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Transcript: General Manager Dave Gettleman

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/17/2021 4:28 pm
Senior Vice President and General Manager Dave Gettleman

August 17, 2021

Opening Statement: Good morning. Good to see everybody, I hope your families are well as we're all coming out. It’s good to see everybody and let the games begin.

Q: What have you seen so far in camp and what are your expectations for this team?

A: We've had some good work, we really have. The weather's been pretty cooperative. We've had comfortable days and we had a couple of cookers, so that's been really good. We’ve seen some good things -- there wasn't much happening in the spring, all you had was rookie and veteran minicamp when a lot of players took the voluntary thing. We’re making progress. Like (Head Coach) Joe (Judge) says, I believe the team is just as well. Everything's a process and we're moving along. We did some nice things Saturday night, obviously have some things we gotta work on. We’re making progress and I like it.

Q: You’re three-plus weeks into camp, you have a preseason game under your belt. As of now, what would you say your biggest concern is?

A: I'm a little more patient than that. Listen, upgrading the roster is a 12 month process. You’re looking at improving all the time and right now it's because you don't have your full complement of players out there. We really treated this last game, the first game, like the fourth preseason, which is generally speaking what you see. We wanted to get the chance to make sure, before we make any hot decisions, that we really get a chance to evaluate all the young kids and the new players we brought in. So, we're always looking at every position to answer your question. You improve as you go.

Q: Along those lines, there's obviously a lot of optimism about (Quarterback) Daniel Jones making that leap this year, but how much of the trade during the draft to get that additional first round pick next year was kind of an insurance against that not happening?

A: Not even a thought. No. The trade was made because the opportunity was there and there was an opportunity to get an incredible amount of value and we really liked the position that we were in. So, no, that was not done as any kind of hedge. We believe in Daniel, we’re excited to see what he's going to do in the second year in the system. Before this last year, it was his third system in three years, so this'll be the second year in a system. You know how diligent the kid is, we’ve talked about it all the time. He works just as hard on the field as he does off the field. He's more comfortable, he’s more prepared. It’ll be fun to see what happens when we finally give him a full complement of players out there.

Q: (Wide Receiver) Kadarius Toney obviously hasn't been on the field a ton so far for various reasons. What are your thoughts on his start so far? Any kind of level of frustration just not being able to see as much as you'd like?

A: It's that way with any young player. You want them on the field. The COVID-19 piece is real, it affects everybody very differently and that's been a bit of a stop and start. He'll get there, he's working his fanny off, getting healthy. He's had that stop and start and it doesn't make us any less than enthused about him. The kid’s got tremendous talent and he's been great inside with his rehab. He's been terrific in the classroom. He's engaged and the kid wants to be out there. He’s a competitor. I treat contracts like injuries; contracts gets done when they’re supposed to get done, guys get healthy when they're supposed to get healthy, and he’ll be out there and we trust our medical staff.

Q: How do you balance being patient and letting the process play out versus, after seeing so much, maybe we got to start thinking about doing something else? How do you balance that?

A: It’s a process that you keep working through. At some point, at a certain point in time, you know when you’ve got to pull the trigger. I think that since I've been here, you guys have seen I’m not afraid to pull the trigger. So there is a balance. It's an interesting question because we'll know and I think that we need to have another preseason game. Last year, we didn't have this, we didn't have preseason games and it made it difficult. We weren't any different than anybody else, I’m not suggesting for a moment that we were, but at the end of the day we've got to understand when it's time to pull the trigger. Right now, I'm really excited about us going to Cleveland -- I guess some of you folks are going to be out there -- getting a chance to work against them. And then playing on Sunday, I think will give us a real good indicator.

Q: You’ve said many times that it takes three years to evaluate a draft class. I'm curious, how would you evaluate your 2018 class?

A: (RB) Saquon (Barkley) is Saquon. (OL) Will (Hernandez) had a tough season last year, but he is really having a terrific camp. Unfortunately, (LB) Lorenzo (Carter) got hurt last year as he was really coming on, he's ready to go. (DL) B.J. (Hill) has been a steady solid contributor. Obviously, Kyle is gone and RJ’s gone. That’s where that class is.

Q: Seeing the injuries that have caught up to Saquon, do you still feel as passionately as you did in 2018 that running back was the right place to go?

A: Absolutely. Absolutely. Stuff happens, not everything's perfect and there are guys all over this league who get hurt, big-time players. He's done a great job and I feel the same way about him. He's different and he’s going to be ready to go when he’s ready to go.

