Senior Vice President and General Manager Dave Gettleman
August 17, 2021
Opening Statement: Good morning. Good to see everybody, I hope your families are well as we're all coming out. It’s good to see everybody and let the games begin.
Q: What have you seen so far in camp and what are your expectations for this team?
A: We've had some good work, we really have. The weather's been pretty cooperative. We've had comfortable days and we had a couple of cookers, so that's been really good. We’ve seen some good things -- there wasn't much happening in the spring, all you had was rookie and veteran minicamp when a lot of players took the voluntary thing. We’re making progress. Like (Head Coach) Joe (Judge) says, I believe the team is just as well. Everything's a process and we're moving along. We did some nice things Saturday night, obviously have some things we gotta work on. We’re making progress and I like it.
Q: You’re three-plus weeks into camp, you have a preseason game under your belt. As of now, what would you say your biggest concern is?
A: I'm a little more patient than that. Listen, upgrading the roster is a 12 month process. You’re looking at improving all the time and right now it's because you don't have your full complement of players out there. We really treated this last game, the first game, like the fourth preseason, which is generally speaking what you see. We wanted to get the chance to make sure, before we make any hot decisions, that we really get a chance to evaluate all the young kids and the new players we brought in. So, we're always looking at every position to answer your question. You improve as you go.
Q: Along those lines, there's obviously a lot of optimism about (Quarterback) Daniel Jones making that leap this year, but how much of the trade during the draft to get that additional first round pick next year was kind of an insurance against that not happening?
A: Not even a thought. No. The trade was made because the opportunity was there and there was an opportunity to get an incredible amount of value and we really liked the position that we were in. So, no, that was not done as any kind of hedge. We believe in Daniel, we’re excited to see what he's going to do in the second year in the system. Before this last year, it was his third system in three years, so this'll be the second year in a system. You know how diligent the kid is, we’ve talked about it all the time. He works just as hard on the field as he does off the field. He's more comfortable, he’s more prepared. It’ll be fun to see what happens when we finally give him a full complement of players out there.
Q: (Wide Receiver) Kadarius Toney obviously hasn't been on the field a ton so far for various reasons. What are your thoughts on his start so far? Any kind of level of frustration just not being able to see as much as you'd like?
A: It's that way with any young player. You want them on the field. The COVID-19 piece is real, it affects everybody very differently and that's been a bit of a stop and start. He'll get there, he's working his fanny off, getting healthy. He's had that stop and start and it doesn't make us any less than enthused about him. The kid’s got tremendous talent and he's been great inside with his rehab. He's been terrific in the classroom. He's engaged and the kid wants to be out there. He’s a competitor. I treat contracts like injuries; contracts gets done when they’re supposed to get done, guys get healthy when they're supposed to get healthy, and he’ll be out there and we trust our medical staff.
Q: How do you balance being patient and letting the process play out versus, after seeing so much, maybe we got to start thinking about doing something else? How do you balance that?
A: It’s a process that you keep working through. At some point, at a certain point in time, you know when you’ve got to pull the trigger. I think that since I've been here, you guys have seen I’m not afraid to pull the trigger. So there is a balance. It's an interesting question because we'll know and I think that we need to have another preseason game. Last year, we didn't have this, we didn't have preseason games and it made it difficult. We weren't any different than anybody else, I’m not suggesting for a moment that we were, but at the end of the day we've got to understand when it's time to pull the trigger. Right now, I'm really excited about us going to Cleveland -- I guess some of you folks are going to be out there -- getting a chance to work against them. And then playing on Sunday, I think will give us a real good indicator.
Q: You’ve said many times that it takes three years to evaluate a draft class. I'm curious, how would you evaluate your 2018 class?
A: (RB) Saquon (Barkley) is Saquon. (OL) Will (Hernandez) had a tough season last year, but he is really having a terrific camp. Unfortunately, (LB) Lorenzo (Carter) got hurt last year as he was really coming on, he's ready to go. (DL) B.J. (Hill) has been a steady solid contributor. Obviously, Kyle is gone and RJ’s gone. That’s where that class is.
