If you are worried because Jones has not completed a lot of passes in training camp, I would not worry. He has not had problems completing passes in the past.
His problem has been turnovers. Interceptions and fumbles. Hopefully this problem has been addressed by improving his offensive line and by adding some pretty good receivers. If the interceptions and fumbles continue, then it will be time for us to worry.
“Nobody wanted to be sitting here watching this mess, certainly not me. But if any of you think we are going to sit here and watch DJ underperform again this year and let the team and many of you act like he was the right pick because DG liked the cut of his jib and fell in love, you all clearly don't know what you are up against either.”
What are you getting at? What is anybody in here or with the Giants “up against? I’m genuinely curious what you mean by that. What’s your plan? What do you plan to do about it?
More and more people are going to pick up their pitchforks if this doesn't get better soon. No matter how optimistic some of you are.
As for me personally, unlike the Giants, I always have a plan
More and more people are going to pick up their pitchforks if this doesn't get better soon. No matter how optimistic some of you are.
As for me personally, unlike the Giants, I always have a plan
Pretty scary. Mara must be shaking in his boots.
If I grab a pitchfork, do I have to give Jones a statement of reassurance before jabbing it at him?
Because clearly any positive things said are just to placate him.
Fuck it - a tine between the 4th and 5th ribs should be fair warning enough that Patton Oswalt isn't going to take it!!
More and more people are going to pick up their pitchforks if this doesn't get better soon. No matter how optimistic some of you are.
As for me personally, unlike the Giants, I always have a plan
Pitckforks.
Yall gone and loss ya mines.
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I’ve read from many posters they believe a big part of the problems last year was the lack of camp, pre-season.
If this thesis is true, I’d imagine doing well in those missing milestones would be the goal?
If Jones was doing really well, that’s a good sign, no?
A week into camp? Before even shells were on? Come on, Christian.. You’re better than this.
All I’m saying is if these are important reps, and he was doing well, it would be fair to take it as a good sign.
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I’ve read from many posters they believe a big part of the problems last year was the lack of camp, pre-season.
If this thesis is true, I’d imagine doing well in those missing milestones would be the goal?
If Jones was doing really well, that’s a good sign, no?
A week into camp? Before even shells were on? Come on, Christian.. You’re better than this.
All I’m saying is if these are important reps, and he was doing well, it would be fair to take it as a good sign.
No. These are not important reps. They will let you know when they are and if you can deduce anything from them.
Come on. Be better...
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I find it troubling that the camp reports about Jones have been pretty negative. I like it that he had a good day in pads yesterday but noticed that the same day he was described as throwing an errant pass in 1-on-1 drills with a receiver.
Is it the final verdict? Of course not. But it’s troubling.
You know why camp performance always comes with an asterisk? Because it is much easier than regular season games. For years we have seen fringe players tear it up in camp only to get cut a few weeks later. And now we have our starting QB coming into the most important season of his life and he looks… meh.
Just awesome.
Holy shit. Lol. Giants fans fucking suck. This post has to be sarcasm, right? Right? Please tell me it is?
It's the same way the 8-9 good games he's played are important, but the remaining 23-24 games he's been poor or hasn't played since he got here aren't important.
I can’t help the irony in seeing all the whining about how much people here complain about the team then acting like you aren’t already seeing the pitchforks. BBI and the Giants actually use some pretty classic counter-revolutionary tactics. Like pushing narratives and attempting to discredit the character of those with dissenting opinions. Regardless, that part doesn’t matter just amusing to me that they’d rather think about how to bend a story than how to fix the organization more broadly.
The best part is no matter how much this is attempted. And let’s be clear, there is one side arguing for the competence of a multi billion dollar organization and that’s been a real struggle. That really says everything about why it shouldn’t really be funny to anyone. BBI isn’t the world, the people that speak up slant towards bigger fans, ones that of course would be more positive. Again, crazy that it’s even this bad, that says something. But the real sad part is have cousins in high school I’m close with who have absolutely zero interest in going to see the Giants. The pitchforks are here already you numskulls, in the form of a good number of people thinking this franchise is a joke. Congratulations to those brave keyboard warriors who have fought bravely to defend the monarch who as many of them point out happily will never change. What is funnier than a self identified useless person?
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I’ve read from many posters they believe a big part of the problems last year was the lack of camp, pre-season.
If this thesis is true, I’d imagine doing well in those missing milestones would be the goal?
