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NFT: Knicks extend Julius 4 years 117

nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 8:00 am
full value is 5 year 140 according to woj
Wow  
Jon in NYC : 8/5/2021 8:03 am : link
What a steal. Happy Julius secured the bag and thrilled he didn’t just let his contract play out and made us stew next offseason.
Good for him  
Mike in NJ : 8/5/2021 8:04 am : link
Guy played his ass off last year and carried the team. Also seems like a good guy that genuinely loves being a Knick.
Perfect  
adamg : 8/5/2021 8:07 am : link
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Boing!  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 8:08 am : link
Didn’t have to give him max
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 8:10 am : link
This is a surprise, and a good piece of business for the Knicks
39th highest paid player in nba  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 8:11 am : link
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Hate to say this..  
Pete44 : 8/5/2021 8:13 am : link
It is a tradeable contract too, if Zion demands a trade in the next few years.

That being said, Randle deserves the contract and kudos to him for getting this done now and not crippling the Knicks cap.
His max next year  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 8:23 am : link
would of been 5 years 201 million
The Knicks are doing really well this offseason  
Heisenberg : 8/5/2021 8:25 am : link
Randle is a great cornerstone guy to have. Such a warrior and so easy to root for. He dragged that team as far as they got last year. You gotta love a guy that will absolutely give you every single iota of what he has every night. His buy in and leadership deserve as much credit as possible for how the Knicks changed how they played last year. Locked up through his prime.

Love the guy.
More good news from the Knicks. I'm looking forward to the coming  
Ira : 8/5/2021 8:25 am : link
season.
Knicks  
TommyWiseau : 8/5/2021 8:25 am : link
Having a good offseason. We are in a good position to make a trade too. Hope the rumor that the Rose and Noel contracts are team options for year 3 are true
love to see it. Randle is all in.  
Heisenberg : 8/5/2021 8:26 am : link

Ian Begley
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st
I really feel like they have their eyes on Zion  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 8:26 am : link
And you can see they have a plan.
RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
Bob from Massachusetts : 8/5/2021 8:30 am : link
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Ian Begley
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st


Possibly the $100M contributed to his thinking?....
RE: I really feel like they have their eyes on Zion  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 8:31 am : link
In comment 15323051 robbieballs2003 said:
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And you can see they have a plan.


And just as importantly, they don't panic and sign 'names' to ridiculous deals.
RE: RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 8:32 am : link
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Ian Begley
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st



Possibly the $100M contributed to his thinking?....


A bird in the hand...

But from the other tweet basically gave up $80M by not waiting until next year to sign.
RE: RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15323054 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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Ian Begley
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st



Possibly the $100M contributed to his thinking?....


He could of signed for 5 years 200 million after next season
Knicks back in cap hell  
Vanzetti : 8/5/2021 8:34 am : link
50 million for Taj and Burks. Guys you can pick up one one year deals every season.

Also love NNs defense but he is another type of guy who is available. Knicks give 32 million?

Julius is a good deal and one that had to be done. But these other filler guys? Yikes
RE: Knicks back in cap hell  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 8:37 am : link
In comment 15323060 Vanzetti said:
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50 million for Taj and Burks. Guys you can pick up one one year deals every season.

Also love NNs defense but he is another type of guy who is available. Knicks give 32 million?

Julius is a good deal and one that had to be done. But these other filler guys? Yikes


Burks, Rose and Noel got 2 years guaranteed. The “32” is if they pick up his option
RE: Knicks back in cap hell  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 8:37 am : link
In comment 15323060 Vanzetti said:
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50 million for Taj and Burks. Guys you can pick up one one year deals every season.

Also love NNs defense but he is another type of guy who is available. Knicks give 32 million?

Julius is a good deal and one that had to be done. But these other filler guys? Yikes


you literally have no idea what you are talking about, cap hell?

Burks, noel and rose are on 2 year deals..

Fournier is on a 3 year deal..

Kemba is on a 2 year deal..

cap hell? hahahaha
RE: Knicks back in cap hell  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15323060 Vanzetti said:
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50 million for Taj and Burks.


Incorrect.
It's 2.7 for Taj and 10/y for 2 years with a team option for Burks. And no one, anywhere thinks 10 per year is at all overpriced for a quality shooter.

You're a few dozen million off.
RE: RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
Heisenberg : 8/5/2021 8:39 am : link
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Ian Begley
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st



Possibly the $100M contributed to his thinking?....


Very rarely do you see a guy take less than the absolute max he can get in any sport and especially in the NBA. Carmelo, for example, never left a single dollar on the table. Players talk about loving cities and fans all the time. Very few back it up by taking less money.
RE: RE: Knicks back in cap hell  
Heisenberg : 8/5/2021 8:41 am : link
In comment 15323064 nygiants16 said:
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50 million for Taj and Burks. Guys you can pick up one one year deals every season.

Also love NNs defense but he is another type of guy who is available. Knicks give 32 million?

Julius is a good deal and one that had to be done. But these other filler guys? Yikes



you literally have no idea what you are talking about, cap hell?

Burks, noel and rose are on 2 year deals..

Fournier is on a 3 year deal..

Kemba is on a 2 year deal..

cap hell? hahahaha


The only negative comments people are making  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 8:45 am : link
Are basically results of PTSD with this franchise. This new regime has really done a masterful job. This team is extremely deep from 1 to 15 right now. No, we are not a legit contender right now but I will take our chances on our second vs. another second unit any day. Our starters have really improved dramatically from last year. We have acquired more assets moving forward. We now have the depth to make a trade when that opportunity presents itself. We are also set up to make a legit run at Zion if we want. What is not to like about where this team is right now and the flexibility they have moving forward?
Team is locked up for the next two years  
adamg : 8/5/2021 8:45 am : link
Likely a decent playoff team. And we have our picks. This is amazing. Scott Perry take a bow.
RE: RE: RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
Dr. D : 8/5/2021 8:46 am : link
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Very rarely do you see a guy take less than the absolute max he can get in any sport and especially in the NBA. Carmelo, for example, never left a single dollar on the table. Players talk about loving cities and fans all the time. Very few back it up by taking less money.

Agree. Randle has made it very easy to root for him. And for me, it's been hard to root for any Knick, for about 20+ years.
Kemba/Fournier/RJ/JR/Mitch  
adamg : 8/5/2021 8:50 am : link
Rose/IQ/Burks/Obi/Noel

That's a really fun and deep rotation.

And three shots for a rookie to break out like IQ did last year, RJ did, or Mitch did. Grimes and McBride to develop. Maaaybe Sims.

We have three consecutive years of hitting on a rookie. No reason to think that stops now. And last year could have been a double dip in the rookie pool with how Obi showed up late in the season. He could break out this year easily and I don't think anyone would be surprised.

Thibs is coaching. Defense should be good.

Two flawless offseasons in a row from this front office.  
bceagle05 : 8/5/2021 8:51 am : link
They’ve earned a lot of trust and confidence going forward.
RE: Knicks back in cap hell  
NYG22 : 8/5/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15323060 Vanzetti said:
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50 million for Taj and Burks. Guys you can pick up one one year deals every season.

Also love NNs defense but he is another type of guy who is available. Knicks give 32 million?

Julius is a good deal and one that had to be done. But these other filler guys? Yikes


This wins the "dumbest post of the week" contest.
RE: Knicks back in cap hell  
Furman : 8/5/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15323060 Vanzetti said:
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50 million for Taj and Burks. Guys you can pick up one one year deals every season.

Also love NNs defense but he is another type of guy who is available. Knicks give 32 million?

Julius is a good deal and one that had to be done. But these other filler guys? Yikes


Cap hell was trading Ewing for two bad contracts, then flipping those contracts for even worse contracts. This is not cap hell. This is keeping a team together, with short deals (2+1), where all those deals are trade-able.

Cap space is only as useful as the free agents who want to come to you. The next two free agent classes are subpar. Three years from now, that's when you got guys like Zion, Booker and Towns, coming available... and that's when a lot of these guys will be coming off the books.
RE: RE: RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
moze1021 : 8/5/2021 8:55 am : link
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Ian Begley
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st



Possibly the $100M contributed to his thinking?....



