i love this. I know he isnt what he used to be, but he is only 30 and if he can get healthy he is a steal. Much better then any other options we had. If nothing else his upside blows away pretty much any other option we had.
Even as "awful" as he was last year he is a massive upgrade to Payton, lol. Payton to Walker and Bullock to Fournier with a full season of Rose are pretty solid upgrades.
he is two seasons removed from getting a huge contract. He gets a more normal offseason to get healthy. This could be a huge add, and if he sucks, so what we arent paying him 20 mill a year.
he is two seasons removed from getting a huge contract. He gets a more normal offseason to get healthy. This could be a huge add, and if he sucks, so what we arent paying him 20 mill a year.
He’s definitely not old Kemba but I don’t think he’s cooked yet
Doesn’t play defense. Will see how him and Thibs gets along
Friendly reminder that the Knicks led the league in defense last year despite not possessing many good defenders. At any given point the Knicks would maybe have one or two known good defenders on the floor.
Thibs coached teams play defense no matter who’s playing.
I mean, I know he's basically cooked, but I am giddy. I fucking love Kemba.
We don’t know that he’s cooked. He was coming off injury. This might be a steal.
Knee been a problem since early 2020. Not super optimistic that it will be improved at this point in his career. Hopefully they can manage his load until playoff time.
Celtics basically traded a boatload of draft picks
Doesn’t play defense. Will see how him and Thibs gets along
Friendly reminder that the Knicks led the league in defense last year despite not possessing many good defenders. At any given point the Knicks would maybe have one or two known good defenders on the floor.
Thibs coached teams play defense no matter who’s playing.
that's not true. His defenses in Minnesota were all terrible.
And I'd say Reggie/Burks/Noel/Mitch/Randle/RJ/Taj are all average to above average defenders.
last season and had to have his mins managed. The front office is going to have to really get in synch with Thibs when it comes to how much this guy plays this year.
Doesn’t play defense. Will see how him and Thibs gets along
Friendly reminder that the Knicks led the league in defense last year despite not possessing many good defenders. At any given point the Knicks would maybe have one or two known good defenders on the floor.
Thibs coached teams play defense no matter who’s playing.
Agree, but I think they’re going to miss Bullock on defense. He did a really good job against opposing teams top guard/wing every night.
But that ship has sailed...love the Kemba move. If unable to land a legit all star, Kemba seems a low cost/good upside gamble
last season and had to have his mins managed. The front office is going to have to really get in synch with Thibs when it comes to how much this guy plays this year.
So the games Kemba doesn't play, D-Rose will play...and vice-versa. Haha
Can basically have him and Rose split the PG duties (which should keep them both healthy by limiting minutes), and have solid depth behind them with Quickley, Burks, McBride in the event that one of them needs a night off with load management.
Even if they are signing him for the full $8 mil in remaining space we have, it is well worth the risk when considering the potential upside.
but we have a talented roster with depth at every position - and young talent to develop at every position. We've come a long way in a year and a half.
Managing his minutes and back to backs should be easy with our guard depth. I know he isnt all star kemba but we are a much better team now then we were last year. Walker/Fournier vs elf/Bullock is huge. I mean half the year i would have traded bullock for a bag of ball, couldnt even hit the open 3. Yes he got better, but fournier is a large upgrade.
Charlotte felt he had a degenerative condition in the knee - was that not true?
Quote:
On Wednesday afternoon, Boston Celtics All-Star point guard Kemba Walker spoke with the media about his knee for the first time since it was announced that the UConn product will miss the start of the 2020-21 campaign as he allows a stem cell injection and knee strengthening regimen do their work.
The New Yorker was his usual upbeat self, and while he was admittedly not especially well-versed in the technical side of his treatment situation or the problem behind it, the stem cell treatment was a focal point of the questions he fielded.
He got a stem cell treatment at the beginning of the year. Then really couldn't play consistently all season and had to skip games in the playoffs. He's hopeful that a good offseason will help it. Doesn't seem like something I'd bet on happening.
If the knee is good, he's the best PG the Knicks have had in a LONG time. Definitely worth the risk. Link - ( New Window )
who can make his own offense. So sure our D took a bit of a hit, but we took a starting backcourt that couldnt do anything on offense and added to shot creators. Thats huge.
Charlotte felt he had a degenerative condition in the knee - was that not true?
Quote:
On Wednesday afternoon, Boston Celtics All-Star point guard Kemba Walker spoke with the media about his knee for the first time since it was announced that the UConn product will miss the start of the 2020-21 campaign as he allows a stem cell injection and knee strengthening regimen do their work.
The New Yorker was his usual upbeat self, and while he was admittedly not especially well-versed in the technical side of his treatment situation or the problem behind it, the stem cell treatment was a focal point of the questions he fielded.
He got a stem cell treatment at the beginning of the year. Then really couldn't play consistently all season and had to skip games in the playoffs. He's hopeful that a good offseason will help it. Doesn't seem like something I'd bet on happening.
If the knee is good, he's the best PG the Knicks have had in a LONG time. Definitely worth the risk. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for the background. Does sound like it could be a degenerative condition - but the risk is minimal in the signing.
I’m really happy for Kemba that he gets to go back to the northeast and play in his home area on the big stage. Hopefully he gets past the knee issues.
Building a team that would be better, and in the position to make a trade and not have a completely empty roster.
This is def true. They could make a trade including IQ, Obi, Mitch, and a bunch of picks and not really take too big of a hit. Depth gets hurt but you would still have Taj at center grimes/Mcbride at guard, etc... Plus whoever you would trade for would obviously push someone to depth
As mentioned in the other thread, which I mentioned.
1) Knicks don't want to deal RJ, mainly because he is the type of guy that helps build a great culture beyond his talent
2) Knicks want to be an over the cap team next year with flexibility the year after, they are look at 2-3 contracts for players
3) They wanted Kemba 2 years ago, he has the most upside if healthy to be a difference maker and with the team depth if he misses games, it is ok.
4) Thibs is aware of the defensive liabilities of some of his players, which is why resigning Noel was very important to him as a rim protector.
5) Nothing has changed as the Knicks still have the assets and ability to make a trade for the next disgruntled star and flexibility to have cap space for when Zion, Towns and Booker could be free agents. See #1 for the Zion motivation with RJ as well.
Take all of this for what is worth, but stuff I have heard from writer friends.
In EACH of his last five seasons, Kemba Walker has averaged more than 19 points, more than 4 assists and 3+ made 3-pointers per game.
In the 75-year history of the New York Knicks franchise, no PG has EVER averaged at least 19 points, 4 dimes and 3 treys in ANY single season.
gotta love Tommy and his super specific minimums, lol
Of course barely anybody in the league was making 3 threes a game until about 15 years ago. You can probably just go with how many Knick point guards have averaged more than 19 points a game and leave it at that. It's gotta be a very short list. Probably Clyde and.....?
Tough to see where Vildoza fits at this point. He’s no higher than 4th on the PG depth chart (Walker/Rose/IQ) and at SG (Fournier/IQ/Burks)and that doesn’t even include McBride or Grimes or Barrett playing some 2 or even shitty Knox
Tough to see where Vildoza fits at this point. He’s no higher than 4th on the PG depth chart (Walker/Rose/IQ) and at SG (Fournier/IQ/Burks)and that doesn’t even include McBride or Grimes or Barrett playing some 2 or even shitty Knox
He's not helped himself in the Olympics, really, either.
for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
"Whats the plan why wasn't everything fixed on the first day of FA?!"
but man I want to see these young guys grow with the team. I mean shit, I can't remember the last time I was this excited about the SECOND line: Rose-Quickley-Burks-Toppin-Noel
for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
RE: RE: man id love to swing a deal involving Mitch..
for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
What little I've read doesn't seem like Indy wants to send Turner away.
RE: RE: RE: man id love to swing a deal involving Mitch..
for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
What little I've read doesn't seem like Indy wants to send Turner away.
There's a lot of mixed messaging. Apparently they like Sabonis at the 5 and tried to give Turner away for Hayward, but they still value him.
Not sure if Obi + gets it done for the Knicks.
RE: RE: man id love to swing a deal involving Mitch..
for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
Yeah actually im not sure we can make it work salary wise anymore.
for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Turner makes $18 million per. I don't think we have the salaries to send out to match. Mitch/Luca/Knox only gets you to like $11 million.
that gets you close enough. But I don't know what I'm willing to trade Obi/Mitch for Turner. He's obviously an upgrade at the 5 - but I don't know that it moves the needle enough to make the sacrifice worth it.
but this is about as good an offseason that didn't see the Knicks land a HOFer or two or build a big three OR manage to sneak their way into the top 3 of the draft without liquifying the entire roster. And we all know each of these scenarios was all but impossible, so we added a good in his prime SG that excels at 3% shooting and we upgraded the PG position. I don't think Walker was any less a risk/reward than the FAs out there, outside of Paul, and we likely pay Walker nothing that impacts 2022 cap space.
I have no problems with this off-season now. I don't know how anyone could. Knicks obviously did their homework and took the best route to improving the team while being smart or at least careful.
that gets you close enough. But I don't know what I'm willing to trade Obi/Mitch for Turner. He's obviously an upgrade at the 5 - but I don't know that it moves the needle enough to make the sacrifice worth it.
