NFT: Star Trek: The Captains.

Shatner as Captain Kirk fan.

I did like Patrick Stewart as Capt Picard.

My son thinks Kate Mulgrew as Capt Janeway is it.

You are right, it likely goes as per 1st time you saw the show/iteration.

Is my fav as well.

Picard
Sisko
Janeway
Riker
Lorca (Discovery)
Burnham
Georgiou
Pike (A. Mount)
Archer
Kirk (C. Pine)



Kirk (Shatner)

is sad and feels left out.

In comment 15321058 Giantsfan79 said:

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is sad and feels left out.

There's a YouTuber whose name escapes me now who did a breakdown of "Chain of Command, Parts 1 & 2," and concluded that Jellico was a pretty good Captain, and that Riker acted pretty much like an insubordinate asshole when dealing with him. He made a pretty strong case.

In comment 15321030 section125 said:

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Shatner as Captain Kirk fan. I did like Patrick Stewart as Capt Picard. My son thinks Kate Mulgrew as Capt Janeway is it. You are right, it likely goes as per 1st time you saw the show/iteration.

As a former ship's Captain yourself, I'm sure you can understand and approve of the change in landing party/away team procedures from TOS to TNG (which was writer David Gerrold's idea). The Captain remains on the bridge while his exec leads the away team. Why they then tried to force-feed Picard into the Kirk-like action hero role in later episodes of TNG and into the movies was always a mystery to me. The height of this insanity was the 60+ year old Picard blasting through Reman soldiers like "crap through a goose" in Star Trek: Nemesis.

If you are not wearing a red shirt.

In comment 15321079 Klaatu said:

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In comment 15321030 section125 said: Quote: Shatner as Captain Kirk fan. I did like Patrick Stewart as Capt Picard. My son thinks Kate Mulgrew as Capt Janeway is it. You are right, it likely goes as per 1st time you saw the show/iteration. As a former ship's Captain yourself, I'm sure you can understand and approve of the change in landing party/away team procedures from TOS to TNG (which was writer David Gerrold's idea). The Captain remains on the bridge while his exec leads the away team. Why they then tried to force-feed Picard into the Kirk-like action hero role in later episodes of TNG and into the movies was always a mystery to me. The height of this insanity was the 60+ year old Picard blasting through Reman soldiers like "crap through a goose" in Star Trek: Nemesis.

Funny you say that - even as a kid I wondered why Kirk would take himself and Spock off the ship and either leave Sulu or Scotty in charge. Of course, it was a top heavy TV show so the stars had to go away and get in trouble to build drama.
We, in real life, either have the first officer or chief engineer do those sort of things. You would rarely have the top three put in a "dangerous" situation, although I did like to inspect tanks. But if I went with the chief engineer, the first officer did not go. Somebody has to be there to give commands if the poop hits the fan. Later on, there were procedures set up to be followed on who did what and where they did it.

I think we have to acknowledge that the drama on TV/Movies is different then in real life.

Did you see the Critical Drinker's latest overview of the status of the franchise?

In comment 15321064 Klaatu said:

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There's a YouTuber whose name escapes me now who did a breakdown of "Chain of Command, Parts 1 & 2," and concluded that Jellico was a pretty good Captain, and that Riker acted pretty much like an insubordinate asshole when dealing with him. He made a pretty strong case.

Redlettermedia?
Rich & Mike Like Jellico - ( New Window )

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Did you see the Critical Drinker's latest overview of the status of the franchise?

I see everything Drinker does. He's the best.

In comment 15321139 iMatt said:

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In comment 15321064 Klaatu said: Quote: There's a YouTuber whose name escapes me now who did a breakdown of "Chain of Command, Parts 1 & 2," and concluded that Jellico was a pretty good Captain, and that Riker acted pretty much like an insubordinate asshole when dealing with him. He made a pretty strong case. Redlettermedia? Rich & Mike Like Jellico - ( New Window )

Thanks, Matt, but no, it was Ronan or Rowen-something. Not a channel I subscribe to, just something that popped up in my recommendations. However, I will stash this and watch it later.

