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nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 8:00 am
full value is 5 year 140 according to woj
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The  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 5:22 pm : link
Knicks only have 4.9 million they can spend and they just added Kemba Walker to go with Derrick Rose. They aren't adding Schroeder. The starting lineup is (obviously Thibs is weird sometimes with Mitch but...

Walker-PG
Fournier-SG
Barrett-SF
Randle-PF
Mitch-C


Noel-C
Burks-G
Obi-PF
Grimes-G
Knox-SF
IQ- SG
Rose-PG
Vildoza-PG
Gibson-PF


Sims/McBride we'll see what kind of contracts they get
RE: This  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15323679 DanMetroMan said:
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is a must read Link - ( New Window )

Good read for sure. The one point I don't really agree with is that the Heat are clearly a tier above the Knicks. They might better than the Knicks next year but last season the two teams were roughly equal. Lowry is 35 years old and for the first time started to decline a bit (albeit not much) last year.

Would anyone really be surprised though if a healthy Kemba is better next year than Lowry? Not to mention the Knicks added Fournier as well and have two rookies who showed promise and should in theory be better in year 2.
RE: RE: I like the Hawks better than Boston or the 76ers  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15323455 DanMetroMan said:
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so the 2nd team in the East as far as I'm concerned.

Still don't have anyone that can guard Trae but Fournier and Kemba could help a lot taking advantage of his defensive weaknesses.

Obi taking a step forward would be big IMO to matchup better against them. It already helps to have way better outside shooters at G but if you can play Obi / Randle 4 and 5 you could maybe make Capela sit...



You have the Hawks ahead of either the defending champs or the Nets? I couldn't go that far. But 3-4 range for sure.


Yeah Hawks 3 my bad lol. I was thinking the Bucks, selective memory on the the Nets as it pains me to watch them be as good as they are. But I could easily see the Hawks taking them in the playoffs if their young players all improve and the Nets have any health issues (which I wouldn't call unlikely)



IF HEALTHY  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 5:32 pm : link
yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 5:43 pm : link
think the Heat are better than the Knicks but an entire "tier"? That I disagree with. Like I said above I'd go

Nets/Bucks
Sixers/Hawks

and then 5 teams that are of roughly similar talent levels. I give the nod to Miami because we've seen that group raise their level of play (and Lowry and Tucker are battle-tested) but I wouldn't bet money they will finish with a record far better than the Knicks. For both teams losing Butler or Randle would be crippling.
RE: IF HEALTHY  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15323797 nygiants16 said:
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?


I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.
I'm down on the Sixers although not my favorite matchup for the Knicks  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 5:50 pm : link
I actually like how the Knicks matchup against the Nets the best of the big teams.

I think the Sixers are in bad shape unless Simmons gets his shit sorted out. Which has to be at best a toss up as I see it. But if he does, they are as good as anyone
Lonzo was the one guy who I was hoping we'd grab  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 5:56 pm : link
getting his FT% up to 78% was huge for me and the 3's came to a very respectable level.

I think he could really shine in Chicago (or could have in NY) but is honestly a better fit in Chicago.

But yeah I think it's Lowry for me as the biggest impact. If he gels well with that team I could see them winning the East (although i'd put them 4 or 5 in ranking) but yeah if they do compete it will because he had a major impact. You can never rule out the Heat, Riley is a real wizard. I can't believe we ever let him out of NY

RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
widmerseyebrow : 8/5/2021 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15323804 DanMetroMan said:
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I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.


I think that's a pretty grounded take. If we didn't have Rose in the fold I'd be nervous about relying on Kemba to take us to another level. Having both of them is a nice situation.
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nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15323804 DanMetroMan said:
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?



I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.


Thats completely fair and i agree i dont think we get a completely healthy walker but i think 85 to 90 percent is realistic
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Stu11 : 8/5/2021 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15323822 widmerseyebrow said:
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I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.



I think that's a pretty grounded take. If we didn't have Rose in the fold I'd be nervous about relying on Kemba to take us to another level. Having both of them is a nice situation.

Yep Charlotte and Boston were counting on him to play 30+ minutes we won't be. We are probably looking for more in the 20-25 range. So while his knees are a huge question mark and can be a ticking time bomb, the time management should help. Also this off season will be the most rest he's had in 3 years.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2021 7:08 pm : link
IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.
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Mike in NJ : 8/5/2021 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15323873 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.


Agree with this, I think hawks are now being overrated based on a nice postseason run. The Hawks were awesome the second half of the season but it’s not like they were significantly better record wise than the Heat and Knicks, it was a dead heat for the last 20 games or so. The Hawks are running it back with the same team while basically everyone else in the East playoff race improved their teams.
And a huge part of that nice post-season run by the Hawks  
Semipro Lineman : 8/5/2021 8:43 pm : link
was arguably one of the biggest post-season choke jobs in the last five years by Philly. I think the Hawks deserved most of the credit they are been given in this thread but not all of it...
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:53 pm : link
Per @NYPost_Berman, Mitchell Robinson is in fact still in a walking boot #Knicks
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Stu11 : 8/6/2021 12:27 am : link
In comment 15323936 Mike in NJ said:
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IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.