I'd probably need a pick or two back if I was trading both Obi and Mitch.
but maybe in separate deals. Id def think about trading obi for turner, but you cant have Turner, Mitch, Noel, and Taj so you would need another deal lined up for mitch.
We are in fine shape. I am excited for the coming season and not scared of the seasons to come after that. All one can really ask for.
Also, the best part might be that we still have all those 2nd and 3rd year players coming back. God forbid Obi, IQ and RJB and Mitch actually take steps forward one more time. It does happen, especially with good coaching in place.
Actually do this with McBride, Sims and Grimes if they are buried early on. Thibs said this last year but they didn’t actually do it
“I think game-time is important,’’ Thibodeau said. “So if a young player is not getting the appropriate amount of time to develop, we’ll utilize the G-League. That’s become an important part of our league. We’ll certainly take advantage of that.’’
Actually do this with McBride, Sims and Grimes if they are buried early on. Thibs said this last year but they didn’t actually do it
“I think game-time is important,’’ Thibodeau said. “So if a young player is not getting the appropriate amount of time to develop, we’ll utilize the G-League. That’s become an important part of our league. We’ll certainly take advantage of that.’’
Need to do this. Develop those guys because if they make a big trade they'll either be part of it or be in the new Knicks rotation.
but we have a talented roster with depth at every position - and young talent to develop at every position. We've come a long way in a year and a half.
Yep exactly. Room to grow and a fun team to watch. I think they win 50 games. they will be more the team from last year's second half than first half.
RE: RE: Best Knicks point guard situation since...
what does this make - 13 guaranteed contracts?
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
what does this make - 13 guaranteed contracts?
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
According to Begley, the Burks and Noel deals are not guaranteed in the 3rd year. Fournier not guaranteed in the 4th year.
I'll admit I'm a bigger fan of his than many, and he did struggle last year, but maybe another off-season helps the knee heal. When healthy, he is a terrific scorer. On a minimum or near-minimum deal, this is a really strong signing.
what does this make - 13 guaranteed contracts?
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
According to Begley, the Burks and Noel deals are not guaranteed in the 3rd year. Fournier not guaranteed in the 4th year.
Are you 100% sure on this? Others have said the wording said not fully guaranteed. That's a big difference.
Can't say I'm sure. Just going by the SNY article.
I'll admit I'm a bigger fan of his than many, and he did struggle last year, but maybe another off-season helps the knee heal. When healthy, he is a terrific scorer. On a minimum or near-minimum deal, this is a really strong signing.
I love his potential especially paired with Noel on clean up duty. That assumes health of course, but his ability to drive and create opportunities in the paint is special.
what does this make - 13 guaranteed contracts?
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
According to Begley, the Burks and Noel deals are not guaranteed in the 3rd year. Fournier not guaranteed in the 4th year.
Unless Begley changed his time he said they are not “fully guaranteed” not that they are not guaranteed. Fournier’s option is in fact a team option
Not a Knox guy at all. But good on him to realize his career is fading fast and requesting to play summer ball. Not inconceivable he turns it around and adds value. Tough with his poor defense but who knows?
And the Knicks.
Kemba needs days off to keep the Knee healthy but when he is on the court he is all out and fringe all-star.
The knee is a time bomb from the rumors from Boston and that's why they wanted out.
But with Rose, McBride and Quickley there are plenty of rest for Kemba
2009: Chris Duhon
2010: Ray Felton
2011: Toney Douglas
2012: Ray Felton
2013: Pablo Prigioni
2014: Shane Larkin
2015: Jose Calderon
2016: Derrick Rose
2017: Ramon Sessions
2018: Trey Burke
2019: Allonzo Trier
2020: Elfrid Payton
2009: Chris Duhon
2010: Ray Felton
2011: Toney Douglas
2012: Ray Felton
2013: Pablo Prigioni
2014: Shane Larkin
2015: Jose Calderon
2016: Derrick Rose
2017: Ramon Sessions
2018: Trey Burke
2019: Allonzo Trier
2020: Elfrid Payton
Larkin actually went to Europe and became a very good player.... small hands and all lol
and Sims should put on a show dunk wise. Sims might be the most impressive leaper I've ever seen at 6'10, not even kidding.
Being honest, he looks more explosive athletically than Mitch.
His footwork on defense and his ability to shadow 1 on 1 is impressive.
There is a reason he was available at 58 but his leaping/foot work on defense are really, really impressive. I'd go as far as to say if the Knicks can't develop him into at least a rotation big, that's a bit of a fail. He's 6'10 240, can jump out of the gym, can shift his feet like a guy much, much smaller. The basket looks less than 10 feet at times. Link - ( New Window )
I love Kemba as a UConn fan but this probably will end up as a move that fizzles due to injury. We shall see.
SGA just signed a contract for 200M, Knox better be motivated. What a miss.
So no Dame? All that rationalization for nothing? Just get the best players, period. Draft well and we don’t need to trade 12 picks for someone else’s players.
and Sims should put on a show dunk wise. Sims might be the most impressive leaper I've ever seen at 6'10, not even kidding.
Being honest, he looks more explosive athletically than Mitch.
His footwork on defense and his ability to shadow 1 on 1 is impressive.
There is a reason he was available at 58 but his leaping/foot work on defense are really, really impressive. I'd go as far as to say if the Knicks can't develop him into at least a rotation big, that's a bit of a fail. He's 6'10 240, can jump out of the gym, can shift his feet like a guy much, much smaller. The basket looks less than 10 feet at times. Link - ( New Window )
He's also very efficient on the offensive end which tells me he plays smart, knows his limitations, and is able to convert when he takes his chances.
"Not much, probably. This was one last bang to this offseason. The Knicks are almost out of roster spots — depending on what kind of contract McBride signs and whether they keep Vildoza under contract — and almost out of money. They still have their $4.9 million room exception, so they can use it to sign someone. The Knicks still need more wings, so we’ll see if they keep searching for one."
RE: Is Baron Davis still alive? Can we get him too?
I love Kemba as a UConn fan but this probably will end up as a move that fizzles due to injury. We shall see.
SGA just signed a contract for 200M, Knox better be motivated. What a miss.
So no Dame? All that rationalization for nothing? Just get the best players, period. Draft well and we don’t need to trade 12 picks for someone else’s players.
Baron Davis is pushing 300 pounds (video of him balling came out last week or the week before). He's big into the film industry now (he's directed a movie etc). I know you were kidding when asking, just a legit update lol
"Not much, probably. This was one last bang to this offseason. The Knicks are almost out of roster spots — depending on what kind of contract McBride signs and whether they keep Vildoza under contract — and almost out of money. They still have their $4.9 million room exception, so they can use it to sign someone. The Knicks still need more wings, so we’ll see if they keep searching for one."
Could definitely see Knox out going in a sign and trade for a wing. maybe they feed him the ball to try and raise his value next week in Vegas lol.
I love Kemba as a UConn fan but this probably will end up as a move that fizzles due to injury. We shall see.
SGA just signed a contract for 200M, Knox better be motivated. What a miss.
So no Dame? All that rationalization for nothing? Just get the best players, period. Draft well and we don’t need to trade 12 picks for someone else’s players.
Baron Davis is pushing 300 pounds (video of him balling came out last week or the week before). He's big into the film industry now (he's directed a movie etc). I know you were kidding when asking, just a legit update lol
And interestingly was in a relationship with actress Laura Dern. Always been kind of a fascinating guy too bad he was definitely cooked when we got our hands on him.
Has no chance of getting minutes. If I were him I would try bulk up a bit to become a small power forward, not sure that SF is in his future. The kid can shoot though. I actually think OKC would be a great fit they can probably give him 25-30 pressure free minutes per night
and Sims should put on a show dunk wise. Sims might be the most impressive leaper I've ever seen at 6'10, not even kidding.
I loved that draft night highlight they showed where he banged his forehead on the rim during some sort of dunk contest lol. He walked away rubbing it. The dude definitely has hops.
Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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One note here: Room exception contracts are limited to 2 years, as are min. contracts signed once a team is over the cap. Essentially, if the Knicks want to sign Deuce McBride for more than 2 years, they must do so out of cap space BEFORE they give all their remaining $$ to Kemba
Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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One note here: Room exception contracts are limited to 2 years, as are min. contracts signed once a team is over the cap. Essentially, if the Knicks want to sign Deuce McBride for more than 2 years, they must do so out of cap space BEFORE they give all their remaining $$ to Kemba
Well this is certainly one reason to waive Vildoza
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Hawks, Miami, Improved Bulls team, Pacers, Boston... not looking to debate where the Knicks fall but hard to envision them being a top 4 seed this year.
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Hawks, Miami, Improved Bulls team, Pacers, Boston... not looking to debate where the Knicks fall but hard to envision them being a top 4 seed this year.
Wasn't suggesting I'd take all of these teams over the Knicks, just listing "good" teams.
—takes up very little cap space
—maintains all the picks and young players for a major deal
—Rose should not play more than 20-25 minutes per night and same for Walker. Great sharing opportunity.
—brings another player who can create their own shot
—Kemba is one of the most liked and respected voices in the entire league
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Hawks, Miami, Improved Bulls team, Pacers, Boston... not looking to debate where the Knicks fall but hard to envision them being a top 4 seed this year.