Very rarely do you see a guy take less than the absolute max he can get in any sport and especially in the NBA. Carmelo, for example, never left a single dollar on the table. Players talk about loving cities and fans all the time. Very few back it up by taking less money.


Yup.. and when a guy who can get a max takes less, it's a proven recipe for success..
RE: RE: RE: love to see it. Randle is all in.  
Enzo : 8/5/2021 8:57 am : link
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League sources say part of Julius Randle’s thinking on signing his 4 year, $117M contract extension w/NYK is that he loves the organization/fans & wants to ‘commit his prime to the team.’ Sources add that Randle wants to commit now to give more NYK financial flexibility. ESPN 1st



Possibly the $100M contributed to his thinking?....



Very rarely do you see a guy take less than the absolute max he can get in any sport and especially in the NBA. Carmelo, for example, never left a single dollar on the table. Players talk about loving cities and fans all the time. Very few back it up by taking less money.

I see what you're saying, but Randle did take the absolute max he could get - right now. In order to get more money, he needed to wait until next summer which obviously comes with risk.

And Melo did take a little less money on his second Knick contract.
RE: Two flawless offseasons in a row from this front office.  
Enzo : 8/5/2021 8:58 am : link
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They’ve earned a lot of trust and confidence going forward.

I'm gonna have to see a *little* more from Obi before I call last offseason "flawless", lol.
Fyi just watched the France-Slovenia semifinal  
Stu11 : 8/5/2021 8:59 am : link
Fournier is running point for France. Very interesting seeing as with the sure load management with Kemba and Rose he can fill in there when needed. He was pretty competent, had 23 though he did foul out in the last minute taking an awful charge at mid court. Great game. France won by 1 on a Gobert block in the final seconds. Us-France rematch in the final.
RE: Fyi just watched the France-Slovenia semifinal  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 9:00 am : link
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Fournier is running point for France. Very interesting seeing as with the sure load management with Kemba and Rose he can fill in there when needed. He was pretty competent, had 23 though he did foul out in the last minute taking an awful charge at mid court. Great game. France won by 1 on a Gobert block in the final seconds. Us-France rematch in the final.


When is that?
RE: RE: Fyi just watched the France-Slovenia semifinal  
Stu11 : 8/5/2021 9:03 am : link
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Fournier is running point for France. Very interesting seeing as with the sure load management with Kemba and Rose he can fill in there when needed. He was pretty competent, had 23 though he did foul out in the last minute taking an awful charge at mid court. Great game. France won by 1 on a Gobert block in the final seconds. Us-France rematch in the final.



When is that?

Friday night 10:30 I believe
RE: Fyi just watched the France-Slovenia semifinal  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15323090 Stu11 said:
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Fournier is running point for France. Very interesting seeing as with the sure load management with Kemba and Rose he can fill in there when needed. He was pretty competent, had 23 though he did foul out in the last minute taking an awful charge at mid court. Great game. France won by 1 on a Gobert block in the final seconds. Us-France rematch in the final.


Knicks have 4 guys in their starting lineup who can handle the ball and run pick and roll and each attacks it differently..

RE: Fyi just watched the France-Slovenia semifinal  
Enzo : 8/5/2021 9:10 am : link
In comment 15323090 Stu11 said:
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Fournier is running point for France. Very interesting seeing as with the sure load management with Kemba and Rose he can fill in there when needed. He was pretty competent, had 23 though he did foul out in the last minute taking an awful charge at mid court. Great game. France won by 1 on a Gobert block in the final seconds. Us-France rematch in the final.

there's also Quickley and Burks. The offense should be significantly better given the upgrades from Elf/Bullock to Kemba/Fournier. Thibs is not gonna do it, but we have the pieces to play a lot of interesting small ball lineups.
The one thing that's really thoughtful about this roster  
adamg : 8/5/2021 9:17 am : link
is that the rookies are basically injury depth. We have some guys with injury questions and histories. But if we're all healthy, there's really no room in the rotation for the rookies. That said, that would be an ideal world that we face no injuries. So, it's just an interesting aspect of this team that the rookies are the injury depth.

And not that I'm rooting for injuries at all, but I'm exited to see what we have in McBride, Grimes, and Sims.
17/61 on two point shots vs the Hawks  
shyster : 8/5/2021 9:20 am : link
He doesn't create easy opportunities for himself with any consistency.

He made a remarkable number of contested shots during the season, raising the question: Can he keep doing this?

The answer in the playoffs was: no.

Smart to take the money now.
...  
ryanmkeane : 8/5/2021 9:25 am : link
that's a fantastic deal. Even more reason to like Randle.
RE: 17/61 on two point shots vs the Hawks  
moze1021 : 8/5/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15323110 shyster said:
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He doesn't create easy opportunities for himself with any consistency.

He made a remarkable number of contested shots during the season, raising the question: Can he keep doing this?

The answer in the playoffs was: no.

Smart to take the money now.


He knows he's not a true #1 option and so do the Knicks... he's a sidekick.
JR  
31southst : 8/5/2021 9:31 am : link
I think this makes sense. It is not a huge number in the NBA context for a guy coming off an all star appearance and second team all NBA. That said, regression is very possible and I think it's far from a guarantee Randle would have gotten a max after the year. So Knicks get cost certainty and a potential good contract, Randle gets a guaranteed payout and hedges against big regression or injury. I honestly think the most likely outcome is Randle's shooting numbers come down a little and this ends up being a reasonably fair number for both sides.
RE: 17/61 on two point shots vs the Hawks  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15323110 shyster said:
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He doesn't create easy opportunities for himself with any consistency.

He made a remarkable number of contested shots during the season, raising the question: Can he keep doing this?

The answer in the playoffs was: no.

Smart to take the money now.


Henxe why the Knicks added better shot creators and better shooters to the roster and players who can set him up for better shots
with better guard play  
Enzo : 8/5/2021 9:37 am : link
the ball should be out of his hands more than last year. His assist numbers will dip (which is not a big deal at all) but he should get more easy looks.
The question now is what happens with Obi  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 9:37 am : link
does Thibs play him more with Randle? or does he become trade bait?
RE: The only negative comments people are making  
djm : 8/5/2021 9:42 am : link
In comment 15323072 robbieballs2003 said:
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Are basically results of PTSD with this franchise. This new regime has really done a masterful job. This team is extremely deep from 1 to 15 right now. No, we are not a legit contender right now but I will take our chances on our second vs. another second unit any day. Our starters have really improved dramatically from last year. We have acquired more assets moving forward. We now have the depth to make a trade when that opportunity presents itself. We are also set up to make a legit run at Zion if we want. What is not to like about where this team is right now and the flexibility they have moving forward?


Thank you. PTSD is exactly what some fans are feeling and it's not applicable here anymore.
More than worth it, I think NYK got the better  
Section331 : 8/5/2021 9:43 am : link
end of the deal. JR may not be the best player on a championship team, but I think he can definitely be #2.
Obi should get more minutes.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 9:43 am : link
Randle does not need to play 40 min. I'd also like to see times when Obi and Randle can play the 4/5 together. It won't be often but they should find times to do it.
RE: Obi should get more minutes.  
Enzo : 8/5/2021 9:46 am : link
In comment 15323140 robbieballs2003 said:
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Randle does not need to play 40 min. I'd also like to see times when Obi and Randle can play the 4/5 together. It won't be often but they should find times to do it.

I agree but as of now Obi has three guys ahead of him on the depth chart at center. Obi's gotta come to camp and show he can hang defensinvely or else his role will be limited to Randle's caddy again.
As a lapsed Knick fan kudos go to Dolan first  
arniefez : 8/5/2021 9:47 am : link
Doesn't change who he is as a human being but this thread is about the Knicks and he finally seems to have gotten the right people to run them.

Kudos to Rose, Thibodeau and their staffs too. There's nothing better in NY sports than meaningful NBA games at MSG.