Agree with this, I think hawks are now being overrated based on a nice postseason run. The Hawks were awesome the second half of the season but it’s not like they were significantly better record wise than the Heat and Knicks, it was a dead heat for the last 20 games or so. The Hawks are running it back with the same team while basically everyone else in the East playoff race improved their teams.

Check out the Hawks record under McMillan. Their playoff run was no fluke. They played like that for months. When healthy they didn't need to add anything. Keeping Collins was huge. They are a deep tough team. However they play the games for a reason. Anything can happen. The East will be a dog fight. I think Dame asking out can change everything as I think it will ignite a Knicks-Sixers bidding war.
RE: And a huge part of that nice post-season run by the Hawks  
TyreeHelmet : 8/6/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15323952 Semipro Lineman said:
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was arguably one of the biggest post-season choke jobs in the last five years by Philly. I think the Hawks deserved most of the credit they are been given in this thread but not all of it...


Hawks were also missing Hunter and Reddish and Bog were really injured. I see the Hawks as legit and will be better. Really good team.
Julius's deal is actually 4 for 106  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 9:16 am : link
the extra 11 million is incentives
RE: Julius's deal is actually 4 for 106  
Jon in NYC : 8/6/2021 9:18 am : link
In comment 15324247 nygiants16 said:
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the extra 11 million is incentives


I mean...holy shit.

Is it weird that I almost feel bad for someone who just secured 106 million dollars?
IF healthy, Kemba is the best player to change teams  
Heisenberg : 8/6/2021 9:26 am : link
But he only changed teams because he's not healthy.
He took less to stay,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2021 9:27 am : link
but in NY with the taxes as they are, he's REALLY taking less. So I do feel bad in a way. What's he seeing from that 106, maybe 75?
thats more good news for us...  
Italianju : 8/6/2021 9:30 am : link
we are in great salary cap shape moving forward even after handing out all the deals. Most are 2 years except for fournier/Randle and there is no reason not to give them 3-4 year deals. Im not going to say we definitely could, but if a stud did his FA next year like Beal im pretty sure we could make it work.
RE: RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
stoneman : 8/6/2021 9:34 am : link
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?



I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.



Thats completely fair and i agree i dont think we get a completely healthy walker but i think 85 to 90 percent is realistic


He cannot play any of the back-to-back games (10-7 per season) as well as an above normal scheduled time off (5-7 games). Not too bad if no additional injuries. Just gotta be healthy playoff time.
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nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15324281 stoneman said:
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?



I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.



Thats completely fair and i agree i dont think we get a completely healthy walker but i think 85 to 90 percent is realistic



He cannot play any of the back-to-back games (10-7 per season) as well as an above normal scheduled time off (5-7 games). Not too bad if no additional injuries. Just gotta be healthy playoff time.


that was last year, we dont knkw that to be the case this year, not saying it wont but we dont know he wont be able to play back to backs
Simmons apparently  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 9:56 am : link
doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team
RE: Simmons apparently  
Jon in NYC : 8/6/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15324332 nygiants16 said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team


I just don't know how this is going to happen. Morey is asking for the moon.
RE: Simmons apparently  
JB_in_DC : 8/6/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15324332 nygiants16 said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team


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“He doesn’t want to go to a bad situation. He’s reading the tea leaves. He sees Toronto, he sees Portland and then, being frank being the young socialite that he is, he’s not looking to go to any of those situations. He’s looking to go to the California teams.”


This guy has such a losers mentality its remarkable.
He's too young to know better  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2021 10:10 am : link
Thinking with his lower brain.
RE: RE: Simmons apparently  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15324336 Jon in NYC said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team



I just don't know how this is going to happen. Morey is asking for the moon.


I think the Kings eventually pony up the picks
Maybe if he wanted to pick his destination...  
Italianju : 8/6/2021 10:26 am : link
he should have learned to shoot or not let his team down at the biggest time of year, or not just resigned with PHI. I dont kill the duys who are near FA and kinda force there team to trade them to a small list of teams. But a guy like Simmons who signs a huge deal a season ago or whatever and now he wants to pick where he goes. If im Morey im trading wherever gives me the best offer. Like Lillard has at least given his all to POR for awhile so if they want to do right by him and try to send him where he wants (if he asked out) then thats fine, but SImmons? Gimme a break.
If Simmons is gonna be part of a Dame trade there's was always  
Stu11 : 8/6/2021 10:27 am : link
Gonna have to be a 3rd team. What does a rebuilding Portland team want with that contract and F'd up head.
Markannen wants out of Chicago  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 10:32 am : link
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Mike in NJ : 8/6/2021 10:39 am : link
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IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.



Agree with this, I think hawks are now being overrated based on a nice postseason run. The Hawks were awesome the second half of the season but it’s not like they were significantly better record wise than the Heat and Knicks, it was a dead heat for the last 20 games or so. The Hawks are running it back with the same team while basically everyone else in the East playoff race improved their teams.


