Dan Salomone
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Joe Judge said the main objective tonight was to evaluate players. Individually there were some positives, but they have to raise their level collectively.
Dan Salomone
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Joe Judge said Kadarius Toney aggravated something late this week and was unable to play. They hope to get him back this week.
Pat Leonard
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Joe Judge says Kadarius Toney is injured, says he aggravated something near the tail end of this week, that all injured players who weren’t able to play were removed from the sideline. Judge says Giants need to better with fundamentals and play at a higher level. #Giants
Zack Rosenblatt
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Joe Judge said he just wanted to give Darius Slayton some reps but there’s nothing to read into him playing tonight while others rested.
Dan Salomone
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Joe Judge said Carter Coughlin has flashed positively throughout camp and certainly did so tonight. He’s one of the guys they circled to see in live action.
Zack Rosenblatt
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@ZackBlatt
Joe Judge shouted out Carter Coughlin, Cam Brown, Matt Cole and CJ Board as standouts tonight. The latter two for special teams. #Giants
So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Thorton made 1 play. Both backups left plays on the field. Thorton , i'm sorry, is not good, and Glennon is for a backup QB "OK" at best. Thorton is debatable if he's even practice squad level.
A few players showed something today. Stills, Harper, Shelton, Thomas, a few nice plays from Hernandez (sans the penalty), Dixon ,(for the most part) Couglin played well. Board showed his limitations - He's a good ST player but he dropped a ball he had to catch and Clement showed why he is what he is, (he's good outside the tackles but not up the middle), Harper was pretty good. Penny had a solid block or two.
Te play was uninspiring which is not good in any offense, especially a Garret offensem but neither Engram or Rudolph played.
Giants OL depth wasn't good, but it wasn't as bad as I thought. If Murphy is hurt , hurt they need another guy to eat snaps.
So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
how are saquon and Gollady damaged goods? because they both had 1 seaaon ending injury??
Rudolph is older but still productive..
and stop with Toney he is a rookie who they are treating with kid gloves
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
RE: RE: So just reading the tea leaves on Toney a bit
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
how are saquon and Gollady damaged goods? because they both had 1 seaaon ending injury??
Rudolph is older but still productive..
and stop with Toney he is a rookie who they are treating with kid gloves
It is not going to be easy for Saquon to stay healthy. His injury last year was not something that just goes away. So that is two years in a row he missed time, lots of time last year. I’d be shocked if stayed healthy all year, especially the way he runs.
RE: RE: So just reading the tea leaves on Toney a bit
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
While it's very possible he's feeling the effects of long-term Covid and I'd imagine the team would be cautious with his workload if that is the case..but since when has Judge been detailed about injury info? I'd disagree and say that teams go out of there way to give as little info on injuries as possible.
One non-fact - he got COVID (no, we don't know that. We know he tested positive for CoV-2.) . followed by three other speculative statements, followed by 'I know some people don't like facts.' wow.
So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
how are saquon and Gollady damaged goods? because they both had 1 seaaon ending injury??
Rudolph is older but still productive..
and stop with Toney he is a rookie who they are treating with kid gloves
It is not going to be easy for Saquon to stay healthy. His injury last year was not something that just goes away. So that is two years in a row he missed time, lots of time last year. I’d be shocked if stayed healthy all year, especially the way he runs.
What are you talking about? he tore his acl, he didnt get his leg amputated, he had the surgery to fix his acl, rehab and now the injury goes away lol..
one bit. In fact i’d say it’s smarter. Let’s say he was unvaccinated (and that’s what I’m saying not that he had COVID)
Would you want your rookie first rounder to have to deal with the circus around the vaccination conversation in the NY media? No, I’d want his agent and lawyers to figure out how to handle it, I’d buy more time to maybe see how cases that are currently in the pipeline to handle this stuff might work out. Hell, the Giants may be trying to petition the league to get permission to force him to do it or they might have told him he has to and he’s petitioning the league not to
Regardless if he is lying I don’t think he’s out on a limb. Would not surprise me to hear that the league would like to handle this quietly too
I’ve never seen an injury go this far with this much vagueness around it
So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
I was going to say you can't be this dumb but.....
The rest aren’t really speculative, New York is pretty far along on vaccination requirements for things like indoor eating. Florida is one of the less vaccinated states with some of the highest incidence of COVID.
I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.
The rest aren’t really speculative, New York is pretty far along on vaccination requirements for things like indoor eating. Florida is one of the less vaccinated states with some of the highest incidence of COVID.
I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.
Kadarius Toney back with Giants after testing positive for COVID-19 - ( New Window )
Thanks for the that. I didn't see any confirmation that he actually tested positive. But he was the first COVID player off of the list. The team doctors cleared him BEFORE Martinez (who was vaccinated) and Kalu and Rysen.
Judge just said he was injured and re-aggravated the injury in practice late this week.
I am not sure what you are saying unless you are trying to say Judge is lying.
