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Would you trade a mid round draft pick for Gardner Minshew?

Sean : 8/20/2021 12:35 pm
This is not an anti Jones thread, rather an opportunity to upgrade the backup QB position. Daniel Jones has missed two games in each of the last two seasons due to injury. His playing style leads to more concern for injury, and that just increases with the concern of the OL. Minshew could slide in for a few games if needed and the team could still compete. It also strengthens the QB room. I would definitely consider him an upgrade over Glennon.

The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?
i'd trade a pick  
djm : 8/20/2021 12:38 pm : link
for the mustache alone.
Minshew  
Maggot Brain : 8/20/2021 12:41 pm : link
is not the guy I'd want. Give me Beathard...hopefully after he's released.
Yes  
CMicks3110 : 8/20/2021 12:44 pm : link
I would do it for a 5th rounder. I think it will take a 4th though.
If we get Minshew  
Jersey Heel : 8/20/2021 12:45 pm : link
First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.
Huh? Says who?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2021 12:49 pm : link
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The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?



He is sighed for the next two years.
RE: If we get Minshew  
Mad Mike : 8/20/2021 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15336026 Jersey Heel said:
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First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.

Even if Jones is the only QB on the roster, there's going to be plenty of controversy if he plays poorly.
RE: If we get Minshew  
Ivan15 : 8/20/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15336026 Jersey Heel said:
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First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.

I agree and that’s why the Giants won’t do it this year. Next year, maybe.
Beathard is a better option for the backup role. I think there will be several options in a couple of weeks but the Giants would have to carry 3 QBs for a while.
Yes  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2021 12:54 pm : link
I love minshew but much of that is because I like the character. He’d be a lot of fun to root for.
Absolutely  
Go Terps : 8/20/2021 12:55 pm : link
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RE: If we get Minshew  
Go Terps : 8/20/2021 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15336026 Jersey Heel said:
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First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.


That's a bad reason not to make the team better. Whatever your stance on Jones, you can't hesitate to improve the backup position because it might threaten him. It's on every starter to beat the guys behind him to remain atop the depth chart.
Only if  
Pepe LePugh : 8/20/2021 12:58 pm : link
He can play IOL.
RE: RE: If we get Minshew  
larryflower37 : 8/20/2021 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15336040 Ivan15 said:
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First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.


I agree and that’s why the Giants won’t do it this year. Next year, maybe.
Beathard is a better option for the backup role. I think there will be several options in a couple of weeks but the Giants would have to carry 3 QBs for a while.


There is nothing wrong with a little controversy, I do want to win football games, and having someone over your shoulder is a good thing.
Every other position has competition why should QB be different?
With that said I don't think Minshew would beat out Jones and I would take him for a 5th round pick.
RE: Huh? Says who?  
Sean : 8/20/2021 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15336036 robbieballs2003 said:
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The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?




He is sighed for the next two years.

True, they don’t need to trade him. But assuming they entertain offers I think he could be had for a mid round pick.
.  
Scooter185 : 8/20/2021 1:00 pm : link
100%
Yes  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2021 1:00 pm : link
Possibly even a little more than a 5th rounder. Wouldn’t think twice...
RE: RE: Huh? Says who?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2021 1:02 pm : link
In comment 15336058 Sean said:
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The Jags don’t have any leverage here, they are going to trade him most likely. If the cost is a 5th rounder, would you do it?




He is sighed for the next two years.


True, they don’t need to trade him. But assuming they entertain offers I think he could be had for a mid round pick.


Let's play the logic game. If Minshew hits FA we know QBs sign for a lot so the comp pick should he no worse than a 6th or even higher. Lets say he nets Jax a 5th. Why the fuck would Jax trade Minshew now when they have 2 years of a cheap ass backup and could probably get a 5th round comp pick when his contract is up? It literally makes no sense to me and I am confused why people think it is a foregone conclusion Jax needs to trade him now.
The floor on Minshew is a third, and I doubt the Jags trade him  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/20/2021 1:04 pm : link
for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.
RE: The floor on Minshew is a third, and I doubt the Jags trade him  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15336066 Zeke's Alibi said:
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.


2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...
No  
George from PA : 8/20/2021 1:14 pm : link
Hoyer for free is a better option
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/20/2021 1:16 pm : link
Yes.
QB controversy only exists  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2021 1:16 pm : link
if the starter sucks. If Jones plays well no one will call for Minshew or whoever the backup is. And with this being his prove it year, it’s put up time.

