OL Zach Fulton Retires

no? A bit more than Training camp guys?

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Most NFL vets have made enough money and they come to camp to try to make some more but decide it is not worth it anymore to put their bodies thru the grind of training camp. No reflection on Judge.

is this a way for vets to get out of training camp while not taking up a roster spot? Only to unretire when the season starts?

interior ol.

and out starters aren’t really that great to begin with either. So, in a vacuum this is no big deal, but overall I’m context this is another obstacle to us being a good team that can withstand a 17 game NFL season.

In comment 15324156 Ira said:

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interior ol.

I am sure they are working on that

So expect a signing today that was probably already in the works.

Nah, I haven’t seen this before in the NFL

If this was a situation where there was a veteran player who just to old for hard practices but still really good. They would have a mystery injury and take a break or have light workload to work back from. If the Giants let the player retire then they like of the idea of getting the contract off the books instead of having that player for depth

Any other teams getting the retirement issue?

This one hurts. I thought he was a sneaky good signing. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

Judge needs to turn the table and convince David DeCastro to come out of retirement!

Go figure

Dexter Lawrence and Danny Shelton.

keep shaking out the weak hands!

In comment 15324154 antdog24 said:

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is this a way for vets to get out of training camp while not taking up a roster spot? Only to unretire when the season starts?

Interesting notion.

In comment 15324167 NewBlue said:

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Any other teams getting the retirement issue?

I think the Raiders have had 3 players retire and two executives quit since camp opened.

In comment 15324175 rasbutant said:

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This one hurts. I thought he was a sneaky good signing. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Judge needs to turn the table and convince David DeCastro to come out of retirement!

I’d be happy with Austin Reiter. Evan Boehm could provide quality depth.

In comment 15324176 Anakim said:

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Go figure

😂😂


I too have never seen anything like this

In comment 15324154 antdog24 said:

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is this a way for vets to get out of training camp while not taking up a roster spot? Only to unretire when the season starts?

Is training camp even that demanding anymore? I could see this 10-15 years ago, but not now.

that if the Giants don't win, then the media is going to go find these guys for interviews and stories that Joe Judge's style/personality doesn't fit with today's game will start to emerge as a narrative and distraction.

In a perverse kind of way. They better be prepared to give up a mid-round draft pick to pick an OL if necessary. Because this OL is shaping up to be another disaster.

please turn off all the lights

have to do with the protocol's players have to follow if they are unvaccinated. The older players who might not be . might not want to get vaccinated may just hang them up rather than be subjected to the protocols.

In comment 15324182 Anakim said:

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In comment 15324175 rasbutant said: Quote: This one hurts. I thought he was a sneaky good signing. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Judge needs to turn the table and convince David DeCastro to come out of retirement! I’d be happy with Austin Reiter. Evan Boehm could provide quality depth.

I meant Joe Dahl, not Evan Boehm

In comment 15324186 Giantsfan79 said:

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that if the Giants don't win, then the media is going to go find these guys for interviews and stories that Joe Judge's style/personality doesn't fit with today's game will start to emerge as a narrative and distraction.

if they don’t win, this will be the least of it…

him and Gates along the interior line...

In comment 15324190 Steve in Greenwich said:

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have to do with the protocol's players have to follow if they are unvaccinated. The older players who might not be . might not want to get vaccinated may just hang them up rather than be subjected to the protocols.

That’s a good observation. I’m sure some of us read that Jimmy Graham article yesterday. Even the vaccinated guys are being forced to have daily testing now, etc. He seemed pretty pissed off about it. It’s the only real variable this year compared to let’s say 4-5 years ago in terms of the offseason. The Raiders have had 3-4 retirements as well.

In comment 15324190 Steve in Greenwich said:

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have to do with the protocol's players have to follow if they are unvaccinated. The older players who might not be . might not want to get vaccinated may just hang them up rather than be subjected to the protocols.

Interesting. Good theory

In comment 15324167 NewBlue said:

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Any other teams getting the retirement issue?

Raiders had 3.

Where young, pre-rich players are who we need.

that on any other day about Zach Fulton would be 85% he sucks, waste of signing, is now looked at as if something really bad is going on and what will we do..

There will be a lot of VET options out there for us as some teams will need/ want to shed salary for younger players.

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I wonder if this is serving to galvanize the team. Create the mindset that this is something special and not for everyone. The Us vs the World mentality.

is pretty good and they don't see where they will get playing time!

The retired LB from Denver talked about how he was involved with Real Estate and wanted to focus on that.

Don't forget the cap was reduced so some of these guys are being paid less than normal.

was not happy with his performance the other day and after making Gates and Hernandez run laps as punishment for Fulton’s play they beat his ass with a pillowcase full of bars of soap. That may have been the tipping point in his retirement decision.

in a Deshaun Watson trade..SMH

In comment 15324153 averagejoe said:

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Most NFL vets have made enough money and they come to camp to try to make some more but decide it is not worth it anymore to put their bodies thru the grind of training camp. No reflection on Judge.