Q: Seeing the injuries that have caught up to Saquon, do you still feel as passionately as you did in 2018 that running back was the right place to go?
A: Absolutely. Absolutely. Stuff happens, not everything's perfect and there are guys all over this league who get hurt, big-time players. He's done a great job and I feel the same way about him. He's different and he’s going to be ready to go when he’s ready to go.
Q: Obviously though, that stuff does happen more to running backs.
A: I don't know that that's true.
Q: You don't believe that they have shorter career lives than maybe other positions just because of the hits that they take?
A: Really and truly, you can talk about injuries at any position. I would not make a different decision than I made in 2018, plain and simple.
Q: I think I heard you say once that you've changed your philosophy on negotiating contracts in-season, and I'm not asking about Saquon or anybody in particular. You have guys who are going to be free agents after this season. Will you negotiate contracts in-season this year? Have you changed your stance on that?
A: I have. I think it depends upon the guy, I think it depends upon where the team's at. I used to feel that it was a bad idea, but not so much. Have I changed my idea on that? Yes, I'm a lot more flexible on that.
Q: Is (Safety Jabrill) Peppers maybe one of those guys?
A: I don’t discuss contracts.
Q: Do you believe in the theory that quarterbacks, especially with the financial climate, that after three years you’re going to know. Do you believe that after this year you will know one way or another whether Daniel Jones is the guy?
A: We certainly hope so. Again, our game is different than the college game. It's very different. He’s got all the physical skills, he’s got all the mental skills. I'm seeing a lot of good stuff out here in the fact that, as I've said, last year was his third consecutive year in a different system. His decision making is quicker out here, he’s getting rid of the ball quicker, you see he’s throwing the ball well. I think he's making progress and like every other young kid I think we'll have a pretty good idea when the season is over.
Q: You guys made the decision to stick with the offensive linemen you have and let them develop. As we’re a couple of weeks into camp, how do you still feel about that decision? Especially the depth is kind of an issue with guys retiring and getting hurt and stuff like that.
A: That stuff happens. Four of the five starters were out there Saturday night and the offensive line really played pretty well. Listen, you have to have depth everywhere, whether it’s the offensive line, the linebackers, secondary, you need depth, you need to have quality depth. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to do that at every position. Obviously, we didn't expect those guys to retire, but they had their reasons and it's their lives. I wish them the best and respect the decisions they made. They made tough decisions. Training camp is not over, the roster building season never ends. We'll get to where we need to get to.
Q: When you guys released Kevin Zeitler, was the plan to upgrade at guard or address guard more than you have at this point?
A: I think that we believe in Will, we believe in (OL) Shane Lemieux and we're going to continue to look. You’ve got the two guys retiring, you have (OL) Kyle Murphy’s now done for the season, we have to put him on IR. So it's tough, but every day we're looking. My gut tells me that there'll be more movement of those types of players that you feel good about after the second preseason game and maybe even after the cut because you’ve got to remember you now have a full week. Going to cut to the 53, (Head) Coach (Joe Judge) is left a couple of practices, players have Friday, Saturday and Sunday off, so I think you could see some horse trading going on during that period of time.
Q: Do you have the financial flexibility to take on any level of player?
A: I think that whoever's available, you sit down and take a look at. At the end of the day, were going to do what we can do.
Q: At that position there are different tiers of players that you're talking about. Is your focus right now upgrading the depth behind what you see as the starting five or do you think there will be opportunities or you may have to take opportunities to improve that starting five?
A: I think there's a lot of things that are in play in my head. Want to certainly address that position as well as we can. I've learned that if you have patience, stuff happens. All of a sudden, a player becomes available that you weren't expecting. It's kind of like what happened with us in free agency -- all of a sudden (CB) Adoree’ Jackson's available, all of a sudden (TE) Kyle Rudolph's available. There’s a saying, ‘You don't lock your knees,’ so you just sit there and you talk to people, you make phone calls, you watch film, ‘Hey, is this guy available?’ ‘Hey, would you consider moving that guy?’ ‘Hell no,’ ‘Yeah, I would for this.’ You have those conversations. It's a chess piece.
