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Eagles and Texans talking Deshaun Watson

Pete44 : 8/4/2021 11:33 pm
I’m not sure how credible this writer is..
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They did just clear a bunch of cap space  
Saos1n : 8/4/2021 11:51 pm : link
This was talked about as an option. We’ll see
If true Giants should get in the game  
Jimmy Googs : 8/4/2021 11:53 pm : link
and at least drive up the price...
oh yes please  
D HOS : 8/4/2021 11:55 pm : link
Please Eagles, trade multiple high picks in next year's draft And please will some other GM jump in there and drive up the cost!
Live feed from a Philly Fan page  
Kev in Cali : 8/5/2021 12:46 am : link
....It's not happening per their fan base. They do have three 1st rounders to work with.
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I just don't see how a team is going to risk  
bLiTz 2k : 8/5/2021 1:04 am : link
That kind of resources on a guy with this baggage that hasn't been resolved yet.

What if you give the farm, and his legal matters prevent him from playing?

He's also not going to be cheap, effectively eating up your cap in addition to those resources. I almost want them to do it so it blows up in their faces.
It's comical....  
Kev in Cali : 8/5/2021 1:20 am : link
But, they are saying with the cap space just opened, it would cost Philly around 10.5M
That was my initial thought when I heard about the cap reduction  
George from PA : 8/5/2021 3:40 am : link
Very risky
Also might explain…  
bw in dc : 8/5/2021 4:10 am : link
why Watson has been mysteriously held out of practice the last two days.
Ha, I can definitely  
section125 : 8/5/2021 5:57 am : link
see this happening. Probably some shyster lawyers have figured out how to get Watson out of trouble. IIRC, there have been no criminal charges, just civil suits and that just entails money.
RE: Also might explain…  
Big Blue '56 : 8/5/2021 7:04 am : link
In comment 15322978 bw in dc said:
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why Watson has been mysteriously held out of practice the last two days.


Yeah, that must be it..:)
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2021 7:10 am : link
He is what, 25? I don't want to see this dude twice a year for the next decade plus.
There is no positive way to spin this  
Essex : 8/5/2021 7:24 am : link
He is a top 5 QB in the league without a doubt. He is 25. This would be a disaster for us and be a significant hurdle in us taking the leap forward that people think we can make.
Go for it  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 7:25 am : link
Lots of risk here and he’s beatable on top of it
Go for it  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 7:26 am : link
Lots of risk here and he’s beatable on top of it
IMO  
DannyDimes : 8/5/2021 7:40 am : link
He's never going to play another game in the NFL...
He’d only be a $10.5m cap hit this year  
BillT : 8/5/2021 7:46 am : link
Then he has big money due, $35m next year, but they would probably renegotiate his contract to suit their cap situation.
RE: Go for it  
Sean : 8/5/2021 7:47 am : link
In comment 15322999 UConn4523 said:
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Lots of risk here and he’s beatable on top of it

My thoughts exactly.
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Sean : 8/5/2021 7:48 am : link
In comment 15322994 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He is what, 25? I don't want to see this dude twice a year for the next decade plus.

Didn’t we say that about RGIII, Wentz, etc?
I think he’s definitely going to play again  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 7:52 am : link
but 10 straight years is a tall task, let alone 10 straight good years. Too much bagged, gets hurt, and seems to be a pretty big character concern. Can’t expect our division to never have good competition so I couldn’t care less about him suiting up.
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Essex : 8/5/2021 7:53 am : link
In comment 15323010 Sean said:
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Lots of risk here and he’s beatable on top of it


My thoughts exactly.


His stats are off the charts, especially last year and that was with a bad team. One of the more interesting questions for him is whether he could play in cold weather. He plays in a dome and two of his division opponents are in domes and the other two are in Jacksonville and Nashville (not tropical climates but not cold weather climates either) so he doesn’t have the experience of playing with the wind and cold of December and January games. I know he was 4-12 last year but the guy is really, really good.
RE: I think he’s definitely going to play again  
Essex : 8/5/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15323012 UConn4523 said:
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but 10 straight years is a tall task, let alone 10 straight good years. Too much bagged, gets hurt, and seems to be a pretty big character concern. Can’t expect our division to never have good competition so I couldn’t care less about him suiting up.

Hasn’t he missed one game in the last three years?
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Big Blue '56 : 8/5/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15323011 Sean said:
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He is what, 25? I don't want to see this dude twice a year for the next decade plus.


Didn’t we say that about RGIII, Wentz, etc?


Thanks Sean, I was just going to post that..Bastid! :)
Pretty sure he tore his knee a few years back  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 7:57 am : link
and since then is on and off the injury report with something. Not a huge red flag by any means but it’s there.
RE: It's comical....  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 8:01 am : link
In comment 15322967 Kev in Cali said:
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But, they are saying with the cap space just opened, it would cost Philly around 10.5M


$10.5M to make the lawsuits disappear?
It won't happen  
Biteymax22 : 8/5/2021 8:05 am : link
But I'd love to see the Eagles trade every asset they have for him, then second the ink drys on the agreement Watson is formally charged the suspended indefinitely.
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Big Blue '56 : 8/5/2021 8:07 am : link
In comment 15323018 giants#1 said:
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But, they are saying with the cap space just opened, it would cost Philly around 10.5M



$10.5M to make the lawsuits disappear?