Yep, I think we can say with certainty that the forecast looks bleak for NYK to be above: Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Hawks, Heat
For the others:
Celtics: Tatum and Brown are terrific but I see little else there to suggest their arrow is pointing up.
Bulls: Much needs to shake out w the expected Markaanan trade. Lavine, Ball and Derozan are a nice threesome that likely has good on-court chemistry. Vucevic is always among the top BIGs. They are probably the 6th best East team.
Indiana is a total mystery. I see no reason why they should be slated above NYK.
Charlotte is no doubt a very watchable team. I'd still rank NYK over them.
Indiana's problem last year was injury and coaching.
i mean embiid is amazing, but if simmons is a mess is that team really that talented? Tobias is solid, Seth curry i guess. Just seems when you are looking around the east some of these teams just look much more talented.
Now trade mitch, obi, knox and vildoza for Turner 😉
Eww. Tuner aint that good, i mean he's probably worth that, but not sure that's a gamble worth taking. I am at the point now where I only want to deal assets for a super star. Guys like Turner are somewhat fungible, fully aware he's a stretch rim protector.
but did they really improve? unless trae has another level and if he does good lord, but i dont think they added anything this offseason..
they were never really healthy for much of last season. If they only get better injury luck their regular season record will be better. And several rotation pieces are still young enough that it's reasonable to assume they'll improve.
but did they really improve? unless trae has another level and if he does good lord, but i dont think they added anything this offseason..
Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper are solid additions and they clearly were a different team once McMillen took over. They are better than the Knicks until proven otherwise.
Check out the splits from before and after the hawks fired the coach
but did they really improve? unless trae has another level and if he does good lord, but i dont think they added anything this offseason..
they were never really healthy for much of last season. If they only get better injury luck their regular season record will be better. And several rotation pieces are still young enough that it's reasonable to assume they'll improve.
yeah what i am saying is was what we saw in the playoffs their ceiling?
Huerter really played well in the playoffs, Bogdanavich was very good but is already 29, Gallo is older, Collins i guess can improve, Capela is what he is, Lou williams is probably gone,
Hunter is the guy that adds another dimension to them if he is healthy
but did they really improve? unless trae has another level and if he does good lord, but i dont think they added anything this offseason..
Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper are solid additions and they clearly were a different team once McMillen took over. They are better than the Knicks until proven otherwise.
i am not saying they arent, just think what we saw in the playoffs is what their ceiling is
Not willing to trade mitch and Obi for tuner. Let’s run with Mitch and hope he stays healthy. Defensive stats with him on the floor are really good and he should be able to get 12 pts a night rather easily.
I could see Trae being impacted by the unnatural shooting motion
its so dumb. Been nice to see it not called in the olympics (for the little ive seen with the time diff). Its funny that the international game is now the more physical game. NBA has really over corrected, its absurd. I know they think exciting means the games have to be 125-120.
Not willing to trade mitch and Obi for tuner. Let’s run with Mitch and hope he stays healthy. Defensive stats with him on the floor are really good and he should be able to get 12 pts a night rather easily.
I know Mitch has put on some weight & gotten stronger,but can he handle centers like Capela. Capela ate up Noel & threw him around like a rag doll in the playoffs,it was why Gibson saw so much time.I'm willing to wait & see, but I would do Mitch for Turner & include extras,but not Obi!
McDonough (no clue how reliable he is) claims Rose/Burks/Noel's 3rd years are options, not "partial guarantees" and that Walker's deal is 2 years. Again, not sure how reliable he is.
The Rose/Burks/Noel thing is somewhat in line with the Begley
. Begley said "not fully guaranteed" aka some guaranteed money.
"All of the contracts agreed to on Monday were not fully guaranteed in the final season, SNY has learned (immediately after the Burks deal was agreed upon, SNY reported that it would be fully guaranteed. We regret the error)."
That's substantially different than 2 years plus 3rd year options aka clear after 2 years if they choose to be.
A team option in year 3 means it's not fully guaranteed.
Might be semantics but "not fully guaranteed" seems specifically phrased that way vs. "The Knicks hold a team option". A team option isn't guaranteed at all.
"Randle joined the Knicks two years ago on a three-year, $63MM contract that carried just a $4MM guarantee for 2021/22. His game blossomed in New York, especially under new coach Tom Thibodeau, as he averaged 24.1 points, 10.2 rebounds and 6.0 assists per night while leading the team to the No. 4 seed in the East."
enough it's being reported Baynes had to be waived by tomorrow of his contract would be guaranteed.
The Toronto Raptors are exploring the trade market for center Aron Baynes, HoopsHype has learned. Baynes currently has a $7.35 million non-guaranteed million salary for the upcoming season, as noted on our Raptors salary page. That salary becomes fully guaranteed if he’s not waived by August 5, so keep an eye on Baynes being traded or waived by then.
Zach Lowe
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Can confirm the team option part of this in the final years of the Burks, Noel, Rose, and Fournier deals, per league sources. My understanding is they are straight team options -- either declined or fully guaranteed upon being picked up.
came into the league at 26 and didn't play much early on. Still, he was a good big as recently as 2020. Not for the Knicks but somebody will pick him up... at that age... Lakers lol
McDonough (no clue how reliable he is) claims Rose/Burks/Noel's 3rd years are options, not "partial guarantees" and that Walker's deal is 2 years. Again, not sure how reliable he is.
He's the former GM of the Suns. He's an analyst on NBATV. I think he's legit.
Ryan McDonough
@McDNBA
Kemba Walker will sign a 2 year contract with the Knicks in the $8-9 million range, per league sources.
New York also has Team Options for the final seasons on the Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel and Derrick Rose contracts (in addition to Evan Fournier’s, as was previously reported)
writes up the DeRozan move (hates it) but then has to zing the Knicks in the process lol.. Twice!
"That is until the Bulls made a deal for DeMar DeRozan. This was the moment we’d been waiting for, and while we were staring expectantly at the Knicks and Kangz to entertain us, it instead was the Bulls who came out of left field and surprised us."
" The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years."
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Can confirm the team option part of this in the final years of the Burks, Noel, Rose, and Fournier deals, per league sources. My understanding is they are straight team options -- either declined or fully guaranteed upon being picked up.
that helps if you want to include them in a trade next year.
Based on all the critiques of the Knicks offseason from 24 hrs ago, sure seems like the recent news of Kemba and TOs for the last years means a lot of people should be praising what they did.
Also goes to show instant reactions age super poorly - not even the Kemba thing which is new news, but people analyzing the Noel/Rose/Burks/Fournier signings without even knowing the details of the contracts.
Had a solid offseason. This doesn't have to be an arms race for stars. We have a nice stable of young players and older vets. Develop the youth, keep cap flexibility, and acquire assets.
and now go into next offseason with several "expiring" deals on useful, if unspectacular, players, with the additional benefit of a team option on the back end. and a stash of picks.
We'd all love to add a true #1 star. but I really can't complain.
so we signed 3 productive players to 2/20 mill deals. Seems pretty damn good to me. Keep the contracts short and you can make max money if by chance some star actually does hit FA.
that these were 2+1 team options today goes to show how tight-lipped this FO is. Pretty cool.
Could be somewhat strategic. Agents/players get to float these semi-inflated numbers for 24-48 hours and grab the headlines. Then the real details slowly leak as footnotes.
I bet it buys some goodwill from the agencies dealing with the FO.
writes up the DeRozan move (hates it) but then has to zing the Knicks in the process lol.. Twice!
"That is until the Bulls made a deal for DeMar DeRozan. This was the moment we’d been waiting for, and while we were staring expectantly at the Knicks and Kangz to entertain us, it instead was the Bulls who came out of left field and surprised us."
" The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years."
Fuck these assholes who only want to talk shit and don't provide any real context. Ok fine, 6th seed, never mind that if the KNicks don't spend any money they would likely field a team incapable of making the playoffs. I guess that's fine. Also, let's ignore that the Knicks can pretty make any trade they want and are free of most if not all deals after these next 2 years.
It's all bullshit. Contracts can be traded. But let's continue to act like the Knicks just over paid for dead weight that won't be moveable.
At some point many of these writers and fans decided it's better to be terrible than to be good. Give me a break.
Wow I feel a LOT better about the Knicks offseason
only move I don't like, and we'll see down the road was trading 19 for a future (heavily protected pick). I still maintain that was getting too cutesy and a player they picked at 19 could have helped this team (or been a valuable chip) just as a future pick might be (teams throw around picks pretty freely right now) but that's the only "huh?" or bone of contention I have.
only move I don't like, and we'll see down the road was trading 19 for a future (heavily protected pick). I still maintain that was getting too cutesy and a player they picked at 19 could have helped this team (or been a valuable chip) just as a future pick might be (teams throw around picks pretty freely right now) but that's the only "huh?" or bone of contention I have.
And said Mavs want bullock sign and trade so they can use their MLE to sign someone else. How about this:
Reggie bullock to Mavs. Mavs make the 2023 pick unprotected.