Q: Just as a follow up, yesterday, you guys traded a sixth in 2023 for (Cornerback Keion) Crossen. In terms of draft assets, will you be willing to dip into 2022, and was there a thinking of going beyond that?
A: Really and truly, I prefer not to. We've got ten picks, and doubles in the first, third, and fourth rounds, so we got some pretty good assets there. So, we’ll see, but the bottom line is it's an asset, it’s a chip. It's something you can use. You don't have to, but you don't necessarily hoard to a certain degree. If a guy's worth it, you're going to do it. If the guy's not worth it, you don't do. Being able to get Keion with a ‘23 pick was really something we’re excited about.
Q: Obviously, the wins and losses that have happened over the last three years is not what you would have hoped. Do you believe there needs to be a significant uptick in wins in order for you to deserve to be back next year, objectively speaking?
A: Objectively speaking, I’m not going to put a win total or a number on it. I don't think that we've done a lot of things. I feel like I really love Joe and the process that he's brought and that we've brought. We've worked really hard since I got here in terms of not only being on the field operations, but off the field operations. We’ve made big changes in our football operations, and how we operate. Really and truly, my goal when I got here was whenever I leave here, and however I leave here, that we've set this team up on the field, and off the field. That's been my goal and I feel like we've done that. I’m excited to see what's going to happen.
Q: How has your relationship with (Head Coach) Joe (Judge) progressed, and is it to the point where perhaps yesterday's trade today is an indication that his influence has grown over time?
A: I think that Joe and I are partners. We have a shared vision. We see the ball the same way, which is helpful. We discuss everything thoroughly, and we come to the best giant conclusion that we come to. Yeah, Joe knew Crossen, our pro personnel department, and my grades on him both as a special teams guy. Obviously, you guys all realize how special teams is near and dear to Joe's heart. At the end of the day, the thing that's really neat about Keion is he brings us line of scrimmage value as well as a gunner. So, this is the partnership, we’re working together. We share a vision, and I've enjoyed the hell out of the last two years.
Q: Since you brought it up, how are you feeling, and is your intention to keep on working for as long as you keep feeling well?
A: I feel good, me and James Brown. Some of you younger people may not get that. But anyhow, I feel fine. Listen, some of you guys can speak to it personally, but lymphoma wasn't fun. It wasn't, don't put it on your check list or your bucket list, it's not fun. We got through it. I'm healthy, I’m fine, I feel good, I feel strong. No, I'm not winning any arm wrestling contests, but I feel good. I just keep rolling along.
Q: Do you have to take any special precautions, like for travelling?
A: Me? I had my physical in May and they said just keep doing what you’re doing. You can be doing it with a little less weight, but I like to be jolly.
Q: I know you don't want to put a win-loss total on it, but obviously you’ve been rebuilding for a couple of years and that can't go on indefinitely. Doesn't this have to be the year that you compete for the playoffs, and not just because it's a bad division?
A: Listen, I'm not going to put a win-loss total on it for anybody. We have expectations, everybody's got expectations. I don't think any of us do this to lose, none of us are happy about that. I'm happy with what we've done. I'm really happy with where we’re at, and I think we’ve got a legitimate, completive football team.
Q: I know it's a little different wrinkle. But, along the lines of acquiring talent over the next couple of weeks, with these joint practices, I know some of you guys will be there the whole time. Do you spend time scouting the Browns and scouting the Patriots?
A: Oh, absolutely.
Q: Does that kind of bring a different dimension to it?
A: Absolutely, it does. I'll be there. (Co-Director of Player Personnel) Mark Koncz, (Co-Director of Player Personnel) Tim McDonnell will be there. (Director of College Scouting) Chris Pettit is going to be there. So, we'll all have our guys to look at. Absolutely, it's a scouting process. Obviously, at night, we’ll go back and watch the film. That's one of the nice things because you can get up on top of guys, see their body style, their builds, what they look like it. It’s a great opportunity to scout players up close and personal.
Q: You mentioned Kyle Rudolph earlier. Do you think you'll be ready for week one? Then also, do you have any second thoughts of not restructuring that contract, once you discovered the foot?
A: No, we knew about it all along.