Per complainant
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Chris684 : 8/5/2021 8:21 am : link
In comment 15322994 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He is what, 25? I don't want to see this dude twice a year for the next decade plus.


Every time I've heard this it hasn't worked out.

RGIII and Wentz come to mind.

I don't see it but the Eagles  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/5/2021 8:29 am : link
have rolled the dice before. They have a lot of age on the roster and need those draft picks. If they did I am sure they would have outs in any trade/contract if his case turns for the worse.

With a rookie HC you would think they avoid making a move like this.

The Texans are in a no win situation  
jvm52106 : 8/5/2021 8:32 am : link
here. They have to move him as he currently sits 4th on the depth chart and makes a ton of money (for being 4th on the depth chart). They also have no idea how the legal piece will work out or if the league will suspend him, which I believe they were hoping would happen already.

The Texans will need to basically accept conditional draft picks from teams because no acquiring team wants to commit tons of picks with a possible suspension or even arrest in the future.

After the Wentz trade  
bLiTz 2k : 8/5/2021 8:34 am : link
It was all a guarantee that the Eagles were going all in on using those premium draft resources for a QB.

I mentally had subscribed to the idea it was either going to be a blockbuster trade for a vet, or for one of the top 2 QBs in this draft.

This kind of news shouldn't really scare or surprise anyone. It was always a pick your poison deal. I personally think there's a lot of risk with Watson...even more so than a young QB in the draft.

He's a great player, but we all know they were going to get their QB1 for 2022 somehow.
I'd rather see  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/5/2021 8:45 am : link
the Eagles with that expensive headcase than using those 3 first round picks which could very well turn into quality players on cost-controlled contracts.
RE: The Texans are in a no win situation  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 8:48 am : link
In comment 15323057 jvm52106 said:
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here. They have to move him as he currently sits 4th on the depth chart and makes a ton of money (for being 4th on the depth chart). They also have no idea how the legal piece will work out or if the league will suspend him, which I believe they were hoping would happen already.

The Texans will need to basically accept conditional draft picks from teams because no acquiring team wants to commit tons of picks with a possible suspension or even arrest in the future.


They can also just sit still. If he wants out he has to sit which means they don’t pay for him and we know he doesn’t want to lose money because he showed up for camp.

Houston has leverage, it’s just a matter of how long they want to deal with the legal stuff. They can wait the whole thing out if they don’t mind the heat.
With all the extracurricular stuff,  
Bill L : 8/5/2021 8:51 am : link
it would be unconscionable for Goodell to allow him to play at all this year.
RE: Also might explain…  
JuliusPepperwood : 8/5/2021 9:03 am : link
In comment 15322978 bw in dc said:
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why Watson has been mysteriously held out of practice the last two days.
I saw that on the NFLN, it seemed weird that he was listed as 4th string, this makes sense to me.
22 women  
JB_in_DC : 8/5/2021 9:18 am : link
How many more women than twenty-freaking-two would it take for the Eagles to not want this guy? Has Howie's analytics department identified a baseline ratio of QBR-per-assault victim whereby a guy represents a worthwhile acquisition target?

I'm glad we don't have to deal with this on our side of the Delaware River.
Would really suck to have both Prescott and Watson in our  
Metnut : 8/5/2021 9:20 am : link
division.
From @ProFootballTalk  
JB_in_DC : 8/5/2021 9:23 am : link
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Source says contrary to a report that trade talks between Eagles and Texans for Deshaun Watson are "heating up," they are not.

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RE: 22 women  
Dr. D : 8/5/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15323106 JB_in_DC said:
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How many more women than twenty-freaking-two would it take for the Eagles to not want this guy? Has Howie's analytics department identified a baseline ratio of QBR-per-assault victim whereby a guy represents a worthwhile acquisition target?

I'm glad we don't have to deal with this on our side of the Delaware River.

How many dogs were tortured and killed by Vick and his sick friends? I guess not enough to keep the eagles from signing him.
Even..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/5/2021 9:27 am : link
with the recent moves, Philly is tight against the cap and they need to have room to make in-season moves.

They'd have to clear a significantly bigger chunk to even entertain getting Watson.
RE: Even..  
Essex : 8/5/2021 9:35 am : link
In comment 15323116 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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with the recent moves, Philly is tight against the cap and they need to have room to make in-season moves.

They'd have to clear a significantly bigger chunk to even entertain getting Watson.

If they got to Fletcher Cox or Brandon Graham or any veteran on the team we are close to getting Watson would you restructure, assuming the Eagles don't take away any guaranteed money, they are going to do it. I really doubt salary cap will get in the way of this one. Now, of course, does it make sense from a salary cap standpoint is another issue (and given his talent I think it would but given his legal issues and the amount of money he wield make I could see others disagreeing, especially since he is not someone who has already had a deep playoff run in him).
they also need to account for his $40m  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 9:44 am : link
the following years as well, most importantly 2022.
A risky move by Philly, if it happens.  
Section331 : 8/5/2021 9:45 am : link
Does Watson even play this year? If he settles the multitude of lawsuits against him, I have to think the NFL suspends him. I guess if it's a year, Philly can live with it.
The cap is fluid so that shouldn't be a sticking point for Eagles.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/5/2021 9:48 am : link
As for some of the comments above, Watson may indeed not be able to play in 2021, but to suggest he will never play another NFL game ever feels like a stretch at this stage.

