In response to questions about the practice fight and in particular the conditioning that followed...
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I have no idea what this season will bring but you have to pause for a minute and appreciate the attitude Judge has instilled in his team. As a young, first time HC during an unprecedented season due to Covid. Between this and other comments like Bradberry in response to Benjamin it really feels like this can be a team that will slug you in the mouth.
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I feel the same way. The past 5 years has created a very deep sense of skepticism for me and I imagine most of us. But just like you said, I love everything he has said and done so far.
However implementing the system with the accountability (coaches players alike), integrity, etc is possible while simply being yourself. Judge seems to come across as geniue and that very good weapon to have when you need people gather around you.
I want to see who things go with some continued success and how they handle adversity after that success. Have to believe to some degree at this point he has a chance to handles those waters well also.
However implementing the system with the accountability (coaches players alike), integrity, etc is possible while simply being yourself. Judge seems to come across as geniue and that very good weapon to have when you need people gather around you.
I want to see how things go with some continued success and how they handle adversity after that success. Have to believe to some degree at this point he has a chance to handles those waters well also.
There have been ample opportunities for players to sound off and make comments either on the record or off that are negative about Judge - and as far as I can tell...they're just not there.
Of course - they will come if Judge doesn't start winning games.
There have been ample opportunities for players to sound off and make comments either on the record or off that are negative about Judge - and as far as I can tell...they're just not there.
Of course - they will come if Judge doesn't start winning games.
He led the team to 5 wins in their last 8 games to finish '20 (with far less talent than we have going into '21). I'm not too concerned about whether he's going to "start winning games" bc I think he already did.
It is hard not to get excited about how this approach is working so far. The proof in how solidified the team is will be when they lose a game or two.
I like hearing from the players about what is going on with the team more than even hearing Judge himself.
Judge is doing it his way and it seems to be working even though half the media world is skeptical if it is sustainable.
That's what it looks like when it's expressed by one of the players buying in.
Anyone think this type of sentiment existed in the "romper room" version of this franchise from 2017-2019? No way.
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Make it a bit difficult for me to continue with a "wait and see" attitude with him. I love pretty much everything he has done since becoming HC. This team has been deprived of a quality coach for some time.
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Obviously he has one in Logan Ryan who is familiar to this style from new England and is echoing the message in the locker room. He's going to need to develop more of that so that the room understands without being yelled at and forced to run sprints.
I think we are starting to see those seeds planted with the recent comments by Bradbury and Shepard.
If you look down the coaching tree of Parcells to Belichick you can pick out names like, (and in no particular order) Martin, Carson, Carthon, Brady, Simms, Banks, Taylor, Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinest, Meggett, etc... The list goes on and on. Those guys, all some of the best players on the team at their own time, all agreeing that the disciplined approach was the right one.
I just hope that as we go on here that the best players on this team continue to buy into that message and that Joe Judge is just as good with the X's and O's.
Count me in as encouraged right now.
what does Judge bring to the table in the X's and O's on the field? Don't get me wrong, being a great leader and motivator are excellent traits for a HC, but does he also have what it takes to game plan and make adjustments on the fly.
The signs say yes but the jury is still out.
Can't you make that prediction for any coach on any team? We saw what our last 2 coaches did - they were both turned on for being unprepared, disorganized, and overwhelmed disasters. I'll take a coach that sounds, looks, and acts like he knows what he's doing even if its a bit abrasive.
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encouraged by Judge's approach, we can only wait and see if the team fights or turns against the coach. At least it's better than McAdoo and Shurmur
Can't you make that prediction for any coach on any team? We saw what our last 2 coaches did - they were both turned on for being unprepared, disorganized, and overwhelmed disasters. I'll take a coach that sounds, looks, and acts like he knows what he's doing even if its a bit abrasive.
Yes, until you're a proven winner/loser, you're an unknown, which I think Judge is at this point. I did say I am encouraged, but even Coughlin had to tone things down with his style.
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encouraged by Judge's approach, we can only wait and see if the team fights or turns against the coach. At least it's better than McAdoo and Shurmur
Can't you make that prediction for any coach on any team? We saw what our last 2 coaches did - they were both turned on for being unprepared, disorganized, and overwhelmed disasters. I'll take a coach that sounds, looks, and acts like he knows what he's doing even if its a bit abrasive.
I'd add that at this point in the McAdoo/Shurmur tenures, there were already signs of players tuning them out. That's why they only lasted 2 years, especially McAdoo who made the playoffs in one of those seasons.
what does Judge bring to the table in the X's and O's on the field? Don't get me wrong, being a great leader and motivator are excellent traits for a HC, but does he also have what it takes to game plan and make adjustments on the fly.