Q: Did you know about it before he had the physical?
A: Yeah, we didn’t go into this blind.
Q: You knew he needed surgery though?
A: Yeah.
Q: When you agreed to terms, did you know he was going to be on PUP?
A: Yeah, do you think I do this for the hobby?
Q: I thought it was discovered during the physical.
A: No, we’re good. We knew it, we’re fine.
Q: Do you expect him for week one?
A: Like I said with injuries, he'll get healthy when he's healthy. He's working his fanny off. We'll see what happens.
Q: Going to Cleveland this week, you're going to get a chance to see (Browns Wide Receiver) Odell Beckham Jr. again. I'm just curious of your thoughts of your receiving core today versus where it was, and how far it's come since you've made that trade?
A: I like our group right now, I really do. It’s just a matter of getting everybody on the field, and getting in rhythm with Daniel, and doing those kinds of things. I’m very happy with where this group is.
Q: To piggyback on that question, when you made that trade, you said you wanted two or three years to assess how well you had done in that trade. Looking back on it, do you feel like you got enough? Are you happy with what you acquired?
A: Well, I can turn it around with that question back at you. I'm happy. We got (Defensive Tackle) Dexter (Lawrence). (Linebacker Oshane) Ximines has had his injury issues, but when he's been out there, he's shown promise. (Safety) Jabrill (Peppers) has done a hell of a job for us, so I like that group.
Q: Tim McDonnell got a little bump in his title. Can you just talk about what he brings to your guys’ personnel room?
A: Timmy is very bright. He’s a really good scout. He’s just one of those people – there’s the saying, if you want something done, give it to a busy man and that’s Tim. He brings a nice, fresh outlook to everything. He and Mark Koncz do a hell of a job with really working and setting up processes. With the 53, we’re ready to discuss that. As the trade deadline gets closer and closer, we’ve already started the trade process. Looking at those kinds of things, we're getting much further ahead of the process than we were before and Timmy’s great with that, as well as Mark as well. Timmy’s a very bright and promising guy.
Q: That increases his involvement in those processes or that kind of initial where you’re going with it?
A: He's part of helping develop those processes.
Q: When you get down to the 53, will vaccination have any say in the decision or is it just on the field?
A: No, the 53 best players will be on our 53. That is it, that is it. You've got right now, every team has guys in various stages. Some guys have had one shot, some guys have had two shots and they're waiting for the two-week period for the full vaccination, so everybody's in different stages. Obviously, the guys that have not fully completed are masked up right now. They’ve all done a great job. They’ve been very cooperative and done really a great job of following the protocol and being compliant. I'm not worried about it. I'm not concerned. We’ll get the 53 best guys.
Q: Do you feel pressure to win?
A: I'm going to pull a line from Billie Jean King, pressure’s a privilege.
This is a post-presser quote from Dave Gettleman: “We honored the agreement because our doctors were confident Kyle would be fine following the procedure.”
He often reminds me of a cartoon character that runs so fast thru a wall that you see his cutout-figure as the takeaway...
I absolutely look forward to every DG presser. I wish he would give one every day. It's a must listen.
I think he's a horrible GM, but he never ceases to entertain.
I want to say it was earlier this year when he and Kevin Abrams had a joint press conference. The juxtaposition was startling. Gettleman was a rambling fool and Abrams sounded how a GM should act and conduct himself.
Yes, Judge is going to be happy with that little nugget. Especially since he told the press just days ago that Toney had aggravated an injury toward the end of last week.
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that Toney's issue is coming back from Covid.
Yes, Judge is going to be happy with that little nugget. Especially since he told the press just days ago that Toney had aggravated an injury toward the end of last week.
So which one is it; injury aggravation or Covid? Both?
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that Toney's issue is coming back from Covid.
Yes, Judge is going to be happy with that little nugget. Especially since he told the press just days ago that Toney had aggravated an injury toward the end of last week.
So which one is it; injury aggravation or Covid? Both?
Pretty obvious it is covid. All JJ said was he aggravated something...yeah his heart.
From the answers Garrett gave, I don't think JJ was the only one..
Who...
...drafted Barkley?