Also, not sure why you are bringing Florida into this unless you are trying to make a political statement (which will get you banned).
one bit. In fact i’d say it’s smarter. Let’s say he was unvaccinated (and that’s what I’m saying not that he had COVID)
Would you want your rookie first rounder to have to deal with the circus around the vaccination conversation in the NY media? No, I’d want his agent and lawyers to figure out how to handle it, I’d buy more time to maybe see how cases that are currently in the pipeline to handle this stuff might work out. Hell, the Giants may be trying to petition the league to get permission to force him to do it or they might have told him he has to and he’s petitioning the league not to
Regardless if he is lying I don’t think he’s out on a limb. Would not surprise me to hear that the league would like to handle this quietly too
I’ve never seen an injury go this far with this much vagueness around it
I have, just this week actually. Darren Waller, probably the second best TE in the league and the best player on the Raiders missed two weeks of practice and no one would say why. Ended up being a minor ankle injury they didn’t feel like disclosing immediately. Everything on planet Earth isn’t related to COVID.
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
RE: Are you even allowed to have undisclosed injuries?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
RE: Are you even allowed to have undisclosed injuries?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Every day I post the injuries on the camp threads. Most of them are unknown. For the ones we know, Judge never told the reporters. For example, for tonight:
RB Saquon Barkley (knee), RB Gary Brightwell (unknown), WR Kenny Golladay (hamstring), WR Kadarius Toney (unknown), WR John Ross (hamstring?), WR Austin Mack (hamstring), TE Kyle Rudolph (PUP - foot), OG Shane Lemieux (knee), OC Jonotthan Harrison (unknown), LB Lorenzo Carter (calf), LB Elerson Smith (hamstring), CB Aaron Robinson (PUP - core muscle), CB Sam Beal (unknown), CB Jarren Williams (unknown), and S Chris Milton (unknown) did not play.
And we only know about Elerson because a reporter found out from an unofficial source (probably the player). Same with Carter (calf). Ross and Mack are guesses based on reporter tweets of what they saw in practice.
or make a statement on if people should or shouldn’t get vaccines. From a data analysis standpoint 50.2% of people from Florida have been fully vaccinated. A coin toss, so it’s not crazy to say he may be unvaccinated.
I’m not even in NY so I googled it, 7 days ago they did pass a vaccine requirement for indoor dining. So is it crazy to think a pro sports team in that same city would be pushing for more extreme measures than the rest of America?
This isn’t about my personal views at all which I would not be included to share given the no political discussion policy that I am very much in line with respecting as those discussions are entirely unproductive.
So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Remind us of this comment around Game #15.
RE: RE: Are you even allowed to have undisclosed injuries?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
RE: RE: RE: Are you even allowed to have undisclosed injuries?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
All of this COVID stuff is speculation. Toney did have some kind of ankle thing or something if I remember correctly earlier in camp. He probably tweaked it again and while he may have been able to play if it was a regular season game they held him out.
They don’t have to disclose injuries in preseason so why bother in this case?
The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it
why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me
It was the same thing with Waller the past few weeks. He was completely missing from camp for days. Fans were even speculating he may have been “back on drugs” as he had a problem early in his career or that he was holding out for a bigger contract. Ends up being a minor ankle injury and he was back in the team weight room late this past week. Honestly, if I was a coach, I wouldn’t disclose anything to the media if I didn’t have to. When does sharing info with the media help anyone?
RE: The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it
Held out of the “open practice” seems like that to me. I don’t know to keep, Toney has already gotten some weird media coverage I’d want to be specific about the injury to get it less attention TBH but this has always been just a theory. I’m not married to it, just presenting the confluence of factors
Held out of the “open practice” seems like that to me. I don’t know to keep, Toney has already gotten some weird media coverage I’d want to be specific about the injury to get it less attention TBH but this has always been just a theory. I’m not married to it, just presenting the confluence of factors
He worked on the sideline with the other injured players such as Barkley. He wasn't off to the side by himself. A bunch of players didn't play on Wednesday.
nothing more amusing than non medical, non football, uninformed people
making uninformed guesses about Covid, a players immune state, the role of vaccine and immunity, and a players injury, illness, or other problem that they don’t have any information about.
Yet they have all the speculative answers to very complicated issues without “facts” or as far as I can tell much knowledge or experience. this is worse than cable news.
In addition, whatever the status of fandom is, we have no right or claim to be informed of our #1 draft choices purported injury, illness, or whatever.
The team or player will tell us whenever it’s in their interest to do so.
Interesting you can’t speculate here on the “ state of the nation” but to speculate on a players private medical information is considered OK. USA 2021.
Q: (Wide Receiver Kadarius) Toney, we didn't see him out there at all for warmups or on the sideline. Any update on what’s going on?
A: Any injured player who was not going to be able to play in the game tonight, we didn't put on the sideline. Everyone who was on the sideline would have been healthy enough to participate in the game. The only exception would be (Running Back) Saquon (Barkley) and if it's a captain, there's a different deal. Sometimes, we'll let them on the field.
Q: What’s Kadarius’s injury?
A: Yeah, I'm not gonna disclose any person's individual injury at this moment, but we hope to get him out there this week.
Q: Is that something new though? When did that happen?
A: You know, he's been dealing with it for a little bit. Something was aggravated in practice towards the tail end of this week, so he was unable to play tonight.
or make a statement on if people should or shouldn’t get vaccines. From a data analysis standpoint 50.2% of people from Florida have been fully vaccinated. A coin toss, so it’s not crazy to say he may be unvaccinated.
I’m not even in NY so I googled it, 7 days ago they did pass a vaccine requirement for indoor dining. So is it crazy to think a pro sports team in that same city would be pushing for more extreme measures than the rest of America?