No shot he goes that cheap though so it doesn’t really matter. I wouldnt give them a 2nd and likely not even a 3rd since we can use that to
Move up in the draft next year and take someone better.
RE: RE: The floor on Minshew is a third, and I doubt the Jags trade him  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/20/2021 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15336071 Jimmy Googs said:
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.



2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...


If you are talking about what we should give up sure, but the Jags aren't trading him unless they get at least a third and some. He's worth way more than his contract for the next two years. He's the type of guy that will get a decent contract in FA for either a backup role or spot starter.
RE: If we get Minshew  
Mike from Ohio : 8/20/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15336026 Jersey Heel said:
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First time Jones sucks, we’re going to have a quarterback controversy.


So instead of having competition for positions in the NFL, you'd recommend a starter whose position is safe, and clearly inferior backups?
RE: RE: RE: The floor on Minshew is a third, and I doubt the Jags trade him  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15336077 Zeke's Alibi said:
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.



2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...



If you are talking about what we should give up sure, but the Jags aren't trading him unless they get at least a third and some. He's worth way more than his contract for the next two years. He's the type of guy that will get a decent contract in FA for either a backup role or spot starter.


Agreed. But any more than I suggested and then it becomes a walk away scenario imv...
No  
arniefez : 8/20/2021 1:32 pm : link
I'd trade a 2022 5, 6 or 7. He's a backup nothing more.
I'd be against getting Minshew  
widmerseyebrow : 8/20/2021 1:34 pm : link
unless someone views him as a guy who could someday lead a Super Bowl contender.

As an insurance policy against Jones sucking? No thanks. If Jones stinks or is mediocre it's time to shift gears towards acquiring another franchise QB prospect. In that case a few more meaningless regular season wins with another QB who ain't "it" is only hurting the cause.
RE: RE: RE: The floor on Minshew is a third, and I doubt the Jags trade him  
k2tampa : 8/20/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15336077 Zeke's Alibi said:
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for less than a 2nd, unless he becomes a pain in the ass if Lawrence stinks up the joint.



2nd is too high. 4th in 2022 or maybe a third in 2023...



If you are talking about what we should give up sure, but the Jags aren't trading him unless they get at least a third and some. He's worth way more than his contract for the next two years. He's the type of guy that will get a decent contract in FA for either a backup role or spot starter.


The Jags have absolutely no reason to trade him unless some team gets stupid. He is young, has shown he can be successful, and is cheaper than most backups.
this is what Colin Cowherd has been on about lately in re: Mayfield  
OdellBeckhamJr : 8/20/2021 1:41 pm : link


not that I like Cowherd or anything but his his whole Baker Mayfield schtick is funny.
yes  
mpinmaine : 8/20/2021 2:04 pm : link
3 rd round as well
RE: i'd trade a pick  
Section331 : 8/20/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15336014 djm said:
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for the mustache alone.


You'll have to add another pick for his wardrobe.
I would trade for Minshew in a heartbeat.  
Section331 : 8/20/2021 2:12 pm : link
He is weirdly overlooked for some reason. I'm sorry, but if Jones can't handle the competition, than he's not the guy many hope he'll be. I'd trade 4th rounder, but I'm not sure JAX is that willing to give him up.
Absolutely. But why would Jax trade him?  
rasbutant : 8/20/2021 2:15 pm : link
He is got to be worth at least a 3rd. And if you think about it this way…If he was on another team that was trading him for a 3rd. Jax would probably be one of the teams interested in trading for him.

Maybe they would trade him for a 2nd. But I wouldn’t be buying at that price point.
RE: Yes  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/20/2021 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15336060 Jimmy Googs said:
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Possibly even a little more than a 5th rounder. Wouldn’t think twice...


Agreed. Give em the Bears 4th rounder.

No  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/20/2021 4:04 pm : link
No
RE: QB controversy only exists  
christian : 8/20/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15336075 UConn4523 said:
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if the starter sucks. If Jones plays well no one will call for Minshew or whoever the backup is. And with this being his prove it year, it’s put up time.

No shot he goes that cheap though so it doesn’t really matter. I wouldnt give them a 2nd and likely not even a 3rd since we can use that to
Move up in the draft next year and take someone better.


If you look back at last year, the Giants missed the tournament by a game. And with the season in the balance they started McCoy and a hobbled Jones in critical losses.