Check out the Hawks record under McMillan. Their playoff run was no fluke. They played like that for months. When healthy they didn't need to add anything. Keeping Collins was huge. They are a deep tough team. However they play the games for a reason. Anything can happen. The East will be a dog fight. I think Dame asking out can change everything as I think it will ignite a Knicks-Sixers bidding war.


Yeah, the Hawks were great under McMillan, but it's not like they were far and away better than the Knicks or the Heat. Seems like because of their postseason run people are just assuming they are a lock for a top 4 seed, when I don't think that is the case at all.

The Hawks were 14-6 over the last 20 games, Miami was 13-7, the Knicks were 16-4. Miami and New York made pretty significant improvements during the offseason, Atlanta is running it back.
RE: Markannen wants out of Chicago  
Stu11 : 8/6/2021 10:50 am : link
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That has been a weird situation. Every Bulls sign and trade he's always rumored to be part of it but never is. You'd think a team would be interested but none have been. I have a feeling he signs his quali offer. If he does is he a UFA next year?
RE: RE: Markannen wants out of Chicago  
Jan in DC : 8/6/2021 11:59 am : link
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That has been a weird situation. Every Bulls sign and trade he's always rumored to be part of it but never is. You'd think a team would be interested but none have been. I have a feeling he signs his quali offer. If he does is he a UFA next year?


I wonder if there's an opportunity to sign and trade Markannen for some back of the roster guys (including Knox, Sims, Vildoza, a future 2nd rounder).

Knicks have a logjam roster right now and maybe it could clear up a couple of spots to let some of the 2nd round guys sign.
I wonder how long it would take Clyde  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2021 12:30 pm : link
to stop calling him Markka-tin.
Knicks  
Carl in CT : 8/6/2021 4:28 pm : link
Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.
RE: Knicks  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/6/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15324814 Carl in CT said:
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Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.

Have to walk before you can run.
Kemba officially waived by okc  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 6:44 pm : link
Grimes officially signed by Knicks
RE: Knicks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15324814 Carl in CT said:
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Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.


Now is the long march. Wait and see how RJ and IQ develop. That will be the biggest change of direction for the team.
Rokas told the media today  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 6:56 pm : link
his team overseas is allowing him to play in 3 games, but he said if he plays well and the team wants him he has outs already set up to play this year with Knicks but will go play 1 mlre year if he needs to..
RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15324814 Carl in CT said:
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Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.


Now it is wait and see who the next star is to ask out and keep developing the team
RE: Really  
djm : 8/6/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15323699 DanMetroMan said:
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enjoyed the entire piece. Discussed the fit, gave us the data, was realistic about what it meant for the 2022 Knicks, what it means for Rose/IQ etc.


That was great thanks Dan
RE: Kemba officially waived by okc  
Anakim : 8/6/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15324897 nygiants16 said:
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Grimes officially signed by Knicks


Deuce also signed
Why am I  
Carl in CT : 8/6/2021 10:42 pm : link
Wanting Fournier to light it up against team USA. Knicks over USA? I guess
RE: Why am I  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15325024 Carl in CT said:
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Wanting Fournier to light it up against team USA. Knicks over USA? I guess


you are not alone lol
Chicago and Miami are both screwed  
Strahan91 : 8/7/2021 2:23 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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Reporting with @RamonaShelburne on ESPN: The NBA has opened up investigations into possible tampering violations involving two sign-and-trade deals completed in free agency: New Orleans and Chicago centered on Lonzo Ball, and Toronto and Miami centered on Kyle Lowry. Story soon.

Two years ago, NBA elevated maximum tampering fine to $10M for teams and opened door for suspension of executives, forfeiture of draft picks and voiding of contracts. Team execs can also have their communications – such as phone records, texts and emails – randomly audited.
RE: RE: Simmons apparently  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/7/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15324354 JB_in_DC said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team





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“He doesn’t want to go to a bad situation. He’s reading the tea leaves. He sees Toronto, he sees Portland and then, being frank being the young socialite that he is, he’s not looking to go to any of those situations. He’s looking to go to the California teams.”




This guy has such a losers mentality its remarkable.


That quote is damming, esp. about him wanting to go to CA-and I'm assuming he's excluding the Kings in that too-for the off the court stuff.

I've been a Simmons defender, but his performance in the postseason/the dripping of a lot of 'Does this dude even care?' rumblings are hard to ignore. Embiid has reached out to him &...radio silence. I don't see how he's a 76er come opening night. Too much water under that bridge; first time he misses a FT, the boo birds are coming out in force.
Hey all you Bucks bandwagon fans  
Semipro Lineman : 8/7/2021 7:14 pm : link
with your "They built the team the right way" nonsense. What do you say to this?
Finish Them - ( New Window )
RE: Hey all you Bucks bandwagon fans  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/7/2021 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15325466 Semipro Lineman said:
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with your "They built the team the right way" nonsense. What do you say to this? Finish Them - ( New Window )


Uh, who here are 'bandwagon Bucks fans'? Did I miss something?
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