I agree with everything the people on this thread are saying about the job Rose has done since he took over. I'm sure David Stern is looking down and having a laugh thinking it only took 20 years for the Knicks to become a model of intelligent management.

I'm looking forward to watching both MSG teams this season and since this is a Giants board all three seasons can't get here quickly enough.
RE: RE: Obi should get more minutes.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 9:48 am : link
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Randle does not need to play 40 min. I'd also like to see times when Obi and Randle can play the 4/5 together. It won't be often but they should find times to do it.


I agree but as of now Obi has three guys ahead of him on the depth chart at center. Obi's gotta come to camp and show he can hang defensinvely or else his role will be limited to Randle's caddy again.


Obi was great defensively the last month plus of the year.
RE: with better guard play  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 9:50 am : link
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the ball should be out of his hands more than last year. His assist numbers will dip (which is not a big deal at all) but he should get more easy looks.


Probably won't happen with Thibs coaching, but with better depth and other guys that can create/score, they should be able to play him less than 38 mpg which could help come playoff time.

With  
Professor Falken : 8/5/2021 9:50 am : link
Kemba, Fournier and a hopefully improved Obi in the mix, Randle doesn't have to play so many minutes. We talk about load management for the older guards, but Randle looked exhausted in the playoffs.
I'm last one person who should be evaluating NBA players  
arniefez : 8/5/2021 9:52 am : link
But from what I saw last year there are things Obi can do that no one else on the team can do athletically. He was completely lost the first half of the season but in the second half you could see his raw skill set. I wouldn't give up on him so fast and I'll guess that he forces he way into more minutes as the season goes along.
RE: 17/61 on two point shots vs the Hawks  
NYG22 : 8/5/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15323110 shyster said:
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He doesn't create easy opportunities for himself with any consistency.

He made a remarkable number of contested shots during the season, raising the question: Can he keep doing this?

The answer in the playoffs was: no.

Smart to take the money now.


Here is my opinion on Randle. On one hand its "fool's gold" to think Randle should continue to take on a Lebron-like burden in terms of initiating offense in addition to scoring, rebounding etc. As a secondary facilitator though, he is well equipped with recently developed skills (big jump from years prior). But I love him in an environment where there is a viable lead guard as opposed to Elfrid Payton and with added shooting/playmaking from the wing (replacing Bullock w Fournier).
RE: The question now is what happens with Obi  
larryflower37 : 8/5/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15323131 nygiants16 said:
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does Thibs play him more with Randle? or does he become trade bait?


Obi is a great problem to have, work him in slow take minutes from Randle, and give him rest. He only averaged 11 minutes last year if he can play 15-20 this year you can bring Randle to 35 minutes.
If he develops into a lottery-level talent you can move Randle on his last year or trade Obi before his 2nd deal.
I can't find the stats and plus/minus isn't the best stat  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 10:04 am : link
But when you look at the stat every game it tells a lot. The last month or so of the season, Obi was always one of the top Knicks in plus minus. And over that extended period of time I think it does tell a good story. His defense was greatly improved. His rotations were great and he made some awesome defensive plays. I'm not saying he's going to be able to handle one on one matchups against centers but he has a much better understanding mentally of how to play defense and he puts in the work. His growth was great for a rookie. On top of that, we can't just kill a player and say he doesn't do X well without looking at the whole picture. Putting him on the court against specific players is most likely a huge advantage for him offensively. That is why Obi looked so good in the playoffs. When Capela went to the bench nobody could match Obi's athleticism. We need to make teams adapt to us just as much as we adapt to them. Just like Mitch and Noel provide defense and limited offense, you can make an argument that Obi provides offense and just enough defense to warrant giving him those opportunities.
and it's not just total minutes Randle played  
giants#1 : 8/5/2021 10:05 am : link
Having the offense feed through him every time down also means that basically all of his minutes were high intensity minutes. If you've got other stars or guys that can initiate the offense, you can use him as a decoy often and allow him to conserve some energy.
RE: and it's not just total minutes Randle played  
NYG22 : 8/5/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15323175 giants#1 said:
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Having the offense feed through him every time down also means that basically all of his minutes were high intensity minutes. If you've got other stars or guys that can initiate the offense, you can use him as a decoy often and allow him to conserve some energy.


We agree 100%. See my post a few up. Different ways of saying the same thing.
RE: I can't find the stats and plus/minus isn't the best stat  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 10:14 am : link
In comment 15323173 robbieballs2003 said:
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But when you look at the stat every game it tells a lot. The last month or so of the season, Obi was always one of the top Knicks in plus minus. And over that extended period of time I think it does tell a good story. His defense was greatly improved. His rotations were great and he made some awesome defensive plays. I'm not saying he's going to be able to handle one on one matchups against centers but he has a much better understanding mentally of how to play defense and he puts in the work. His growth was great for a rookie. On top of that, we can't just kill a player and say he doesn't do X well without looking at the whole picture. Putting him on the court against specific players is most likely a huge advantage for him offensively. That is why Obi looked so good in the playoffs. When Capela went to the bench nobody could match Obi's athleticism. We need to make teams adapt to us just as much as we adapt to them. Just like Mitch and Noel provide defense and limited offense, you can make an argument that Obi provides offense and just enough defense to warrant giving him those opportunities.


The bench was just good overall, much better than thr starters and obi was 100% part of that and hr absolutely played better, stop settling and started attacking more..
There he is  
ghost718 : 8/5/2021 10:16 am : link
The straw that stirs the drink

The drink? Don't ask

I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 10:19 am : link
think due to necessity Thibs ran Randle into the ground last year. I hope Obi sees more minutes this season. He came on strong late.
RE: RE: I can't find the stats and plus/minus isn't the best stat  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 10:25 am : link
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But when you look at the stat every game it tells a lot. The last month or so of the season, Obi was always one of the top Knicks in plus minus. And over that extended period of time I think it does tell a good story. His defense was greatly improved. His rotations were great and he made some awesome defensive plays. I'm not saying he's going to be able to handle one on one matchups against centers but he has a much better understanding mentally of how to play defense and he puts in the work. His growth was great for a rookie. On top of that, we can't just kill a player and say he doesn't do X well without looking at the whole picture. Putting him on the court against specific players is most likely a huge advantage for him offensively. That is why Obi looked so good in the playoffs. When Capela went to the bench nobody could match Obi's athleticism. We need to make teams adapt to us just as much as we adapt to them. Just like Mitch and Noel provide defense and limited offense, you can make an argument that Obi provides offense and just enough defense to warrant giving him those opportunities.



The bench was just good overall, much better than thr starters and obi was 100% part of that and hr absolutely played better, stop settling and started attacking more..


Yes but compared to even the other bench guys his plus minus was always one of the best. Again, not the end all be all but I think it speaks to how well he was playing overall on both ends of the floor when he was on the court.
The  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 10:29 am : link
Knicks will finish over .500 (assuming no major injury to JR) and will be a 4-6 seed without giving up the future, and have chips to trade. What's not to like? They weren't signing Chris Paul.
RE: I really feel like they have their eyes on Zion  
Optimus-NY : 8/5/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15323051 robbieballs2003 said:
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And you can see they have a plan.


I agree. It feels like Zion has his eyes on the NYK too.
people who are complaining...  
Italianju : 8/5/2021 10:34 am : link
are just not going to be happy unless we sign KD, Kawhi, trade for lillard, and Donovan Mitchell to come over for the MLE. This was a strong offseason, they improved an already solid team that is filled with mostly players either in their prime (Randle, Fournier) or still improving (RJ, IQ, Obi, Mitch) and then a few key vets to fill out the rotation. Look had we signed Chris Paul everyone would be whining how bad the last 2 years of that deal will be. I am pumped for next year. We have been awful for so long that its not like if we are the 6 seed in a strong east im going to be dissapointed.
Remember to everyonr says Kemba was terrible last year  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 10:37 am : link
he was 20 and 5, that was his terrible, and he replaces the worst point guard in the NBA, he was 28, 5 and 5 to finish the year last year on 50% shooting..
Obi  
Pete44 : 8/5/2021 10:46 am : link
I can't see where Obi is not a trade chip at this point. Thibs has shown no inclination to play him at the 5. They just resigned Noel as a backup.

