This is not an anti Jones thread, rather an opportunity to upgrade the backup QB position. Daniel Jones has missed two games in each of the last two seasons due to injury. His playing style leads to more concern for injury, and that just increases with the concern of the OL. Minshew could slide in for a few games if needed and the team could still compete. It also strengthens the QB room. I would definitely consider him an upgrade over Glennon.
The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?
He is sighed for the next two years.
Even if Jones is the only QB on the roster, there's going to be plenty of controversy if he plays poorly.
I agree and that’s why the Giants won’t do it this year. Next year, maybe.
Beathard is a better option for the backup role. I think there will be several options in a couple of weeks but the Giants would have to carry 3 QBs for a while.
That's a bad reason not to make the team better. Whatever your stance on Jones, you can't hesitate to improve the backup position because it might threaten him. It's on every starter to beat the guys behind him to remain atop the depth chart.
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First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.
I agree and that’s why the Giants won’t do it this year. Next year, maybe.
Beathard is a better option for the backup role. I think there will be several options in a couple of weeks but the Giants would have to carry 3 QBs for a while.
There is nothing wrong with a little controversy, I do want to win football games, and having someone over your shoulder is a good thing.
Every other position has competition why should QB be different?
With that said I don't think Minshew would beat out Jones and I would take him for a 5th round pick.
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The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?
He is sighed for the next two years.
True, they don’t need to trade him. But assuming they entertain offers I think he could be had for a mid round pick.
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The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?
He is sighed for the next two years.
True, they don’t need to trade him. But assuming they entertain offers I think he could be had for a mid round pick.
Let's play the logic game. If Minshew hits FA we know QBs sign for a lot so the comp pick should he no worse than a 6th or even higher. Lets say he nets Jax a 5th. Why the fuck would Jax trade Minshew now when they have 2 years of a cheap ass backup and could probably get a 5th round comp pick when his contract is up? It literally makes no sense to me and I am confused why people think it is a foregone conclusion Jax needs to trade him now.
2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...
No shot he goes that cheap though so it doesn’t really matter. I wouldnt give them a 2nd and likely not even a 3rd since we can use that to
Move up in the draft next year and take someone better.
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.
2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...
If you are talking about what we should give up sure, but the Jags aren't trading him unless they get at least a third and some. He's worth way more than his contract for the next two years. He's the type of guy that will get a decent contract in FA for either a backup role or spot starter.
So instead of having competition for positions in the NFL, you'd recommend a starter whose position is safe, and clearly inferior backups?
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.
2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...
If you are talking about what we should give up sure, but the Jags aren't trading him unless they get at least a third and some. He's worth way more than his contract for the next two years. He's the type of guy that will get a decent contract in FA for either a backup role or spot starter.
Agreed. But any more than I suggested and then it becomes a walk away scenario imv...
As an insurance policy against Jones sucking? No thanks. If Jones stinks or is mediocre it's time to shift gears towards acquiring another franchise QB prospect. In that case a few more meaningless regular season wins with another QB who ain't "it" is only hurting the cause.
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.
2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...
If you are talking about what we should give up sure, but the Jags aren't trading him unless they get at least a third and some. He's worth way more than his contract for the next two years. He's the type of guy that will get a decent contract in FA for either a backup role or spot starter.
The Jags have absolutely no reason to trade him unless some team gets stupid. He is young, has shown he can be successful, and is cheaper than most backups.
not that I like Cowherd or anything but his his whole Baker Mayfield schtick is funny.
You'll have to add another pick for his wardrobe.
Maybe they would trade him for a 2nd. But I wouldn’t be buying at that price point.
Agreed. Give em the Bears 4th rounder.
No shot he goes that cheap though so it doesn’t really matter. I wouldnt give them a 2nd and likely not even a 3rd since we can use that to
Move up in the draft next year and take someone better.
If you look back at last year, the Giants missed the tournament by a game. And with the season in the balance they started McCoy and a hobbled Jones in critical losses.
With an extra game this year, Jones missing time each year, Covid, and the quality of the division — it’s worth it no?
It's sort of crazy that the bidding above started at like a 5th or 6th pick.
From a value standpoint alone, Jax gets little to nothing for trading him for worse than a 3rd. He's cheap - he's under contract and he has experience if Lawrence gets hurt.
Jax has all the leverage this year.
"The Jaguars are likely looking for adequate compensation in any trade deal. Perhaps receiving a fifth-round pick could draw the Jaguars' interest to pull the trigger on a trade involving Minshew, who was a sixth-round pick out of Washington State in 2019. The Jaguars have remained mum on providing details on any potential trade discussions.
It also can't be ruled out the possibility the Jaguars could stick with Minshew. But it's unlikely they would keep four quarterbacks, the total they have now, on the 53-man roster for the regular season. "
Gardner Minshew plans to fight on Jacksonville quarterback job - ( New Window )
Exactly. I doubt they'd even sign him off the street.
Forgot to add it depends on who they feel better with in case of injury. Honestly I have no clue how either are doing nor really care because either one I’m disappointed just because I’m looking forward to seeing the kid play
This is what I see as well - there's a lot of value to having guaranteed 'average/slightly below average'. I'd trade a fifth or maybe even a fourth for him if I were the Giants.
With that said, Jones' ceiling is much higher and he would need to start. I can't imagine Minshew only fetching a fourth, so I can't see this happening.
Agreed..Getting sleep by now?