Q: Obviously though, that stuff does happen more to running backs.

A: I don't know that that's true.

Q: You don't believe that they have shorter career lives than maybe other positions just because of the hits that they take?

A: Really and truly, you can talk about injuries at any position. I would not make a different decision than I made in 2018, plain and simple.

Q: I think I heard you say once that you've changed your philosophy on negotiating contracts in-season, and I'm not asking about Saquon or anybody in particular. You have guys who are going to be free agents after this season. Will you negotiate contracts in-season this year? Have you changed your stance on that?

A: I have. I think it depends upon the guy, I think it depends upon where the team's at. I used to feel that it was a bad idea, but not so much. Have I changed my idea on that? Yes, I'm a lot more flexible on that.

Q: Is (Safety Jabrill) Peppers maybe one of those guys?

A: I don’t discuss contracts.

Q: Do you believe in the theory that quarterbacks, especially with the financial climate, that after three years you’re going to know. Do you believe that after this year you will know one way or another whether Daniel Jones is the guy?

A: We certainly hope so. Again, our game is different than the college game. It's very different. He’s got all the physical skills, he’s got all the mental skills. I'm seeing a lot of good stuff out here in the fact that, as I've said, last year was his third consecutive year in a different system. His decision making is quicker out here, he’s getting rid of the ball quicker, you see he’s throwing the ball well. I think he's making progress and like every other young kid I think we'll have a pretty good idea when the season is over.

Q: You guys made the decision to stick with the offensive linemen you have and let them develop. As we’re a couple of weeks into camp, how do you still feel about that decision? Especially the depth is kind of an issue with guys retiring and getting hurt and stuff like that.

A: That stuff happens. Four of the five starters were out there Saturday night and the offensive line really played pretty well. Listen, you have to have depth everywhere, whether it’s the offensive line, the linebackers, secondary, you need depth, you need to have quality depth. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to do that at every position. Obviously, we didn't expect those guys to retire, but they had their reasons and it's their lives. I wish them the best and respect the decisions they made. They made tough decisions. Training camp is not over, the roster building season never ends. We'll get to where we need to get to.

Q: When you guys released Kevin Zeitler, was the plan to upgrade at guard or address guard more than you have at this point?

A: I think that we believe in Will, we believe in (OL) Shane Lemieux and we're going to continue to look. You’ve got the two guys retiring, you have (OL) Kyle Murphy’s now done for the season, we have to put him on IR. So it's tough, but every day we're looking. My gut tells me that there'll be more movement of those types of players that you feel good about after the second preseason game and maybe even after the cut because you’ve got to remember you now have a full week. Going to cut to the 53, (Head) Coach (Joe Judge) is left a couple of practices, players have Friday, Saturday and Sunday off, so I think you could see some horse trading going on during that period of time.

Q: Do you have the financial flexibility to take on any level of player?

A: I think that whoever's available, you sit down and take a look at. At the end of the day, were going to do what we can do.

Q: At that position there are different tiers of players that you're talking about. Is your focus right now upgrading the depth behind what you see as the starting five or do you think there will be opportunities or you may have to take opportunities to improve that starting five?

A: I think there's a lot of things that are in play in my head. Want to certainly address that position as well as we can. I've learned that if you have patience, stuff happens. All of a sudden, a player becomes available that you weren't expecting. It's kind of like what happened with us in free agency -- all of a sudden (CB) Adoree’ Jackson's available, all of a sudden (TE) Kyle Rudolph's available. There’s a saying, ‘You don't lock your knees,’ so you just sit there and you talk to people, you make phone calls, you watch film, ‘Hey, is this guy available?’ ‘Hey, would you consider moving that guy?’ ‘Hell no,’ ‘Yeah, I would for this.’ You have those conversations. It's a chess piece.

Q: Just as a follow up, yesterday, you guys traded a sixth in 2023 for (Cornerback Keion) Crossen. In terms of draft assets, will you be willing to dip into 2022, and was there a thinking of going beyond that?

A: Really and truly, I prefer not to. We've got ten picks, and doubles in the first, third, and fourth rounds, so we got some pretty good assets there. So, we’ll see, but the bottom line is it's an asset, it’s a chip. It's something you can use. You don't have to, but you don't necessarily hoard to a certain degree. If a guy's worth it, you're going to do it. If the guy's not worth it, you don't do. Being able to get Keion with a ‘23 pick was really something we’re excited about.