...made Solder the highest paid OL in the league?
...signed Golden Tate?
...signed Jonathan Stewart?
...traded for Zeitler?
...drafted Thomas, Hernandez, and Peart?
If that many draft picks and free agency dollars don't amount to a full complement of players, why is the guy making those decisions allowed to stick around and act like after four years he finally has had enough time to assemble that full complement of players?
Unbelievable.
As for my theory that he could be unvaccinated and that is causing the complications, I think that even more now obviously. If it was long COVID or potentially serious cardio-vascular stuff I doubt they'd be talking about it in such an upbeat way.
There is also this from Mara
A: I think that's certainly something that we're monitoring very closely. We've been in constant communication with the governor's office about it. Right now, we're full go for having a full building and I believe that will be the case throughout the year. Now, whether we'll have to add some precautions like masks in indoor areas of the stadium, we're not there yet, but that's subject to further discussion. If you asked me that, as I said before in another week or two, I could have a different answer for it.
Not too far from this quote from the COVID thread
NoGainDayne : 8/14/2021 11:54 pm : link : reply
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Would you want your rookie first rounder to have to deal with the circus around the vaccination conversation in the NY media? No, I’d want his agent and lawyers to figure out how to handle it, I’d buy more time to maybe see how cases that are currently in the pipeline to handle this stuff might work out. Hell, the Giants may be trying to petition the league to get permission to force him to do it or they might have told him he has to and he’s petitioning the league not to
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Joe Judge on Kadarius Toney - ( New Window )
A: Absolutely. Absolutely. Stuff happens, not everything's perfect and there are guys all over this league who get hurt, big-time players. He's done a great job and I feel the same way about him. He's different and he’s going to be ready to go when he’s ready to go.
Q: Obviously though, that stuff does happen more to running backs.
A: I don't know that that's true.
Average length of career by position - ( New Window )
A: Really and truly, you can talk about injuries at any position. I would not make a different decision than I made in 2018, plain and simple.
The thing is Barkley came into the league as the 4th highest paid running back and Darnold the 31st highest paid QB. It's fine that you as a fan don't care about those things, but asset allocation is paramount in the NFL. And DG should be keenly aware of that. And the RB is the far riskier pick because they have a shorter shelf life, they are among the highest paid immediately when they come into the league and they get injured quite frequently. These are all things we knew or should have known.
Coming in as the 4th highest paid running back, the only way you get value really is best in the league or really far and away the best in the league. And people love to point out how shitty the line was when DG took over but are always talking out of both sides of their mouth. Ok, so our line was incredibly bad, why were we then drafting a position that is so dependent on the line to succeed?
It wasn't a smart move at the time, to sit here and act like that was the right decision when you are sitting on 15 wins in 3 seasons and the player that you swore at the time of the draft was an "outlier" and you reiterated two years after, right before he got a big injury and looked very much in the regular distribution for a player. Yeah you don't draft the blue chippiest of blue chip RBs with the 2nd pick. No matter if they are touched by the hand of god or not. If they slotted to the same % tile for their position it would honestly be different but that's not how it works and you can't ignore how the cap works just because you like the cut of someone's jib. Which is essentially what Gettleman did, while typing on his fake computer.
The idea that the only two options were an RB or a dud QB is just a way to tilt the argument towards it not being a massive mistake which it 100% was. Many wanted a trade down or Nelson or Chubb. And just because a bunch of BBIers wanted Darnold doesn't mean he was the only option, to ignore that we could have seen something in Allen and picked him is again trying to lead to a conclusion that a mistake wasn't a mistake. Shurmur really liked Allen by all accounts and if you hired that man, you'd think his opinion on QBs would be super important.
A: Objectively speaking, I’m not going to put a win total or a number on it. I don't think that we've done a lot of things. I feel like I really love Joe and the process that he's brought and that we've brought. We've worked really hard since I got here in terms of not only being on the field operations, but off the field operations. We’ve made big changes in our football operations, and how we operate. Really and truly, my goal when I got here was whenever I leave here, and however I leave here, that we've set this team up on the field, and off the field. That's been my goal and I feel like we've done that. I’m excited to see what's going to happen.