I have to feel Obi is trade bait and I have heard he would not mind being traded to a place he can get more time.

The summer league will be interesting as they try build up his value. I truly believe he is a chip for Myles Turner. He would be a good athletic 4 to play with Sabonis.
RE: Obi  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15323220 Pete44 said:
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I can't see where Obi is not a trade chip at this point. Thibs has shown no inclination to play him at the 5. They just resigned Noel as a backup.

I have to feel Obi is trade bait and I have heard he would not mind being traded to a place he can get more time.

The summer league will be interesting as they try build up his value. I truly believe he is a chip for Myles Turner. He would be a good athletic 4 to play with Sabonis.


Seems like Obi would have been traded at/during the draft and/or before they filled out their roster. Sure, if Myles Turner is somehow traded but there is no other backup 4 on the roster nor did it appear they tried adding one via draft or FA. Noel/Mitch can't play the 4.
Myles  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 10:55 am : link
Turner is also mentioned in trades what seems like every off-season yet is never actually moved.
RE: Remember to everyonr says Kemba was terrible last year  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2021 10:59 am : link
In comment 15323213 nygiants16 said:
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he was 20 and 5, that was his terrible, and he replaces the worst point guard in the NBA, he was 28, 5 and 5 to finish the year last year on 50% shooting..

It was a tale of two seasons for Kemba which makes sense in context. Second half post-all star break he was much better and his numbers looked just as they did in the previous year when he was an all-star. Because of the stem cell injection just prior to the season and trying to recover on the fly, second half Kemba is the one we should get assuming he stays healthy.
I can’t say that I love the extension simply because he was SO bad  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/5/2021 11:07 am : link
in the postseason that I would’ve preferred to see Randle do it again before I extended him. (Yes, I know that would be more expensive.) But I’m not going to kill it. There’s just more risk going in. I truly hope that he can pick up where he left off and that the depth of the roster, as well as an improving RJ and Obi, takes some of the load off of his shoulders.

Good for him. He earned it.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:11 am : link
really like the Walker move but I wouldn't assume his knee is "fine". He looked absolutely awful vs. the Nets and then missed 2 games due to the knee and Woj noted when the OKC deal went down that they had doubts his knee would hold up enough for him to be a major contributor for the length of the deal. I suspect he'll be a bit of a cocktease, good stretch of games, games missed due to the knee and games in between.
Blazers  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:19 am : link
"considering" Milsap and Oubre? Dame must be over the moon with excitement.
RE: Blazers  
Jon in NYC : 8/5/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15323253 DanMetroMan said:
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"considering" Milsap and Oubre? Dame must be over the moon with excitement.


I actually think both guys would help them. He has his issues but I think Oubre has untapped upside.
RE: I  
Semipro Lineman : 8/5/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15323245 DanMetroMan said:
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really like the Walker move but I wouldn't assume his knee is "fine". He looked absolutely awful vs. the Nets and then missed 2 games due to the knee and Woj noted when the OKC deal went down that they had doubts his knee would hold up enough for him to be a major contributor for the length of the deal. I suspect he'll be a bit of a cocktease, good stretch of games, games missed due to the knee and games in between.


Agreed but to put that in perspective, Walker is coming over to be a major contributor this season instead of being a savior with the burden of carrying the team to success. Given both his and Rose's recent injury history and the need to managed their minute, I bet that Luca Vildoza is given a bigger role in the rotation than most would suspect
RE: RE: Blazers  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15323257 Jon in NYC said:
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"considering" Milsap and Oubre? Dame must be over the moon with excitement.



I actually think both guys would help them. He has his issues but I think Oubre has untapped upside.


He's asked for help and this is the best they can offer? Milsap (while still a solid player) is turning 37 in Feb
I think a big part of Randles troubles in the playoffs  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 11:24 am : link
was besides rose, no one coukd create their own shot and the 3 ball was not falling, Hawks basically doubled Randle on every possession..
RE: RE: RE: Blazers  
Jon in NYC : 8/5/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15323261 DanMetroMan said:
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"considering" Milsap and Oubre? Dame must be over the moon with excitement.



I actually think both guys would help them. He has his issues but I think Oubre has untapped upside.



He's asked for help and this is the best they can offer? Milsap (while still a solid player) is turning 37 in Feb


Yeah totally. Their only path is to trade CJ for someone else and hope for the best.
RE: I think a big part of Randles troubles in the playoffs  
Jon in NYC : 8/5/2021 11:26 am : link
In comment 15323262 nygiants16 said:
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was besides rose, no one coukd create their own shot and the 3 ball was not falling, Hawks basically doubled Randle on every possession..


Totally, he just tried to do everything himself. Clearly was off his game.
The  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:27 am : link
Hawks so totally curb-stomped the Knicks (and looked so good in the playoffs in general). I refuse to put the Knicks ahead of them. I do not see them as a fluke at all.
RE: RE: I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15323260 Semipro Lineman said:
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really like the Walker move but I wouldn't assume his knee is "fine". He looked absolutely awful vs. the Nets and then missed 2 games due to the knee and Woj noted when the OKC deal went down that they had doubts his knee would hold up enough for him to be a major contributor for the length of the deal. I suspect he'll be a bit of a cocktease, good stretch of games, games missed due to the knee and games in between.



Agreed but to put that in perspective, Walker is coming over to be a major contributor this season instead of being a savior with the burden of carrying the team to success. Given both his and Rose's recent injury history and the need to managed their minute, I bet that Luca Vildoza is given a bigger role in the rotation than most would suspect


They also have IQ. I know some think he can be developed into a PG but I still see him as more of a Lou Williams 2.0.
RE: The  
Jon in NYC : 8/5/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15323267 DanMetroMan said:
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Hawks so totally curb-stomped the Knicks (and looked so good in the playoffs in general). I refuse to put the Knicks ahead of them. I do not see them as a fluke at all.


They also went and beat the top seeded Sixers. They're pretty legit.
If his knee is arthritic, he will never be fine  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2021 11:29 am : link
He didn't play back-to-back games in Boston, and I read he's already had 3 stem cell treatments on his knee.

Kemba fans, and Kemba himself say he needs time to rest. He did not have an offseason last year between the schedule and playing in the World Cup for team USA.

The only concern I have for kemba is can he give us 55 games. He already showed he can still play.
I want to amend this to say  
Semipro Lineman : 8/5/2021 11:32 am : link
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Walker is coming over to be a major contributor this season instead of being a savior with the burden of carrying the team to success.


that Walker's role as the primary playmaker for team will be a major contributor to the team's success but he isn't the only playmaker on the roster (like he would have been if he joined before last year's season opener) and there is now sufficient playmaking ability from others in the starting lineup to make his absence from the lineup more easily manageable for the Knicks.
Obi  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:33 am : link
12 regular-season games shot 56% from the field, 44% from 3.


I'd like to see him shoot less 3's (while keeping it part of his game) and see Thibs and Co. try to adjust what they do a bit when he's in vs. Randle. I think part of Obi's issues stemmed from the lack of adjustment to the offense. He's not randle, different skillsets. Also would make sense to push the pace more when Obi is in there.
RE: If his knee is arthritic, he will never be fine  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15323272 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He didn't play back-to-back games in Boston, and I read he's already had 3 stem cell treatments on his knee.

Kemba fans, and Kemba himself say he needs time to rest. He did not have an offseason last year between the schedule and playing in the World Cup for team USA.

The only concern I have for kemba is can he give us 55 games. He already showed he can still play.


A big part of the problem for him last year was the rush start to the season and then he rushed back and it just never worked..
RE: The  
Greg from LI : 8/5/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15323267 DanMetroMan said:
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Hawks so totally curb-stomped the Knicks (and looked so good in the playoffs in general). I refuse to put the Knicks ahead of them. I do not see them as a fluke at all.