I don’t see why that would matter. Luka and Cuban are always going to go all in so the chance they end up in the lottery in 2023 is slim to none. Unless Luka gets injured and misses the entire season, lol
Look at golden state Warriors they have been in the lottery the last 2 years including a top 3 pick two years ago. Lots can happen between now and 2023, also that could be the first year where high school kids could be drafted a late lottery pick could be huge.
I think that would a great move by Knicks if they unprotected oick
Honestly the ability to free up future picks for trading might be more advantageous for the Mavs than the Knicks given the low likelihood its a better pick than 20 something.
Honestly the ability to free up future picks for trading might be more advantageous for the Mavs than the Knicks given the low likelihood its a better pick than 20 something.
Very good point. Because you know they will want to move some picks to get more help for Luka. It’s probably being too hopeful but I can see Dallas lifting the protections for Bullock.
Based on what we saw this unit do toward the end of the regular season, and if IQ and Obi can take another step up, this is honestly one of the best 2nd units in the entire NBA. This was always overshadowed by the fact that Payton kept getting us into deep holes to start games that Rose then had to dig us out of, and yet somehow we were still 24-11 with Rose playing. Payton was something like -70 during that one stretch when we went 12-1. Think about that. He was our starting PG. I think a lot of people are underestimating the value of having a lethal 2nd unit in the NBA. Everyone just focuses on the starting 5, trading 4 quarters for a dollars, having super teams of 3 dudes at a time with vet min players filled in elsewhere, but I think having a solid starting unit with a lethal 2nd unit off the bench can WIN GAMES. Looking forward to seeing what having a competent real starting PG taking Payton's minutes will do for this team. We're all assuming they're gonna take a step back this year, but for the fans who watched every game last year: how many of us said "damn if only we could have a legit starting PG to take Payton's awful minutes." Now we certainly have that. Let's see what happens!
Based on what we saw this unit do toward the end of the regular season, and if IQ and Obi can take another step up, this is honestly one of the best 2nd units in the entire NBA. This was always overshadowed by the fact that Payton kept getting us into deep holes to start games that Rose then had to dig us out of, and yet somehow we were still 24-11 with Rose playing. Payton was something like -70 during that one stretch when we went 12-1. Think about that. He was our starting PG. I think a lot of people are underestimating the value of having a lethal 2nd unit in the NBA. Everyone just focuses on the starting 5, trading 4 quarters for a dollars, having super teams of 3 dudes at a time with vet min players filled in elsewhere, but I think having a solid starting unit with a lethal 2nd unit off the bench can WIN GAMES. Looking forward to seeing what having a competent real starting PG taking Payton's minutes will do for this team. We're all assuming they're gonna take a step back this year, but for the fans who watched every game last year: how many of us said "damn if only we could have a legit starting PG to take Payton's awful minutes." Now we certainly have that. Let's see what happens!
Just need JR to be the same guy.
And if RJ takes another leap combined with the better cast around him...
Saw this reminder on reddit and it's worth repeating:
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Chicago & Oklahoma City are two names that I’ve heard connected to trade. BKN most recently requested Deni Avdija + future 1st/2nd round picks from WAS — WAS rebuffed the offer. Hearing Dinwiddie WILL be a Wizard, the avenue is just complicated.
all that to pay a 28 year old with one good year coming off a serious injury 20 mill a year. The wiz always make one or two weird moves (swapping oubre for Ariza, paying bertans a billion dollars, etc..)
Hopefully Kemba is healthy and gives the MSG fans a couple of fun years.
It seems like Knicks fans aren’t that high on RJ but I think he has a lot of potential especially if that 3pt shooting isn’t a one year mirage. I could easily see him ending up being a better player than Brandon Ingram, another Duke SF taken near the top of the draft. If he takes a leap to All-Star caliber in the next couple years, this Knicks team will be a tough out for anyone in a series.
The Knicks are a better team on paper because Fournier is better than
Bullock and Kemba, even with knee problems, is better than Payton. In addition, there may be some significant player improvement particularly in last year's rookies. I'm optimistic about holding on to our 4 seed in the playoffs because of these things and because we'll have Rose all season.
RE: The Knicks are a better team on paper because Fournier is better than
Bullock and Kemba, even with knee problems, is better than Payton. In addition, there may be some significant player improvement particularly in last year's rookies. I'm optimistic about holding on to our 4 seed in the playoffs because of these things and because we'll have Rose all season.
Very hard to see that being the case.
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Miami, Hawks, Bulls, Pacers. Can't see the Knicks being better than all but 3 of those teams. Bucks, Nets, Sixers seem like moral locks to be better. It's possible but I'd be very surprised if the Knicks are better than all of the Heat, Hawks, Bulls and Pacers. Some? Sure. Atlanta just destroyed the Knicks, on paper they get the nod over the Knicks until proven otherwise.
i don't know if we'll be a 4 seed or a six seed or the 8seed because the east is really good now. but what i do know is that we're really gonna compete with everyone outside Brooklyn and the Bucks. we can play with them all. we have a fun team who plays really hard. we have a bunch of young guys developing. we are officially light years away from where we were two years ago and that's pretty awesome.
RE: RE: The Knicks are a better team on paper because Fournier is better than
Bullock and Kemba, even with knee problems, is better than Payton. In addition, there may be some significant player improvement particularly in last year's rookies. I'm optimistic about holding on to our 4 seed in the playoffs because of these things and because we'll have Rose all season.
Very hard to see that being the case.
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Miami, Hawks, Bulls, Pacers. Can't see the Knicks being better than all but 3 of those teams. Bucks, Nets, Sixers seem like moral locks to be better. It's possible but I'd be very surprised if the Knicks are better than all of the Heat, Hawks, Bulls and Pacers. Some? Sure. Atlanta just destroyed the Knicks, on paper they get the nod over the Knicks until proven otherwise.
Hopefully Kemba is healthy and gives the MSG fans a couple of fun years.
It seems like Knicks fans aren’t that high on RJ but I think he has a lot of potential especially if that 3pt shooting isn’t a one year mirage. I could easily see him ending up being a better player than Brandon Ingram, another Duke SF taken near the top of the draft. If he takes a leap to All-Star caliber in the next couple years, this Knicks team will be a tough out for anyone in a series.
I'm super high on RJ. RN I think his ceiling is better-shooting Jimmy Butler. Which is a (bottom of the) top-10 player in the league, although probably not a #1 on a championship team. If he turns into that I will be ecstatic. Even the player he is now is very valuable.
like RJ a lot but I'm strongly betting against him being as good or better than Jimmy Butler. Arguably one of the most underrated players over the last 10-20 seasons.
like RJ a lot but I'm strongly betting against him being as good or better than Jimmy Butler. Arguably one of the most underrated players over the last 10-20 seasons.
Perhaps I didn't emphasize enough that I see that as his ceiling. I would not bet on him getting there, but I am hopeful, if that makes sense (probably not).
what more can you ask other than gradual improvement?
Adding the rookies and Kemba and Fournier their upside is a team that can win a playoff series, I'm not going to get greedy and say that wouldn't be fantastic.
Do I think they are anywhere close to a title? No not really. But at least I know they aren't going to be a pile of crap next year, which as a Knicks fan is a great feeling
some, I expect the Lakers to be really, really good despite their age but their season will come down to the health of AD and Lebron... Lebron has been unbelievably healthy for the most part (until his ankle this year) AD quite the opposite. I think the Nets are the favorites coming into the season but we shall see what happens.
is pulling with the US men's basketball games at the olympics. Have to admit I was interested in watching late tonight vs the Aussies but its only on their shitty streaming service like the other games. Unreal. Yea I'm gonna pay so I can watch 14 year old re-runs of their shitty shows.
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The Wizards are sending a second-round pick and a draft swap to Brooklyn to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie, pairing All-NBA star Bradley Beal and Dinwiddie in the Washington backcourt, sources said.
All of the Knicks deals are two years with team options
Bobby Marks
@BobbyMarks42
Here is what the 5 teamer looks like
To WASH
Kuzma
KCP
Harrell
Dinwiddie
A. Holiday
Rights to I. Todd (#31)
To LAL
Westbook
To BKN
2024 2nd
2025 2nd (right to swap with GSW or WAS)
$11.5M Trade Exception
To IND
Rights to I. Jackson (#22)
To SAS
C. Hutchison
2022 2nd (WAS)
I wonder if Isaiah Jackson going to Indy makes it even more likely that Myles Turner gets traded. And if he does the Knicks have been rumored to be one of the more likely teams to trade for him.
If the knicks can manage the minutes for Rose, Walker and some of the older players during the regular season and still make the playoffs, then they can rely on them a little more come playoff time. Maybe they can make a (little) bit of noise.
that simple for me. Agree that Bron will be good to go until further notice...
Sooner or later, Father Time has to catch up with him. I know he keeps himself in tremendous shape, but the mileage...he does save some of his reserves for big games. His defense has slipped in last few seasons too.
Weren’t shit through their first 3-4 years in the league.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
that simple for me. Agree that Bron will be good to go until further notice...
Sooner or later, Father Time has to catch up with him. I know he keeps himself in tremendous shape, but the mileage...he does save some of his reserves for big games. His defense has slipped in last few seasons too.