That's the bar? That was your goal? Not to have success while you were here? Just after you are gone? Am I to understand that you just shrug as you are leaving and speak in platitudes about setting the team up and you don't give a shit that this team has sucked royally under your command? Been one of the worst if not the worst team?
Also who talks like this? It sounds like something Michael Scott would say to David Wallace over a pasta lunch that David Wallace doesn't want to be at.
Like honestly this is a multi-billion dollar organization, he's talking to the media, this was a question he knew he was going to get. You'd think with his on the field performance he'd need to represent himself better than this, but shockingly it isn't true.
The only defense of Gettleman I can muster is that he considers press conferences utterly irrelevant to his job. Even then, you’d think he’d take some pride in the impression he makes.
I will always believe that he had to conduct the draft with Eli finishing his remaining two years. Under that context I understand the pick.
The mistake wasn't Barkley. It was Solder and Hernandez not performing as he had hoped imo. With OBJ, a good OL and Barkley I could see his thought process.
You had no OT that was a top 5 pick and that draft needed immediate results so a trade down was not feasible imo. I also believe they thought QB's would be available in the following years draft and did not love any of the one coming out.
Immediate results shouldn’t be the goal of a team that had an entire roster to fix.
Immediate results shouldn’t be the goal of a team that had an entire roster to fix.
Agree, which is why I said you have to answer the question I asked. You did not have the luxury of time.
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If Eli was still what they wanted or the QBs in that draft did not meet their evaluations, then the Giants were best served to get as much value for that spot as possible and that means trade out of it.
Immediate results shouldn’t be the goal of a team that had an entire roster to fix.
Agree, which is why I said you have to answer the question I asked. You did not have the luxury of time.
How can a reasonably intelligent Front Office come to a conclusion at the beginning of 2018 that we have to and should be able to win immediately with that strategy. Makes no sense.
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Q: Obviously, the wins and losses that have happened over the last three years is not what you would have hoped. Do you believe there needs to be a significant uptick in wins in order for you to deserve to be back next year, objectively speaking?
A: Objectively speaking, I’m not going to put a win total or a number on it. I don't think that we've done a lot of things. I feel like I really love Joe and the process that he's brought and that we've brought. We've worked really hard since I got here in terms of not only being on the field operations, but off the field operations. We’ve made big changes in our football operations, and how we operate. Really and truly, my goal when I got here was whenever I leave here, and however I leave here, that we've set this team up on the field, and off the field. That's been my goal and I feel like we've done that. I’m excited to see what's going to happen.
That's the bar? That was your goal? Not to have success while you were here? Just after you are gone? Am I to understand that you just shrug as you are leaving and speak in platitudes about setting the team up and you don't give a shit that this team has sucked royally under your command? Been one of the worst if not the worst team?
Also who talks like this? It sounds like something Michael Scott would say to David Wallace over a pasta lunch that David Wallace doesn't want to be at.
Like honestly this is a multi-billion dollar organization, he's talking to the media, this was a question he knew he was going to get. You'd think with his on the field performance he'd need to represent himself better than this, but shockingly it isn't true.
WTF - there is absolutely nothing wrong with that quote. He has no clue as to what Mara expects as far as wins in order for him to stay. Does 9 wins and a playoff work? What about 10 wins and missing out?
Also, he is looking to build the team for the long run and that absolutely takes longer than throwing shit together for a year - see 2016.
You can pick and argue about RB longevity or how much he shared (or didn't) about their knowledge of Rudolph's injury, but on the whole he answered about the same as any GM would. I think many people are mad that he just didn't flat out say that Daniel Jones (and by extension the team itself) sucks.
It was a perfectly normal and standard press conference IMO
You can pick and argue about RB longevity or how much he shared (or didn't) about their knowledge of Rudolph's injury, but on the whole he answered about the same as any GM would. I think many people are mad that he just didn't flat out say that Daniel Jones (and by extension the team itself) sucks.
It was a perfectly normal and standard press conference IMO
John Mara’s media sessions are standard. Dave Gettleman’s are most certainly not and never have been since he has been in NY. He gets himself in trouble quite often. Thought he did better with someone next to him but when he is going solo it seems to go poorly.