If Jones was doing really well, that’s a good sign, no?
A week into camp? Before even shells were on? Come on, Christian.. You’re better than this.
All I’m saying is if these are important reps, and he was doing well, it would be fair to take it as a good sign.
Not really, unless you look at it as a non negative..Culling anything from this, at this juncture, is silly, imv.
Does the Monarchy take away the cake at the Press buffet and force them to stare at the trophy case with 4 Lombardi's in it until they get the messaging right, or do they do the proper thing and behead the fuckers?
Picture more of a Patton Oswalt...
Mara needs to bump up his personal security.
If anything, the majority of the fanbase was energized by Judge last season and seems to be keeping that momentum of optimism with the additions in the offseason and the expected growth of the young players.
I see this season as one where expectations are finally higher than anytime in the past 7-8 seasons.
I can’t help the irony in seeing all the whining about how much people here complain about the team then acting like you aren’t already seeing the pitchforks. BBI and the Giants actually use some pretty classic counter-revolutionary tactics. Like pushing narratives and attempting to discredit the character of those with dissenting opinions. Regardless, that part doesn’t matter just amusing to me that they’d rather think about how to bend a story than how to fix the organization more broadly.
The best part is no matter how much this is attempted. And let’s be clear, there is one side arguing for the competence of a multi billion dollar organization and that’s been a real struggle. That really says everything about why it shouldn’t really be funny to anyone. BBI isn’t the world, the people that speak up slant towards bigger fans, ones that of course would be more positive. Again, crazy that it’s even this bad, that says something. But the real sad part is have cousins in high school I’m close with who have absolutely zero interest in going to see the Giants. The pitchforks are here already you numskulls, in the form of a good number of people thinking this franchise is a joke. Congratulations to those brave keyboard warriors who have fought bravely to defend the monarch who as many of them point out happily will never change. What is funnier than a self identified useless person?
So, to be clear, you don't like the whining about the whining....
...and your will is strong enough to change the WORLD...or, the Giants' decision making processes?
Dominate!
You go girl...
If anything, the majority of the fanbase was energized by Judge last season and seems to be keeping that momentum of optimism with the additions in the offseason and the expected growth of the young players.
I see this season as one where expectations are finally higher than anytime in the past 7-8 seasons.
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the idea that the majority of the fanbase is pointing pitchforks might be a few years too late.
If anything, the majority of the fanbase was energized by Judge last season and seems to be keeping that momentum of optimism with the additions in the offseason and the expected growth of the young players.
I see this season as one where expectations are finally higher than anytime in the past 7-8 seasons.
Agreed. The arrow is up and the fans should be excited.
The Giants have been bad for a decade. I'm going to wait for them to actually give me a reason to be excited.
Let's start small, let's not start 0-2. Or 0-5. Or 1-6. Or 2-7.
Let's not be out of it by Halloween. And I know they weren't technically out of it last year, but finishing a close 2nd in the worst division ever doesn't do anything for me.
When they display the competence necessary to win football games more often than they lose them, I'll be excited. The arrow is pointing sideways until the results indicate that it's going up.
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the idea that the majority of the fanbase is pointing pitchforks might be a few years too late.
If anything, the majority of the fanbase was energized by Judge last season and seems to be keeping that momentum of optimism with the additions in the offseason and the expected growth of the young players.
I see this season as one where expectations are finally higher than anytime in the past 7-8 seasons.
Agreed. The arrow is up and the fans should be excited.
The Giants have been bad for a decade. I'm going to wait for them to actually give me a reason to be excited.
Let's start small, let's not start 0-2. Or 0-5. Or 1-6. Or 2-7.
Let's not be out of it by Halloween. And I know they weren't technically out of it last year, but finishing a close 2nd in the worst division ever doesn't do anything for me.
When they display the competence necessary to win football games more often than they lose them, I'll be excited. The arrow is pointing sideways until the results indicate that it's going up.
Need to win ugly in September/October. I am hopeful that half of BBI is complaining about some ugly wins or unimpressive wins with the team sitting around 3-2 or so. Ugly wins get you to January.
This team needs to learn how to win. This D is loaded and together now for two full camps. It's talented. It's been upgraded. If the Giants offense struggles early on, I don't wanna here shit, win ugly. 13-7 is just as effective as 27-13. Get some wins early, and keep grinding and gaining confidence. This is what they couldn't do in 17-20. That needs to change.