This isn’t about my personal views at all which I would not be included to share given the no political discussion policy that I am very much in line with respecting as those discussions are entirely unproductive.
Toney was just recently drafted, I’m sure he identifies more as a Floridian than a New Yorker as of now and the facts are half of people from Florida are not vaccinated and NY is one of the most aggressively pro-vax places N.Y.C. will require workers and customers show proof of at least one dose for indoor dining and other activities. - ( New Window )
You do understand how percentages work, right? If there were 2 people in your neighborhood and 1 person was vaccinated, then you’re at 50%. But if you have 10 people in your neighborhood and 4 people were vaccinated then you’re at only 40% despite having 4x more people vaccinated. Florida is one of the most populous states in the country - roughly 22 million people and 11 million of them have been vaccinated which is the 4th highest number of vaccinated people by state in the nation and double the number of people who have been vaccinated in NJ. How you can draw any conclusions from a random percentage about whether Toney was vaccinated is beyond me.
why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me
Toney was at fan fest. There is video of him throwing footballs to the fans. Do you think if he had Covid or was experiencing symptoms he would have not only been around the team, but playing catch with the fans?
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.
A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???
B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???
That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?
Jesus.
Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.
was on the sidelines the whole Fanfest working with a trainer. He seemed fine didn't notice any limp. That was Wednesday not sure that lines up with late week aggravation.
I think people at this point or laying Judge's notorious secrecy at
the feet of KT. I think it's pretty clear at this point he has an injury that he doesn't want to talk about at all. Expect the same about Saquon right up until kickoff week 1.
That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?
Jesus.
Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.
So did Odell, until he destroyed the league his rookie year.
Some press comments about Toney following the game...
Toney has not practiced much this spring or summer for a wide range of circumstances. The disclosure of an injury that Judge declined to offer specifics explains why the wide receiver didn't participate in practice much this past week. "He's been dealing with it for a little bit. Something that was aggravated in practice toward the tail end of this week," Judge said. "So he was unable to play."
Toney was not active for the game, and so stayed inside during warm ups, FanSided has learned.
Prior to Saturday night’s contest, Toney wasn’t even out on the field for pre-game warmups. Even injured players such as linebackers Lorenzo Carter and Elerson Smith went through drills prior to the game.
Toney also wasn't seen on the sideline. Other players who did not participate in the game, such as star running back Saquon Barkley, veteran wide receiver Sterling Shepard and offensive lineman Nate Solder, were present on the sideline.
This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?
Jesus.
Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.
So did Odell, until he destroyed the league his rookie year.
So is this your expectation? That he’ll do what Odell did? If we’re checking history, there’s far more examples of young players whose first years start out like this and are derailed.
So is this your expectation? That he’ll do what Odell did? If we’re checking history, there’s far more examples of young players whose first years start out like this and are derailed.
It's not my expectation, but to say he's heading for a redshirt year is asinine considering the injury can't be too serious or they would have divulged and he's working with trainers on the sideline. Redshirt implies that he isn't playing this year. It's a bombastic word for this situation.
I used Odell as a comp because he too had nagging injuries all camp and then lit it up regardless.
RE: RE: The lack of reporting on the injury is just part of it
Toney was at fan fest. There is video of him throwing footballs to the fans. Do you think if he had Covid or was experiencing symptoms he would have not only been around the team, but playing catch with the fans?
If his recent bout with Covid is impacting his play, it’s not a matter of being contagious, it could be a matter of respiratory, pulmonary, or fatigue issues as an after effect.
For the record I believe Judge, that it’s an injury not lingering effects from Covid. That’s great news, because as we’ve seen with other players, it can really sink a season.
Now, he's a 1st round pick and I'm an FP&A Analyst, but I can't imagine joining a new team, at a new level, and missing so much time right away. It's gotta be a horrible feeling. Or not? Wonder what's really going on with the guy.
Now, he's a 1st round pick and I'm an FP&A Analyst, but I can't imagine joining a new team, at a new level, and missing so much time right away. It's gotta be a horrible feeling. Or not? Wonder what's really going on with the guy.
I am saying the fact that he had COVID and is potentially unvaccinated could be causing trouble when he plays in an area that is a city that is one of the most pro-vax and willing to enforce pro-vax laws in the country.
It’s definitely weird. See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?
Him being unvaccinated wouldn’t be a cut and dry thing where everyone in the building was in agreement on how to handle it.
The way people are with the Giants sometimes is they need to see a ridiculous amount of proof to even entertain something as possible.
Sometimes all you get in life are some dots to connect and there are connected dots here that lack good explanations
Lighten up a little. Giants weren't playing many players they know are on the team. We have a long season ahead, maybe its important that they play in regular season games, and maybe it's not critical that you guys know everything going on with the team. Since we are fans we really are not part of the decision making process in the short term. This gets worse every year.
See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?
Read the clips again. The only injured player on the sideline during the game was Barkley and Judge explained that. Solder and Shepard are not injured.
Other injured players mentioned (Carter, Smith) participated in pre-game drills. Evidently they are at a point in their recovery where they could do so. Not all injured players were drilling.
RE: Some press comments about Toney following the game...
This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.
It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.
RE: RE: Again I say again I’m not saying Toney has COVID
See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?
Read the clips again. The only injured player on the sideline during the game was Barkley and Judge explained that. Solder and Shepard are not injured.
