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Joe Judge on Kadarius Toney

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/14/2021 10:54 pm
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Joe Judge on Kadarius Tomey: Said since he wasn’t on the sideline it means he’s injured. #Giants
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RE: RE: Are you even allowed to have undisclosed injuries?  
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2021 12:27 am : link
In comment 15331091 eric2425ny said:
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What are other examples of that?

“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“

-SBnation

“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“

-NY Post

He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one



Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:

“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”

It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.


I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
RE: RE: RE: Are you even allowed to have undisclosed injuries?  
eric2425ny : 8/15/2021 12:31 am : link
In comment 15331105 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15331089 NoGainDayne said:


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What are other examples of that?

“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“

-SBnation

“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“

-NY Post

He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one



Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:

“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”

It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.



I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story


All of this COVID stuff is speculation. Toney did have some kind of ankle thing or something if I remember correctly earlier in camp. He probably tweaked it again and while he may have been able to play if it was a regular season game they held him out.

They don’t have to disclose injuries in preseason so why bother in this case?
The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it  
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2021 12:33 am : link
why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me
RE: In 26 years  
Del Shofner : 8/15/2021 12:33 am : link
In comment 15331076 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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BBI has never disappointed in the silliness spouted in the preseason


this
RE: The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it  
eric2425ny : 8/15/2021 12:38 am : link
In comment 15331112 NoGainDayne said:
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why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me


It was the same thing with Waller the past few weeks. He was completely missing from camp for days. Fans were even speculating he may have been “back on drugs” as he had a problem early in his career or that he was holding out for a bigger contract. Ends up being a minor ankle injury and he was back in the team weight room late this past week. Honestly, if I was a coach, I wouldn’t disclose anything to the media if I didn’t have to. When does sharing info with the media help anyone?
RE: The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/15/2021 12:39 am : link
In comment 15331112 NoGainDayne said:
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why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me


He was there. He worked on the side.
Since rookie training camp  
Rick in Dallas : 8/15/2021 12:42 am : link
Weird stuff with Toney. Not what you hope for in a first round pick.Head scratcher for sure.
So like away from people?  
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2021 12:43 am : link
Held out of the “open practice” seems like that to me. I don’t know to keep, Toney has already gotten some weird media coverage I’d want to be specific about the injury to get it less attention TBH but this has always been just a theory. I’m not married to it, just presenting the confluence of factors
RE: So like away from people?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/15/2021 12:49 am : link
In comment 15331121 NoGainDayne said:
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Held out of the “open practice” seems like that to me. I don’t know to keep, Toney has already gotten some weird media coverage I’d want to be specific about the injury to get it less attention TBH but this has always been just a theory. I’m not married to it, just presenting the confluence of factors


He worked on the sideline with the other injured players such as Barkley. He wasn't off to the side by himself. A bunch of players didn't play on Wednesday.
nothing more amusing than non medical, non football, uninformed people  
plato : 8/15/2021 12:56 am : link
making uninformed guesses about Covid, a players immune state, the role of vaccine and immunity, and a players injury, illness, or other problem that they don’t have any information about.
Yet they have all the speculative answers to very complicated issues without “facts” or as far as I can tell much knowledge or experience. this is worse than cable news.

In addition, whatever the status of fandom is, we have no right or claim to be informed of our #1 draft choices purported injury, illness, or whatever.
The team or player will tell us whenever it’s in their interest to do so.

Interesting you can’t speculate here on the “ state of the nation” but to speculate on a players private medical information is considered OK. USA 2021.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/15/2021 12:57 am : link
Q: (Wide Receiver Kadarius) Toney, we didn't see him out there at all for warmups or on the sideline. Any update on what’s going on?

A: Any injured player who was not going to be able to play in the game tonight, we didn't put on the sideline. Everyone who was on the sideline would have been healthy enough to participate in the game. The only exception would be (Running Back) Saquon (Barkley) and if it's a captain, there's a different deal. Sometimes, we'll let them on the field.

Q: What’s Kadarius’s injury?

A: Yeah, I'm not gonna disclose any person's individual injury at this moment, but we hope to get him out there this week.