Yeah I agree, I think he has 2-3 more years of being elite though. He wants to make it to play with Bronny.
i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
They knew Kemba would get bought out Monday and had made an under the table offer to Nunn before the QO was pulled and got a no then and pivoted to Kemba
i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lakers have baaically a 1 year window
i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
RE: Who/what would you guys give up for Myles Turner
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
RE: RE: Who/what would you guys give up for Myles Turner
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
RE: RE: RE: Who/what would you guys give up for Myles Turner
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
You're right. It would have to be Noel instead of Mitch (or Burks-- would obviously prefer to give up Noel if we're getting Turner, so again would likely have to be a 3 team trade of sorts). And in that case would have to give up 2 firsts I would think (along with Luca and Knox).
By the way-- I think that 90 day moratorium thing on not being able to trade guys you just signed (i.e. Burks and Noel) is only valid on new acquisitions-- I think it doesn't apply to Burks and Noel because they stayed w/ the Knicks. I just learned that last night. Could be wrong though.
Could we sign Mitch to an extension and then trade him? His base would go up significantly and then the price tag would be more balanced so it could probably be like Mitch and one of Knox/Luca plus a pick.
I think Vildoza will stick along with at least one rookie.
I think the third group of five will be Taj-Sims-Knox-Grimes-Vildoza. My guess is McBride and Simms go to the G-League, while Grimes and Sims stay with the big team. Grimes may get some occasional burn and Sims has Taj mentoring him. McBride and Simms get PT at Westchester, with the possibility that McBride replaces Vildoza later in the season.
Weren’t shit through their first 3-4 years in the league.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
By his second season in the league, Butler was delivering 7+ win shares.
Kawhi posted 5.5 WS as a rookie, 6.2 in his second year, and other than the year that he forced himself out of SA, he hasn't represented fewer than 7.7 win shares.
Barrett is absolutely on the upswing, but he's nowhere near where either of these guys were after their first two years in the league.
That game-winning shot against Pitt? Epic.
Even as "awful" as he was last year he is a massive upgrade to Payton, lol. Payton to Walker and Bullock to Fournier with a full season of Rose are pretty solid upgrades.
IM COMING HOME, IM COMING HOME, TELL THE WORLD IM COMING HOME
We don’t know that he’s cooked. He was coming off injury. This might be a steal.
Thibs gets along quite well with Rose. They’re about on the same level defensively
or we're paying him with our cap room and the buyout with OKC is for less than amount.
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Kemba at the Garden is special to me. Not a Knicks fan but I’m definitely going to watch Knick games to see him play.
That game-winning shot against Pitt? Epic.
Yes and the BET as a whole in 2011 he averaged 26 ppg.
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel
He’s definitely not old Kemba but I don’t think he’s cooked yet
Friendly reminder that the Knicks led the league in defense last year despite not possessing many good defenders. At any given point the Knicks would maybe have one or two known good defenders on the floor.
Thibs coached teams play defense no matter who’s playing.
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I mean, I know he's basically cooked, but I am giddy. I fucking love Kemba.
We don’t know that he’s cooked. He was coming off injury. This might be a steal.
Knee been a problem since early 2020. Not super optimistic that it will be improved at this point in his career. Hopefully they can manage his load until playoff time.
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Doesn’t play defense. Will see how him and Thibs gets along
Friendly reminder that the Knicks led the league in defense last year despite not possessing many good defenders. At any given point the Knicks would maybe have one or two known good defenders on the floor.
Thibs coached teams play defense no matter who’s playing.
that's not true. His defenses in Minnesota were all terrible.
And I'd say Reggie/Burks/Noel/Mitch/Randle/RJ/Taj are all average to above average defenders.
All 8 to Walker per Fischer
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Doesn’t play defense. Will see how him and Thibs gets along
Friendly reminder that the Knicks led the league in defense last year despite not possessing many good defenders. At any given point the Knicks would maybe have one or two known good defenders on the floor.
Thibs coached teams play defense no matter who’s playing.
Agree, but I think they’re going to miss Bullock on defense. He did a really good job against opposing teams top guard/wing every night.
But that ship has sailed...love the Kemba move. If unable to land a legit all star, Kemba seems a low cost/good upside gamble
So the games Kemba doesn't play, D-Rose will play...and vice-versa. Haha
Even if they are signing him for the full $8 mil in remaining space we have, it is well worth the risk when considering the potential upside.
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All 8 to Walker per Fischer
yeah jist saw that
I'm asuming he gave OKC a discount on the buyout because of the new Knick money. But that's still a lot of dead cap money for two years.
Managing his minutes and back to backs should be easy with our guard depth. I know he isnt all star kemba but we are a much better team now then we were last year. Walker/Fournier vs elf/Bullock is huge. I mean half the year i would have traded bullock for a bag of ball, couldnt even hit the open 3. Yes he got better, but fournier is a large upgrade.
The New Yorker was his usual upbeat self, and while he was admittedly not especially well-versed in the technical side of his treatment situation or the problem behind it, the stem cell treatment was a focal point of the questions he fielded.
He got a stem cell treatment at the beginning of the year. Then really couldn't play consistently all season and had to skip games in the playoffs. He's hopeful that a good offseason will help it. Doesn't seem like something I'd bet on happening.
If the knee is good, he's the best PG the Knicks have had in a LONG time. Definitely worth the risk.
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Hopefully a more normal offseason and schedule next year will help Kemba.
Rod Strickland and Mark Jackson lol
I'm asuming he gave OKC a discount on the buyout because of the new Knick money. But that's still a lot of dead cap money for two years.
I’d assume they’ll be an exhibit 3 clause wiping that money out if the knee gets hurt again
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On Wednesday afternoon, Boston Celtics All-Star point guard Kemba Walker spoke with the media about his knee for the first time since it was announced that the UConn product will miss the start of the 2020-21 campaign as he allows a stem cell injection and knee strengthening regimen do their work.
The New Yorker was his usual upbeat self, and while he was admittedly not especially well-versed in the technical side of his treatment situation or the problem behind it, the stem cell treatment was a focal point of the questions he fielded.
He got a stem cell treatment at the beginning of the year. Then really couldn't play consistently all season and had to skip games in the playoffs. He's hopeful that a good offseason will help it. Doesn't seem like something I'd bet on happening.
If the knee is good, he's the best PG the Knicks have had in a LONG time. Definitely worth the risk. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for the background. Does sound like it could be a degenerative condition - but the risk is minimal in the signing.
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Rod Strickland and Mark Jackson lol
If Kemba is healthy, this is correct - excluding Linsanity of course.
Kemba won't need to be a 35+ MPG player anymore. With Rose in the mix he can play 28 minutes, Rose can play 20. Maybe even split more.
In EACH of his last five seasons, Kemba Walker has averaged more than 19 points, more than 4 assists and 3+ made 3-pointers per game.
In the 75-year history of the New York Knicks franchise, no PG has EVER averaged at least 19 points, 4 dimes and 3 treys in ANY single season.
is just a very cool thing
in partic for any big east junkies
True, and TRUE! :)
This is def true. They could make a trade including IQ, Obi, Mitch, and a bunch of picks and not really take too big of a hit. Depth gets hurt but you would still have Taj at center grimes/Mcbride at guard, etc... Plus whoever you would trade for would obviously push someone to depth
1) Knicks don't want to deal RJ, mainly because he is the type of guy that helps build a great culture beyond his talent
2) Knicks want to be an over the cap team next year with flexibility the year after, they are look at 2-3 contracts for players
3) They wanted Kemba 2 years ago, he has the most upside if healthy to be a difference maker and with the team depth if he misses games, it is ok.
4) Thibs is aware of the defensive liabilities of some of his players, which is why resigning Noel was very important to him as a rim protector.
5) Nothing has changed as the Knicks still have the assets and ability to make a trade for the next disgruntled star and flexibility to have cap space for when Zion, Towns and Booker could be free agents. See #1 for the Zion motivation with RJ as well.
Take all of this for what is worth, but stuff I have heard from writer friends.
In EACH of his last five seasons, Kemba Walker has averaged more than 19 points, more than 4 assists and 3+ made 3-pointers per game.
In the 75-year history of the New York Knicks franchise, no PG has EVER averaged at least 19 points, 4 dimes and 3 treys in ANY single season.
gotta love Tommy and his super specific minimums, lol
Of course barely anybody in the league was making 3 threes a game until about 15 years ago. You can probably just go with how many Knick point guards have averaged more than 19 points a game and leave it at that. It's gotta be a very short list. Probably Clyde and.....?
This threads that needle.
He's not helped himself in the Olympics, really, either.
lol
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
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Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
What little I've read doesn't seem like Indy wants to send Turner away.
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for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
What little I've read doesn't seem like Indy wants to send Turner away.
There's a lot of mixed messaging. Apparently they like Sabonis at the 5 and tried to give Turner away for Hayward, but they still value him.
Not sure if Obi + gets it done for the Knicks.
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for Turner now. I just feel like having a 5 that can hit a 3 would be huge. We have to penetrating PG's now and mitch will just be clogging the paint hoping they throw him an alley oop
Supposedly Myles Turner and Julius Randle have been working out together. I'm not sure how the salaries would work now in this kind of deal or who Indy would want, but Turner would make us a team to watch.
Yeah actually im not sure we can make it work salary wise anymore.
Turner makes $18 million per. I don't think we have the salaries to send out to match. Mitch/Luca/Knox only gets you to like $11 million.
