I guess I'm kinda like Gilbert & Sullivan's Mikado who said, "Let the punishment fit the crime."
Most players never get into fights. It's usually the same players who get into fights on multiple occasions.
Even if 45 players got into yesterday's brawl, I would not have punished the other 45 players whose only sin was that they happened to be in the neighborhood (not to mention the ones who were involved in the brawl because they were trying to STOP those few players who were actually fighting).
The last time I remember a Giants coach making the entire team run laps in training camp was Jim Fassel. That was years ago, but if I remember correctly, it did not end well or benefit the team.
The good: This is going to be a 17 game season. Weed out the weak players. In a long season the importance of endurance may sometime outweigh football talent in deciding who makes the team.
I'm sure that Judge also probably learned something about, "first impressions."
Thing is it is early in Judge's term, so he has some latitude. Hopefully the team will respond and not need or receive group "punishment" down the line.
Perhaps lackadaisical reprimands do not work. Sometimes a kick in the ass catches peoples attention.
Agreed. I mean, from all the reports we’ve seen it was basically all 91 players involved. Is Judge supposed to see what’s happening, being as pissed as he was, then give the team a half hour break while the coaches go inside to look at film and determine who was fighting and who were playing peace makers so they could determine who should slowly jog laps? Riiiiight. That’s realistic
They all knew he was screwing around -- you should never throw rocks in a glass house -- it did not go well because of that
This team is united in stating how consistent Joe Judge is with his message
As it relates to yesterday, the reasoning might well be somewhat practical. It sounds like most of the team was involved in the scrap to begin with. It might have taken them all day to sort out individual offenders.
Completely agree.
So tired of reporters asking about it. WTF is the big deal. How many questions do we need about it. So annoying. Non-story.
He has every opportunity to be a "vet" prima donna like we've seen many times before..(look at Coughlins inherited talent from 04 right up until they won the SB. They were not all bought in.)
Judge will be fine.
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An entire thread on "running laps" for punishment. This is the 24 hour news cycle at its best.
+1.
Completely agree.
So tired of reporters asking about it. WTF is the big deal. How many questions do we need about it. So annoying. Non-story.
The punishment is being expelled from the pack - so to speak. It’s a humiliation of pride. And it’s mostly an incentive to stay in the pack and not be singled out. For the offender, this minor aggravation to their pride is a negative consequence to a lapse in concentration. But it’s really more of an incentive to the pack to avoid that minor humiliation.
And it establishes a focal point or commonality for the team. It’s not punishment at all as much as it’s training and team building. Perhaps counter intuitively, the more stable your psychological composition, EQ, IQ, etc, the more likely you are to be susceptible to this mental conditioning.
Anyway, it’s fairly fundamental. I wonder sometimes why more coaches don’t employ these psychology parlor tricks. They can be highly effective in the right hands.
Because until that happens the "Laps" are a great way to separate the chaff from the wheat.
Two left with honor because they feel they can't play at the level they are used to. The other one left because he had an unearned entitlement attitude that would never have worked under Judge. All three have stated they are done with football. Is there seriously anyone on this board who thinks the Giants lost anything with regards to them?
If we have guys jumping offsides, the entire O is going to "get em hot."
That includes offensive players on the sideline.
Because until that happens the "Laps" are a great way to separate the chaff from the wheat.
Two left with honor because they feel they can't play at the level they are used to. The other one left because he had an unearned entitlement attitude that would never have worked under Judge. All three have stated they are done with football. Is there seriously anyone on this board who thinks the Giants lost anything with regards to them?
This!!!
I played in HS, and it's hardly a comparison, but the same was true here. If a unit, or if one guy in one unit fouls up, we all ran.
It's never supposed to be about the individual or the few. You succeed or fail as a collective.