Q: Obviously, the wins and losses that have happened over the last three years is not what you would have hoped. Do you believe there needs to be a significant uptick in wins in order for you to deserve to be back next year, objectively speaking?

A: Objectively speaking, I’m not going to put a win total or a number on it. I don't think that we've done a lot of things. I feel like I really love Joe and the process that he's brought and that we've brought. We've worked really hard since I got here in terms of not only being on the field operations, but off the field operations. We’ve made big changes in our football operations, and how we operate. Really and truly, my goal when I got here was whenever I leave here, and however I leave here, that we've set this team up on the field, and off the field. That's been my goal and I feel like we've done that. I’m excited to see what's going to happen.

Q: How has your relationship with (Head Coach) Joe (Judge) progressed, and is it to the point where perhaps yesterday's trade today is an indication that his influence has grown over time?

A: I think that Joe and I are partners. We have a shared vision. We see the ball the same way, which is helpful. We discuss everything thoroughly, and we come to the best giant conclusion that we come to. Yeah, Joe knew Crossen, our pro personnel department, and my grades on him both as a special teams guy. Obviously, you guys all realize how special teams is near and dear to Joe's heart. At the end of the day, the thing that's really neat about Keion is he brings us line of scrimmage value as well as a gunner. So, this is the partnership, we’re working together. We share a vision, and I've enjoyed the hell out of the last two years.

Q: Since you brought it up, how are you feeling, and is your intention to keep on working for as long as you keep feeling well?

A: I feel good, me and James Brown. Some of you younger people may not get that. But anyhow, I feel fine. Listen, some of you guys can speak to it personally, but lymphoma wasn't fun. It wasn't, don't put it on your check list or your bucket list, it's not fun. We got through it. I'm healthy, I’m fine, I feel good, I feel strong. No, I'm not winning any arm wrestling contests, but I feel good. I just keep rolling along.

Q: Do you have to take any special precautions, like for travelling?

A: Me? I had my physical in May and they said just keep doing what you’re doing. You can be doing it with a little less weight, but I like to be jolly.

Q: I know you don't want to put a win-loss total on it, but obviously you’ve been rebuilding for a couple of years and that can't go on indefinitely. Doesn't this have to be the year that you compete for the playoffs, and not just because it's a bad division?

A: Listen, I'm not going to put a win-loss total on it for anybody. We have expectations, everybody's got expectations. I don't think any of us do this to lose, none of us are happy about that. I'm happy with what we've done. I'm really happy with where we’re at, and I think we’ve got a legitimate, completive football team.

Q: I know it's a little different wrinkle. But, along the lines of acquiring talent over the next couple of weeks, with these joint practices, I know some of you guys will be there the whole time. Do you spend time scouting the Browns and scouting the Patriots?

A: Oh, absolutely.

Q: Does that kind of bring a different dimension to it?

A: Absolutely, it does. I'll be there. (Co-Director of Player Personnel) Mark Koncz, (Co-Director of Player Personnel) Tim McDonnell will be there. (Director of College Scouting) Chris Pettit is going to be there. So, we'll all have our guys to look at. Absolutely, it's a scouting process. Obviously, at night, we’ll go back and watch the film. That's one of the nice things because you can get up on top of guys, see their body style, their builds, what they look like it. It’s a great opportunity to scout players up close and personal.

Q: You mentioned Kyle Rudolph earlier. Do you think you'll be ready for week one? Then also, do you have any second thoughts of not restructuring that contract, once you discovered the foot?

A: No, we knew about it all along.

Q: Did you know about it before he had the physical?

A: Yeah, we didn’t go into this blind.

Q: You knew he needed surgery though?

A: Yeah.

Q: When you agreed to terms, did you know he was going to be on PUP?

A: Yeah, do you think I do this for the hobby?

Q: I thought it was discovered during the physical.

A: No, we’re good. We knew it, we’re fine.

Q: Do you expect him for week one?

A: Like I said with injuries, he'll get healthy when he's healthy. He's working his fanny off. We'll see what happens.

Q: Going to Cleveland this week, you're going to get a chance to see (Browns Wide Receiver) Odell Beckham Jr. again. I'm just curious of your thoughts of your receiving core today versus where it was, and how far it's come since you've made that trade?

A: I like our group right now, I really do. It’s just a matter of getting everybody on the field, and getting in rhythm with Daniel, and doing those kinds of things. I’m very happy with where this group is.

Q: To piggyback on that question, when you made that trade, you said you wanted two or three years to assess how well you had done in that trade. Looking back on it, do you feel like you got enough? Are you happy with what you acquired?