Other injured players mentioned (Carter, Smith) participated in pre-game drills. Evidently they are at a point in their recovery where they could do so. Not all injured players were drilling.
Ok well why have we seen so little of Toney then? That’s what I keep asking
He's injured. He was limited all week and even missed practice one day
He's too injured to do drills and the injured players aren't on the sideline. Judge said he wants to get him back out there next week, so I imagine this thread is going to look awfully foolish in two weeks time. You guys are looking way too much into this. He's had an unusual offseason, but if there was some sort of legal situation going on he'd be away and I don't get the COVID speculation at all. He's intermingling with people.
Is it a shock that Judge is mum on injuries when he doesn't have to be forthright at all considering he's a disciple of Belichick? You guys are looking waaaaay too much into this.
I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
I said tend, not always. I go back to Joe Don Looney.
Eat shit. I only posted it as a speculation and stated I had no idea.
But do think for one minute that if I was correct Judge would blab it out for the media? If Judge isn't happy with Toney I am sure it will be kept between him, Toney and a select few.
I am not saying that this is the case but only that it is a possibility.
It’s been training camp and one preseason game and people are getting the vapors over Toney?
For all of BBI who shit on Jones regularly, here’s how his rookie preseason went (see link). NFL.com called it historic. He went 4-0, threw for 29-34 (85% completion rate), 416 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and averaged a 132.8 passer rating. How highly do you think the preseason correlates to NFL success now? Is Jones a great quarterback in your opinion because of his amazing preseason? If you’re going to write off Toney because of the preseason before the kid ever plays an NFL game, then at least be consistent and say Jones is the second coming of Montana because of the preseason.
This is a business. No NFL team provides information just because fans think they have a right to know or in order to alleviate some fans handwringing. They operate in the best interests of their organization and they don’t always tell you the what’s and why’s. People have this weird feeling that they need to know every detail and if the team doesn’t do so, there must be something wrong. Link - ( New Window )
I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
well, Zeke, the early impression I got was that Odell was seriously injured. Now he is 28 years old and many are pointing to a long term diminishment of his abilities already during what should be his prime. I think the first impression was absolutely valid.
I tend to agree with Al, although you always need to qualify it. Of course, there are exceptions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So just reading the tea leaves on Toney a bit
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.
A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???
B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???
Come on...
He was listed on the Covid protocol. Who knows why but the length of time suggests he had it. However, after a certain point he was not infectious and could be around other people. But that doesn’t mean that he was not suffering from the effects of Covid. As judge says, it effects people differently. So, he could still be suffering from the after-effects of Covid. It’s all speculation because they haven’t told us.
Three Boston players, all young, all athletes in premium shape. All had Covid.
Eduardo Rodriguez - had myocarditis and was out for the year
Jason Tatum - out several weeks past being infected. Had breathing issues and had to use an inhaler for the rest of the season (never had used one before)
Evan Fournier -suffered massive headaches for several weeks after being infected and had vision difficulties for nearly a month. Comp,wined he couldn’t see on the court.
Covid is not always you get sick and you’re done.
RE: RE: Some press comments about Toney following the game...
This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.
It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.
I don’t think any of those concerns were about him not coming to p,au. They were more about off the field things.
RE: RE: RE: Some press comments about Toney following the game...
This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.
It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.
I don’t think any of those concerns were about him not coming to p,au. They were more about off the field things.
Correct. I recall reading that he is also a skilled rapper and there was a thought that rapping may be more important to him than football. Who knows....but at this point, I think we all need to hear at least one positive practice report about him getting out there and turning heads. Havent come close to that yet.
The rest aren’t really speculative, New York is pretty far along on vaccination requirements for things like indoor eating. Florida is one of the less vaccinated states with some of the highest incidence of COVID.
I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.
Kadarius Toney back with Giants after testing positive for COVID-19 - ( New Window )
I Would say 542k from number 10 on list to 24 is marginal at best for these size states. The narrative Florida is anti Vax. Just is not accurate.
24. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,813,286
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.35
10. New York
Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,355,896
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.37
If he identifies more as a Floridian than anything else,
It was said above that Toney was nowhere to be seen at FanFest when he was not only working on the sidelines, but identified as such in several reports.
Clinging to falsehoods while saying other fans require much more proof to connect dots is pretty laughable. Some people actually want dots to exist and be based in reality.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So just reading the tea leaves on Toney a bit
think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.
A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???
B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???
Come on...
He was listed on the Covid protocol. Who knows why but the length of time suggests he had it. However, after a certain point he was not infectious and could be around other people. But that doesn’t mean that he was not suffering from the effects of Covid. As judge says, it effects people differently. So, he could still be suffering from the after-effects of Covid. It’s all speculation because they haven’t told us.
Three Boston players, all young, all athletes in premium shape. All had Covid.
Eduardo Rodriguez - had myocarditis and was out for the year
Jason Tatum - out several weeks past being infected. Had breathing issues and had to use an inhaler for the rest of the season (never had used one before)
Evan Fournier -suffered massive headaches for several weeks after being infected and had vision difficulties for nearly a month. Comp,wined he couldn’t see on the court.
Covid is not always you get sick and you’re done.
Bill - thanks for this. Too many still don't j understand COVID and it's possible effects. I still hear si many talking about it like it's a cold. Even when there is nothing more than child-like symptoms, there is the possibility of a lot of things going on in your body. I can attest to that first hand.