RE: Even..  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15323116 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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with the recent moves, Philly is tight against the cap and they need to have room to make in-season moves.

They'd have to clear a significantly bigger chunk to even entertain getting Watson.


That's not true. With the latest restructurings they now have enough space to fit Watson's $10.5M base on this years cap (and still have $~5M left for in-season moves). Plus, they'd likely restructure his deal anyway.
RE: they also need to account for his $40m  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15323141 UConn4523 said:
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the following years as well, most importantly 2022.


1. Still a lot, but it's *only* $35M in 2022. Houston would be on the hook for the $5.4M (prorated) bonus.

2. They wouldn't have to do anything about that until next offseason.

3. They love kicking the can down the road. Would likely just add a void year in 2026 and convert the $35M base to a bonus. That alone would reduce his 2022 cap # to ~$8M ($27M "savings" relative to the current $35M hit)

4. They'll likely extend and/or add some void years to Cox's deal and reduce his cap #s.
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Big Blue '56 : 8/5/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15323112 Dr. D said:
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How many more women than twenty-freaking-two would it take for the Eagles to not want this guy? Has Howie's analytics department identified a baseline ratio of QBR-per-assault victim whereby a guy represents a worthwhile acquisition target?

I'm glad we don't have to deal with this on our side of the Delaware River.


How many dogs were tortured and killed by Vick and his sick friends? I guess not enough to keep the eagles from signing him.


At least he went to jail
Watson is a good player but this would be a disaster for the Eagles  
PatersonPlank : 8/5/2021 10:04 am : link
First, in this day and age could you imagine the activist groups marching on the club offices and protesting? Second, from what I read Hurts is pretty popular with the players. Third who knows what happens in the Watson legal case? Imagine doing this and then he gets suspended for a year or two.

Major risk, would take giving away a lot of capital in draft picks etc., and could cause team rifts.

After thinking about it I hope the Eagles go for it
RE: RE: they also need to account for his $40m  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15323167 giants#1 said:
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the following years as well, most importantly 2022.



1. Still a lot, but it's *only* $35M in 2022. Houston would be on the hook for the $5.4M (prorated) bonus.

2. They wouldn't have to do anything about that until next offseason.

3. They love kicking the can down the road. Would likely just add a void year in 2026 and convert the $35M base to a bonus. That alone would reduce his 2022 cap # to ~$8M ($27M "savings" relative to the current $35M hit)

4. They'll likely extend and/or add some void years to Cox's deal and reduce his cap #s.


Of course but it’s a bigger deal than 2021, IMO especially when you factor in that he may not even play this year.
And I’m happy as hell it isn’t for Rodgers  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 10:07 am : link
that would be the huge kick in the dick.
they can have him. huge cap hit and barren drafts for years  
Victor in CT : 8/5/2021 10:25 am : link
overall good for the Giants. Add in that he could be arrested at any moment and it's a plus for the Giants.
RE: Would really suck to have both Prescott and Watson in our  
fanatic II : 8/5/2021 11:57 am : link
In comment 15323109 Metnut said:
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division.


Here's another scenario.

Next year Washington acquires Aaron Rodgers.

The QB's in the division would be Prescott, Watson, Rodgers, and Jones(if he returns).
RE: they can have him. huge cap hit and barren drafts for years  
aGiantGuy : 8/5/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15323197 Victor in CT said:
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overall good for the Giants. Add in that he could be arrested at any moment and it's a plus for the Giants.


+1. I hope they get him, just please stop giving the Eagles FO a discount
RE: RE: Would really suck to have both Prescott and Watson in our  
chick310 : 8/5/2021 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15323304 fanatic II said:
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division.



Here's another scenario.

Next year Washington acquires Aaron Rodgers.

The QB's in the division would be Prescott, Watson, Rodgers, and Jones(if he returns).


We would need a bigger boat.
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compton : 8/5/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15323011 Sean said:
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He is what, 25? I don't want to see this dude twice a year for the next decade plus.


Didn’t we say that about RGIII, Wentz, etc?


And how many times have the Giants beat Philly with Wentz?
Wentz didn't play for a decade plus  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2021 1:28 pm : link
almost no QB's do which is why even if this does happen, Watson isn't likely to break that mold.

The Giants didn't beat Wentz because they were a really bad team losing to almost everyone during that same time period. Its not like Wentz got in our way of a title.
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Big Blue '56 : 8/5/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15323431 compton said:
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He is what, 25? I don't want to see this dude twice a year for the next decade plus.


Didn’t we say that about RGIII, Wentz, etc?



And how many times have the Giants beat Philly with Wentz?


The point is RGIII and Wentz were SUPPOSED to be around for a decade to terrorize us
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