A: Well, I can turn it around with that question back at you. I'm happy. We got (Defensive Tackle) Dexter (Lawrence). (Linebacker Oshane) Ximines has had his injury issues, but when he's been out there, he's shown promise. (Safety) Jabrill (Peppers) has done a hell of a job for us, so I like that group.

Q: Tim McDonnell got a little bump in his title. Can you just talk about what he brings to your guys’ personnel room?

A: Timmy is very bright. He’s a really good scout. He’s just one of those people – there’s the saying, if you want something done, give it to a busy man and that’s Tim. He brings a nice, fresh outlook to everything. He and Mark Koncz do a hell of a job with really working and setting up processes. With the 53, we’re ready to discuss that. As the trade deadline gets closer and closer, we’ve already started the trade process. Looking at those kinds of things, we're getting much further ahead of the process than we were before and Timmy’s great with that, as well as Mark as well. Timmy’s a very bright and promising guy.

Q: That increases his involvement in those processes or that kind of initial where you’re going with it?

A: He's part of helping develop those processes.

Q: When you get down to the 53, will vaccination have any say in the decision or is it just on the field?

A: No, the 53 best players will be on our 53. That is it, that is it. You've got right now, every team has guys in various stages. Some guys have had one shot, some guys have had two shots and they're waiting for the two-week period for the full vaccination, so everybody's in different stages. Obviously, the guys that have not fully completed are masked up right now. They’ve all done a great job. They’ve been very cooperative and done really a great job of following the protocol and being compliant. I'm not worried about it. I'm not concerned. We’ll get the 53 best guys.

Q: Do you feel pressure to win?

A: I'm going to pull a line from Billie Jean King, pressure’s a privilege.
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Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2021 1:44 pm : link
you act like a child:

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And it wasn't "wrong" you are just taking an interpretation to be an absolute


Of course it was wrong. You literally said Toney wasn't seen at FanFest and it concerns you.

That's a pretty odd way to frame an "interpretation". Like I said in that thread, when you add extra dots - you know, ones covered in bullshit - it makes it easier to connect.

You really don't like to be told you are wrong, even when the facts are right there, Chief.
This is also just a classicilly disingenuous thing  
NoGainDayne : 8/18/2021 1:45 pm : link
You make something up about me that others repeat while threatening to reveal personal information about me on the internet. Then when I stand up for myself you make it seem like it's coming from nowhere. Hey idiot, if that didn't get brought up I wouldn't have wanted to say anything. I don't appreciate seeing lies about me propagated on the internet. You'd know nothing about that though because your relationship with the truth is quite tenuous.

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But hey, you worked in yet another time about how proficient you are in your career. Work on the facts next time, Ace.
Seen on the field would have been perfectly accurate  
NoGainDayne : 8/18/2021 1:49 pm : link
and doesn't undermine the larger point I was making one little bit. Which again only a few days later saw me looking pretty damn good at predicting an event and connecting the dots.

But here you go acting like you are doing something of value by carrying on about a small and quite frankly irrelevant part of the point I was making in only the worst spirits and intentions. How you live with yourself when you carry on like this is alarming. A poster that reached out to you basically said you were surprised that people didn't compartmentalize things that were said on the board more. You act like one of the most mean spirited people I've ever seen all the time and then just walk away and pretend like it's nothing. Like a sociopath.
There is one massive problem with this quote  
NoGainDayne : 8/18/2021 1:50 pm : link
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Like I said in that thread, when you add extra dots - you know, ones covered in bullshit - it makes it easier to connect.


Based on information in THIS thread we know it wasn't bullshit, so your bullshit meter, much like your overall analytical abilities are poorly calibrated.
Please..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2021 1:51 pm : link
enlighten me on what was made up.

And remember what I said in that thread way back. I said that someone approached an NFL team or teams using a model based on the Madden engine. And that the team or teams were dumfounded.

And I said, "I hope that wasn't you", and you exploded. That sort of gave the answer away there, Fella. Sort of like the guy in the neck brace suing the Brady's who turns his head when a loud sound is made in court.

that reference may pre-date you, but others will get the gist....
RE: There is one massive problem with this quote  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15334086 NoGainDayne said:
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Quote:


Like I said in that thread, when you add extra dots - you know, ones covered in bullshit - it makes it easier to connect.



Based on information in THIS thread we know it wasn't bullshit, so your bullshit meter, much like your overall analytical abilities are poorly calibrated.