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and the "milquetoast" slam is beyond stupid.
You can pick and argue about RB longevity or how much he shared (or didn't) about their knowledge of Rudolph's injury, but on the whole he answered about the same as any GM would. I think many people are mad that he just didn't flat out say that Daniel Jones (and by extension the team itself) sucks.
It was a perfectly normal and standard press conference IMO
John Mara’s media sessions are standard. Dave Gettleman’s are most certainly not and never have been since he has been in NY. He gets himself in trouble quite often. Thought he did better with someone next to him but when he is going solo it seems to go poorly.
If you don't like DG, you pick apart and diagnose his every word and sentence. If you are not on the death squad you read his shit and move on. Nothing he says at a PC means anything in the operation of the team. Is he telling the truth? Is he twisting things on purpose? Is he lying? Does he get his sequences blurred? Does he screw with the press? Does he read BBI and really want to mess with the select few?
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that Toney's issue is coming back from Covid.
Yes, Judge is going to be happy with that little nugget. Especially since he told the press just days ago that Toney had aggravated an injury toward the end of last week.
So which one is it; injury aggravation or Covid? Both?
Keep em' guessing.
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and the "milquetoast" slam is beyond stupid.
You can pick and argue about RB longevity or how much he shared (or didn't) about their knowledge of Rudolph's injury, but on the whole he answered about the same as any GM would. I think many people are mad that he just didn't flat out say that Daniel Jones (and by extension the team itself) sucks.
It was a perfectly normal and standard press conference IMO
John Mara’s media sessions are standard. Dave Gettleman’s are most certainly not and never have been since he has been in NY. He gets himself in trouble quite often. Thought he did better with someone next to him but when he is going solo it seems to go poorly.
If you don't like DG, you pick apart and diagnose his every word and sentence. If you are not on the death squad you read his shit and move on. Nothing he says at a PC means anything in the operation of the team. Is he telling the truth? Is he twisting things on purpose? Is he lying? Does he get his sequences blurred? Does he screw with the press? Does he read BBI and really want to mess with the select few?
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and the "milquetoast" slam is beyond stupid.
You can pick and argue about RB longevity or how much he shared (or didn't) about their knowledge of Rudolph's injury, but on the whole he answered about the same as any GM would. I think many people are mad that he just didn't flat out say that Daniel Jones (and by extension the team itself) sucks.
It was a perfectly normal and standard press conference IMO
John Mara’s media sessions are standard. Dave Gettleman’s are most certainly not and never have been since he has been in NY. He gets himself in trouble quite often. Thought he did better with someone next to him but when he is going solo it seems to go poorly.
If you don't like DG, you pick apart and diagnose his every word and sentence. If you are not on the death squad you read his shit and move on. Nothing he says at a PC means anything in the operation of the team. Is he telling the truth? Is he twisting things on purpose? Is he lying? Does he get his sequences blurred? Does he screw with the press? Does he read BBI and really want to mess with the select few?
No, Yes, Yes, Maybe, Yes, God I hope so.
Jesus. That’s no good either. Someone that small shouldn’t be in a position so big.
And it isn’t about the press conferences. It’s about the picture of his results as a GM and how these press conferences do nothing to help the story of his competence and fitness for the job which based on his results he very much should care about.
When you type of a fake computer and mock people that do math and then the math turns out to be right it makes a bad decision look even worse. Wrong and overconfident is way worse. People talk about DG as willing to admit mistakes all the time as if that makes it all better that he sucked. But he doesn’t even do that.
He called Barkley an outlier and doubled down on that last year before his big injury. And I can’t stress enough how someone that doesn’t seem to understand really basic statistical concepts shouldn’t be in charge of building out what is described as a large mathematics operation.
It’s outrageous the lengths some of you go to do your Gettleman excuse acrobatics. Having poor results and not being able to articulate what you are doing well at all, whether with intention or not, it’s not good. Twist it whichever way you like it doesn’t paint a good and capable leader
Well, all I can say is he has the act down pat, especially going as far as ensuring double digit losses every year....