Fluke is too strong but I do think they played a bit over their heads. Kevin Huerter generally sucks ass - doubt he plays the way he did in the playoffs for an extended period of time.
I don’t think Obi is trade bait just yet  
wigs in nyc : 8/5/2021 11:39 am : link
we need two PFs, don’t we? This entire roster is built now to keep everyone fresh, and hopefully he makes the most of some increased minutes this year.
RE: The  
Chris684 : 8/5/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15323267 DanMetroMan said:
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Hawks so totally curb-stomped the Knicks (and looked so good in the playoffs in general). I refuse to put the Knicks ahead of them. I do not see them as a fluke at all.


I totally agree. And love him or hate him, Trae Young is a star on his way to becoming a superstar.
RE: RE: The  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15323288 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15323267 DanMetroMan said:


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Hawks so totally curb-stomped the Knicks (and looked so good in the playoffs in general). I refuse to put the Knicks ahead of them. I do not see them as a fluke at all.



Fluke is too strong but I do think they played a bit over their heads. Kevin Huerter generally sucks ass - doubt he plays the way he did in the playoffs for an extended period of time.


Check their record/numbers once McMillen took over. Assuming Young is healthy they will be very good.
Jalen  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:43 am : link
Johnson/Cooper were also a nice pair to pickup in the draft, we'll see what they add as rookies but very solid combo to add to that roster.
As much as I love what the NYKs did  
NYG22 : 8/5/2021 11:47 am : link
Teams I have ranked above them in the East:

Nets but susceptibility to injury and long term outlook isn't fantastic. Still, its smart gamble to go for it and impressive to execute their roster plan as they have.

Bucks for obvious reasons.

Philly although this is somewhat in flux with Embiid always being an injury risk and also very dependent on the Simmons trade haul.

Atlanta is young, talented and deep. Plus Nate Mac is an outstanding coach. I see no reason to question them being in the top 4.

Miami. Much of this depends on how long Lowry stays in the upper tier, but one would think this is a 50 win team at a minimum.

I would NOT rank Boston, Washington, Indiana or anyone else above NYK.
Hawks  
GMEN46 : 8/5/2021 11:51 am : link
Anyone who is saying they are not legit is clueless about basketball. They absolutely dominated the Knicks and deserved to win. They played hard, they were coached well, played good defense. I hate Trae young, but he is a game changer. Hawks are fo real and they had so many injury issues throughout the year last year. If they stay healthy to me they are the 4th best team in the east and maybe better than Philly. Even the kid they drafted from USC showed some quality minutes towards the end of the year.
With Collins back I put the Hawks in the top 3 in the east  
Stu11 : 8/5/2021 11:56 am : link
Their record with McMillan as coach says it all.
Knox  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 12:17 pm : link
Will miss summer league due to health and safety protocols
RE: Knox  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15323321 DanMetroMan said:
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Will miss summer league due to health and safety protocols


Is it bad that i was dissapointed he was going to play?
The Hawks are the real deal  
Pete44 : 8/5/2021 12:24 pm : link
If you think the Hawks are not the real deal, you are mistaken.

Trae Young is going to get even better

Cam Reddish/D'Andre Hunter are up and coming wing players that did not play that much in the playoffs

The USC center that was a rookie last year is talented

Gallo/Bojan/Huerter can really open up the floor

Cooper/Johnson are steals

The Hawks are a problem for the long term in the East.
I do wonder how much the rule change  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 12:31 pm : link
will effect Trae, besides Harden there was no one who benefited more from the whistle than Trae..

I dont know if Huerter is as good as he was in thr Playoffs, he was lights out 3 poiny shooter in the playoffs..

I really like Hunter if he can stay healthy, he gave Barrett fits in that first round series..

Hawks  
31southst : 8/5/2021 12:36 pm : link
I think the Hawks are legit and would pick them above the Knicks so don't take this wrong way, but way does everyone talk up Reddish so much? He shot below 40% at Duke and both years with ATL (he was hurt this year but still a 20+ game sample size). Why do we think he's good?
RE: Hawks  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15323341 31southst said:
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I think the Hawks are legit and would pick them above the Knicks so don't take this wrong way, but way does everyone talk up Reddish so much? He shot below 40% at Duke and both years with ATL (he was hurt this year but still a 20+ game sample size). Why do we think he's good?


I think it's as simple as huge HS prospects are given more leash/interest. Finished the year well (including the playoffs) giving some "hope" to him figuring it out.
RE: Hawks  
NYG22 : 8/5/2021 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15323341 31southst said:
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I think the Hawks are legit and would pick them above the Knicks so don't take this wrong way, but way does everyone talk up Reddish so much? He shot below 40% at Duke and both years with ATL (he was hurt this year but still a 20+ game sample size). Why do we think he's good?


Totally agree. Reddish has his moments and totally looks the part but I don't think he has the necessary mindset for sustainable success. He has a little bit of Deangelo Russell in him in that he has talent and wants to be a star, acts like a star...but has very little of the necessary intangibles to actually be a star.
...  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:22 pm : link
. Via NBA insider Marc Stein: “The Mavs have zero interest in Schroder. It’s staggering that he turned down the 84M offer from the Lakers. This is tough to watch, there’s been so little Schroder discussion. Tough stuff, tough to watch.”
Chad Ford  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:28 pm : link
66 Aamir Simms

Clemson
Senior
Power Forward
6'8.5" | 234 | Wingspan: 7’0.5” | Standing Reach: 8’11”
Age on draft night: 22.5

Signed with: New York Knicks

John Hollinger wrote that Simms “might be the most underrated player in the draft.” He had great numbers at Clemson and has the combination of size and skill that most teams covet in a big man. Alas, he’s not a great athlete and that caused him to slide.

Simms will join the Knicks’ Summer League roster. But with New York having drafted three players — Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride and Jericho Sims — making the team will be an uphill climb for Simms.
Hollinger-  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:30 pm : link
41. Aamir Simms, PF, Clemson, Senior

I think Simms might be the most underrated player in the draft. He was a four-year starter in the ACC, but managed to stay entirely under the radar; when people talk about Clemson sports they aren’t discussing the basketball team.

Nonetheless, every time I watched ACC tape I kept thinking “this guy is pretty good.“ Simms was quietly solid at the G League elite camp as well, and I was surprised he didn’t get the call to the main combine.

Measuring 6-foot-7 1/2 in socks with a 7-foot ¼ wingspan, Simms has the size and frame to play power forward but offers a surprising amount of skill at that spot. He shot 40.0 percent on 3s as a senior and 82.5 percent from the line, and his development as a passer is worth noting as well (5.7 dimes per 100 in ACC games).

Simms isn’t an amazing freak or anything; he’s a bit thick and slow and often played at 5 for Clemson. It’s possible he’s just not athletic enough for the league. Nonetheless, he likely can fill the forward position with just enough skill, playmaking and size to get you through 15 minutes a night, and there’s a chance he could develop into more.
RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15323423 DanMetroMan said:
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. Via NBA insider Marc Stein: “The Mavs have zero interest in Schroder. It’s staggering that he turned down the 84M offer from the Lakers. This is tough to watch, there’s been so little Schroder discussion. Tough stuff, tough to watch.”


It's an incredible story. Either his agent is am absolute knucklehead or he himself is.
I like the Hawks better than Boston or the 76ers  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 1:37 pm : link
so the 2nd team in the East as far as I'm concerned.

Still don't have anyone that can guard Trae but Fournier and Kemba could help a lot taking advantage of his defensive weaknesses.

Obi taking a step forward would be big IMO to matchup better against them. It already helps to have way better outside shooters at G but if you can play Obi / Randle 4 and 5 you could maybe make Capela sit...
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:39 pm : link
have to believe Schroder is at fault here. So little interest around the league and Magic Johnson taking shots at him. Has to be something going on there.
Didn't Schroder not want to go to LA to begin with?  
Anakim : 8/5/2021 1:40 pm : link
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RE: I like the Hawks better than Boston or the 76ers  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15323448 NoGainDayne said:
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so the 2nd team in the East as far as I'm concerned.