With an extra game this year, Jones missing time each year, Covid, and the quality of the division — it’s worth it no?
Minshew is worth at least a 2nd  
cosmicj : 8/20/2021 4:48 pm : link
You guys are underestimating the value of a competent QB. And Minshew is young. He surely will continue to develop.
Danny will be fine  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/20/2021 4:48 pm : link
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stop trading picks  
uconngiant : 8/20/2021 5:24 pm : link
What are you the GM who trades picks away. Just stop.

RE: Minshew is worth at least a 2nd  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2021 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15336369 cosmicj said:
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You guys are underestimating the value of a competent QB. And Minshew is young. He surely will continue to develop.


It's sort of crazy that the bidding above started at like a 5th or 6th pick.

From a value standpoint alone, Jax gets little to nothing for trading him for worse than a 3rd. He's cheap - he's under contract and he has experience if Lawrence gets hurt.

Jax has all the leverage this year.
possible Minshew trade  
wahl35 : 8/20/2021 6:19 pm : link
There has been chatter since early summer about Minshew being traded. Idle gossip/rumor from reporters? Maybe. Here's an excerpt from a Florida Times-Union article 2 weeks ago ...

"The Jaguars are likely looking for adequate compensation in any trade deal. Perhaps receiving a fifth-round pick could draw the Jaguars' interest to pull the trigger on a trade involving Minshew, who was a sixth-round pick out of Washington State in 2019. The Jaguars have remained mum on providing details on any potential trade discussions.

It also can't be ruled out the possibility the Jaguars could stick with Minshew. But it's unlikely they would keep four quarterbacks, the total they have now, on the 53-man roster for the regular season. "
Gardner Minshew plans to fight on Jacksonville quarterback job - ( New Window )
5th round pick is a no brainer  
Go Terps : 8/20/2021 6:21 pm : link
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If we traded for Minshew...  
bw in dc : 8/20/2021 6:32 pm : link
why would we use him as a back-up?
RE: If we traded for Minshew...  
Go Terps : 8/20/2021 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15336442 bw in dc said:
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why would we use him as a back-up?


Exactly. I doubt they'd even sign him off the street.
No thanks  
DannyDimes : 8/20/2021 9:48 pm : link
Count me out....
Minshew move….  
thrunthrublue : 8/21/2021 1:52 am : link
Means, go all out hoping da bears go winless, clean house of both journeymen qb’s, minshew and jones, draft a qb and monster edge….it’s onto 2022…..
Why would they?  
eli4life : 8/21/2021 3:20 am : link
He’s super cheap and there is zero point zero chance of any kind of qb controversy
RE: Why would they?  
eli4life : 8/21/2021 3:26 am : link
In comment 15336687 eli4life said:
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He’s super cheap and there is zero point zero chance of any kind of qb controversy


Forgot to add it depends on who they feel better with in case of injury. Honestly I have no clue how either are doing nor really care because either one I’m disappointed just because I’m looking forward to seeing the kid play
I would feel more comfortable  
Beer Man : 8/21/2021 9:41 am : link
having Minshew backup Jones than with any of the backup QBs currently on the roster. Not sure Minshew sees himself as a backup though.
For a fifth rounder, sure  
illmatic : 8/21/2021 9:49 am : link
He’s good enough that he gives you a chance at winning a game or two if Jones goes down for multiple games. I also don’t think he’s so good that people would be calling for him as the starter unless Jones fell flat on his face. He’s a perfect backup type.
Minshew to my eye  
JonC : 8/21/2021 9:54 am : link
is an effective QB until the rest of the NFL figures out how to stop him. With his physical limitations I think he's an average starter at best.
RE: Minshew to my eye  
BrettNYG10 : 8/21/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15336755 JonC said:
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is an effective QB until the rest of the NFL figures out how to stop him. With his physical limitations I think he's an average starter at best.


This is what I see as well - there's a lot of value to having guaranteed 'average/slightly below average'. I'd trade a fifth or maybe even a fourth for him if I were the Giants.

With that said, Jones' ceiling is much higher and he would need to start. I can't imagine Minshew only fetching a fourth, so I can't see this happening.
RE: Minshew to my eye  
Big Blue '56 : 8/21/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15336755 JonC said:
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is an effective QB until the rest of the NFL figures out how to stop him. With his physical limitations I think he's an average starter at best.


Agreed..Getting sleep by now?
Probably  
WillVAB : 8/21/2021 8:49 pm : link
Jones is made of glass and the current backups are dogshit.
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