Of course it was bullshit. Does it say somewhere in this thread that Toney wasn't at FanFest?
And by the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2021 1:55 pm : link
I'm done with this conversation.

The only place it would go from here is you going to the mods - and it all stems from the fact that when called on something you got wrong - you steadfastly maintain you didn't.

And you'll play the victim card - once again.
Zoinks Scooby…  
trueblueinpw : 8/18/2021 1:59 pm : link
It’s a mystery, how someone could be so arrogant and such a failure all at once.

It’s also a mystery to me how Getty ever arrived at this position. How Dave managed to carve out such a prominent job in the NFL really is one of the deepest questions of the universe. Winning record? Nope. Track record of Championships? Nope. Numbahs guru? No sir. Personnel genius? Apparently not. Cap expert? Nah. Contract killer? Negative. Expert negotiator? Hardly. Master media communicator? Surely, no. But still, he rises! All the way one of the most sought after jobs on the planet. Congrats to Getty. Really. It’s an achievement of the ages. The only shame is that all of us Giants fans have to suffer through his hideous incompetence.

And as long as the Mystery Machine is running, here’s another mystery: Why is any Giants fan compelled to defend Getty’s work to date? He’s strung together three pathetic seasons, one terrible coach, endless blunders of word and deed, all of which delivered the Giants and their fans a spot at the very bottom of all NFL w/l records. Our only hope is that Joe Judge will somehow be able to succeed in spite of all the other crap Getty has piled up. Why do Giants fans defend the moron who brought us here? I’m not sure. Why in the world Giants fans would criticize those of us who point out Getty’s failures is beyond me.

But, anyway, Scooby snakes for all my friends! May we continue to bask in the eternal well of August’s NFL optimism.
RE: Please..  
NoGainDayne : 8/18/2021 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15334089 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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enlighten me on what was made up.

And remember what I said in that thread way back. I said that someone approached an NFL team or teams using a model based on the Madden engine. And that the team or teams were dumfounded.

And I said, "I hope that wasn't you", and you exploded. That sort of gave the answer away there, Fella. Sort of like the guy in the neck brace suing the Brady's who turns his head when a loud sound is made in court.

that reference may pre-date you, but others will get the gist....


Dude you are one piece of complete shit. I exploded because you used revealed personal info about me and threatened to reveal more then played dumb about it. Anything related to me and madden predictions was and is completely off base.
The bottom line is there a whole lot of confusion this summer  
Jimmy Googs : 8/18/2021 2:14 pm : link
with these new offensive receiving targets.

From whether Toney is injured or suffering from Covid to whether the Giants knew Rudolph's foot required surgery to whether Golladay has an injured hamstring or a hand/wrist problem.

:- )
Snacks fella’s, Scooby snacks…  
trueblueinpw : 8/18/2021 2:24 pm : link
No one wants a Scooby snake. Sorry bout that…
RE: Zoinks Scooby…  
rsjem1979 : 8/18/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15334096 trueblueinpw said:
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And as long as the Mystery Machine is running, here’s another mystery: Why is any Giants fan compelled to defend Getty’s work to date? He’s strung together three pathetic seasons, one terrible coach, endless blunders of word and deed, all of which delivered the Giants and their fans a spot at the very bottom of all NFL w/l records. Our only hope is that Joe Judge will somehow be able to succeed in spite of all the other crap Getty has piled up. Why do Giants fans defend the moron who brought us here? I’m not sure. Why in the world Giants fans would criticize those of us who point out Getty’s failures is beyond me.


I think the simplest explanation is that it's pure hopefulness. If Dave Gettleman is as bad at his job as his record and most vocal critics suggest, it reflects horribly on the Giants organization and the process that resulted in his hiring.

If he doesn't know what he's doing, they'd be forced to admit that it's entirely possible that the Giants organization itself is completely out-of-touch with the modern NFL, and perhaps on the cusp of an extended run of futility similar to the 60s and 70s.

I'm sure it's far more comforting to assume that Gettleman has the job because he's qualified to do it, thus one becomes defensive at the suggestion that he's an old nitwit who got the job solely because Ernie Accorsi likes him and John Mara's rolodex of football advisors doesn't go past "A".
RE: Milton, it's not about that. You are speaking very specifically  
Milton : 8/18/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15333692 NoGainDayne said:
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The thing is Barkley came into the league as the 4th highest paid running back and Darnold the 31st highest paid QB. It's fine that you as a fan don't care about those things, but asset allocation is paramount in the NFL. And DG should be keenly aware of that.
I do care about those things, but I don't look at Barkley as simply a RB. He is very much a part of the passing game and a guy that defensive coordinators lose sleep over. As Belichick would say, there are no positions, there are jobs. And the job that Barkley was drafted to fill is bigger than the position he is characterized as.