That spans 4 head coaches too, that's if you want to call a couple of them head coaches.
Judge needs to right the ship this season. And that begins by starting the season 1-0...
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the idea that the majority of the fanbase is pointing pitchforks might be a few years too late.
If anything, the majority of the fanbase was energized by Judge last season and seems to be keeping that momentum of optimism with the additions in the offseason and the expected growth of the young players.
I see this season as one where expectations are finally higher than anytime in the past 7-8 seasons.
Agreed. The arrow is up and the fans should be excited.
The Giants have been bad for a decade. I'm going to wait for them to actually give me a reason to be excited.
Let's start small, let's not start 0-2. Or 0-5. Or 1-6. Or 2-7.
Let's not be out of it by Halloween. And I know they weren't technically out of it last year, but finishing a close 2nd in the worst division ever doesn't do anything for me.
When they display the competence necessary to win football games more often than they lose them, I'll be excited. The arrow is pointing sideways until the results indicate that it's going up.
That is certainly fair.
The greatest Giant team of my lifetime didn't win game 1 but they were coming off consecutive years winning playoff games. The 1986 Giants were a legendary team when the season ended with a the Super Bowl win. But for the the first half of the season the offense was terrible for the most part and the wins were "ugly". Whoever said ugly adds up is right. Although after the past decade anytime the Giants win it will be beautiful.
Yeah, I get that. I am certainly excited for Giants football just because it is something I love and have been without for months. My expectations? I try to promise myself that I won't be surprised if they are not a good football team again.
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the idea that the majority of the fanbase is pointing pitchforks might be a few years too late.
If anything, the majority of the fanbase was energized by Judge last season and seems to be keeping that momentum of optimism with the additions in the offseason and the expected growth of the young players.
I see this season as one where expectations are finally higher than anytime in the past 7-8 seasons.
Agreed. The arrow is up and the fans should be excited.
The Giants have been bad for a decade. I'm going to wait for them to actually give me a reason to be excited.
Let's start small, let's not start 0-2. Or 0-5. Or 1-6. Or 2-7.
Let's not be out of it by Halloween. And I know they weren't technically out of it last year, but finishing a close 2nd in the worst division ever doesn't do anything for me.
When they display the competence necessary to win football games more often than they lose them, I'll be excited. The arrow is pointing sideways until the results indicate that it's going up.
Well said
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and would be if we were 0-16 last year, Maybe there’s confusion around the words excitement and expectations but I don’t know how any fan can go into this season and not be excited. Expectations are a different conversation entirely.
Yeah, I get that. I am certainly excited for Giants football just because it is something I love and have been without for months. My expectations? I try to promise myself that I won't be surprised if they are not a good football team again.
I think after this many bad years, the best I can muster is "hopeful". I'm open to the possibility that this year will be better, but I'm not assuming or even optimistic that it will be.
I'm prepared for anything between 5-9 wins. I'd consider anything outside that range a genuine surprise.
I'm prepared for the possibility that Daniel Jones will be the QB everyone wants him to be. I'm also prepared for the possibility that he's not and never will be.
It's the same way the 8-9 good games he's played are important, but the remaining 23-24 games he's been poor or hasn't played since he got here aren't important.
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and would be if we were 0-16 last year, Maybe there’s confusion around the words excitement and expectations but I don’t know how any fan can go into this season and not be excited. Expectations are a different conversation entirely.
Yeah, I get that. I am certainly excited for Giants football just because it is something I love and have been without for months. My expectations? I try to promise myself that I won't be surprised if they are not a good football team again.
I think after this many bad years, the best I can muster is "hopeful". I'm open to the possibility that this year will be better, but I'm not assuming or even optimistic that it will be.
I'm prepared for anything between 5-9 wins. I'd consider anything outside that range a genuine surprise.
I'm prepared for the possibility that Daniel Jones will be the QB everyone wants him to be. I'm also prepared for the possibility that he's not and never will be.
RS, that seems logical to me. I find myself being hopeful almost every year; I imagine players getting better in the off-season, while not thinking much about players losing a step or not being able to match their production from the year before. That is probably why I get surprised when players are not performing like the year before. My thinking certainly goes astray from logical too often.
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They started being important reps when reports came in yesterday that he was razor sharp. The bad reps aren't important.