Q: Is that something new though? When did that happen?

A: You know, he's been dealing with it for a little bit. Something was aggravated in practice towards the tail end of this week, so he was unable to play tonight.
RE: I’m not trying to be political at all  
HMunster : 8/15/2021 1:16 am : link
In comment 15331099 NoGainDayne said:
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or make a statement on if people should or shouldn’t get vaccines. From a data analysis standpoint 50.2% of people from Florida have been fully vaccinated. A coin toss, so it’s not crazy to say he may be unvaccinated.

I’m not even in NY so I googled it, 7 days ago they did pass a vaccine requirement for indoor dining. So is it crazy to think a pro sports team in that same city would be pushing for more extreme measures than the rest of America?

This isn’t about my personal views at all which I would not be included to share given the no political discussion policy that I am very much in line with respecting as those discussions are entirely unproductive.

Toney was just recently drafted, I’m sure he identifies more as a Floridian than a New Yorker as of now and the facts are half of people from Florida are not vaccinated and NY is one of the most aggressively pro-vax places N.Y.C. will require workers and customers show proof of at least one dose for indoor dining and other activities. - ( New Window )

You do understand how percentages work, right? If there were 2 people in your neighborhood and 1 person was vaccinated, then you’re at 50%. But if you have 10 people in your neighborhood and 4 people were vaccinated then you’re at only 40% despite having 4x more people vaccinated. Florida is one of the most populous states in the country - roughly 22 million people and 11 million of them have been vaccinated which is the 4th highest number of vaccinated people by state in the nation and double the number of people who have been vaccinated in NJ. How you can draw any conclusions from a random percentage about whether Toney was vaccinated is beyond me.
Hopefully the Giants didn't make  
prdave73 : 8/15/2021 1:33 am : link
a mistake not taking Elijah Moore. Not going to lie Toney is making me very concerned..
RE: The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it  
BigBlueShock : 8/15/2021 8:17 am : link
In comment 15331112 NoGainDayne said:
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why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me

Toney was at fan fest. There is video of him throwing footballs to the fans. Do you think if he had Covid or was experiencing symptoms he would have not only been around the team, but playing catch with the fans?
RE: Hopefully the Giants didn't make  
BigBlueShock : 8/15/2021 8:21 am : link
In comment 15331141 prdave73 said:
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a mistake not taking Elijah Moore. Not going to lie Toney is making me very concerned..

How impressed were you with Moore last night?
RE: We  
ZogZerg : 8/15/2021 8:30 am : link
In comment 15331066 Eric from BBI said:
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don't know if Toney got COVID. He may have been exposed to someone with it.

Regardless, as I thought, he has not been held out because of COVID. He had an undisclosed injury, and he just re-aggravated it.

Unless you think Judge is lying.


Eric - You called this in your game preview!
Nice Job.
RE: Hopefully the Giants didn't make  
cokeduplt : 8/15/2021 8:32 am : link
In comment 15331141 prdave73 said:
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a mistake not taking Elijah Moore. Not going to lie Toney is making me very concerned..


Yes Moore looked great last not, he definitely didn’t miss the game with injury like Toney.
RE: RE: RE: So just reading the tea leaves on Toney a bit  
90.Cal : 8/15/2021 8:33 am : link
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger



Huh???



What is so crazy about that?

He got COVID

He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates

We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge

We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside

When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney

I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail


I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.

A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???

B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???

Come on...

RE: 5BowlsSoon  
UberAlias : 8/15/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15330995 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?

Jesus.
Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.
Toney  
larryinnewhaven : 8/15/2021 9:21 am : link
was on the sidelines the whole Fanfest working with a trainer. He seemed fine didn't notice any limp. That was Wednesday not sure that lines up with late week aggravation.
I think people at this point or laying Judge's notorious secrecy at  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2021 9:26 am : link
the feet of KT. I think it's pretty clear at this point he has an injury that he doesn't want to talk about at all. Expect the same about Saquon right up until kickoff week 1.
RE: RE: 5BowlsSoon  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2021 9:31 am : link
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That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?

Jesus.

Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.


So did Odell, until he destroyed the league his rookie year.
Some press comments about Toney following the game...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/15/2021 9:36 am : link
from ESPN and a few others...

Toney has not practiced much this spring or summer for a wide range of circumstances. The disclosure of an injury that Judge declined to offer specifics explains why the wide receiver didn't participate in practice much this past week. "He's been dealing with it for a little bit. Something that was aggravated in practice toward the tail end of this week," Judge said. "So he was unable to play."

Toney was not active for the game, and so stayed inside during warm ups, FanSided has learned.

Prior to Saturday night’s contest, Toney wasn’t even out on the field for pre-game warmups. Even injured players such as linebackers Lorenzo Carter and Elerson Smith went through drills prior to the game.

Toney also wasn't seen on the sideline. Other players who did not participate in the game, such as star running back Saquon Barkley, veteran wide receiver Sterling Shepard and offensive lineman Nate Solder, were present on the sideline.

This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
RE: RE: RE: 5BowlsSoon  
UberAlias : 8/15/2021 9:40 am : link
In comment 15331219 Zeke's Alibi said:
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That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?

Jesus.

Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.



So did Odell, until he destroyed the league his rookie year.
So is this your expectation? That he’ll do what Odell did? If we’re checking history, there’s far more examples of young players whose first years start out like this and are derailed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 5BowlsSoon  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15331227 UberAlias said:
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So is this your expectation? That he’ll do what Odell did? If we’re checking history, there’s far more examples of young players whose first years start out like this and are derailed.


It's not my expectation, but to say he's heading for a redshirt year is asinine considering the injury can't be too serious or they would have divulged and he's working with trainers on the sideline. Redshirt implies that he isn't playing this year. It's a bombastic word for this situation.

I used Odell as a comp because he too had nagging injuries all camp and then lit it up regardless.
RE: RE: The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it  
christian : 8/15/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15331165 BigBlueShock said:
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Toney was at fan fest. There is video of him throwing footballs to the fans. Do you think if he had Covid or was experiencing symptoms he would have not only been around the team, but playing catch with the fans?


If his recent bout with Covid is impacting his play, it’s not a matter of being contagious, it could be a matter of respiratory, pulmonary, or fatigue issues as an after effect.

For the record I believe Judge, that it’s an injury not lingering effects from Covid. That’s great news, because as we’ve seen with other players, it can really sink a season.
RE: 5BowlsSoon  
WillVAB : 8/15/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15330995 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?

Jesus.


How many times has Galladay played a full season?
I'm just not wired like Toney.  
mittenedman : 8/15/2021 10:04 am : link
Now, he's a 1st round pick and I'm an FP&A Analyst, but I can't imagine joining a new team, at a new level, and missing so much time right away. It's gotta be a horrible feeling. Or not? Wonder what's really going on with the guy.
RE: I'm just not wired like Toney.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/15/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15331248 mittenedman said:
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Now, he's a 1st round pick and I'm an FP&A Analyst, but I can't imagine joining a new team, at a new level, and missing so much time right away. It's gotta be a horrible feeling. Or not? Wonder what's really going on with the guy.


Agree. Something is going on...
Again I say again I’m not saying Toney has COVID  
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2021 10:10 am : link
I am saying the fact that he had COVID and is potentially unvaccinated could be causing trouble when he plays in an area that is a city that is one of the most pro-vax and willing to enforce pro-vax laws in the country.

It’s definitely weird. See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?

Him being unvaccinated wouldn’t be a cut and dry thing where everyone in the building was in agreement on how to handle it.

The way people are with the Giants sometimes is they need to see a ridiculous amount of proof to even entertain something as possible.

Sometimes all you get in life are some dots to connect and there are connected dots here that lack good explanations
It's pre season  
PaulN : 8/15/2021 10:27 am : link
Lighten up a little. Giants weren't playing many players they know are on the team. We have a long season ahead, maybe its important that they play in regular season games, and maybe it's not critical that you guys know everything going on with the team. Since we are fans we really are not part of the decision making process in the short term. This gets worse every year.
NGD with some fair comments.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/15/2021 10:28 am : link
I am the last one to subscribe to any "conspiracies" on this board as they are almost always misguided BBI theories.