Still don't have anyone that can guard Trae but Fournier and Kemba could help a lot taking advantage of his defensive weaknesses.

Obi taking a step forward would be big IMO to matchup better against them. It already helps to have way better outside shooters at G but if you can play Obi / Randle 4 and 5 you could maybe make Capela sit...


You have the Hawks ahead of either the defending champs or the Nets? I couldn't go that far. But 3-4 range for sure.
RE: I like the Hawks better than Boston or the 76ers  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15323448 NoGainDayne said:
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so the 2nd team in the East as far as I'm concerned.

Still don't have anyone that can guard Trae but Fournier and Kemba could help a lot taking advantage of his defensive weaknesses.

Obi taking a step forward would be big IMO to matchup better against them. It already helps to have way better outside shooters at G but if you can play Obi / Randle 4 and 5 you could maybe make Capela sit...


what does Boston have to do with top 2 in the east?
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:46 pm : link
go

Nets/Bucks tier 1

Sixers/Hawks tier 2

Knicks/Heat/Pacers/Celtics/Bulls tier 3 with Miami ahead of the Knicks but the Knicks potentially as good as the rest.
Hollinger-  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 1:48 pm : link
Based on my BORD$ ratings, only six free agents remain who project to deliver more than $6 million in value for 2021-22: Pelicans restricted free agents Josh Hart, Bulls restricted free agent Lauri Markkanen, Lakers point guard Dennis Schröder, Nuggets power forward Paul Millsap, Clippers guard Reggie Jackson and Warriors forward Kelly Oubre.
..  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 1:55 pm : link
NBA Analysis Network
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"There are people around the league that still believe it is possible." Eyes

-Jake Fischer (
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Begley  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 2:01 pm : link
At the moment, the club has room for a couple two-way players and another player on a standard NBA deal. But they have to agree to terms with McBride and Jericho Sims. Assuming they reach deals with both players, there will be room for another player on either a standard NBA deal or two-way contract.

The Knicks and Walker are expected to agree on a two-year deal worth roughly $8 million annually, a source confirmed.

This means Walker is expected to take up the rest of the Knicks’ cap space.

They will have to use exceptions to sign the 15th player. The Knicks have the $4.9 million room exception and can use veteran’s minimum exceptions.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 2:12 pm : link
“Joel Embiid has reached out to him several times since the end of the season,” NBA reporter Jason Dumas said during a recent radio appearance. “He hasn’t returned Joel Embiid’s calls. He hasn’t been in touch with many other of the players, and he’s essentially taken a step back and said, ‘Hey, all my communication is going to be through my agent.”
RE: ..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2021 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15323495 nygiants16 said:
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NBA Analysis Network
@HoopAnalysisNet
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"There are people around the league that still believe it is possible." Eyes

-Jake Fischer (
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It is happening.
Not as worried about Kemba's health  
PhilSimms15 : 8/5/2021 2:33 pm : link
as maybe some.

The Knicks will have the luxury of splitting PG time with three talented players:
Kemba, DRose, and IQ. Kemba can play 20, Rose 20 and IQ 8. Quickley is not a pure point but can definitely play the position at the NBA level.

And even if Thibs does not need to keep Drose and Kemba's minutes down that far, he could go 24 and 24 and get IQ his 15-20 at the two.

The depth on this team is very impressive. At the 2/3 we have RJ, IQ, Burks, Fournier -- someone is not going to be happy with minutes at a premium.
IQ  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 2:36 pm : link
Senior aka Lou Williams back to Atl, 1 year 5.
RE: .  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15323521 DanMetroMan said:
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“Joel Embiid has reached out to him several times since the end of the season,” NBA reporter Jason Dumas said during a recent radio appearance. “He hasn’t returned Joel Embiid’s calls. He hasn’t been in touch with many other of the players, and he’s essentially taken a step back and said, ‘Hey, all my communication is going to be through my agent.”


Who is this in regards to?
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15323575 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15323521 DanMetroMan said:


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“Joel Embiid has reached out to him several times since the end of the season,” NBA reporter Jason Dumas said during a recent radio appearance. “He hasn’t returned Joel Embiid’s calls. He hasn’t been in touch with many other of the players, and he’s essentially taken a step back and said, ‘Hey, all my communication is going to be through my agent.”



Who is this in regards to?


Simmons
Knicks Roster  
31southst : 8/5/2021 2:45 pm : link
Don't they have a full 15 assuming the rookies sign? Just sorting into a 3 deep for ease of reference:

C - Mitch/Noel/Taj
PF - JR/Obi/Knox
SF - Fournier/Burks/Grimes
SG - RJ/IQ/Vildoza
PG - Kemba/Rose/Deuce

Guessing the two-ways are Pinson and Sims.
RE: Knicks Roster  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2021 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15323580 31southst said:
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Don't they have a full 15 assuming the rookies sign? Just sorting into a 3 deep for ease of reference:

C - Mitch/Noel/Taj
PF - JR/Obi/Knox
SF - Fournier/Burks/Grimes
SG - RJ/IQ/Vildoza
PG - Kemba/Rose/Deuce

Guessing the two-ways are Pinson and Sims.


That's the thing. The 2nd round picks can have a 2 way deal and go to the G League. So a decision has to he made if it'll be more productive for them to practice with the team or play in games in the G League.
Rookies  
31southst : 8/5/2021 2:56 pm : link
Can't any rookie have a full contract and still be sent to the G-league or am I mixing that up?
RE: Rookies  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15323592 31southst said:
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Can't any rookie have a full contract and still be sent to the G-league or am I mixing that up?


they have to agree to it
2 way  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 2:59 pm : link
deals don't count against the 15 man. Guaranteed deal players can still be sent to the Gleague. There is even one roster spot allowed to house an NBA veteran with 5 or more NBA seasons (this is new and began this past season). So yes, they could sign Sims to a guaranteed deal and still have him appear in G-League games.
NYK  
31southst : 8/5/2021 3:17 pm : link
For those who subscribe to the Athletic, they just posted a really good write up of the Knicks free agency by Partnow, Vecenie, and Leroux. Upshot is you can quibble on the margins but everyone thinks they have a coherent plan and haven't mortgaged the future, which is a good place to be.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 3:24 pm : link
don't think Zach Harper is purposely hating on the Knicks (I don't think he updated any of his grades) but how do you have a published "grade the moves" piece and then not update when things like guaranteed years are released? I too didn't "love" Burks/Noel/Rose at 3 guaranteed each or Fournier at 4... but now we know the actual deals...
This  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 3:49 pm : link
is a must read
Link - ( New Window )
RE: This  
Del Shofner : 8/5/2021 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15323679 DanMetroMan said:
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is a must read Link - ( New Window )


Yup, good overview of the situation.
RE: This  
Mike from SI : 8/5/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15323679 DanMetroMan said:
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is a must read Link - ( New Window )


Thanks for posting this, Dan.
Really  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 4:05 pm : link
enjoyed the entire piece. Discussed the fit, gave us the data, was realistic about what it meant for the 2022 Knicks, what it means for Rose/IQ etc.
How long before Zion is in NY?  
Vanzetti : 8/5/2021 5:01 pm : link
1.Sign Schroeder with a wink and nod about future contract

2. Trade Julius, Quick, Knox, a number 1 and two number 2s for Zion

Starting Lineup

Kemba
Schroeder
RJ
Zion
MItch


Bench: Rose, Fournier, Deuce, Burks, NN.