The signs say yes but the jury is still out.
He was essentially Bill B's right hand man in New England. Made situational and strategic decisions along with Bill.
That is absolutely the last thing you need to worry about with Judge
Yes, until you're a proven winner/loser, you're an unknown, which I think Judge is at this point. I did say I am encouraged, but even Coughlin had to tone things down with his style.
While both TC and Judge are "disciplinarians", Judge seems more in-tune with how the players think and (for lack of a better term) their emotional needs. TC needed to create his "leadership council" before having a good feedback system in place with the players and even then didn't seem to have as good a relationship as Judge does with some players (see the Love anecdotes).
Not that he is taking shots at the previous ways of the team but he does seem to have a preference.
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what does Judge bring to the table in the X's and O's on the field? Don't get me wrong, being a great leader and motivator are excellent traits for a HC, but does he also have what it takes to game plan and make adjustments on the fly.
The signs say yes but the jury is still out.
He was essentially Bill B's right hand man in New England. Made situational and strategic decisions along with Bill.
That is absolutely the last thing you need to worry about with Judge
SSS but I thought Judge was excellent in that area last year. TO usage, when to punt/kick FG, etc.
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what does Judge bring to the table in the X's and O's on the field? Don't get me wrong, being a great leader and motivator are excellent traits for a HC, but does he also have what it takes to game plan and make adjustments on the fly.
The signs say yes but the jury is still out.
He was essentially Bill B's right hand man in New England. Made situational and strategic decisions along with Bill.
That is absolutely the last thing you need to worry about with Judge
Is that true or are you being sarcastic? I thought he was just a WR/ST coach.
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what does Judge bring to the table in the X's and O's on the field? Don't get me wrong, being a great leader and motivator are excellent traits for a HC, but does he also have what it takes to game plan and make adjustments on the fly.
The signs say yes but the jury is still out.
He was essentially Bill B's right hand man in New England. Made situational and strategic decisions along with Bill.
That is absolutely the last thing you need to worry about with Judge
Is that true or are you being sarcastic? I thought he was just a WR/ST coach.
When Judge was hired, there were multiple clips going around showing him always in BB's ear on the sidelines. Also, go watch the breakdowns he did with Papa after each game last year where they would highlight 3 plays. Judge knows what he's doing and talking about.
Awesome quote and quite true IMHO
Shepard is a good soldier. Getting a lot of press these days for looking strong in camp as well so hopefully he puts up a good year and actually plays 17 games.
Although his future beyond 2021 is a bit hazy...
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encouraged by Judge's approach, we can only wait and see if the team fights or turns against the coach. At least it's better than McAdoo and Shurmur
Can't you make that prediction for any coach on any team? We saw what our last 2 coaches did - they were both turned on for being unprepared, disorganized, and overwhelmed disasters. I'll take a coach that sounds, looks, and acts like he knows what he's doing even if its a bit abrasive.
Yes, until you're a proven winner/loser, you're an unknown, which I think Judge is at this point. I did say I am encouraged, but even Coughlin had to tone things down with his style.
Record is ultimately all that matters but I can confidently say he’s not going to be the reason why we aren’t winning.
This Tom Rock tweet says a lot:
"Just an interesting comparison, since everyone likes comparisons.
Coughlin always came off as impatient with injured players, wondering aloud when they would be back.
Judge almost always describes them as eager to return but being held back by him and medical staff."
I've been all in with the Joe Judge from day one. I wondered if he had enough gravitas to pull the rest of the organization with him and out of the malaise of the last decade. I am now convinced he does. He still needs some good luck, good players and good health for both him and them.
This Tom Rock tweet says a lot:
"Just an interesting comparison, since everyone likes comparisons.
Coughlin always came off as impatient with injured players, wondering aloud when they would be back.
Judge almost always describes them as eager to return but being held back by him and medical staff."
I never understood that about Coughlin. It is always the med staff that makes those decisions. Coughlin saying what he did in public only served to make fans resentful of players.
Not that he is taking shots at the previous ways of the team but he does seem to have a preference.
I feel like this statement is pretty underrated. What Sterling says has value, and newer and younger players listen to him.
Also, the fact Judge broke this out:
'"What happened yesterday at practice would have taken away an opportunity to win a game based on the actions on the field," Judge said Wednesday, "so there needs to be consequences, there needs to be a lesson learned and we need to move forward as a team and not repeat the mistake."'
He immediately and rationally explains it. It's not vindictive and it's not targeted.