Weren’t shit through their first 3-4 years in the league.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
that simple for me. Agree that Bron will be good to go until further notice...
Sooner or later, Father Time has to catch up with him. I know he keeps himself in tremendous shape, but the mileage...he does save some of his reserves for big games. His defense has slipped in last few seasons too.
Yeah I agree, I think he has 2-3 more years of being elite though. He wants to make it to play with Bronny.
i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
They knew Kemba would get bought out Monday and had made an under the table offer to Nunn before the QO was pulled and got a no then and pivoted to Kemba
i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lakers have baaically a 1 year window
i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
RE: Who/what would you guys give up for Myles Turner
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
RE: RE: Who/what would you guys give up for Myles Turner
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
RE: RE: RE: Who/what would you guys give up for Myles Turner
if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
You're right. It would have to be Noel instead of Mitch (or Burks-- would obviously prefer to give up Noel if we're getting Turner, so again would likely have to be a 3 team trade of sorts). And in that case would have to give up 2 firsts I would think (along with Luca and Knox).
By the way-- I think that 90 day moratorium thing on not being able to trade guys you just signed (i.e. Burks and Noel) is only valid on new acquisitions-- I think it doesn't apply to Burks and Noel because they stayed w/ the Knicks. I just learned that last night. Could be wrong though.
Could we sign Mitch to an extension and then trade him? His base would go up significantly and then the price tag would be more balanced so it could probably be like Mitch and one of Knox/Luca plus a pick.
I think Vildoza will stick along with at least one rookie.
I think the third group of five will be Taj-Sims-Knox-Grimes-Vildoza. My guess is McBride and Simms go to the G-League, while Grimes and Sims stay with the big team. Grimes may get some occasional burn and Sims has Taj mentoring him. McBride and Simms get PT at Westchester, with the possibility that McBride replaces Vildoza later in the season.
Weren’t shit through their first 3-4 years in the league.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
By his second season in the league, Butler was delivering 7+ win shares.
Kawhi posted 5.5 WS as a rookie, 6.2 in his second year, and other than the year that he forced himself out of SA, he hasn't represented fewer than 7.7 win shares.
Barrett is absolutely on the upswing, but he's nowhere near where either of these guys were after their first two years in the league.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
The Nets are in the same boat.
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that simple for me. Agree that Bron will be good to go until further notice...
Sooner or later, Father Time has to catch up with him. I know he keeps himself in tremendous shape, but the mileage...he does save some of his reserves for big games. His defense has slipped in last few seasons too.
Yeah I agree, I think he has 2-3 more years of being elite though. He wants to make it to play with Bronny.
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i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
& the thing with the Lakers...health. Huge factor with both AD & LBJ.
& the thing with the Lakers...health. Huge factor with both AD & LBJ.
and if you look at who they signed yeah they have some names but it really isnt that good..
Their bench is terrible, their starting 2 is wayne Ellington or Kent Bazemore
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nygiants16, I agree LBJ/Westbrook dynamic is a little off.
& the thing with the Lakers...health. Huge factor with both AD & LBJ.
and if you look at who they signed yeah they have some names but it really isnt that good..
Their bench is terrible, their starting 2 is wayne Ellington or Kent Bazemore
& they're old AF no?
That would of been terrible
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today said Kemba was trying to go to NY with Khris Middleton a couple years ago when they were both free agents but implied that Mills fucked it up.
That would of been terrible
In retrospect that Kemba deal was terrible, but I think that's the first connection of Khris to NYK.
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today said Kemba was trying to go to NY with Khris Middleton a couple years ago when they were both free agents but implied that Mills fucked it up.
That would of been terrible
Haha. First reaction too...Kemba & Middleton...uh, I'll pass.
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today said Kemba was trying to go to NY with Khris Middleton a couple years ago when they were both free agents but implied that Mills fucked it up.
That would of been terrible
In retrospect that Kemba deal was terrible, but I think that's the first connection of Khris to NYK.
Yeah i assumed it was Butler or anthony davis
He’s not. There’s way better kids in that class
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i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
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In comment 15322685 nygiants16 said:
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i could see them dominating for 1 year and winning the title but i could also see them having a ton of injuries and it failing
The Nets are in the same boat.
Nets are a little yoinger though and fit better..
I just dont see how Westbrook and Lebron mesh, i know great players make it work but Westbrook is at his best with the ball in his hands, if it isnt he is useless
I think it plays out like the Nets. You're not playing all three at once the majority of the time. Allows AD and Bron to rest a lot.
but in the playoffs you will
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel
I think someone will draft Bronny and LBJ will go play with whatever that team is, no matter how good Bronny or LBJ is at that point
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
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if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
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if we could get him? I keep hearing Mitchell Robinson but why would the Pacers want Mitch-- in that case I would assume it would have to be a 3-team trade. I would be in favor of that though if we only had to give up Mitch and a 1st.
Is that even possible now? Salaries aren't close.
I think you're right. Even Knox, Vildoza, and Mitch doesn't get you to 11 mill. And Turner is getting 18.
You're right. It would have to be Noel instead of Mitch (or Burks-- would obviously prefer to give up Noel if we're getting Turner, so again would likely have to be a 3 team trade of sorts). And in that case would have to give up 2 firsts I would think (along with Luca and Knox).
By the way-- I think that 90 day moratorium thing on not being able to trade guys you just signed (i.e. Burks and Noel) is only valid on new acquisitions-- I think it doesn't apply to Burks and Noel because they stayed w/ the Knicks. I just learned that last night. Could be wrong though.
They apparently don't like his fit w/ Sabonis
I think the window on this deal passed.
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Kemba/Rose
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel
I think Vildoza will stick along with at least one rookie.
I think the third group of five will be Taj-Sims-Knox-Grimes-Vildoza. My guess is McBride and Simms go to the G-League, while Grimes and Sims stay with the big team. Grimes may get some occasional burn and Sims has Taj mentoring him. McBride and Simms get PT at Westchester, with the possibility that McBride replaces Vildoza later in the season.
When we compare RJB to at their peak super stars, we need to remember that many peak super stars didn’t peak until years 3-4.
RJB was better in his year two than butler or Leonard were. A lot better. Brandon Ingram? RJB had a better year 2.
Doesn’t mean RJB reaches that level but we need to remember that the NBA super star doesn’t always arrive in the NBA as one. Many super stars are cultivated.
By his second season in the league, Butler was delivering 7+ win shares.
Kawhi posted 5.5 WS as a rookie, 6.2 in his second year, and other than the year that he forced himself out of SA, he hasn't represented fewer than 7.7 win shares.
Barrett is absolutely on the upswing, but he's nowhere near where either of these guys were after their first two years in the league.