I remember that video because Ive often made the same argument to trek fans about that episode

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HA! LOVE IT!!!!

But I'm pretty old school when it comes to Trek. It's easy to make fun of Shatner's ham acting, but Kirk is still my favorite captain, and TOS still my favorite Trek series. People tend to harp on the superficial stuff with Kirk (shagging every female alien in sight, getting his shirt ripped off, etc.) while ignoring his more subtle leadership and personal qualities. Of all the captains, he's the one I could most easily envision captaining a vessel in real life.

The actual content of the shows helped too. The original ST was more of an adventure show with some big sci-fi ideas thrown in, which is more in my wheelhouse. While I admire and respect TN-TNG, I got a little tired over every problem getting solved with a tachyon pulse or a visit to the Holodeck. The less said about the other captains, the better (although I like Sisko too -- DS9 is just a different type of ST show though, so it's hard to compare).

...had the best fitting uniform of anyone who graced the center chair, however.

is a Hollywood fantasy. The Aegis Destroyer Captain in the series 'The Last Ship" did the same schtick. He and the ship's Chief would lead the security teams and mix it up with the bad guys every week.

In comment 15321190 Sneakers O'toole said:

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I remember that video because Ive often made the same argument to trek fans about that episode

No, it wasn't Shives, either. I'm familiar with Shives. Suffice it to say the only thing we agree on is pre-2009 Star Trek.

I thought it might have been this
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has been dealing with Horrible Tinnitus when he was too close to an explosion on set. He is big into Stem Cell therapy for curing his ailments

In comment 15321038 PwndPapi said:

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Picard Sisko Janeway Riker Lorca (Discovery) Burnham Georgiou Pike (A. Mount) Archer Kirk (C. Pine) Kirk (Shatner)

When I think of if I like one of the captains or not, I think of more the character than the actor. So if I like Kirk, I like the character Kirk as presented by both Chris Pine and the Shatz.

How do you have Pike so low? He's great! What a crazy story he has. Good crazy. Not Burnham crazy. I can't wait for the new show!

I like Archer as well, though he's pretty goofy.

Janeway is just terrible! Lorca was cool. In my imagination, Captain Sulu was probably really cool. Captain Garrett of the Enterprise C was good for her little bit. Does Commander Shran count? I'd put him in front of Archer in my list below.

Picard, Pike, Saru, Kirk, Sisko, Archer. Then everyone else in a crowd.

Pickard

big drop



all others anywhere

Watched the show since early 70's and while I love Kirk a ton - Picard was the best.

Interesting to bring up Jellico. His character was incredible fun. I liked his character.

But this dude on analyzing this - imo is way out of line. His reasoning is is at times extremely flawed and at sometimes frankly laughable. I do agree with him Jellico is damn good. But listening to some of his comments it seems his criticism is in a vacuum. No regards for prior episodes/ past history. That all doesn't count apparently.

I just laugh - a but stunned for example when he makes a comment of "whip them into shape . . ."

I can't believe it. He's saying it with a serious face. SO the number 1 spearhead ship for any War - The Enterprise - with some of the crew there for many years. With a 2nd in charge guy that basically saved the world from the Borg. And the number 1 commander in the entire fleet I guess incompetent in his duties for not preparing his ship? And not to mention but I will the number 1 commander, Picard, tried to give him advice but he basically tells Picard to fuck off, --

It's THIS CREW that needs to be "whipped into shape?" Seriously?

With that said Jellico was damn good. But he was flawed that haleped create teh conflcited situation.