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
All of this COVID stuff is speculation. Toney did have some kind of ankle thing or something if I remember correctly earlier in camp. He probably tweaked it again and while he may have been able to play if it was a regular season game they held him out.
They don’t have to disclose injuries in preseason so why bother in this case?
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said the main objective tonight was to evaluate players. Individually there were some positives, but they have to raise their level collectively.
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said Kadarius Toney aggravated something late this week and was unable to play. They hope to get him back this week.
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@PLeonardNYDN
Joe Judge says Kadarius Toney is injured, says he aggravated something near the tail end of this week, that all injured players who weren’t able to play were removed from the sideline. Judge says Giants need to better with fundamentals and play at a higher level. #Giants
No. He specifically said he aggravated a previous injury.
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@ZackBlatt
Joe Judge said he just wanted to give Darius Slayton some reps but there’s nothing to read into him playing tonight while others rested.
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said Carter Coughlin has flashed positively throughout camp and certainly did so tonight. He’s one of the guys they circled to see in live action.
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@ZackBlatt
Joe Judge shouted out Carter Coughlin, Cam Brown, Matt Cole and CJ Board as standouts tonight. The latter two for special teams. #Giants
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
Jesus.
Thorton made 1 play. Both backups left plays on the field. Thorton , i'm sorry, is not good, and Glennon is for a backup QB "OK" at best. Thorton is debatable if he's even practice squad level.
A few players showed something today. Stills, Harper, Shelton, Thomas, a few nice plays from Hernandez (sans the penalty), Dixon ,(for the most part) Couglin played well. Board showed his limitations - He's a good ST player but he dropped a ball he had to catch and Clement showed why he is what he is, (he's good outside the tackles but not up the middle), Harper was pretty good. Penny had a solid block or two.
Te play was uninspiring which is not good in any offense, especially a Garret offensem but neither Engram or Rudolph played.
Giants OL depth wasn't good, but it wasn't as bad as I thought. If Murphy is hurt , hurt they need another guy to eat snaps.
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
how are saquon and Gollady damaged goods? because they both had 1 seaaon ending injury??
Rudolph is older but still productive..
and stop with Toney he is a rookie who they are treating with kid gloves
Huh???
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
I can't anymore
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So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
how are saquon and Gollady damaged goods? because they both had 1 seaaon ending injury??
Rudolph is older but still productive..
and stop with Toney he is a rookie who they are treating with kid gloves
It is not going to be easy for Saquon to stay healthy. His injury last year was not something that just goes away. So that is two years in a row he missed time, lots of time last year. I’d be shocked if stayed healthy all year, especially the way he runs.
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
While it's very possible he's feeling the effects of long-term Covid and I'd imagine the team would be cautious with his workload if that is the case..but since when has Judge been detailed about injury info? I'd disagree and say that teams go out of there way to give as little info on injuries as possible.
Regardless, as I thought, he has not been held out because of COVID. He had an undisclosed injury, and he just re-aggravated it.
Unless you think Judge is lying.
One non-fact - he got COVID (no, we don't know that. We know he tested positive for CoV-2.) . followed by three other speculative statements, followed by 'I know some people don't like facts.' wow.
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So far, this new high powered offense hasn’t seen:
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
how are saquon and Gollady damaged goods? because they both had 1 seaaon ending injury??
Rudolph is older but still productive..
and stop with Toney he is a rookie who they are treating with kid gloves
It is not going to be easy for Saquon to stay healthy. His injury last year was not something that just goes away. So that is two years in a row he missed time, lots of time last year. I’d be shocked if stayed healthy all year, especially the way he runs.
What are you talking about? he tore his acl, he didnt get his leg amputated, he had the surgery to fix his acl, rehab and now the injury goes away lol..
What do you mean it doesnt go away?
Would you want your rookie first rounder to have to deal with the circus around the vaccination conversation in the NY media? No, I’d want his agent and lawyers to figure out how to handle it, I’d buy more time to maybe see how cases that are currently in the pipeline to handle this stuff might work out. Hell, the Giants may be trying to petition the league to get permission to force him to do it or they might have told him he has to and he’s petitioning the league not to
Regardless if he is lying I don’t think he’s out on a limb. Would not surprise me to hear that the league would like to handle this quietly too
I’ve never seen an injury go this far with this much vagueness around it
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
I was going to say you can't be this dumb but.....
Damaged goods? OMG....
Regardless, as I thought, he has not been held out because of COVID. He had an undisclosed injury, and he just re-aggravated it.
Unless you think Judge is lying.
I take Judge for his word. Tweaking an injury is much better than having lingering effects from Covid. Glad it doesn’t seem to be that.
I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.
Kadarius Toney back with Giants after testing positive for COVID-19 - ( New Window )
I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.
Kadarius Toney back with Giants after testing positive for COVID-19 - ( New Window )
Thanks for the that. I didn't see any confirmation that he actually tested positive. But he was the first COVID player off of the list. The team doctors cleared him BEFORE Martinez (who was vaccinated) and Kalu and Rysen.
Judge just said he was injured and re-aggravated the injury in practice late this week.
I am not sure what you are saying unless you are trying to say Judge is lying.
Also, not sure why you are bringing Florida into this unless you are trying to make a political statement (which will get you banned).