It's the same way the 8-9 good games he's played are important, but the remaining 23-24 games he's been poor or hasn't played since he got here aren't important.
That's exactly what worries me about Jones, there is a lot more bad than good so far so we are supposed to ignore the majority of his work and hope the smaller sample eventually tips the balance in his favor? It's certainly possible and I hope for it but you are spot on here there is far more bad than good.
The bad shows where we can improve, the good shows where we're headed.
It's unfortunate that fans come here to cause trouble, because most of the site contains fans wanting to innocently engage in conversation about their team.
It's unfortunate that fans come here to cause trouble, because most of the site contains fans wanting to innocently engage in conversation about their team.
If form holds, he'll get himself banned shortly.
It's only the ones that actually care a lot about the team that have their pitchforks.
No surprise that a small group here also doesn't understand the sampling bias of just looking at the excitement in the most rabid of Giants fans. Even with the deified Joe Judge in place, giving away Giants tickets could often take a few tries. Selling them was right out of the question. Nothing quite captures the lack of excitement for a team than the lack of desire for people to want to buy tickets to go see them.
Do they look better on paper this year? Sure. But that doesn't mean they are out of the laughing stock pile.
I can't believe there are people that live under a big enough rock to not understand that the Giants have become a joke. Browns fans trash talk us, the BROWNS
You are free to feel however you want about them but you are essentially calling for everyone to be pissed and angry about our lack of success. I think i'm good on that, I don't watch sports to get angry, I watch them for entertainment and to have some fun with friends (especially football during the winter with limited outdoor options).
No pitchforks until I have to spread mulch.
I'm really, pretty happy with what 2021 appears to have in store for the Giants.
Sorry, not sorry.
And that yeah, people aren't going to buy anything other than wins at this point. No matter how much you want to spin anything into sunshine and rainbows.
Yes, I do also find the excuse acrobat team you've got going doing their gymnastics only to have it be less and less effective to again, even the most rabid of Giants fans.
Fans want to be optimistic. Your rag tag team of polyanna's seem to miss on this one consistently as you try to discredit people who validly question the competence of your strangely beloved front office.
How did you feel about 2020? 2019? Could you honestly say this was ever not true?
Predicting the Giants will go to the superbowl would be the definition of "blind faith" coming off of another season under .500. Thinking the arrow is pointing up and having fun watching them isn't anything close to "blind faith", a more accurate term would be "normal".
My optimism comes from watching the team.
Clearly, we value different aspects of what is happening on the field.
I might have a higher opinion of the HC than you do.
I am also not allowing my emotions to make decisions regarding my level of enjoyment of the Giants.
But, you be you.
I can't believe there are people that live under a big enough rock to not understand that the Giants have become a joke. Browns fans trash talk us, the BROWNS
I don't know any Browns fans so this really isn't an issue for me.
Actually, are there even enough that this matters?
The inference continues to be that those who are critical are somehow more learned or sophisticated.
I would think that learned people would have a basic understanding that their complaints on a message board have no impact towards what the team does, but after several posts last night and today, alas, that appears to not be the case.
I do not have a plan. I don't own a pitchfork. And I likely won't until I master how to chase windmills....
They tilt...they tilt at windmills.
They tilt...they tilt at windmills.
See. I have a lot, and I mean a LOT to learn. I'm fashioning a balsa wood pitchfork as I type this - and damn- it just snapped!
At least your emotions are not made from balsa.
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...Mr. Quixote.
They tilt...they tilt at windmills.
See. I have a lot, and I mean a LOT to learn. I'm fashioning a balsa wood pitchfork as I type this - and damn- it just snapped!
Well, it wouldn’t be broken if you had a plan. It’s obvious that you’re an educated, pollyanna Giants fan,.
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...Mr. Quixote.
They tilt...they tilt at windmills.
See. I have a lot, and I mean a LOT to learn. I'm fashioning a balsa wood pitchfork as I type this - and damn- it just snapped!
Well, it wouldn’t be broken if you had a plan. It’s obvious that you’re an educated, pollyanna Giants fan,.
Uneducated., not educated, obviously!
I just don't have the acumen to grasp it. I feel like I'm sitting across from Rip Torn eating a pile of shit in "Defending Your Life" and enjoying the taste of it while my feeble mind would think it was horrific to the tastebuds.
Maybe I need a plan. Or maybe some special goggles? I'm thinking the goggles might be easier for me.