In comment 15321594 giantstock said:

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Watched the show since early 70's and while I love Kirk a ton - Picard was the best. Interesting to bring up Jellico. His character was incredible fun. I liked his character. But this dude on analyzing this - imo is way out of line. His reasoning is is at times extremely flawed and at sometimes frankly laughable. I do agree with him Jellico is damn good. But listening to some of his comments it seems his criticism is in a vacuum. No regards for prior episodes/ past history. That all doesn't count apparently. I just laugh - a but stunned for example when he makes a comment of "whip them into shape . . ." I can't believe it. He's saying it with a serious face. SO the number 1 spearhead ship for any War - The Enterprise - with some of the crew there for many years. With a 2nd in charge guy that basically saved the world from the Borg. And the number 1 commander in the entire fleet I guess incompetent in his duties for not preparing his ship? And not to mention but I will the number 1 commander, Picard, tried to give him advice but he basically tells Picard to fuck off, -- It's THIS CREW that needs to be "whipped into shape?" Seriously? With that said Jellico was damn good. But he was flawed that haleped create teh conflcited situation.

Picard 1. Kirk number 2.

Then the rest.

Despite its name, the Enterprise was not a warship. It was a explorer.

Kirk fit in perfectly. Handsome, swashbuckling, and the leader of the exploration. Lewis and Clark did not sit in the boat and let the other guys do the exploring.

In comment 15321631 Marty in Albany said:

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Despite its name, the Enterprise was not a warship. It was a explorer. Kirk fit in perfectly. Handsome, swashbuckling, and the leader of the exploration. Lewis and Clark did not sit in the boat and let the other guys do the exploring.

Marty, Lewis and Clark had a much smaller boat...

In comment 15321631 Marty in Albany said:

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Despite its name, the Enterprise was not a warship. It was a explorer. Kirk fit in perfectly. Handsome, swashbuckling, and the leader of the exploration. Lewis and Clark did not sit in the boat and let the other guys do the exploring.

Has to do with style. Style is more that script.

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In comment 15321121 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Did you see the Critical Drinker's latest overview of the status of the franchise? I see everything Drinker does. He's the best.

that was great! Hadn’t seen his stuff before

But it's buried inside a 90 minute TNG retrospective.


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Thanks for that link.

Similarly, where "my best all time tv characters" intersect with star trek includes Data, Spock, Picard, Saru, Scotty, Kirk. Data and Brent Spiner's portrayal, just blow me away how cool that is.

In comment 15323639 D HOS said:

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Thanks for that link. Similarly, where "my best all time tv characters" intersect with star trek includes Data, Spock, Picard, Saru, Scotty, Kirk. Data and Brent Spiner's portrayal, just blow me away how cool that is.

There's a discussion above regarding Captain Jellico (Ronny Cox) from the TNG episodes "Chain of Command, Parts 1 & 2." Was he unfairly judged, made out to be a martinet, or was he a decent Captain? In the video I linked, the YouTuber makes the case that Jellico was okay, and it was Riker (and others) who were out of line.

In comment 15323686 Klaatu said:

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In comment 15323639 D HOS said: Quote: Thanks for that link. Similarly, where "my best all time tv characters" intersect with star trek includes Data, Spock, Picard, Saru, Scotty, Kirk. Data and Brent Spiner's portrayal, just blow me away how cool that is. There's a discussion above regarding Captain Jellico (Ronny Cox) from the TNG episodes "Chain of Command, Parts 1 & 2." Was he unfairly judged, made out to be a martinet, or was he a decent Captain? In the video I linked, the YouTuber makes the case that Jellico was okay, and it was Riker (and others) who were out of line.

And those ripping Riker while excusing Jellico were wrong.

He saved the Universe from the Borg. He's bene years on the number 1 lead-the-fleet spearhead Starship in case they were ever to go to war. Would have had glowing reviews from arguably the number 1 commander in the fleet - and yet he is going to be treated like 1st year cadet?

Then he gets relieved from a Commander whom he doesn't trust - and the Commander could have chosen many others for the mission but decides to choose Riker to possibly get himself killed and yet you have some people bitching that he told his commander to ask him from a guy who comes out 1st and tells Riker he basically hates his guts - and yet the expectation is not to be a little prickly toward the Commander that relieved him?

so he's always my favorite captain. Make it so