Well, all I can say is he has the act down pat, especially going as far as ensuring double digit losses every year....
There have been reports - I believe from some of our Asshats - that many people at Jints Central cringe when Gettleman takes his turn behind the mic. So it's just not some of us on BBI who notice his buffoonery.
Like I said yesterday, the juxtaposition earlier this year when Gettleman and Abrams did a joint presser was remarkable. One guy sounded and looked like a professional in complete control of his setting. The other sounded and looked like the high school gym teacher/bus driver he once was...
I mean it's almost like he's focused on Madden algorithms...
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And I can’t stress enough how someone that doesn’t seem to understand really basic statistical concepts shouldn’t be in charge of building out what is described as a large mathematics operation.
I mean it's almost like he's focused on Madden algorithms...
My company will be getting some massive press on the important work we are doing in AI in the next few weeks. DG literally doesn't understand what outlier means or how to use the term. And BTW this was a completely fabricated thing made up about me by a blowhard, joke of a poster that you don't seem to mind propagating. So congratulations for latching onto all the wrong things. Don't criticize the guy that captained our team firmly into the gutter of the NFL but the person who quite justifiably questioned WTF he was doing as the train wreck was occurring. Maybe you'll be lucky and someday it will only be the "real" fans left and you can talk about what good people you all are and sit around and compliment the Giants all day.
And while you're at it, you probably want to redefine "massive press" too.
Is this record time for your harsh critiques to make you look like a complete fool?
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2021 12:12 pm : link : reply
to connect dots when extra ones are added.
It was said above that Toney was nowhere to be seen at FanFest when he was not only working on the sidelines, but identified as such in several reports.
Clinging to falsehoods while saying other fans require much more proof to connect dots is pretty laughable. Some people actually want dots to exist and be based in reality.
I absolutely was connecting the right dots. And you as usual are the one shown to be laughable. You clung to one debated fact and tried to paint me like I didn't know what I was talking about with the one cherry picked thing on a long thread. How you keep coming back and pretending like you aren't consistently foolish and a waste of people's time is astonishing.
And do you know what the saddest and most laughable part is? Your position is essentially just an appeal to authority. That's all you ever do, that's your schtick. On Yankees threads, on Giants threads, you've got just the one mode. You are rude and overconfident and just a sad angry homer. You will continue to gaslight the board and pretend that hasn't happened but you should be really embarrassed how often you are wrong for someone whose points pretty much just amount to "teams be good at jobs, others should not talk about team, team good." You do this pretty much regardless of the performance on the field.
Me and many others that are critical of the team have been quite complimentary in the past and certainly have a different approach to different teams like the Knicks and Yankees. Your act is the same and it's tired and old and if you have the same opinion all the time it pretty much makes your opinions worthless.
Don't worry, I can have people confirm to you that the press is indeed pretty big in a few weeks if you'd like. Or not, because you'll just act like it didn't happen or stick your fingers in your ears and hum things like the child you are. Or disappear...
By the way, if you respond to this, the only thing I will respond to is your thoughts on the Toney thread and how you keep managing to be unaffected by how biased and bad you are at analyzing information.
Joe Judge on Kadarius Toney - ( New Window )
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2021 12:33 am : link : reply
why was he not at the game or seen at fan fest? That’s the weirdest part to me
He was not only at FanFest, he was seen there and it was reported by Eric and the beats that he was working on the side with other players and the trainers.
but as usual, you wrote a fucking page-long thesis to talk about how right you are when a bald-faced lie is staring right at us.
But hey, you worked in yet another time about how proficient you are in your career. Work on the facts next time, Ace.
It is a proven fact.
And it wasn't "wrong" you are just taking an interpretation to be an absolute. I read he didn't play at FanFest. Acting like him practicing on the side is the same as him playing when the point I was making is that they were isolating him more is disingenuous. But disingenuous is like your natural state.
I went out on a limb to put forth a theory that actually turned out to be fairly on point despite facing criticism and here you are acting like you are doing something great by nitpicking one part of one of the many dots I was connecting as if that is some kind of heroic act. Newsflash! It isn't and you suck.