But something is going on with Toney...
RE: Again I say again I’m not saying Toney has COVID  
shyster : 8/15/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15331255 NoGainDayne said:
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See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?



Read the clips again. The only injured player on the sideline during the game was Barkley and Judge explained that. Solder and Shepard are not injured.

Other injured players mentioned (Carter, Smith) participated in pre-game drills. Evidently they are at a point in their recovery where they could do so. Not all injured players were drilling.
RE: Some press comments about Toney following the game...  
bw in dc : 8/15/2021 10:52 am : link
In comment 15331222 Jimmy Googs said:
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This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.


Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.

It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.

RE: RE: Again I say again I’m not saying Toney has COVID  
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2021 10:54 am : link
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See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?





Read the clips again. The only injured player on the sideline during the game was Barkley and Judge explained that. Solder and Shepard are not injured.

Other injured players mentioned (Carter, Smith) participated in pre-game drills. Evidently they are at a point in their recovery where they could do so. Not all injured players were drilling.


Ok well why have we seen so little of Toney then? That’s what I keep asking
He's injured. He was limited all week and even missed practice one day  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2021 10:57 am : link
He's too injured to do drills and the injured players aren't on the sideline. Judge said he wants to get him back out there next week, so I imagine this thread is going to look awfully foolish in two weeks time. You guys are looking way too much into this. He's had an unusual offseason, but if there was some sort of legal situation going on he'd be away and I don't get the COVID speculation at all. He's intermingling with people.

Is it a shock that Judge is mum on injuries when he doesn't have to be forthright at all considering he's a disciple of Belichick? You guys are looking waaaaay too much into this.
This is bothersome based on what  
Big Al : 8/15/2021 11:04 am : link
I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
RE: This is bothersome based on what  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15331308 Big Al said:
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I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.


I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
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Big Al : 8/15/2021 11:21 am : link
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I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.



I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
I said tend, not always. I go back to Joe Don Looney.
RE: Shout out to the  
dabru : 8/15/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15330993 bLiTz 2k said:
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Poster questioning his effort..


Eat shit. I only posted it as a speculation and stated I had no idea.

But do think for one minute that if I was correct Judge would blab it out for the media? If Judge isn't happy with Toney I am sure it will be kept between him, Toney and a select few.

I am not saying that this is the case but only that it is a possibility.
The preseason doesn’t matter  
HMunster : 8/15/2021 11:58 am : link
It’s been training camp and one preseason game and people are getting the vapors over Toney?

For all of BBI who shit on Jones regularly, here’s how his rookie preseason went (see link). NFL.com called it historic. He went 4-0, threw for 29-34 (85% completion rate), 416 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and averaged a 132.8 passer rating. How highly do you think the preseason correlates to NFL success now? Is Jones a great quarterback in your opinion because of his amazing preseason? If you’re going to write off Toney because of the preseason before the kid ever plays an NFL game, then at least be consistent and say Jones is the second coming of Montana because of the preseason.

This is a business. No NFL team provides information just because fans think they have a right to know or in order to alleviate some fans handwringing. They operate in the best interests of their organization and they don’t always tell you the what’s and why’s. People have this weird feeling that they need to know every detail and if the team doesn’t do so, there must be something wrong.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: This is bothersome based on what  
cosmicj : 8/15/2021 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15331310 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.



I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
well, Zeke, the early impression I got was that Odell was seriously injured. Now he is 28 years old and many are pointing to a long term diminishment of his abilities already during what should be his prime. I think the first impression was absolutely valid.

I tend to agree with Al, although you always need to qualify it. Of course, there are exceptions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So just reading the tea leaves on Toney a bit  
Bill L : 8/15/2021 1:27 pm : link
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger



Huh???



What is so crazy about that?

He got COVID

He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates

We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge

We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside

When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney

I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail



I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.

A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???

B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???

Come on...