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And the RB is the far riskier pick because they have a shorter shelf life, they are among the highest paid immediately when they come into the league and they get injured quite frequently. These are all things we knew or should have known.
These are all things that they knew, but it doesn't paint the whole picture because you are only looking at the injury risk (and again, it's a disservice to say Barkley is simply a RB like every other RB). A QB taken with the 2nd overall pick is gonna have a lot more leverage in contract negotiations after year three because his 5th year option will be triple that of a RB's 5th year option. So there is much more financial risk involved in taking a QB in the top ten than there is a RB. And while the risk of injury to a RB may be greater than the risk of injury to a QB, the ramifications of losing your starting QB to injury are far greater than if you were to lose your starting RB.

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Coming in as the 4th highest paid running back, the only way you get value really is best in the league or really far and away the best in the league.
And that's exactly what Barkley was as a rookie, far and away the best in the league (just ask any defensive coordinator who had to gameplan against him in 2018). The only RBs that comes close are McCaffrey and Kamara, mainly because those two are also much more than simply a RB.
So what metrics say he was the best running back and/or receiver?  
NoGainDayne : 8/18/2021 4:57 pm : link
in all pass catchers Barkley was 125 in Y/A at 7.9 here and the 15th ranked RB here is the list for 2018:

Tarik Cohen 10.2
Todd Gurley 9.8
Melvin Gordon 9.8
Duke Johnson 9.1
James Conner 9
Kenyan Drake 9
Jalen Richard 8.9
T.J. Yeldon 8.9
David Johnson 8.9
Alvin Kamara 8.8
James White 8.6
Tevin Coleman 8.6
Christian McCaffrey 8.1
Jacquizz Rodgers 8
Saquon Barkley 7.9

and here it the list of Y / A where he ranks 9th

Aaron Jones 5.5
Phillip Lindsay 5.4
Kerryon Johnson 5.4
Matt Breida 5.3
Nick Chubb 5.2
Gus Edwards 5.2
Austin Ekeler 5.2
Melvin Gordon 5.1
Saquon Barkley 5
Christian McCaffrey 5

If you rank 125th in yards per catch you are not exactly screaming receiving weapon there worthy of burning through a #2 pick.

And let's remember this was his best year he didn't live up to his stature as the 4th highest paid player at his position.

A lot of people like to talk about him as if he is far and away the best player and his talent is tantalizing but the production has not been there at all to justify his draft status and it was just not a good decision then or now to draft him.
Barkley as a receiver  
trueblueinpw : 8/18/2021 7:45 pm : link
I think many Giants fans vastly over value Barkley as a receiver. He isn’t a particularly gifted route runner. And I think that teams neutralize Saquon in the passing game, especially with obvious passing downs by blitzing and forcing him to pass pro. And we all agree that Barks is minus in pass pro. So, I’m not sure Saquon is the plus player in the passing game that so many of us fans seem to think. None of which is to say he can’t score every time the Giants do manage to get him the ball, Saquon is always a threat to score. And if we throw in the poor offensive line play and the lack of blocking by our TEs and the Jason Garrett no motion offense in the hands of slow processing Jones, well, it might just mean that our offense is going to stay in the basement with or without Saquon.
RE: Barkley as a receiver  
bw in dc : 8/18/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15334441 trueblueinpw said:
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I think many Giants fans vastly over value Barkley as a receiver. He isn’t a particularly gifted route runner. And I think that teams neutralize Saquon in the passing game, especially with obvious passing downs by blitzing and forcing him to pass pro. And we all agree that Barks is minus in pass pro. So, I’m not sure Saquon is the plus player in the passing game that so many of us fans seem to think. None of which is to say he can’t score every time the Giants do manage to get him the ball, Saquon is always a threat to score. And if we throw in the poor offensive line play and the lack of blocking by our TEs and the Jason Garrett no motion offense in the hands of slow processing Jones, well, it might just mean that our offense is going to stay in the basement with or without Saquon.


I actually go the other way. I like Barkley better as a receiver than a RB. He's pretty damn good in space and should have no problem beating every LB in the league on swing, drags or dig routes. I would try to get him the ball in pass plays 5-10 pays per game.

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