Left Odi out of trade by accident  
Vanzetti : 8/5/2021 5:01 pm : link
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I used to like Schroder a lot  
Mike from SI : 8/5/2021 5:05 pm : link
but after last year I'm kind of iffy on him.
RE: How long before Zion is in NY?  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15323769 Vanzetti said:
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1.Sign Schroeder with a wink and nod about future contract

2. Trade Julius, Quick, Knox, a number 1 and two number 2s for Zion

Starting Lineup

Kemba
Schroeder
RJ
Zion
MItch


Bench: Rose, Fournier, Deuce, Burks, NN.


you are lost, Schroeder is terrible and Knicks have no cap space
Come ny16  
adamg : 8/5/2021 5:15 pm : link
NO would totally accept that trade/s
The  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 5:22 pm : link
Knicks only have 4.9 million they can spend and they just added Kemba Walker to go with Derrick Rose. They aren't adding Schroeder. The starting lineup is (obviously Thibs is weird sometimes with Mitch but...

Walker-PG
Fournier-SG
Barrett-SF
Randle-PF
Mitch-C


Noel-C
Burks-G
Obi-PF
Grimes-G
Knox-SF
IQ- SG
Rose-PG
Vildoza-PG
Gibson-PF


Sims/McBride we'll see what kind of contracts they get
RE: This  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15323679 DanMetroMan said:
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is a must read Link - ( New Window )

Good read for sure. The one point I don't really agree with is that the Heat are clearly a tier above the Knicks. They might better than the Knicks next year but last season the two teams were roughly equal. Lowry is 35 years old and for the first time started to decline a bit (albeit not much) last year.

Would anyone really be surprised though if a healthy Kemba is better next year than Lowry? Not to mention the Knicks added Fournier as well and have two rookies who showed promise and should in theory be better in year 2.
RE: RE: I like the Hawks better than Boston or the 76ers  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15323455 DanMetroMan said:
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so the 2nd team in the East as far as I'm concerned.

Still don't have anyone that can guard Trae but Fournier and Kemba could help a lot taking advantage of his defensive weaknesses.

Obi taking a step forward would be big IMO to matchup better against them. It already helps to have way better outside shooters at G but if you can play Obi / Randle 4 and 5 you could maybe make Capela sit...



You have the Hawks ahead of either the defending champs or the Nets? I couldn't go that far. But 3-4 range for sure.


Yeah Hawks 3 my bad lol. I was thinking the Bucks, selective memory on the the Nets as it pains me to watch them be as good as they are. But I could easily see the Hawks taking them in the playoffs if their young players all improve and the Nets have any health issues (which I wouldn't call unlikely)



IF HEALTHY  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 5:32 pm : link
yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 5:43 pm : link
think the Heat are better than the Knicks but an entire "tier"? That I disagree with. Like I said above I'd go

Nets/Bucks
Sixers/Hawks

and then 5 teams that are of roughly similar talent levels. I give the nod to Miami because we've seen that group raise their level of play (and Lowry and Tucker are battle-tested) but I wouldn't bet money they will finish with a record far better than the Knicks. For both teams losing Butler or Randle would be crippling.
RE: IF HEALTHY  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15323797 nygiants16 said:
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?


I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.
I'm down on the Sixers although not my favorite matchup for the Knicks  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 5:50 pm : link
I actually like how the Knicks matchup against the Nets the best of the big teams.

I think the Sixers are in bad shape unless Simmons gets his shit sorted out. Which has to be at best a toss up as I see it. But if he does, they are as good as anyone
Lonzo was the one guy who I was hoping we'd grab  
NoGainDayne : 8/5/2021 5:56 pm : link
getting his FT% up to 78% was huge for me and the 3's came to a very respectable level.

I think he could really shine in Chicago (or could have in NY) but is honestly a better fit in Chicago.

But yeah I think it's Lowry for me as the biggest impact. If he gels well with that team I could see them winning the East (although i'd put them 4 or 5 in ranking) but yeah if they do compete it will because he had a major impact. You can never rule out the Heat, Riley is a real wizard. I can't believe we ever let him out of NY

RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
widmerseyebrow : 8/5/2021 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15323804 DanMetroMan said:
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I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.


I think that's a pretty grounded take. If we didn't have Rose in the fold I'd be nervous about relying on Kemba to take us to another level. Having both of them is a nice situation.
RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2021 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15323804 DanMetroMan said:
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?



I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.


Thats completely fair and i agree i dont think we get a completely healthy walker but i think 85 to 90 percent is realistic
RE: RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
Stu11 : 8/5/2021 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15323822 widmerseyebrow said:
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I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.



I think that's a pretty grounded take. If we didn't have Rose in the fold I'd be nervous about relying on Kemba to take us to another level. Having both of them is a nice situation.

Yep Charlotte and Boston were counting on him to play 30+ minutes we won't be. We are probably looking for more in the 20-25 range. So while his knees are a huge question mark and can be a ticking time bomb, the time management should help. Also this off season will be the most rest he's had in 3 years.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2021 7:08 pm : link
IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.
RE: ...  
Mike in NJ : 8/5/2021 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15323873 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.


Agree with this, I think hawks are now being overrated based on a nice postseason run. The Hawks were awesome the second half of the season but it’s not like they were significantly better record wise than the Heat and Knicks, it was a dead heat for the last 20 games or so. The Hawks are running it back with the same team while basically everyone else in the East playoff race improved their teams.
And a huge part of that nice post-season run by the Hawks  
Semipro Lineman : 8/5/2021 8:43 pm : link
was arguably one of the biggest post-season choke jobs in the last five years by Philly. I think the Hawks deserved most of the credit they are been given in this thread but not all of it...
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2021 11:53 pm : link
Per @NYPost_Berman, Mitchell Robinson is in fact still in a walking boot #Knicks
RE: RE: ...  
Stu11 : 8/6/2021 12:27 am : link
In comment 15323936 Mike in NJ said:
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IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.



Agree with this, I think hawks are now being overrated based on a nice postseason run. The Hawks were awesome the second half of the season but it’s not like they were significantly better record wise than the Heat and Knicks, it was a dead heat for the last 20 games or so. The Hawks are running it back with the same team while basically everyone else in the East playoff race improved their teams.

Check out the Hawks record under McMillan. Their playoff run was no fluke. They played like that for months. When healthy they didn't need to add anything. Keeping Collins was huge. They are a deep tough team. However they play the games for a reason. Anything can happen. The East will be a dog fight. I think Dame asking out can change everything as I think it will ignite a Knicks-Sixers bidding war.
RE: And a huge part of that nice post-season run by the Hawks  
TyreeHelmet : 8/6/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15323952 Semipro Lineman said:
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was arguably one of the biggest post-season choke jobs in the last five years by Philly. I think the Hawks deserved most of the credit they are been given in this thread but not all of it...


Hawks were also missing Hunter and Reddish and Bog were really injured. I see the Hawks as legit and will be better. Really good team.
Julius's deal is actually 4 for 106  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 9:16 am : link
the extra 11 million is incentives
RE: Julius's deal is actually 4 for 106  
Jon in NYC : 8/6/2021 9:18 am : link
In comment 15324247 nygiants16 said:
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the extra 11 million is incentives


I mean...holy shit.

Is it weird that I almost feel bad for someone who just secured 106 million dollars?
IF healthy, Kemba is the best player to change teams  
Heisenberg : 8/6/2021 9:26 am : link
But he only changed teams because he's not healthy.
He took less to stay,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2021 9:27 am : link
but in NY with the taxes as they are, he's REALLY taking less. So I do feel bad in a way. What's he seeing from that 106, maybe 75?
thats more good news for us...  
Italianju : 8/6/2021 9:30 am : link
we are in great salary cap shape moving forward even after handing out all the deals. Most are 2 years except for fournier/Randle and there is no reason not to give them 3-4 year deals. Im not going to say we definitely could, but if a stud did his FA next year like Beal im pretty sure we could make it work.
RE: RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
stoneman : 8/6/2021 9:34 am : link
In comment 15323829 nygiants16 said:
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?



I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.



Thats completely fair and i agree i dont think we get a completely healthy walker but i think 85 to 90 percent is realistic


He cannot play any of the back-to-back games (10-7 per season) as well as an above normal scheduled time off (5-7 games). Not too bad if no additional injuries. Just gotta be healthy playoff time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: IF HEALTHY  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 9:39 am : link
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yes it is a big if, but if Kemba is healthy is hr the best player to change teams this free agency?