Would you want your rookie first rounder to have to deal with the circus around the vaccination conversation in the NY media? No, I’d want his agent and lawyers to figure out how to handle it, I’d buy more time to maybe see how cases that are currently in the pipeline to handle this stuff might work out. Hell, the Giants may be trying to petition the league to get permission to force him to do it or they might have told him he has to and he’s petitioning the league not to
Regardless if he is lying I don’t think he’s out on a limb. Would not surprise me to hear that the league would like to handle this quietly too
I’ve never seen an injury go this far with this much vagueness around it
I have, just this week actually. Darren Waller, probably the second best TE in the league and the best player on the Raiders missed two weeks of practice and no one would say why. Ended up being a minor ankle injury they didn’t feel like disclosing immediately. Everything on planet Earth isn’t related to COVID.
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Every day I post the injuries on the camp threads. Most of them are unknown. For the ones we know, Judge never told the reporters. For example, for tonight:
RB Saquon Barkley (knee), RB Gary Brightwell (unknown), WR Kenny Golladay (hamstring), WR Kadarius Toney (unknown), WR John Ross (hamstring?), WR Austin Mack (hamstring), TE Kyle Rudolph (PUP - foot), OG Shane Lemieux (knee), OC Jonotthan Harrison (unknown), LB Lorenzo Carter (calf), LB Elerson Smith (hamstring), CB Aaron Robinson (PUP - core muscle), CB Sam Beal (unknown), CB Jarren Williams (unknown), and S Chris Milton (unknown) did not play.
And we only know about Elerson because a reporter found out from an unofficial source (probably the player). Same with Carter (calf). Ross and Mack are guesses based on reporter tweets of what they saw in practice.
I’m not even in NY so I googled it, 7 days ago they did pass a vaccine requirement for indoor dining. So is it crazy to think a pro sports team in that same city would be pushing for more extreme measures than the rest of America?
This isn’t about my personal views at all which I would not be included to share given the no political discussion policy that I am very much in line with respecting as those discussions are entirely unproductive.
Toney was just recently drafted, I’m sure he identifies more as a Floridian than a New Yorker as of now and the facts are half of people from Florida are not vaccinated and NY is one of the most aggressively pro-vax places
N.Y.C. will require workers and customers show proof of at least one dose for indoor dining and other activities. - ( New Window )
Saquon
Golladay
Toney
Rudolph
So basically, it’s the same as last year. Oh, and By the way, all 4 of those guys are damaged goods. Who knows how many games we will get out of the 4. Maybe 32 total.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Remind us of this comment around Game #15.
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What are other examples of that?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
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What are other examples of that?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
All of this COVID stuff is speculation. Toney did have some kind of ankle thing or something if I remember correctly earlier in camp. He probably tweaked it again and while he may have been able to play if it was a regular season game they held him out.
They don’t have to disclose injuries in preseason so why bother in this case?
this
It was the same thing with Waller the past few weeks. He was completely missing from camp for days. Fans were even speculating he may have been “back on drugs” as he had a problem early in his career or that he was holding out for a bigger contract. Ends up being a minor ankle injury and he was back in the team weight room late this past week. Honestly, if I was a coach, I wouldn’t disclose anything to the media if I didn’t have to. When does sharing info with the media help anyone?
He was there. He worked on the side.
He worked on the sideline with the other injured players such as Barkley. He wasn't off to the side by himself. A bunch of players didn't play on Wednesday.
Yet they have all the speculative answers to very complicated issues without “facts” or as far as I can tell much knowledge or experience. this is worse than cable news.
In addition, whatever the status of fandom is, we have no right or claim to be informed of our #1 draft choices purported injury, illness, or whatever.
The team or player will tell us whenever it’s in their interest to do so.
Interesting you can’t speculate here on the “ state of the nation” but to speculate on a players private medical information is considered OK. USA 2021.
A: Any injured player who was not going to be able to play in the game tonight, we didn't put on the sideline. Everyone who was on the sideline would have been healthy enough to participate in the game. The only exception would be (Running Back) Saquon (Barkley) and if it's a captain, there's a different deal. Sometimes, we'll let them on the field.
Q: What’s Kadarius’s injury?
A: Yeah, I'm not gonna disclose any person's individual injury at this moment, but we hope to get him out there this week.
Q: Is that something new though? When did that happen?
A: You know, he's been dealing with it for a little bit. Something was aggravated in practice towards the tail end of this week, so he was unable to play tonight.
I’m not even in NY so I googled it, 7 days ago they did pass a vaccine requirement for indoor dining. So is it crazy to think a pro sports team in that same city would be pushing for more extreme measures than the rest of America?
This isn’t about my personal views at all which I would not be included to share given the no political discussion policy that I am very much in line with respecting as those discussions are entirely unproductive.
Toney was just recently drafted, I’m sure he identifies more as a Floridian than a New Yorker as of now and the facts are half of people from Florida are not vaccinated and NY is one of the most aggressively pro-vax places N.Y.C. will require workers and customers show proof of at least one dose for indoor dining and other activities. - ( New Window )
You do understand how percentages work, right? If there were 2 people in your neighborhood and 1 person was vaccinated, then you’re at 50%. But if you have 10 people in your neighborhood and 4 people were vaccinated then you’re at only 40% despite having 4x more people vaccinated. Florida is one of the most populous states in the country - roughly 22 million people and 11 million of them have been vaccinated which is the 4th highest number of vaccinated people by state in the nation and double the number of people who have been vaccinated in NJ. How you can draw any conclusions from a random percentage about whether Toney was vaccinated is beyond me.