He was listed on the Covid protocol. Who knows why but the length of time suggests he had it. However, after a certain point he was not infectious and could be around other people. But that doesn’t mean that he was not suffering from the effects of Covid. As judge says, it effects people differently. So, he could still be suffering from the after-effects of Covid. It’s all speculation because they haven’t told us.

Three Boston players, all young, all athletes in premium shape. All had Covid.
Eduardo Rodriguez - had myocarditis and was out for the year
Jason Tatum - out several weeks past being infected. Had breathing issues and had to use an inhaler for the rest of the season (never had used one before)
Evan Fournier -suffered massive headaches for several weeks after being infected and had vision difficulties for nearly a month. Comp,wined he couldn’t see on the court.

Covid is not always you get sick and you’re done.
RE: RE: Some press comments about Toney following the game...  
Bill L : 8/15/2021 1:29 pm : link
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This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.



Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.

It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.

I don’t think any of those concerns were about him not coming to p,au. They were more about off the field things.
RE: RE: RE: Some press comments about Toney following the game...  
John In CO : 8/15/2021 2:41 pm : link
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This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.



Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.

It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.



I don’t think any of those concerns were about him not coming to p,au. They were more about off the field things.


Correct. I recall reading that he is also a skilled rapper and there was a thought that rapping may be more important to him than football. Who knows....but at this point, I think we all need to hear at least one positive practice report about him getting out there and turning heads. Havent come close to that yet.
RE: He tested positive  
Alex_Webster : 8/16/2021 11:42 am : link
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The rest aren’t really speculative, New York is pretty far along on vaccination requirements for things like indoor eating. Florida is one of the less vaccinated states with some of the highest incidence of COVID.

I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.




Kadarius Toney back with Giants after testing positive for COVID-19 - ( New Window )


I Would say 542k from number 10 on list to 24 is marginal at best for these size states. The narrative Florida is anti Vax. Just is not accurate.

24. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,813,286
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.35

10. New York
Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,355,896
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.37
If he identifies more as a Floridian than anything else,  
Mad Mike : 8/16/2021 12:10 pm : link
shouldn't we be worried that he's more focused on finding a nice condo in Century Village so he can sit around and kvetch than he is on football? JFC.
It gets easy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2021 12:12 pm : link
to connect dots when extra ones are added.

It was said above that Toney was nowhere to be seen at FanFest when he was not only working on the sidelines, but identified as such in several reports.

Clinging to falsehoods while saying other fans require much more proof to connect dots is pretty laughable. Some people actually want dots to exist and be based in reality.
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Matt M. : 8/17/2021 8:11 am : link
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger



Huh???



What is so crazy about that?

He got COVID

He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates

We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge

We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside

When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney

I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail



I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.

A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???

B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???

Come on...




He was listed on the Covid protocol. Who knows why but the length of time suggests he had it. However, after a certain point he was not infectious and could be around other people. But that doesn’t mean that he was not suffering from the effects of Covid. As judge says, it effects people differently. So, he could still be suffering from the after-effects of Covid. It’s all speculation because they haven’t told us.

Three Boston players, all young, all athletes in premium shape. All had Covid.
Eduardo Rodriguez - had myocarditis and was out for the year
Jason Tatum - out several weeks past being infected. Had breathing issues and had to use an inhaler for the rest of the season (never had used one before)
Evan Fournier -suffered massive headaches for several weeks after being infected and had vision difficulties for nearly a month. Comp,wined he couldn’t see on the court.

Covid is not always you get sick and you’re done.
Bill - thanks for this. Too many still don't j understand COVID and it's possible effects. I still hear si many talking about it like it's a cold. Even when there is nothing more than child-like symptoms, there is the possibility of a lot of things going on in your body. I can attest to that first hand.
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Breaker : 8/18/2021 3:26 pm : link
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What are other examples of that?

“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“

-SBnation

“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“

-NY Post

He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one



Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:

“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”

It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.



I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story



All of this COVID stuff is speculation. Toney did have some kind of ankle thing or something if I remember correctly earlier in camp. He probably tweaked it again and while he may have been able to play if it was a regular season game they held him out.

They don’t have to disclose injuries in preseason so why bother in this case?
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