Kemba won't need to be a 35+ MPG player anymore. With Rose in the mix he can play 28 minutes, Rose can play 20. Maybe even split more.
The bench is going to absolutely feast on opponent 2nd units.
Rose-IQ-Burks-Toppin-Noel
No point anymore. He's more valuable to include as trade filler.
John Hollinger
@johnhollinger
If this wasn't already obvious, Kemba at whatever his cap number is going to be is a fantastic move for the Knicks.
I have no problems with this off-season now. I don't know how anyone could. Knicks obviously did their homework and took the best route to improving the team while being smart or at least careful.
I'd probably need a pick or two back if I was trading both Obi and Mitch.
John Hollinger
@johnhollinger
If this wasn't already obvious, Kemba at whatever his cap number is going to be is a fantastic move for the Knicks.
This is the most surprising thing of the offseason.
We are in fine shape. I am excited for the coming season and not scared of the seasons to come after that. All one can really ask for.
Also, the best part might be that we still have all those 2nd and 3rd year players coming back. God forbid Obi, IQ and RJB and Mitch actually take steps forward one more time. It does happen, especially with good coaching in place.
“I think game-time is important,’’ Thibodeau said. “So if a young player is not getting the appropriate amount of time to develop, we’ll utilize the G-League. That’s become an important part of our league. We’ll certainly take advantage of that.’’
“I think game-time is important,’’ Thibodeau said. “So if a young player is not getting the appropriate amount of time to develop, we’ll utilize the G-League. That’s become an important part of our league. We’ll certainly take advantage of that.’’
Need to do this. Develop those guys because if they make a big trade they'll either be part of it or be in the new Knicks rotation.
John Hollinger
@johnhollinger
If this wasn't already obvious, Kemba at whatever his cap number is going to be is a fantastic move for the Knicks.
anyone else remember Hollinger just killing the Knicks for allowing the immortal Jackie Butler to sign the with Spurs?
Yep exactly. Room to grow and a fun team to watch. I think they win 50 games. they will be more the team from last year's second half than first half.
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Rod Strickland and Mark Jackson lol
Charlie Ward and Chris Childs as a combo were not bad at all but your point is well taken.
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
According to Begley, the Burks and Noel deals are not guaranteed in the 3rd year. Fournier not guaranteed in the 4th year.
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what does this make - 13 guaranteed contracts?
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
According to Begley, the Burks and Noel deals are not guaranteed in the 3rd year. Fournier not guaranteed in the 4th year.
Are you 100% sure on this? Others have said the wording said not fully guaranteed. That's a big difference.
I love his potential especially paired with Noel on clean up duty. That assumes health of course, but his ability to drive and create opportunities in the paint is special.
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what does this make - 13 guaranteed contracts?
1-Randle
2-Fournier
3-Rose
4-Noel
5-Burks
6-RJ
7-Knox
8-Kemba
9-Taj
10-Mitch
11-Quickly
12-Grimes
13-Obi
Non-guaranteed - Vildoza, McBride, Sims
They still have the room exception of 4.9 mil as well. Sounds like Sims got a 2 way contract, would be interested to see if Vildoza & McBride make the 14th and 15th or if one gets pushed off for a 4.9 mil room exception.
According to Begley, the Burks and Noel deals are not guaranteed in the 3rd year. Fournier not guaranteed in the 4th year.
Unless Begley changed his time he said they are not “fully guaranteed” not that they are not guaranteed. Fournier’s option is in fact a team option
In EACH of his last five seasons, Kemba Walker has averaged more than 19 points, more than 4 assists and 3+ made 3-pointers per game.
In the 75-year history of the New York Knicks franchise, no PG has EVER averaged at least 19 points, 4 dimes and 3 treys in ANY single season.
No way! How is it possible Clyde Frazier never averaged 3 treys? (Eyeroll)
2.7 WS
Kemba in Boston (99 games)
19.9 points 4.8 AST 3.9 rbs
9.7 WS
Kemba needs days off to keep the Knee healthy but when he is on the court he is all out and fringe all-star.
The knee is a time bomb from the rumors from Boston and that's why they wanted out.
But with Rose, McBride and Quickley there are plenty of rest for Kemba
2010: Ray Felton
2011: Toney Douglas
2012: Ray Felton
2013: Pablo Prigioni
2014: Shane Larkin
2015: Jose Calderon
2016: Derrick Rose
2017: Ramon Sessions
2018: Trey Burke
2019: Allonzo Trier
2020: Elfrid Payton
This is an event Obi should absolutely be dominating.
Being honest, he looks more explosive athletically than Mitch.
His footwork on defense and his ability to shadow 1 on 1 is impressive.
2010: Ray Felton
2011: Toney Douglas
2012: Ray Felton
2013: Pablo Prigioni
2014: Shane Larkin
2015: Jose Calderon
2016: Derrick Rose
2017: Ramon Sessions
2018: Trey Burke
2019: Allonzo Trier
2020: Elfrid Payton
Larkin actually went to Europe and became a very good player.... small hands and all lol
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and Sims should put on a show dunk wise. Sims might be the most impressive leaper I've ever seen at 6'10, not even kidding.
Being honest, he looks more explosive athletically than Mitch.
His footwork on defense and his ability to shadow 1 on 1 is impressive.
There is a reason he was available at 58 but his leaping/foot work on defense are really, really impressive. I'd go as far as to say if the Knicks can't develop him into at least a rotation big, that's a bit of a fail. He's 6'10 240, can jump out of the gym, can shift his feet like a guy much, much smaller. The basket looks less than 10 feet at times.
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SGA just signed a contract for 200M, Knox better be motivated. What a miss.
So no Dame? All that rationalization for nothing? Just get the best players, period. Draft well and we don’t need to trade 12 picks for someone else’s players.
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and Sims should put on a show dunk wise. Sims might be the most impressive leaper I've ever seen at 6'10, not even kidding.
Being honest, he looks more explosive athletically than Mitch.
His footwork on defense and his ability to shadow 1 on 1 is impressive.
There is a reason he was available at 58 but his leaping/foot work on defense are really, really impressive. I'd go as far as to say if the Knicks can't develop him into at least a rotation big, that's a bit of a fail. He's 6'10 240, can jump out of the gym, can shift his feet like a guy much, much smaller. The basket looks less than 10 feet at times. Link - ( New Window )
He's also very efficient on the offensive end which tells me he plays smart, knows his limitations, and is able to convert when he takes his chances.
SGA just signed a contract for 200M, Knox better be motivated. What a miss.
So no Dame? All that rationalization for nothing? Just get the best players, period. Draft well and we don’t need to trade 12 picks for someone else’s players.
Baron Davis is pushing 300 pounds (video of him balling came out last week or the week before). He's big into the film industry now (he's directed a movie etc). I know you were kidding when asking, just a legit update lol
Could definitely see Knox out going in a sign and trade for a wing. maybe they feed him the ball to try and raise his value next week in Vegas lol.
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I love Kemba as a UConn fan but this probably will end up as a move that fizzles due to injury. We shall see.
SGA just signed a contract for 200M, Knox better be motivated. What a miss.
So no Dame? All that rationalization for nothing? Just get the best players, period. Draft well and we don’t need to trade 12 picks for someone else’s players.
Baron Davis is pushing 300 pounds (video of him balling came out last week or the week before). He's big into the film industry now (he's directed a movie etc). I know you were kidding when asking, just a legit update lol
And interestingly was in a relationship with actress Laura Dern. Always been kind of a fascinating guy too bad he was definitely cooked when we got our hands on him.
They got 2 future 1sts for taking him on. This also helps their tank by keeping his dead money on their books.
This won't be close to the deciding factor, but this can't help the SGA situation. Besides Dort their is nothing around him.
He knows where to be on the court, does the little things. Again, he fell to 58 so we'll see but I think he's going to help them down the line.
I loved that draft night highlight they showed where he banged his forehead on the rim during some sort of dunk contest lol. He walked away rubbing it. The dude definitely has hops.
@JCMacriNBA
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One note here: Room exception contracts are limited to 2 years, as are min. contracts signed once a team is over the cap. Essentially, if the Knicks want to sign Deuce McBride for more than 2 years, they must do so out of cap space BEFORE they give all their remaining $$ to Kemba
@JCMacriNBA
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3m
One note here: Room exception contracts are limited to 2 years, as are min. contracts signed once a team is over the cap. Essentially, if the Knicks want to sign Deuce McBride for more than 2 years, they must do so out of cap space BEFORE they give all their remaining $$ to Kemba
Well this is certainly one reason to waive Vildoza
Wasn't suggesting I'd take all of these teams over the Knicks, just listing "good" teams.
—maintains all the picks and young players for a major deal
—Rose should not play more than 20-25 minutes per night and same for Walker. Great sharing opportunity.
—brings another player who can create their own shot
—Kemba is one of the most liked and respected voices in the entire league
Yep, I think we can say with certainty that the forecast looks bleak for NYK to be above: Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Hawks, Heat
For the others:
Celtics: Tatum and Brown are terrific but I see little else there to suggest their arrow is pointing up.
Bulls: Much needs to shake out w the expected Markaanan trade. Lavine, Ball and Derozan are a nice threesome that likely has good on-court chemistry. Vucevic is always among the top BIGs. They are probably the 6th best East team.