Toney was at fan fest. There is video of him throwing footballs to the fans. Do you think if he had Covid or was experiencing symptoms he would have not only been around the team, but playing catch with the fans?
How impressed were you with Moore last night?
Regardless, as I thought, he has not been held out because of COVID. He had an undisclosed injury, and he just re-aggravated it.
Unless you think Judge is lying.
Eric - You called this in your game preview!
Nice Job.
Yes Moore looked great last not, he definitely didn’t miss the game with injury like Toney.
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.
A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???
B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???
Come on...
Jesus.
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That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?
Jesus.
Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.
So did Odell, until he destroyed the league his rookie year.
Toney has not practiced much this spring or summer for a wide range of circumstances. The disclosure of an injury that Judge declined to offer specifics explains why the wide receiver didn't participate in practice much this past week. "He's been dealing with it for a little bit. Something that was aggravated in practice toward the tail end of this week," Judge said. "So he was unable to play."
Toney was not active for the game, and so stayed inside during warm ups, FanSided has learned.
Prior to Saturday night’s contest, Toney wasn’t even out on the field for pre-game warmups. Even injured players such as linebackers Lorenzo Carter and Elerson Smith went through drills prior to the game.
Toney also wasn't seen on the sideline. Other players who did not participate in the game, such as star running back Saquon Barkley, veteran wide receiver Sterling Shepard and offensive lineman Nate Solder, were present on the sideline.
This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
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That's a dreadful take. How are Toney and Galloway "damaged goods"?
Jesus.
Toney may not be damaged goods, but he’s certainly been looking like a guy all throughout who’s looking like he’s headed for a redshirt year. Aggravated something? Doing what? He’s barely participated in anything, for one thing after another.
So did Odell, until he destroyed the league his rookie year.
So is this your expectation? That he’ll do what Odell did? If we’re checking history, there’s far more examples of young players whose first years start out like this and are derailed.
It's not my expectation, but to say he's heading for a redshirt year is asinine considering the injury can't be too serious or they would have divulged and he's working with trainers on the sideline. Redshirt implies that he isn't playing this year. It's a bombastic word for this situation.
I used Odell as a comp because he too had nagging injuries all camp and then lit it up regardless.
If his recent bout with Covid is impacting his play, it’s not a matter of being contagious, it could be a matter of respiratory, pulmonary, or fatigue issues as an after effect.
For the record I believe Judge, that it’s an injury not lingering effects from Covid. That’s great news, because as we’ve seen with other players, it can really sink a season.
Jesus.
How many times has Galladay played a full season?
Agree. Something is going on...
It’s definitely weird. See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?
Him being unvaccinated wouldn’t be a cut and dry thing where everyone in the building was in agreement on how to handle it.
The way people are with the Giants sometimes is they need to see a ridiculous amount of proof to even entertain something as possible.
Sometimes all you get in life are some dots to connect and there are connected dots here that lack good explanations
But something is going on with Toney...
Read the clips again. The only injured player on the sideline during the game was Barkley and Judge explained that. Solder and Shepard are not injured.
Other injured players mentioned (Carter, Smith) participated in pre-game drills. Evidently they are at a point in their recovery where they could do so. Not all injured players were drilling.
This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.
It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.
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See Googs article above. Anyone got a good explanation for why other injured players where on the sideline last night and he wasn’t?
Read the clips again. The only injured player on the sideline during the game was Barkley and Judge explained that. Solder and Shepard are not injured.
Other injured players mentioned (Carter, Smith) participated in pre-game drills. Evidently they are at a point in their recovery where they could do so. Not all injured players were drilling.
Ok well why have we seen so little of Toney then? That’s what I keep asking
Is it a shock that Judge is mum on injuries when he doesn't have to be forthright at all considering he's a disciple of Belichick? You guys are looking waaaaay too much into this.
I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
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I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
Eat shit. I only posted it as a speculation and stated I had no idea.
But do think for one minute that if I was correct Judge would blab it out for the media? If Judge isn't happy with Toney I am sure it will be kept between him, Toney and a select few.
I am not saying that this is the case but only that it is a possibility.
For all of BBI who shit on Jones regularly, here’s how his rookie preseason went (see link). NFL.com called it historic. He went 4-0, threw for 29-34 (85% completion rate), 416 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and averaged a 132.8 passer rating. How highly do you think the preseason correlates to NFL success now? Is Jones a great quarterback in your opinion because of his amazing preseason? If you’re going to write off Toney because of the preseason before the kid ever plays an NFL game, then at least be consistent and say Jones is the second coming of Montana because of the preseason.
This is a business. No NFL team provides information just because fans think they have a right to know or in order to alleviate some fans handwringing. They operate in the best interests of their organization and they don’t always tell you the what’s and why’s. People have this weird feeling that they need to know every detail and if the team doesn’t do so, there must be something wrong.
Link - ( New Window )
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I have seen with the Giants over the years. My memory does not allow me to give details but it seems that the very early impressions (good or bad) of Giants first round draft choices tend to be confirmed in the long term. This contradicts my general wait and see attitude for most things.
I mean we don't have to go into ancient history for a first round pick that pretty much missed all of a camp that lit it up when he hit the field. Guy is infamous around these parts.
