of course, there was no social media or incessant calls for his head as frustrating as it was. Patience is virtually non-existent today..
Kyler Murray, Devin White, D.K. Metcalf, Quenton Nelson, Darius Leonard, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Dashuan Watson, TJ Watt, CMC, Budda Baker. I’m sure I’ve missed some.
I’m honestly just surprised fewer people don’t have a conviction about Jones. I respect that Terps stands by his conviction. He certainly did with Eli Manning.
My view, I think Jones has similar upside to Joe Flacco. A few plus traits, a few limits, but will stick around in the NFL if healthy. And if you pair him with a dominant defense or run game, can make noise in the playoffs.
Kyler Murray, Devin White, D.K. Metcalf, Quenton Nelson, Darius Leonard, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Dashuan Watson, TJ Watt, CMC, Budda Baker. I’m sure I’ve missed some.
I’m honestly just surprised fewer people don’t have a conviction about Jones. I respect that Terps stands by his conviction. He certainly did with Eli Manning.
My view, I think Jones has similar upside to Joe Flacco. A few plus traits, a few limits, but will stick around in the NFL if healthy. And if you pair him with a dominant defense or run game, can make noise in the playoffs.
Flacco won a SB, largely because he performed well in clutch spots. He might have made another SB had he not suffered an easy dropped TD pass and missed extra point, allowing Brady, once again to ultimately advance to a SB..
I think injuries, post SB win proved to be his undoing and he was never the same