I don't personally think it's realistic to believe Walker will suddenly be healthy. 2 teams felt otherwise (and he seemingly does too) so I'd say the best players to switch teams are an uninspiring group of Lowry (who yes, I'd take over Walker), Lonzo, Graham and DeRozan.



Thats completely fair and i agree i dont think we get a completely healthy walker but i think 85 to 90 percent is realistic



He cannot play any of the back-to-back games (10-7 per season) as well as an above normal scheduled time off (5-7 games). Not too bad if no additional injuries. Just gotta be healthy playoff time.


that was last year, we dont knkw that to be the case this year, not saying it wont but we dont know he wont be able to play back to backs
Simmons apparently  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 9:56 am : link
doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team
RE: Simmons apparently  
Jon in NYC : 8/6/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15324332 nygiants16 said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team


I just don't know how this is going to happen. Morey is asking for the moon.
RE: Simmons apparently  
JB_in_DC : 8/6/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15324332 nygiants16 said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team


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“He doesn’t want to go to a bad situation. He’s reading the tea leaves. He sees Toronto, he sees Portland and then, being frank being the young socialite that he is, he’s not looking to go to any of those situations. He’s looking to go to the California teams.”


This guy has such a losers mentality its remarkable.
He's too young to know better  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2021 10:10 am : link
Thinking with his lower brain.
RE: RE: Simmons apparently  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15324336 Jon in NYC said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team



I just don't know how this is going to happen. Morey is asking for the moon.


I think the Kings eventually pony up the picks
Maybe if he wanted to pick his destination...  
Italianju : 8/6/2021 10:26 am : link
he should have learned to shoot or not let his team down at the biggest time of year, or not just resigned with PHI. I dont kill the duys who are near FA and kinda force there team to trade them to a small list of teams. But a guy like Simmons who signs a huge deal a season ago or whatever and now he wants to pick where he goes. If im Morey im trading wherever gives me the best offer. Like Lillard has at least given his all to POR for awhile so if they want to do right by him and try to send him where he wants (if he asked out) then thats fine, but SImmons? Gimme a break.
If Simmons is gonna be part of a Dame trade there's was always  
Stu11 : 8/6/2021 10:27 am : link
Gonna have to be a 3rd team. What does a rebuilding Portland team want with that contract and F'd up head.
Markannen wants out of Chicago  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 10:32 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: ...  
Mike in NJ : 8/6/2021 10:39 am : link
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IMO, it's Nets & Bucks at the top...then Heat, Sixers, Knicks, Hawks in some order...then Celts Bulls Raptors Pacers. I think Detroit might surprise this season.



Agree with this, I think hawks are now being overrated based on a nice postseason run. The Hawks were awesome the second half of the season but it’s not like they were significantly better record wise than the Heat and Knicks, it was a dead heat for the last 20 games or so. The Hawks are running it back with the same team while basically everyone else in the East playoff race improved their teams.


Check out the Hawks record under McMillan. Their playoff run was no fluke. They played like that for months. When healthy they didn't need to add anything. Keeping Collins was huge. They are a deep tough team. However they play the games for a reason. Anything can happen. The East will be a dog fight. I think Dame asking out can change everything as I think it will ignite a Knicks-Sixers bidding war.


Yeah, the Hawks were great under McMillan, but it's not like they were far and away better than the Knicks or the Heat. Seems like because of their postseason run people are just assuming they are a lock for a top 4 seed, when I don't think that is the case at all.

The Hawks were 14-6 over the last 20 games, Miami was 13-7, the Knicks were 16-4. Miami and New York made pretty significant improvements during the offseason, Atlanta is running it back.
RE: Markannen wants out of Chicago  
Stu11 : 8/6/2021 10:50 am : link
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That has been a weird situation. Every Bulls sign and trade he's always rumored to be part of it but never is. You'd think a team would be interested but none have been. I have a feeling he signs his quali offer. If he does is he a UFA next year?
RE: RE: Markannen wants out of Chicago  
Jan in DC : 8/6/2021 11:59 am : link
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That has been a weird situation. Every Bulls sign and trade he's always rumored to be part of it but never is. You'd think a team would be interested but none have been. I have a feeling he signs his quali offer. If he does is he a UFA next year?


I wonder if there's an opportunity to sign and trade Markannen for some back of the roster guys (including Knox, Sims, Vildoza, a future 2nd rounder).

Knicks have a logjam roster right now and maybe it could clear up a couple of spots to let some of the 2nd round guys sign.
I wonder how long it would take Clyde  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2021 12:30 pm : link
to stop calling him Markka-tin.
Knicks  
Carl in CT : 8/6/2021 4:28 pm : link
Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.
RE: Knicks  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/6/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15324814 Carl in CT said:
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Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.

Have to walk before you can run.
Kemba officially waived by okc  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 6:44 pm : link
Grimes officially signed by Knicks
RE: Knicks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15324814 Carl in CT said:
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Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.


Now is the long march. Wait and see how RJ and IQ develop. That will be the biggest change of direction for the team.
Rokas told the media today  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 6:56 pm : link
his team overseas is allowing him to play in 3 games, but he said if he plays well and the team wants him he has outs already set up to play this year with Knicks but will go play 1 mlre year if he needs to..
RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15324814 Carl in CT said:
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Trying to think what’s next? Good everywhere just not great. Not sure what else we can do.


Now it is wait and see who the next star is to ask out and keep developing the team
RE: Really  
djm : 8/6/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15323699 DanMetroMan said:
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enjoyed the entire piece. Discussed the fit, gave us the data, was realistic about what it meant for the 2022 Knicks, what it means for Rose/IQ etc.


That was great thanks Dan
RE: Kemba officially waived by okc  
Anakim : 8/6/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15324897 nygiants16 said:
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Grimes officially signed by Knicks


Deuce also signed
Why am I  
Carl in CT : 8/6/2021 10:42 pm : link
Wanting Fournier to light it up against team USA. Knicks over USA? I guess
RE: Why am I  
nygiants16 : 8/6/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15325024 Carl in CT said:
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Wanting Fournier to light it up against team USA. Knicks over USA? I guess


you are not alone lol
Chicago and Miami are both screwed  
Strahan91 : 8/7/2021 2:23 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
16m
Reporting with @RamonaShelburne on ESPN: The NBA has opened up investigations into possible tampering violations involving two sign-and-trade deals completed in free agency: New Orleans and Chicago centered on Lonzo Ball, and Toronto and Miami centered on Kyle Lowry. Story soon.

Two years ago, NBA elevated maximum tampering fine to $10M for teams and opened door for suspension of executives, forfeiture of draft picks and voiding of contracts. Team execs can also have their communications – such as phone records, texts and emails – randomly audited.
RE: RE: Simmons apparently  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/7/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15324354 JB_in_DC said:
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doesnt want to go to Toronto or Porland because they are bad situations...wants to go to a california team





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“He doesn’t want to go to a bad situation. He’s reading the tea leaves. He sees Toronto, he sees Portland and then, being frank being the young socialite that he is, he’s not looking to go to any of those situations. He’s looking to go to the California teams.”




This guy has such a losers mentality its remarkable.


That quote is damming, esp. about him wanting to go to CA-and I'm assuming he's excluding the Kings in that too-for the off the court stuff.

I've been a Simmons defender, but his performance in the postseason/the dripping of a lot of 'Does this dude even care?' rumblings are hard to ignore. Embiid has reached out to him &...radio silence. I don't see how he's a 76er come opening night. Too much water under that bridge; first time he misses a FT, the boo birds are coming out in force.
Hey all you Bucks bandwagon fans  
Semipro Lineman : 8/7/2021 7:14 pm : link
with your "They built the team the right way" nonsense. What do you say to this?
Finish Them - ( New Window )
RE: Hey all you Bucks bandwagon fans  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/7/2021 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15325466 Semipro Lineman said:
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with your "They built the team the right way" nonsense. What do you say to this? Finish Them - ( New Window )


Uh, who here are 'bandwagon Bucks fans'? Did I miss something?
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