I tend to agree with Al, although you always need to qualify it. Of course, there are exceptions.
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.
A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???
B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???
Come on...
He was listed on the Covid protocol. Who knows why but the length of time suggests he had it. However, after a certain point he was not infectious and could be around other people. But that doesn’t mean that he was not suffering from the effects of Covid. As judge says, it effects people differently. So, he could still be suffering from the after-effects of Covid. It’s all speculation because they haven’t told us.
Three Boston players, all young, all athletes in premium shape. All had Covid.
Eduardo Rodriguez - had myocarditis and was out for the year
Jason Tatum - out several weeks past being infected. Had breathing issues and had to use an inhaler for the rest of the season (never had used one before)
Evan Fournier -suffered massive headaches for several weeks after being infected and had vision difficulties for nearly a month. Comp,wined he couldn’t see on the court.
Covid is not always you get sick and you’re done.
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This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.
It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.
I don’t think any of those concerns were about him not coming to p,au. They were more about off the field things.
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This continues the inauspicious start to Toney's career with the Giants. He has now missed time from the spring to summer because of a cleat problem, his contract, a family emergency, COVID-19 and now an undisclosed injury.
Sy mentioned a few times - pre and post draft - that he had concerns about Toney the person. He didn't get into specifics, but maybe some of that is manifesting itself already. Because since the draft, it's always something with this guy.
It's very early, but right the KT pick is not inspiring.
I don’t think any of those concerns were about him not coming to p,au. They were more about off the field things.
Correct. I recall reading that he is also a skilled rapper and there was a thought that rapping may be more important to him than football. Who knows....but at this point, I think we all need to hear at least one positive practice report about him getting out there and turning heads. Havent come close to that yet.
I’m linking an article that says he “tested positive for COVID” so yeah I’m sticking with what I said. COVID has a much bigger problem with false negatives than false positives.
Kadarius Toney back with Giants after testing positive for COVID-19 - ( New Window )
I Would say 542k from number 10 on list to 24 is marginal at best for these size states. The narrative Florida is anti Vax. Just is not accurate.
24. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,813,286
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.35
10. New York
Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,355,896
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.37
It was said above that Toney was nowhere to be seen at FanFest when he was not only working on the sidelines, but identified as such in several reports.
Clinging to falsehoods while saying other fans require much more proof to connect dots is pretty laughable. Some people actually want dots to exist and be based in reality.
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think he could be unvaccinated, he got sick. Coaching staff may have been ok to let him roll with it and after he got sick not so much. Maybe a behind the scenes negotiation going on about what to do which is why there is all the cloak and dagger
Huh???
What is so crazy about that?
He got COVID
He went to college in a state with some of the lower vaccination rates
We aren’t really getting much information on the injury keeping him out just a standoffish statement from Judge
We know that not everyone is vaccinated on the team and while for other teams that might be more acceptable we know New Yorkers are one of the more vax heavy places. Many even moving towards proof to he inside
When of the beat writers said this week he thought there was something weird going on with Toney
I know some people don’t like facts. Perhaps to add to your “huh” you’d like to suggest why we are getting such little information on his injury, it’s highly atypical for that to happen in the NFL where we get such frequent injury updates that often go into great detail
I think your trying to uncover a mystery that does not exist.
A. If he's unvaccinated doesn't he get tested everyday before entering the facility???
B. If he got COVID right now, like you say, do you really think the Giants would have let him throw footballs back and forth to fans at Fanfest???
Come on...
He was listed on the Covid protocol. Who knows why but the length of time suggests he had it. However, after a certain point he was not infectious and could be around other people. But that doesn’t mean that he was not suffering from the effects of Covid. As judge says, it effects people differently. So, he could still be suffering from the after-effects of Covid. It’s all speculation because they haven’t told us.
Three Boston players, all young, all athletes in premium shape. All had Covid.
Eduardo Rodriguez - had myocarditis and was out for the year
Jason Tatum - out several weeks past being infected. Had breathing issues and had to use an inhaler for the rest of the season (never had used one before)
Evan Fournier -suffered massive headaches for several weeks after being infected and had vision difficulties for nearly a month. Comp,wined he couldn’t see on the court.
Covid is not always you get sick and you’re done.
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What are other examples of that?
“Toney did not warm up or appear on the sidelines during the game“
-SBnation
“Giants fans hoping to get their first in-person look at first-round pick Kadarius Toney had to be disappointed that the rookie receiver out of Florida was held out of the open practice for maintenance reasons“
-NY Post
He’s your first round pick, surely you’d like the fans to at least see him. I’ve seen players crutch around the sidelines before. One of the beat writers said there was something weird going on too, maybe someone else remembers which one
Not from this policy statement I just found on nfl.com via Google:
“The policy requires that teams provide credible, accurate and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league’s broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason.”
It’s likely different because these games mean nothing.
I’m not even trying to say the Giants or Judge are the ones making this call to deflect from this. I don’t think the NFL wants any stories about this, the NFL could be saying for everyone’s good let’s not talk about this in the open. Let’s not forget about the Ray Rice thing, we can’t pretend that the NFL is above withholding information to manage a story
All of this COVID stuff is speculation. Toney did have some kind of ankle thing or something if I remember correctly earlier in camp. He probably tweaked it again and while he may have been able to play if it was a regular season game they held him out.
They don’t have to disclose injuries in preseason so why bother in this case?