Indiana is a total mystery. I see no reason why they should be slated above NYK.
Charlotte is no doubt a very watchable team. I'd still rank NYK over them.
Eww. Tuner aint that good, i mean he's probably worth that, but not sure that's a gamble worth taking. I am at the point now where I only want to deal assets for a super star. Guys like Turner are somewhat fungible, fully aware he's a stretch rim protector.
they were never really healthy for much of last season. If they only get better injury luck their regular season record will be better. And several rotation pieces are still young enough that it's reasonable to assume they'll improve.
He's 22, why wouldn't he improve?
Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper are solid additions and they clearly were a different team once McMillen took over. They are better than the Knicks until proven otherwise.
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but did they really improve? unless trae has another level and if he does good lord, but i dont think they added anything this offseason..
they were never really healthy for much of last season. If they only get better injury luck their regular season record will be better. And several rotation pieces are still young enough that it's reasonable to assume they'll improve.
yeah what i am saying is was what we saw in the playoffs their ceiling?
Huerter really played well in the playoffs, Bogdanavich was very good but is already 29, Gallo is older, Collins i guess can improve, Capela is what he is, Lou williams is probably gone,
Hunter is the guy that adds another dimension to them if he is healthy
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but did they really improve? unless trae has another level and if he does good lord, but i dont think they added anything this offseason..
Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper are solid additions and they clearly were a different team once McMillen took over. They are better than the Knicks until proven otherwise.
i am not saying they arent, just think what we saw in the playoffs is what their ceiling is
The Clemson Simms, I assume?
I know Mitch has put on some weight & gotten stronger,but can he handle centers like Capela. Capela ate up Noel & threw him around like a rag doll in the playoffs,it was why Gibson saw so much time.I'm willing to wait & see, but I would do Mitch for Turner & include extras,but not Obi!
Simms or Sims?
Didn't they just sign MJ Walker to a 2 way?
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will be back on a two way with Simms probably taking the other
The Clemson Simms, I assume?
No texas simms
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will be back on a two way with Simms probably taking the other
Didn't they just sign MJ Walker to a 2 way?
exhibit 10 deal not two way
. Begley said "not fully guaranteed" aka some guaranteed money.
"All of the contracts agreed to on Monday were not fully guaranteed in the final season, SNY has learned (immediately after the Burks deal was agreed upon, SNY reported that it would be fully guaranteed. We regret the error)."
That's substantially different than 2 years plus 3rd year options aka clear after 2 years if they choose to be.
Might be semantics but "not fully guaranteed" seems specifically phrased that way vs. "The Knicks hold a team option". A team option isn't guaranteed at all.
I didn't even know you could partially guarantee contracts in the NBA
I didn't even know you could partially guarantee contracts in the NBA
You can, in fact Julius Randle's 2021 wasn't fully guaranteed until the Knicks picked it up before the deadline to do so
"2021 $4 million guaranteed (@JeffSiegel), fully guaranteed on 07/31/2021"
The Toronto Raptors are exploring the trade market for center Aron Baynes, HoopsHype has learned. Baynes currently has a $7.35 million non-guaranteed million salary for the upcoming season, as noted on our Raptors salary page. That salary becomes fully guaranteed if he’s not waived by August 5, so keep an eye on Baynes being traded or waived by then.
Zach Lowe
@ZachLowe_NBA
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Can confirm the team option part of this in the final years of the Burks, Noel, Rose, and Fournier deals, per league sources. My understanding is they are straight team options -- either declined or fully guaranteed upon being picked up.
He's the former GM of the Suns. He's an analyst on NBATV. I think he's legit.
Ryan McDonough
@McDNBA
Kemba Walker will sign a 2 year contract with the Knicks in the $8-9 million range, per league sources.
New York also has Team Options for the final seasons on the Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel and Derrick Rose contracts (in addition to Evan Fournier’s, as was previously reported)
I didn't even know you could partially guarantee contracts in the NBA
it's not uncommon. Think of it like a buyout. I think Mills/Perry did it with Elf, Randle, Ellington, and Taj when they signed them all 2 years ago.
"That is until the Bulls made a deal for DeMar DeRozan. This was the moment we’d been waiting for, and while we were staring expectantly at the Knicks and Kangz to entertain us, it instead was the Bulls who came out of left field and surprised us."
" The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years."
Zach Lowe
@ZachLowe_NBA
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Can confirm the team option part of this in the final years of the Burks, Noel, Rose, and Fournier deals, per league sources. My understanding is they are straight team options -- either declined or fully guaranteed upon being picked up.
that helps if you want to include them in a trade next year.
More good news today.
Hollinger fucking blows.
Also goes to show instant reactions age super poorly - not even the Kemba thing which is new news, but people analyzing the Noel/Rose/Burks/Fournier signings without even knowing the details of the contracts.
We'd all love to add a true #1 star. but I really can't complain.
@bball_ref
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4h
One year ago, OKC traded Dennis Schröder to LA for Danny Green
They flipped Green for Al Horford and a first round pick
They flipped Horford for Kemba and another first round pick
They flipped that pick for 2 future firsts
They turned Schröder into 3 future first round picks
Is it though? I mean the Grimes and Deuce McBride interest was well-reported by the media
Could be somewhat strategic. Agents/players get to float these semi-inflated numbers for 24-48 hours and grab the headlines. Then the real details slowly leak as footnotes.
I bet it buys some goodwill from the agencies dealing with the FO.
"That is until the Bulls made a deal for DeMar DeRozan. This was the moment we’d been waiting for, and while we were staring expectantly at the Knicks and Kangz to entertain us, it instead was the Bulls who came out of left field and surprised us."
" The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years."
Fuck these assholes who only want to talk shit and don't provide any real context. Ok fine, 6th seed, never mind that if the KNicks don't spend any money they would likely field a team incapable of making the playoffs. I guess that's fine. Also, let's ignore that the Knicks can pretty make any trade they want and are free of most if not all deals after these next 2 years.
It's all bullshit. Contracts can be traded. But let's continue to act like the Knicks just over paid for dead weight that won't be moveable.
At some point many of these writers and fans decided it's better to be terrible than to be good. Give me a break.
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that these were 2+1 team options today goes to show how tight-lipped this FO is. Pretty cool.
Is it though? I mean the Grimes and Deuce McBride interest was well-reported by the media
Along with about 20 other players. Come on now
Reggie bullock to Mavs. Mavs make the 2023 pick unprotected.
I would have loved Garuba there.
Reggie bullock to Mavs. Mavs make the 2023 pick unprotected.
Can they do that? Has that ever been done before? Lifting the restrictions off of a traded pick?
Reggie bullock to Mavs. Mavs make the 2023 pick unprotected.
I don’t see why that would matter. Luka and Cuban are always going to go all in so the chance they end up in the lottery in 2023 is slim to none. Unless Luka gets injured and misses the entire season, lol
I think that would a great move by Knicks if they unprotected oick
Lets fucking go
Very good point. Because you know they will want to move some picks to get more help for Luka. It’s probably being too hopeful but I can see Dallas lifting the protections for Bullock.
Let's fucking go.
You have to have cracked a smile today. Let's go knicks baby.
IQ
Burks
Obi
Noel
Based on what we saw this unit do toward the end of the regular season, and if IQ and Obi can take another step up, this is honestly one of the best 2nd units in the entire NBA. This was always overshadowed by the fact that Payton kept getting us into deep holes to start games that Rose then had to dig us out of, and yet somehow we were still 24-11 with Rose playing. Payton was something like -70 during that one stretch when we went 12-1. Think about that. He was our starting PG. I think a lot of people are underestimating the value of having a lethal 2nd unit in the NBA. Everyone just focuses on the starting 5, trading 4 quarters for a dollars, having super teams of 3 dudes at a time with vet min players filled in elsewhere, but I think having a solid starting unit with a lethal 2nd unit off the bench can WIN GAMES. Looking forward to seeing what having a competent real starting PG taking Payton's minutes will do for this team. We're all assuming they're gonna take a step back this year, but for the fans who watched every game last year: how many of us said "damn if only we could have a legit starting PG to take Payton's awful minutes." Now we certainly have that. Let's see what happens!
IQ
Burks
Obi
Noel
Based on what we saw this unit do toward the end of the regular season, and if IQ and Obi can take another step up, this is honestly one of the best 2nd units in the entire NBA. This was always overshadowed by the fact that Payton kept getting us into deep holes to start games that Rose then had to dig us out of, and yet somehow we were still 24-11 with Rose playing. Payton was something like -70 during that one stretch when we went 12-1. Think about that. He was our starting PG. I think a lot of people are underestimating the value of having a lethal 2nd unit in the NBA. Everyone just focuses on the starting 5, trading 4 quarters for a dollars, having super teams of 3 dudes at a time with vet min players filled in elsewhere, but I think having a solid starting unit with a lethal 2nd unit off the bench can WIN GAMES. Looking forward to seeing what having a competent real starting PG taking Payton's minutes will do for this team. We're all assuming they're gonna take a step back this year, but for the fans who watched every game last year: how many of us said "damn if only we could have a legit starting PG to take Payton's awful minutes." Now we certainly have that. Let's see what happens!