I'm with you on this one.

Coming off a 4y/28m deal and now down to just over one mill.

Either you'd be on the bench, which isn't that much fun, or, if you did win a starting spot, putting your body on the line for relative peanuts.

In comment 15324228 eric2425ny said:

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was not happy with his performance the other day and after making Gates and Hernandez run laps as punishment for Fulton’s play they beat his ass with a pillowcase full of bars of soap. That may have been the tipping point in his retirement decision.

Live look at Giants training camp....

In comment 15324239 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15324228 eric2425ny said: Quote: was not happy with his performance the other day and after making Gates and Hernandez run laps as punishment for Fulton’s play they beat his ass with a pillowcase full of bars of soap. That may have been the tipping point in his retirement decision. Live look at Giants training camp....

Ha ha, according to Pat Leonard, Judge was throwing expletives at Fulton and referring to him as “Pyle” throughout camp.

when is it time to ask hard questions about Judge and his style? Between the retirements, Robert Saleh's answer to the question about running laps, Benjamin's comments on his way out, Kenny Wiggins comments about the punishment and being used to it since he played for Matt Patricia (who was notoriously hated by the players and subsequently fired)...there's a lot a smoke here.

No question the Giants were a better team last year, but coaches being universally hated is not a recipe for success. Coughlin wasn't winning here until he softened up a bit and the team won the Super bowl THAT YEAR.

In comment 15324239 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15324228 eric2425ny said: Quote: was not happy with his performance the other day and after making Gates and Hernandez run laps as punishment for Fulton’s play they beat his ass with a pillowcase full of bars of soap. That may have been the tipping point in his retirement decision. Live look at Giants training camp....

haha!

In comment 15324181 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15324167 NewBlue said: Quote: Any other teams getting the retirement issue? I think the Raiders have had 3 players retire and two executives quit since camp opened.

That's tough. Executives shouldn't have to run gassers.

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In comment 15324167 NewBlue said: Quote: Any other teams getting the retirement issue? I think the Raiders have had 3 players retire and two executives quit since camp opened.

That's true. The Panthers also have had two players retire

cannot be spun in a positive way. He was, I thought, a nice insurance policy for us should any of the IOL go down mid-season. Now I look at our back-ups and get the yips thinking about the short-term health of our Quarterback and Star Running Back.

In comment 15324243 BigBlueFootball44 said:

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when is it time to ask hard questions about Judge and his style? Between the retirements, Robert Saleh's answer to the question about running laps, Benjamin's comments on his way out, Kenny Wiggins comments about the punishment and being used to it since he played for Matt Patricia (who was notoriously hated by the players and subsequently fired)...there's a lot a smoke here. No question the Giants were a better team last year, but coaches being universally hated is not a recipe for success. Coughlin wasn't winning here until he softened up a bit and the team won the Super bowl THAT YEAR.

Ha ha, no... Saleh's comments mean nothing. Mister I haven't coached a game yet has no bearing on what goes on here. I couldn't care less what KB thinks after his fat ass showed up fatter and he didn't like the punishment. WAAAAAAA.....

In comment 15324243 BigBlueFootball44 said:

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when is it time to ask hard questions about Judge and his style? Between the retirements, Robert Saleh's answer to the question about running laps, Benjamin's comments on his way out, Kenny Wiggins comments about the punishment and being used to it since he played for Matt Patricia (who was notoriously hated by the players and subsequently fired)...there's a lot a smoke here. No question the Giants were a better team last year, but coaches being universally hated is not a recipe for success. Coughlin wasn't winning here until he softened up a bit and the team won the Super bowl THAT YEAR.

I literally had the same discussion with a buddy yesterday. I do think this may be related to the COVID protocols as cited by a poster earlier, but I am concerned the tough rhetoric from Judge could end up falling on deaf ears at some point like we saw with Coughlin before they started that players council within the team and they got Coughlin to lighten up a bit.

It’s a fine line in pro sports because you can’t really scold a bunch of grown men like they are college kids on a regular basis. I mean many of these players are already multi millionaires and make more than the guy screaming at them.

If we start to see the team giving up in key moments of games you will have your answer on how his style is working. We also don’t see 100% of his actions. Coughlin had a lot of nit picky things behind the scenes like the getting to meetings 5 minutes early stuff that pissed off players. I haven’t heard anything like that about Judge up to this point. It’s all been on the field.

Running laps around a football field does not lead a professional athlete toward retirement. Something else is going on with Fulton.

did the coaches become "universally hated"??

Players have been effusive about Judge and Graham throughout the past year and change.