Just need JR to be the same guy.
And if RJ takes another leap combined with the better cast around him...
Quinton Mayo
@RealQuintonMayo
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Chicago & Oklahoma City are two names that I’ve heard connected to trade. BKN most recently requested Deni Avdija + future 1st/2nd round picks from WAS — WAS rebuffed the offer. Hearing Dinwiddie WILL be a Wizard, the avenue is just complicated.
Holy shit lol
im sure when it is announced we are going to say wtf
It seems like Knicks fans aren’t that high on RJ but I think he has a lot of potential especially if that 3pt shooting isn’t a one year mirage. I could easily see him ending up being a better player than Brandon Ingram, another Duke SF taken near the top of the draft. If he takes a leap to All-Star caliber in the next couple years, this Knicks team will be a tough out for anyone in a series.
Very hard to see that being the case.
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Miami, Hawks, Bulls, Pacers. Can't see the Knicks being better than all but 3 of those teams. Bucks, Nets, Sixers seem like moral locks to be better. It's possible but I'd be very surprised if the Knicks are better than all of the Heat, Hawks, Bulls and Pacers. Some? Sure. Atlanta just destroyed the Knicks, on paper they get the nod over the Knicks until proven otherwise.
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Bullock and Kemba, even with knee problems, is better than Payton. In addition, there may be some significant player improvement particularly in last year's rookies. I'm optimistic about holding on to our 4 seed in the playoffs because of these things and because we'll have Rose all season.
Very hard to see that being the case.
Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Miami, Hawks, Bulls, Pacers. Can't see the Knicks being better than all but 3 of those teams. Bucks, Nets, Sixers seem like moral locks to be better. It's possible but I'd be very surprised if the Knicks are better than all of the Heat, Hawks, Bulls and Pacers. Some? Sure. Atlanta just destroyed the Knicks, on paper they get the nod over the Knicks until proven otherwise.
mortal locks
It seems like Knicks fans aren’t that high on RJ but I think he has a lot of potential especially if that 3pt shooting isn’t a one year mirage. I could easily see him ending up being a better player than Brandon Ingram, another Duke SF taken near the top of the draft. If he takes a leap to All-Star caliber in the next couple years, this Knicks team will be a tough out for anyone in a series.
I'm super high on RJ. RN I think his ceiling is better-shooting Jimmy Butler. Which is a (bottom of the) top-10 player in the league, although probably not a #1 on a championship team. If he turns into that I will be ecstatic. Even the player he is now is very valuable.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Golden State has traded F Eric Paschall to the Utah Jazz for a protected future second round pick, sources tell ESPN.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Golden State has traded F Eric Paschall to the Utah Jazz for a protected future second round pick, sources tell ESPN.
Paschall is a good player, every time he has gotten minutes he has been productive
Perhaps I didn't emphasize enough that I see that as his ceiling. I would not bet on him getting there, but I am hopeful, if that makes sense (probably not).
Also loves being in NYC. I love RJ...
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nice move by Utah
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Golden State has traded F Eric Paschall to the Utah Jazz for a protected future second round pick, sources tell ESPN.
Paschall is a good player, every time he has gotten minutes he has been productive
Also close friends with Mitchell. Win-win for Utah.
Adding the rookies and Kemba and Fournier their upside is a team that can win a playoff series, I'm not going to get greedy and say that wouldn't be fantastic.
Do I think they are anywhere close to a title? No not really. But at least I know they aren't going to be a pile of crap next year, which as a Knicks fan is a great feeling
Kawhi Leonard 1
Paul George 2
Blake Griffin 3
Kinda had a bad rep for a while but he's underrated by many at this point
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Golden State has traded F Eric Paschall to the Utah Jazz for a protected future second round pick, sources tell ESPN.
Paschall was in the first team all-rookie in 2020. RJ wasn't even on the second team. And now he's traded for a second round pick...
Paschall was in the first team all-rookie in 2020. RJ wasn't even on the second team. And now he's traded for a second round pick...
RJ not making the all rookie teams last year was so clearly anti-Knick bias. He wasn't great as rookie but Terrance Davis.. really?
@ShamsCharania
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The Wizards are sending a second-round pick and a draft swap to Brooklyn to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie, pairing All-NBA star Bradley Beal and Dinwiddie in the Washington backcourt, sources said.
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Nope the basketball games are only on the pay version.
Kawhi Leonard 1
Paul George 2
Blake Griffin 3
Kinda had a bad rep for a while but he's underrated by many at this point
I'm like 98% with you on Jimmy's value, I just think RJ can get there. Maybe I'm crazy.
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Nope the basketball games are only on the pay version.
Also I think some of their shows are only on the pay version. But there is a lot of free shows.
@BobbyMarks42
Here is what the 5 teamer looks like
To WASH
Kuzma
KCP
Harrell
Dinwiddie
A. Holiday
Rights to I. Todd (#31)
To LAL
Westbook
To BKN
2024 2nd
2025 2nd (right to swap with GSW or WAS)
$11.5M Trade Exception
To IND
Rights to I. Jackson (#22)
To SAS
C. Hutchison
2022 2nd (WAS)
@BobbyMarks42
Here is what the 5 teamer looks like
To WASH
Kuzma
KCP
Harrell
Dinwiddie
A. Holiday
Rights to I. Todd (#31)
To LAL
Westbook
To BKN
2024 2nd
2025 2nd (right to swap with GSW or WAS)
$11.5M Trade Exception
To IND
Rights to I. Jackson (#22)
To SAS
C. Hutchison
2022 2nd (WAS)
I wonder if Isaiah Jackson going to Indy makes it even more likely that Myles Turner gets traded. And if he does the Knicks have been rumored to be one of the more likely teams to trade for him.
Sooner or later, Father Time has to catch up with him. I know he keeps himself in tremendous shape, but the mileage...he does save some of his reserves for big games. His defense has slipped in last few seasons too.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
The Nets are in the same boat.
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that simple for me. Agree that Bron will be good to go until further notice...
Sooner or later, Father Time has to catch up with him. I know he keeps himself in tremendous shape, but the mileage...he does save some of his reserves for big games. His defense has slipped in last few seasons too.
Yeah I agree, I think he has 2-3 more years of being elite though. He wants to make it to play with Bronny.
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i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
& the thing with the Lakers...health. Huge factor with both AD & LBJ.
& the thing with the Lakers...health. Huge factor with both AD & LBJ.
and if you look at who they signed yeah they have some names but it really isnt that good..
Their bench is terrible, their starting 2 is wayne Ellington or Kent Bazemore
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nygiants16, I agree LBJ/Westbrook dynamic is a little off.
& the thing with the Lakers...health. Huge factor with both AD & LBJ.
and if you look at who they signed yeah they have some names but it really isnt that good..
Their bench is terrible, their starting 2 is wayne Ellington or Kent Bazemore
& they're old AF no?
That would of been terrible
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today said Kemba was trying to go to NY with Khris Middleton a couple years ago when they were both free agents but implied that Mills fucked it up.
That would of been terrible
In retrospect that Kemba deal was terrible, but I think that's the first connection of Khris to NYK.
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today said Kemba was trying to go to NY with Khris Middleton a couple years ago when they were both free agents but implied that Mills fucked it up.
That would of been terrible
Haha. First reaction too...Kemba & Middleton...uh, I'll pass.
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In comment 15322709 Jon in NYC said:
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today said Kemba was trying to go to NY with Khris Middleton a couple years ago when they were both free agents but implied that Mills fucked it up.
That would of been terrible
In retrospect that Kemba deal was terrible, but I think that's the first connection of Khris to NYK.
Yeah i assumed it was Butler or anthony davis
He’s not. There’s way better kids in that class
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i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
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i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
but in the playoffs you will
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel
I think someone will draft Bronny and LBJ will go play with whatever that team is, no matter how good Bronny or LBJ is at that point
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
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if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
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In comment 15322763 Leg of Theismann said:
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if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
You're right. It would have to be Noel instead of Mitch (or Burks-- would obviously prefer to give up Noel if we're getting Turner, so again would likely have to be a 3 team trade of sorts). And in that case would have to give up 2 firsts I would think (along with Luca and Knox).
By the way-- I think that 90 day moratorium thing on not being able to trade guys you just signed (i.e. Burks and Noel) is only valid on new acquisitions-- I think it doesn't apply to Burks and Noel because they stayed w/ the Knicks. I just learned that last night. Could be wrong though.
They apparently don't like his fit w/ Sabonis
I think the window on this deal passed.
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Kemba/Rose
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel
I think Vildoza will stick along with at least one rookie.
I think the third group of five will be Taj-Sims-Knox-Grimes-Vildoza. My guess is McBride and Simms go to the G-League, while Grimes and Sims stay with the big team. Grimes may get some occasional burn and Sims has Taj mentoring him. McBride and Simms get PT at Westchester, with the possibility that McBride replaces Vildoza later in the season.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
By his second season in the league, Butler was delivering 7+ win shares.
Kawhi posted 5.5 WS as a rookie, 6.2 in his second year, and other than the year that he forced himself out of SA, he hasn't represented fewer than 7.7 win shares.
Barrett is absolutely on the upswing, but he's nowhere near where either of these guys were after their first two years in the league.